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wizzyrea |
eythian: are there any problems with adding a dependency for Math::Random::Secure - I'm looking at bug 8753 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
01:13 |
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wizzyrea |
(for the packages) |
01:13 |
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wizzyrea |
(at your leisure, of course) |
01:13 |
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eythian |
hmm, have a look at how the salt is generated in Koha::Auth |
01:13 |
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eythian |
that might have a way of doing what you need. |
01:13 |
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wizzyrea |
that is an excellent point |
01:17 |
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eythian |
if that isn't feasible, then we can add it, though it'd have to be packaged. |
01:17 |
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eythian |
I don't see any reason why it'd be hard to package though |
01:17 |
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wizzyrea |
right, I couldn't find a package for it I assumed it'd have to be packaged |
01:17 |
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wizzyrea |
(by us) |
01:18 |
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wizzyrea |
I think it's a bit silly to add one when we might have a thing to do it already. |
01:18 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's what I was thinking |
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01:19 |
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mtj |
hey wizzyrea, eythian.. offtopic Q here.. |
01:19 |
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mtj |
have y'all ever tethered your laptops to an android fone? |
01:19 |
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wizzyrea |
sure |
01:19 |
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eythian |
yeah |
01:20 |
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mtj |
..via usb cable? |
01:20 |
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eythian |
yeah |
01:20 |
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wizzyrea |
not me no, I usually set up a secure access point on my phone and just use wifi. |
01:20 |
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eythian |
I've done the USB thing a fair bit |
01:20 |
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wizzyrea |
(lollipop has this feature, I think) |
01:21 |
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eythian |
it's had it going back forever |
01:21 |
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mtj |
sweet, ive been meaning to attempt it for a while |
01:21 |
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eythian |
I think froyo had it |
01:21 |
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wizzyrea |
I meant the portable hotspot feature |
01:21 |
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mtj |
i've only got a kitkat fone... |
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eythian |
that's definitely been around for ages too |
01:22 |
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eythian |
mtj: that's why I'm saying they're really old features. |
01:22 |
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wizzyrea |
then I am sure that my crappy samsung didn't enable it |
01:22 |
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Francesca |
oh mtj what phone do you have? |
01:23 |
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wizzyrea |
because I don't remember seeing it until I had stock :( |
01:23 |
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mtj |
Francesca: ...erm, a ... hum.. elephone p8 -> http://www.devicespecification[…]en/model/7c862b54 |
01:24 |
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wizzyrea |
(that's more an indictment of my choice of phone) |
01:24 |
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eythian |
it may have been restricted for some reason, perhaps hardware couldn't do it. But I remember once being surprised to find iphones couldn't do it, so that was a while ago. |
01:24 |
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wizzyrea |
iphones could almost certainly do it, just apple didn't want you to :P |
01:24 |
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Francesca |
if you have a look under network settings there might be an option for portable hotpost/ usb tethering |
01:25 |
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wizzyrea |
well and in the US, ATT didn't want you to. |
01:25 |
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eythian |
ah yeah, the carriers here don't care |
01:25 |
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wizzyrea |
^ assholes, ATT |
01:26 |
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dcook |
Hmm don't know if I've heard of the usb tethering.. |
01:26 |
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mtj |
Francesca: , yep i see the option , ta |
01:26 |
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wizzyrea |
actually, this is probably why my phone(s) were missing the feature. |
01:27 |
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Francesca |
dcook: my old little s3 had a tethering option |
01:27 |
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dcook |
I've used the wifi hotspot but not sure about the usb.. |
01:27 |
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dcook |
Yep. Looks like it does. |
01:27 |
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dcook |
I've never done it, but that's neat. |
01:27 |
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dcook |
Wifi, usb, bluetooth |
01:27 |
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mtj |
i guess you can charge your phone via the usb, and just tether it via wifi too |
01:27 |
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dcook |
Good memory, Francesca |
01:28 |
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Francesca |
hahaha I only just replaced my s3 with an s5 so it was quite easy |
01:28 |
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Francesca |
also you can usually find these things if you go poking around in the settings |
01:28 |
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dcook |
^ |
01:28 |
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mtj |
..so tether via usb or wifi really makes no difference |
01:28 |
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dcook |
Poke all the settings! |
01:28 |
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Francesca |
lol |
01:29 |
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dcook |
mtj: Dunno. I guess if it's using USB, the computer might need a driver for it? |
01:30 |
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dcook |
Whereas if it's Wifi, then it ain't no thing |
01:30 |
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mtj |
no difference, in that, if you have internet, you have internet |
01:31 |
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dcook |
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61670858.jpg |
01:31 |
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Francesca |
awwww kitty |
01:32 |
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dcook |
mtj: I'd assume so. |
01:36 |
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eythian |
dcook: no, it's just ethernet over USB, no drivers needed. |
01:36 |
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eythian |
but the most useful thing is that it can charge at the same time. |
01:36 |
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wizzyrea |
^ that is a useful thing |
01:36 |
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eythian |
(assuming you don't have something else to plug it into while it does wifi) |
01:36 |
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wizzyrea |
like a computer? |
01:37 |
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wizzyrea |
>.> |
01:37 |
