IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-25

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02:23 eythian wizzyrea: is having an entry in both 100 and 110 considered incorrect?
02:23 eythian I thought someone told me it was, but I'm seeing it in some data.
02:24 eythian On the other hand, I probably don't care overly much.
02:24 wizzyrea hm.
02:24 wizzyrea I feel like you could have both
02:24 wizzyrea hmmm loc it would seem wants one or the other.
02:25 eythian OK cool
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02:25 eythian I'm calling this data invalid and ignoring the slightly weird case it causes then
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03:01 eythian wahanui: drama llama is <reply>
03:01 wahanui OK, eythian.
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03:01 * eythian saves for future use
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03:11 * Francesca is frustrated
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03:20 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea is also <reply>lizardrea
03:20 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:20 wizzyrea lol
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03:25 * wizzyrea nods
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03:57 dcook For evidence that dcook likes a good rant, check out bug 11297
03:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11297 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, Signed Off , Add support for custom PQF attributes for Z39.50 server searches.
03:57 dcook Also for evidence that dcook sometimes changes his mind about things ;)
03:58 dcook @later tell eythian awesome that you fixed your flights :)
03:58 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
03:58 eythian I'm still here
03:58 dcook :D
03:58 dcook I totally missed the fact that they reserved a block of rooms...
03:58 dcook I figured since last year accomodation was survival of the fittest that this year it wouldn't be organized either...
03:58 eythian I got one of them
03:58 dcook I got one of the few remaining rooms that weren't part of the block
03:59 eythian doh
03:59 eythian I presume the block ones were cheaper?
03:59 eythian I'm not sure
03:59 dcook Yeah, the block ones were cheaper
03:59 dcook I think we bought a flexible reservation though, so if something bad did happen I could bail at the last moment like last time
04:00 dcook Although baby's heartbeat seemed strong this morning :)
04:01 dcook I had a huge rant about PQF on bugzilla once upon a time but I can't remember what issue it was...
04:01 dcook Or do I..
04:01 dcook It had to do with the OPAC..
04:02 dcook OpacSuppresion I think..
04:02 dcook bug 10542 Bam!
04:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, CLOSED FIXED, QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries'
04:02 dcook Of course, my esoteric knowledge of Z39.50, PQF, and Zebra might go out with window when ElasticSearch takes over ;)
04:03 eythian I like to think ES is much more sane
04:03 dcook I like to think so too
04:08 cdickinson beer o'clock
04:08 wahanui beer o'clock is a vital part of the Koha development process.
04:08 cdickinson the bell hasn't rung yet
04:08 aleisha wait for the ding
04:08 cdickinson that's also the sound for tequila o'clock
04:09 Francesca consult the printer
04:09 cdickinson it says it's low on black toner
04:09 * Francesca facepalms
04:09 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg
04:09 Francesca who taught him that? its gold
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06:16 * magnuse waves
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06:34 fridolin hie
06:34 marcelr hi #koha fridolin
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06:51 reiveune hello
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06:55 alex_a bonjour
06:58 Joubu hi
06:58 wahanui hey, Joubu
07:01 Joubu xarragon_: Are you around?
07:02 Joubu @later tell xarragon_ Did you manage to deal with your TestBuilder issue?
07:02 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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07:25 xarragon_ Joubu: Well I simply removed the constraint.
07:27 Joubu no really a good idea I suppose :)
07:27 Joubu not*
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07:58 MichaelZ_UNNC Hello everybody
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08:08 magnuse hm, i'm getting "$ sudo koha-stop-zebra x" --> "Zebra already stopped for instance x" when zebra is in fact running. i thought eythian had a fix for that but now i can't find it. anyone got a clue?
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08:59 cait morning #koha
09:00 marcelr hi cait
09:00 cait hi marcelr :)
09:01 magnuse morning?
09:01 cait morning magnuse :)
09:16 sophie_m hello
09:16 wahanui niihau, sophie_m
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09:17 sophie_m can someone tell me when 3.18.11 will be ready ?
09:17 cait sophie_m: i saw liz was pushing patches, but you'd have to ask her about the release date i think
09:20 sophie_m thank you cait, liz not around
09:21 cait yeah, nz is hard to catch for us - maybe email?
09:21 sophie_m yes cait, done, thanks
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09:33 cait hi paul_p
09:34 paul_p hi cait & others.
09:38 * Francesca waves
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10:51 mtj bug 14361 magnuse?
10:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14361 major, P3, ---, benjamin.rokseth, Pushed to Stable , koha-restart-zebra fails and probably breaks upgrade
10:54 magnuse mtj: possibly! i'll see if the upgrade to 3.20.4 fixes it, but i'm waiting another week for that
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11:50 drojf hi #koha
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12:06 drojf the new 3.18 is not out yet, is it?
12:07 cait i don't think so, sophie_m asked about it earier as well
12:07 cait and hi drojf ;)
12:08 drojf ok then i'll send an email only for 3.10 to the german list :)
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12:10 cait 3.10?