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wizzyrea |
<.< |
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Francesca |
wahanui cats |
01:37 |
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wahanui |
cats are endlessly entertaining. or cuddly and cute |
01:37 |
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eythian |
well, like sticking it on a table near a plug :) |
01:37 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
01:38 |
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eythian |
https://www.facebook.com/iScot[…]10207706696650031 <-- wizzyrea |
01:41 |
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wizzyrea |
Yes, all of that. |
01:46 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian++ good suggestion for the "there might be a thing to do that already" suggestion |
01:47 |
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dcook |
eythian: cool beans :) |
01:49 |
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wizzyrea |
it's ok for C4 modules to reference stuff in the Koha namespace right? just not the other way around? |
01:50 |
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eythian |
yeah |
01:53 |
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wizzyrea |
kewl |
01:54 |
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wizzyrea |
hrm, I don't think we would want to give away that "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " when resetting a password eh |
01:55 |
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eythian |
what's the scenario? |
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wahanui |
i heard the scenario was a problematic patch across versions. |
01:55 |
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wizzyrea |
to reset your password via email |
01:55 |
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wizzyrea |
you are asked to provide your username and email address |
01:55 |
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wizzyrea |
it then sends you a mail |
01:55 |
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eythian |
hmm |
01:55 |
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eythian |
I think it's OK, neither are secrets |
01:55 |
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wizzyrea |
if you provide only a valid username, it says "hey, the email you gave isn't associated with this account" |
01:55 |
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wizzyrea |
I feel like that's an invitation to bruteforcing though? |
01:56 |
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eythian |
also if you haven't used it for a long time, you might not know your registered email. |
01:56 |
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eythian |
well, then we should have brute forcing protection. |
01:56 |
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wizzyrea |
well, it won't let you do it without both |
01:56 |
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wizzyrea |
I think that's reasonable-ish |
01:56 |
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eythian |
right, but you have 5 emails and you don't know which one it is, how will you know if it worked? |
01:56 |
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wizzyrea |
you'll get an email :P |
01:56 |
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wizzyrea |
it will let you in, for one |
01:56 |
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wizzyrea |
you'll get an email, for 2 |
01:57 |
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eythian |
OK, how will you know it was the wrong email? |
01:57 |
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eythian |
wait, it lets you straight in? |
01:57 |
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eythian |
that seems bad |
01:57 |
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wizzyrea |
no no |
01:57 |
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wizzyrea |
it sends the email if you provide correct email and user |
01:57 |
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wizzyrea |
and then you click the link |
01:57 |
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wizzyrea |
just like most web services |
01:58 |
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dcook |
No one seems to ever say "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " |
01:58 |
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eythian |
well, many things just have you put your email in |
01:58 |
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eythian |
because emails must be unique for them, but probably not for us |
01:58 |
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wizzyrea |
right, ^ that |
01:58 |
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dcook |
Ahh right |
01:58 |
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wizzyrea |
we have to have the combo because more than one user could have the same email |
01:58 |
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wizzyrea |
families, for instance |
01:58 |
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wizzyrea |
where the kids have the parental email address |
01:59 |
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wizzyrea |
in this case, you'd want to be sure you got the right user |
01:59 |
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wizzyrea |
so yeah I think we do need both. |
01:59 |
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wizzyrea |
and if you don't have both, you visit the library |
01:59 |
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wizzyrea |
and let them do it |
01:59 |
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dcook |
Wait, what's a username? |
01:59 |
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dcook |
The userid? |
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wahanui |
the userid is the OPAC login. Also the staff login if it's a staff account. |
02:00 |
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wizzyrea |
unlike many websites, we do generally have a physical presence |
02:00 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, userid/login name |
02:00 |
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wizzyrea |
not cardnumber |
02:00 |
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wizzyrea |
not borrowernumber |
02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
I think I like this message better: " |
02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
No account was found with the provided information. |
02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
Check if you typed it correctly. |
02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
" |
02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
which is what you get if you provide an invalid userid, but a valid email |
02:02 |
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eythian |
yeah |
02:02 |
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eythian |
in that case, that's fine |
02:02 |
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eythian |
so they know to not expect an email. |
02:03 |
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wizzyrea |
the bank, for example, won't tell you which of your username or password was wrong, if you do it wrong |
02:03 |
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eythian |
but that's a password |
02:03 |
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eythian |
that's a secret |
02:04 |
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eythian |
I suppose revealing the existance of a userid is not an ideal thing |
02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
that's kind of my point, that's not exactly secret, but it might feel private? |
02:05 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I don't like telling someone that there's no account |
02:05 |
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dcook |
The existence of an account is a secret I think |
02:05 |
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eythian |
yeah, fair enough |
02:05 |
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dcook |
You know someone's email address and you don't have access to it, but you can find out they have an account there |
02:05 |
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eythian |
I hadn't looked from that direction |
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dcook |
Then you intimidate someone who works there into giving you info |
02:06 |
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mtj |
so.. anyone about that has any experience with Koha and ICU? |
02:06 |
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wizzyrea |
^ this is a pretty plausible scenario, I think |
02:06 |
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dcook |
mtj: *twitches* |
02:06 |
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dcook |
mtj: Yes, although I'm not sure how much time I have to speak about it. What's up? |
02:07 |
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wizzyrea |
right I think I'll change the message to be consistent no matter how you mess up |
02:08 |
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mtj |
dcook: i'm poking at a koha with mostly korean bibs, with "not great" search results |
02:09 |
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dcook |
"not great"? |
02:09 |
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mtj |
..it currently has ICU support off - im experiemnting with enabling ICU to improve search results |
02:09 |
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dcook |
Ahh |
02:09 |
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dcook |
Yeah, yeah I suspect it would |
02:09 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: I'd use existing services as an example. I think Twitter's is quite good. |
02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* I've already made some changes to make it more like existing service |
02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
you know what twitter does |
02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
now |
02:10 |
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dcook |
Hmm.. |
02:10 |
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eythian |
https://twitter.com/WgtnCC/sta[…]51573919393013760 <-- ahahah oh dear, someone didn't quite inform them of what things mean |
02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
they will detect you faffing about trying to log in |
02:10 |
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dcook |
Twitter has actually changed theirs...I think it's worse now |
02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
and send you an email with a link "Log in now" |
02:11 |
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mtj |
dcook, have you tweaked ICU for certain lanuages, or other? |
02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
ok please explain that, because I see everyone snerking but clearly there is some essential something I am missing |
02:11 |
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dcook |
mtj: I think I tweaked ICU for Arabic a while back |
02:11 |
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dcook |
Using Karam's example |
02:11 |
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dcook |
But I had a librarian who spoke English and Arabic to guide me |
02:12 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: erm, use urban dictionary or something |
02:12 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: It took me a minute to check |
02:12 |
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dcook |
Yes, urban dictionary |
02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
oh dear. |
02:12 |
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dcook |
It is the best for these situations |
02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
oh no. |
02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
lol. |
02:12 |
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dcook |
If I've learned anything in the past few years, it's never do anything publicly (well, I guess I'm not following my advice right now) and never ever ever be in charge of public PR |
02:12 |
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mtj |
dcook: ok, thanks for the info |
02:12 |
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dcook |
Because you'll always get it wrong |
02:13 |
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dcook |
mtj: No worries |
02:13 |
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wizzyrea |
there is no way to fix that. |
02:13 |
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dcook |
mtj: If you use yaz-client to troubleshoot it, that'll help |
02:13 |
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dcook |
Admittedly, most of my ICU knowledge is around the tokenization and normalization due to that Zebra 2.0.59 bug.. |
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wizzyrea |
I have added something additional to my list of politically incorrect things that are giggleworthy but must never be used. |
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dcook |
mtj: You might also find some files out in the wild for Korean |
02:14 |
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dcook |
By the wild, I mean the interwebs |
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tcohen |
hi |
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dcook |
yo tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi dcook |
02:25 |
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dcook |
how're things? |
02:28 |
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eythian |
tcohen: did you get my email ages ago about that second build server? |
02:28 |
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tcohen |
eythian: yes, thanks. I assumed you got a later from me |
02:28 |
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mtj |
hi tcohen.. thanks for tidying up my 'koha::cache holidays' patch, very appreciated! |
02:28 |
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tcohen |
but it is up, set and running |
02:29 |
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eythian |
sweet, I didn't remember seeing a reply. I may have slept since then though. |
02:30 |
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mtj |
hey dcook: do you remember how to define a ICU 'locale' ? |
02:30 |
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tcohen |
mtj: no worries |
02:30 |
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mtj |
Karam's guide mentions an 'ar' locale.. but i cant see where it is set? |
02:31 |
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dcook |
Mmm I'm not sure the locale is actually used but let me check |
02:32 |
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mtj |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records |
02:33 |
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mtj |
..it seems one would add a 'ko' block to the words-icu.xml, to enable korean |
02:33 |
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dcook |
Looks like |
02:34 |
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mtj |
but then.. how does one tell zebra/koha to *use* that 'ko' block? |
02:34 |
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dcook |
I know, right? |
02:34 |
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dcook |
No idea |
02:34 |
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mtj |
does it just happen automagically? |
02:34 |
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dcook |
I was just thinking about that |
02:34 |
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dcook |
It'll just use it |
02:34 |
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dcook |
But I wonder how you'd specify multiple different ones.. |
02:37 |
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mtj |
perhaps zebra auto-detects korean characters... and.. uses that definition? |
02:37 |
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* mtj |
makes up some stuff.. |
02:37 |
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dcook |
I think that would be giving it too much credit |
02:37 |
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mtj |
http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/ko-KR/ |
02:37 |
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Francesca |
massey uni has had a threat |
02:37 |
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dcook |
Also your friend: http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale |
02:37 |
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Francesca |
3rd uni in 2 days |
02:37 |
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mtj |
http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale |
02:37 |
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mtj |
ah, snap ^ |
02:37 |
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dcook |
hehe |
02:38 |
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dcook |
Looks like it might use the locale for stemming... https://github.com/nla/yaz/blo[…]ter/src/stemmer.c |
02:38 |
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dcook |
You could go through the yaz files to find an answer |
02:39 |
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* dcook |
recalls doing that once... |
02:39 |
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dcook |
You could also email Adam. He's been pretty responsive to emails from Koha folk I think |
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pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "may or may not be useful" (273 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/95 |
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dcook |
The demo site is fun for playing |
02:44 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I don't think there is a way to indicate the locale |
02:45 |
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dcook |
mtj: You're referring to the icu_chain.xml in default.idx |
02:45 |
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dcook |
So Zebra knows to use that icu_chain |
02:45 |
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dcook |
I think it then uses the icu_chain locale attribute for the stemmer |
02:45 |
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dcook |
Just like we use locale attributes in C4::Search for the stemmer |
02:45 |
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dcook |
locale values.. |
02:45 |
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dcook |
* |
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dcook |
Wish I knew more... |
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dcook |
That moment when you're going to ghost a nick and then it quits... |
02:50 |
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mtj |
yep, zebra knows to use 'icuchain words-icu.xml'.. |
02:50 |
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dcook |
And I assume you can only provide one icu_chain within that file |
02:50 |
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dcook |
So it'll just use whatever attribute you have in there |
02:51 |
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mtj |
but, it seems word-icu.xml can have multiple locale='xx' defintions |
02:51 |
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dcook |
"The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." |
02:52 |
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dcook |
or rather.. |
02:52 |
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dcook |
"The toplevel element must be named icu_chain. The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-icu.html |
02:53 |
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dcook |
Don't think you can duplicate attributes in XML |
02:55 |
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mtj |
hmm, ok - thats makes sense |
02:56 |
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mtj |
i was a bit confused by Karam's statement.. |
02:56 |
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mtj |
"(note that searching for other locales will still work even if you have your locale set to ar) |
02:56 |
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mtj |
" |
02:58 |
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mtj |
..and was imaginng a words-icu.xml file, with many defs.. |
02:58 |
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mtj |
<icu_chain locale="ko"> ... </icu_chain> |
02:58 |
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mtj |
<icu_chain locale="ar"> ... </icu_chain> |
02:58 |
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mtj |
..so that clears that up , thanks :) |
03:00 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I originally thought that maybe you could have multiple icu_chain elements, but I don't think so |
03:00 |
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dcook |
I think Karam meant that you can search using other languages |
03:00 |
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dcook |
You'd have to double-check yaz and zebra sourcecode to know exactly where that locale gets used I think |
03:01 |
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dcook |
I think the stemmer is one place |
03:01 |
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dcook |
In theory, I think ICU is supposed to be set up in a way where you could alternate locales easily (like on an operating system) |
03:01 |
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dcook |
But I'm not sure how well it would work in this case... which is probably why they only allow you to specify one |
03:01 |
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dcook |
Because a record doesn't really have a locale... |
03:02 |
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dcook |
A record can contain any number of languages |
03:02 |
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* dcook |
doesn't envy the Indexdata folk |
03:02 |
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dcook |
Seems like it's a tough pickle |
03:15 |
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mtj |
yeah, its a scary problem |
03:16 |
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mtj |
everywhere on the net, people seem to generally be saying 'run away!' |
03:19 |
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eythian |
records do have a language tag I think |
03:19 |
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eythian |
s/do/can/ |
03:21 |
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dcook |
eythian: good point |
03:21 |
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wahanui |
I know! The blade went right through that child! |
03:21 |
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dcook |
... |
03:22 |
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dcook |
eythian: "mul - Multiple languages" |
03:22 |
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eythian |
yeah |
03:22 |
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dcook |
"sgn - Sign languages" |
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dcook |
I didn't know about that one |
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eythian |
it's MARC, it's not a perfect system. |
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eythian |
what |
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eythian |
how can you have a record in sign? |
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dcook |
ikr? |
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eythian |
are you sure you're not looking at the language of the content rather than the metadata? |
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dcook |
Oh, almost certainly the language of the content |
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dcook |
I can't think of a language for the metadata... |
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dcook |
But you have fields like... |
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dcook |
Can't find the fields now |
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dcook |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd880.html |
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mtj |
the guide has some diff. info.. looks interesting |
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mtj |
http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/[…]guage%20searching |
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eythian |
ick |
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mtj |
change <icu_chain locale="en"> to <icu_chain locale="en_IN.UTF-8"> |
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wahanui |
mtj: that doesn't look right |
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dcook |
In general, I don't think that's a very reliable guide |
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mtj |
..add line at the bottom of the file /etc/koha/sites/library/zebra-biblios.cfg |
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mtj |
index: icu.idx |
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eythian |
actually, I can't find anything about a record having a language code. Maybe I got my wires crossed somewhere. |
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dcook |
In fact, that looks like it wouldn't even do anything |
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dcook |
eythian: I think so |
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eythian |
I have seen the occasional record in mixed language |
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mtj |
https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html |
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mtj |
eythian: i think its a thing ^ |
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eythian |
that's not the language code for a record |
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eythian |
that's the language code for an item |
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dcook |
A certain number of fields will always be the language of the items, but it does make me wonder about things like authorities.. |
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dcook |
Is it just assumed to be English.. |
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dcook |
Or do they not record that info |
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dcook |
mtj: The last thing I would do is follow kohageek.pbworks.com instructions |
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eythian |
dcook++ |
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dcook |
I suppose I often talk like I know what I'm talking about... but I think I at least link back to source documentation and actual examples |
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dcook |
And provide justifications |
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eythian |
have a look at the 650 for Intermediate Perl / isbn 0596102062 | 9780596102067 |
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eythian |
that's one that confused me a lot ages ago |
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dcook |
? |
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* dcook |
wanders off to find food |
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eythian |
it's a mixed language record |
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tcohen |
eythian: if MARC had the chance of setting the language the metadata is in, we would be forced to say MARC is reasonable |
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eythian |
no, I don't think so. |
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eythian |
it'd just be a small improvement. |
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tcohen |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
phew I hope that's about all we need on bug 8753 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
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wizzyrea |
I want that in 3.22 >.< |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: i like jagermeister |
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tcohen |
just saying |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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wizzyrea |
< |
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wizzyrea |
<3 |
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* wizzyrea |
looks for an online distributor in Argentina |
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tcohen |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
right friends, I'm outtie see you tomorrow |
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tcohen |
bye wizzyrea |
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tcohen |
night |
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mtj |
eythian: agreed re: your language code point :0) |
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dcook |
hmm jagermeister |
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* dcook |
always thought tcohen had good taste |
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dcook |
And is ridiculously good at motorcycle games in arcades |
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dcook |
And he isn't even here to enjoy the praise |
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dcook |
Riddle me this: |
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dcook |
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7[…]rsionId=184901696 |
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dcook |
It states that the work is "Freely available" |
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dcook |
at: http:/​/​openlibrary.org/​books/​OL22253601M |
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dcook |
But when you click on the "Read" link there, it pops up this guy: https://openlibrary.org/books/[…]_book_thief/daisy |
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dcook |
"This DAISY file is protected. |
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dcook |
It can only be opened on a specialized device with a key issued by the Library of Congress." |
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eythian |
presumably it's an error |
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* dcook |
is confused |
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dcook |
Then there's all sorts of stuff about how you can use DAISY-supplied software to read it on PCs |
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dcook |
Ah some DAISY files have DRM and some don't? |
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dcook |
"DAISY books that do not carry digital rights management can be played on a wide range of devices, from dedicated talking book players to devices such as the iPod." |
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dcook |
"This DAISY book is encrypted with a key from the National Library Service, and may be read on appropriate reading devices with the key installed." |
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dcook |
https://openlibrary.org/help/f[…]#daisy-device-key |
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dcook |
In summary, it would indeed appear to be an error to say it is freely available |
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dcook |
So far the National Library webpage has told me I can access an encrypted ebook for free... and it's giving me all these options to buy it online |
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dcook |
No idea where I can find a copy through a/the library though |
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dcook |
Oh wait... an elementary school in Victoria... |
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dcook |
Which is apparently open to the public O_o |
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dcook |
Yep definitely not open to the public |
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eythian |
http://www.findtheinvisiblecow.com/ |
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Joubu |
hi |
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reiveune |
hello |
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Joubu |
eythian: still around? |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
bonjour Joubu et gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
bonjour :) |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 16.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
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magnuse |
@wunder thessaloniki |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 20.0°C (9:50 AM EEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
heh |
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liw |
@wunder torrevieja |
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huginn |
liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 21.0°C (9:26 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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magnuse |
ooh, anyone able to beat that? |
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cdickinson |
@wunder nzwn |
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cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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ex-parrot |
huh, neat |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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dojobo |
hello |
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xarragon_ |
Hmm, when inserting sysprefs with the INSERT IGNORE syntax, will it overwrite existing values or keep them? Replace them I guess? The manual is a bit unclear. |
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Joubu |
nothing will be changed |
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mtj |
xarragon_: i think you are describing REPLACE ? |
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mtj |
https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refm[…]0/en/replace.html |
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drojf |
there is a lot of comments in my SRU response. i don't think it is supposed to be like this? |
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drojf |
with old default passwords and all. lol |
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drojf |
bug 12836 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , SRU Explain file needs to be rewritten |
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drojf |
"extreme new alpha stuff" |
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drojf |
:D |
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xarragon_ |
"eXXXtreme to the maxx!"? |
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xarragon_ |
Like as in, 90's extreme, rad and totally tubular, dude? |
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drojf |
we do not really need any of these indexes besides CQL, do we? |
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igor |
hi everyone |
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igor |
I'm trying to test koha locally, on a Debian Jessie environnement. It's the second time I'm doing this, and this time I encountering a problem that I've managed to solve the first time, but I can't remember how... |
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igor |
I don't know what URL using to get the web admin interface, I mean it's localhost, so how do I do to configure apache to reach something like library-intra.domain.tld... |
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igor |
I'm sure the solution is obvious, but I can't see it... :) |
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tcohen |
morning! |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
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tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.1°C (9:25 AM ART on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
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ashimema |
morning tcohen |
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* ashimema |
is hoping to finally take a look at the api patches today :) |
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tcohen |
hi ashimema |
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tcohen |
ashimema: that sounds great |
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* ashimema |
is also hoping to add a further covers provider to koha (BDS which is rather UK oriented me thinks) and may use it as an excuse to try out the api's work |
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igor |
configuring /etc/hosts helped me... |
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tcohen |
ashimema: sounds like a great idea |
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* tcohen |
hates update-control |
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tcohen |
paul_p: can u point me to the devops guy in biblibre that can press the reset button on the jenkins server please? |
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paul_p |
tcohen = biblibre is paying for jenkins, but I'm not sure we know how to reset it... looking now. (rangi must know, for sure) |
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tcohen |
paul_p: yeah, but he's on vacation still (me thinks) |
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tcohen |
I recall someone there had access |
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paul_p |
tcohen = clrh_ has required accesses & has restarted the server ;-) |
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tcohen |
paul_p++ clrh++ |
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tcohen |
thanks! |
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clrh_ |
:) |
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tcohen |
clrh: it is now happily up and running our precious tests :-D |
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tcohen |
paul_p: can u buy clrh a beer on my behalf? |
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paul_p |
tcohen = she drinked too much beer yesterday already ;-) |
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clrh |
:) |
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tcohen |
heh |
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ashimema |
jajm about? |
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ashimema |
just wondering if we are actually intending to use mojolicious cookies to maintain api 'sessions' |
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ashimema |
I'll comment on the bug intead |
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jajm |
ashimema, i'm not sure to understand what you mean by "maintaining api sessions" ? |
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ashimema |
are we using mojolicious sessions at all.. |
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ashimema |
if not, then there's no need to make the mojo secret configurable |
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ashimema |
as the only thing it's used for is the hmac signing of the mojolicious session cookie |
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ashimema |
we are instead relying on cgisessid which is the cookie created by the cgi method login already baked into koha |
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tcohen |
ashimema: the latter |
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wahanui |
the latter is already done |
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ashimema |
thus I think adding the secret as configurable in koha-conf is actually more misleading than useful |
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tcohen |
maybe a next-step action |
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ashimema |
next-step of what.. sorry.. |
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ashimema |
slightly confused.. you mean next step 'might' use the mojolicious cookie? |
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ashimema |
i've commented on the bug on bugzilla now.. so we can record the result of this conversation there |
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ashimema |
once I understand what the result is ;) |
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jajm |
ashimema, if we don't need secrets at all, then we can simple remove the patch... i don't think we should add code only to hide a debug message (it's just a debug message after all) |
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jajm |
simply* |
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ashimema |
that's a fair comment :) |
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ashimema |
we could remove it entirely |
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* ashimema |
thinks as auths bitch he really aught to dig into our session cookie... he has no idea if it's hmac signed or not at the moment. |
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ashimema |
also.. is the 'authorization' level stuff in another bug..? |
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ashimema |
can't currently find it.. but I'm likely just being dense ;) |
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jajm |
ashimema, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 ? |
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huginn |
Bug 14868: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking |
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ashimema |
aha.. brill |
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ashimema |
thanks jajm |
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ashimema |
that make much more sense for now.. |
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ashimema |
I was struggling to untangle 13920 ;) |
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ashimema |
thanks |
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Dyrcona |
rangi: Got a minute for a private question about NCIPServer? |
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ashimema |
it's round about 4.10am over there I think Dyrcona ;) |
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ashimema |
likely rangi is asleep ;) |
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Dyrcona |
Oh, yeah.. I left my cell phone at my desk. |
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Dyrcona |
I have it also show me time in LA and Wellington for people that I usually chat with. :) |
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Dyrcona |
@later tell rangi PM me for a question about NCIPServer. |
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huginn |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
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Dyrcona |
Thanks ashimema. |
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* Dyrcona |
is in a training class for the ILL software that NCIPServer was written to interface with. |
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ashimema |
ill.. :) |
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ashimema |
https://github.com/PTFS-Europe[…]ree/ill_community Dyrcona you may be interested in this stuff then ;) |
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ashimema |
my colleague is currently knocking it into shape for submission.. and magnuse is thinking about NCIP backends for it I believe.. |
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Dyrcona |
Cool. I'll have a look. |
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ashimema |
bit of a team effort going on there :) |
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Dyrcona |
My questions usually have to do with integrating my changes into the main NCIPServer branch that I consider owned by rangi, but this time I wanted to make sure that I understand what the Koha side is doing. |
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ashimema |
:) |
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Dyrcona |
I was comparing what Evergreen does with Koha in one area, and it looks the same, but I wanted to make sure. |
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ashimema |
jajm looks like we're both looking at this bug at the same time.. |
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ashimema |
I'll go rebae my patches and re-upload.. |
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jajm |
ashimema, yes apparently :) |
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ashimema |
just warning you not to grab my patches for now as they'll likely be out of sync |
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ashimema |
this is where bugzilla isn't especially clever ;) |
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ashimema |
I wan't to do a pull --rebase :( |
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ashimema |
but as they're 'only patches' |
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ashimema |
lol |
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jajm |
ashimema, does the "swagger.json split" work with Swagger2 0.28 ? |
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ashimema |
no |
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ashimema |
but the module is rather experimental at .28 |
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ashimema |
we're at .58 already.. |
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ashimema |
and development is still moving fast on it.. I'd suggest we try to keep up |
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jajm |
so wee need to upgrade the debian package... |
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jajm |
-e |
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ashimema |
which kinda raises my biggest fear with Mojo at the moment.. it's a fast moving project with security fixes etc going in super quick.. debian can't easily keep up :( |
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ashimema |
I'm not entirely sure hwo to manage that conundrum :( |
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ashimema |
was wondering about stratopan.. seeing if we can somehow remove our reliance upon system perl |
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ashimema |
I have a real love/hate relationship with packages these days.. |
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ashimema |
they certainly make installation for the novice way easier.. |
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ashimema |
but they also bring all sorts of pain in terms of maintaining compatibility and trying to move forward too |
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pianohacker |
Joubu: I spammed the everloving heck out of bug 11559, but buried in there are some requests for clarification from you. Please take a look when you get a chance :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
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Joubu |
pianohacker: yep, will do tomorrow, |
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Joubu |
for the subfield check, I don't know if the current behavior is buggy or if it's yours |
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Joubu |
"What is the intended effect of an ignored/mandatory subfield?" I don't know :) |
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Joubu |
answer tomorrow! |
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pianohacker |
totally fine, thanks! |
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ashimema, jajm, khall, tcohen: sent a patch on bug 14974, I would like you to have a look to collect ideas and start a discussion |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities |
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have a good evening #koha! |
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Joubu++ #I'll have a look this evening :) |
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ashimema |
also looking at bug 14828 to update my koha::objects knolledge.. thakns tcoen, joubu |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the item types related code to Koha::ItemTypes |
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tcohen |
Joubu++ |
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waves |
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tcohen |
hi cait! |
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hi tcohen |
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mveron |
Good evening / daytime everybody |
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hi |
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BobB |
is there a meeting now? |
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BobB |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_7_October_2015 |
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thd |
BobB: Yes there should be a meeting now. |
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BobB:: Did you see a reminder about the meeting on the mailing lists? |
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BobB |
no, i'm just out of bed tbh |
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thd |
I have been running around helping two old people I know avoid eviction. |
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wizzyrea |
thd++ |
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pianohacker |
thd: still in the midst of that? |
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thd |
pioanohacker: The judge has up to 60 days to rule on my friend's motion to dismiss the case. |
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BobB |
what about this meeting? there's not much on the agenda |
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BobB |
shall we skip it? |
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BobB |
breakfast beckons for /me |
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BobB |
catch you next time thd |
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thd |
pioanohacker: We have cured the basic complaint two months ago. However, the landlord's lawyer is trying to assert that even a very neat but large personal library is a fire hazard. |
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thd |
Are there enough people here to have a meeting? |
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mtj |
hi folks, i'm about... |
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thd |
pianohacker: Did you see a reminder about meeting on the mailing list? |
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pianohacker |
nope |
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pianohacker |
thd: that's unfortunate... sorry to hear |
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i think the meeting reminder email didnt happen |
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pianohacker: In New York City, even very high rents are never high enough for many of the type of people who are now in the business of being a landlord. The nice landlords have largely sold out to the mean ones. |
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pianohacker |
sounds like new york... |
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pioanohacker: I am largely finished helping my friend in a major way where I was spending every day helping him restore things to how I had seen them years ago and better. However, the case is continuing in housing court. |
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pianohacker |
thd: you're like bag used to be with his creative spellings of pianohacker ;) |
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pianohacker |
pananohacker, panohacker, paninihacker |
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thd |
He he |
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bag |
my best ever was pianocaker |
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heh |
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thd |
pianohacker: My spell checker marks the correct and incorrect spellings wrong. |
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pianohacker |
it's not a common word (thankfully for getting usernames) |
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pianohacker |
bag: wow your memory... that was 2009! http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]ick=&q=pianocaker |
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pianohacker |
like, that was from the brendan/bg era! |
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bag |
yeah :) |
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bag |
told ya I’ve got a decent memory |
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pianohacker |
if a selective one ;) |
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wizzyrea |
that's a pretty memorable typo. |
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thd |
At this point, I will assume a lack of reminder has killed the prospects for a productive meeting. Should we hold a meeting to at least set the date and time of the next meeting? |
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pianohacker |
heh. I'd say we put that on the mailing list |
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thd |
Ok |
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thd |
I am going to run then to catch up to the other person I am helping in a minimal way. This person is merely a little behind on his rent because he procrastinated about doing things earlier. |
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hi |
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hi |
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hello |
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hi |
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Francesca |
hi |
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wahanui |
que tal, Francesca |
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wizzyrea |
I've just had a report of the ajax circ doubling up circulations. I wonder if anyone else has seen that? |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: circulations? like double issues table entries? |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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pianohacker |
wtf |
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wizzyrea |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14069 |
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huginn |
Bug 14069: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Follow-up 13790: Fix database update to drop PK on issues/old_issues first |
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wizzyrea |
I think i'ts because of this |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: what version? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top |
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"wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "double issues" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99 |
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wizzyrea |
3,20 |
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wizzyrea |
they have 8 occurrences of this since they upgraded to 3.20 |
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wizzyrea |
this particular library |
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pianohacker |
what do you mean by ajax circ? the renew/return from the datatable? |
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wizzyrea |
i mean using the not-so-new-now circulation interface |
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wizzyrea |
to be fair it probably has more to do with there now not being a PK on the issues table on itemnumber |
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wizzyrea |
but it should probably have a unique |
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wizzyrea |
(as colin notes) |
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martian523 |
need help! i created a basket. then tried to receive shipment, then it says "no orders found" |
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wizzyrea |
You need to close the basket |
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wizzyrea |
martian523 ^ :) |
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