12:10 wahanui 3.10 is Koha 3.10 was released 23 November 2012
12:14 drojf 3.20
12:14 drojf heh
12:14 drojf i hope i wrote 3.20 in the email :D
12:15 cait you are always so 'fleissig'
12:15 cait that's only in quotes because german - I meant it nicely :)
12:22 drojf i am? :)
12:22 drojf i feel lazy most of the time
12:22 drojf :P
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12:33 drojf elasticsearch?
12:33 wahanui i heard elasticsearch was mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such.
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12:35 drojf if i want to play with ES, should i still use the catalyst repo? or what is on the bug on BZ?
12:36 cait there is abug and it links to the branch i think
12:36 cait or the rfc in the wiki
12:36 cait hopefully linking both to the same branch
12:38 drojf yes i have the link
12:38 drojf lol
12:38 Joubu drojf: use the catalyst/elastic_search branch
12:39 drojf[…]ds/elastic_search
12:39 * cait waves at Joubu
12:40 xarragon_ Hmm, so I essentially need to turn a dbix resultset to and from json. Would it be reasonable to put that inside a Koha::Object class pair?
12:41 xarragon_ And then just add like.. Koha::MyStuff::Foobar class with a to_json and from_json methods.
12:41 xarragon_ It would be a collection of rows, so I guess it would go in the plural, "Foobars" class?
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12:43 tcohen morning
12:43 drojf thanks cait and Joubu
12:43 drojf hi tcohen
12:44 tcohen hi drojf Joubu cait
12:56 tcohen jajm: around?
12:56 jajm tcohen, hi
12:57 tcohen i didn't succeed running the api on plack with the packages plack.psgi file
12:57 tcohen i created a followup for the tests to make them independent on the existing data
12:58 * ashimema thinks if it's at all possible we should run mojo stuff on a mojo server.. hypnotoad for instance.. as it gives us event loops and other mojo clever stuffs without any extra work on our part
12:58 * ashimema does also udnerstand why were trying to use plack for all
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13:04 tcohen ashimema: we cannot reach a consensus on the use of mojo, zero feedback on the plack integration... how do u think it would work if we even proposed to use a different server?
13:06 tcohen ashimema: and I think we can do it, but first steps first
13:06 ashimema I agree.. lets get it working on plack first..
13:07 ashimema has anyone ventured to ask the Mojo guys how they might do what we're trying to do?
13:08 tcohen ashimema: i tried a couple days ago
13:08 ashimema ah.. take it you didn't get much joy from it then
13:08 ashimema :9
13:09 xarragon_ Speaking of caching, are dev installations supposed to run slower than normal installs?
13:09 tcohen ehh
13:09 ashimema not that I know of xarragon_
13:09 tcohen ashimema: no answer heh
13:10 xarragon_ Because on a modern i5 laptop with an SSD opac-main takes about 2 seconds.. A bit less with memcached but still slow.
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13:11 ashimema really..
13:11 wahanui i heard really was more trouble than she's worth.
13:11 drojf oh i'm cloning into a wheezy-vm. is jessie required for the ES-branch or will it work on wheezy too?
13:12 drojf i guess i will find out eventually ;)
13:13 ashimema not tired it drojf..
13:13 ashimema fingers crossed it works for you
13:14 drojf "Oh, and this requires Debian Jessie, as most of the old dependencies made it into there." well no i am almost there so i will try anyway ;)
13:14 drojf *now
13:15 tcohen drojf: just use the damn vagrant up jessie thing :-P
13:15 xarragon_ I have no idea what you're all doing, but if it is Perl module deps you are talking about, setting up a separate cpan install for Koha is pretty easy.
13:15 drojf later :D
13:16 ashimema :)
13:16 ashimema catron + plenv = <B
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13:18 drojf no thats not gonna work
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14:26 drojf Content Warning: The information presented in this chapter is for your interest
14:26 drojf lol
14:26 drojf i sure hope so
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15:01 reiveune bye
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15:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14505: single quotes in journal number cause print routing list window to not... <[…]cd82050ca6437f0d4> / Bug 14217: Add 'condition' attribute for DOM index definition <[…]3cdc417cd798e0ab4> / Bug 14873: Remove C4::Dates from reserve/ <http://gi
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15:04 nitz0 hi people
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15:23 drojf i know it's not the purpose of elasticsearch in koha, but couldn't we in theory throw everything in there instead of SQL?
15:26 drojf (and wouldn't that be a lot of fun refactoring? :D)
15:27 liw out of idle curiosity: how much data is there in a Koha database for a medium sized library? i.e., how big is an SQL dump for backups?
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15:36 jcamins drojf: ES doesn't really go in for ACID-compliance.
15:38 Joubu drojf: That could be done for some entities, patrons for instance
15:38 Joubu Have to go, good week-end!
15:38 drojf Joubu: patrons was actually the first thing i was thinking of
15:39 drojf you too
15:39 drojf the good weekend, i mean :)
15:40 drojf jcamins: but when i learn ES now, i want to use it for everything!
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16:46 ashimema that would be nice drojf
16:47 ashimema there's nothing really stopping us from indexing stuff elsewhere..
16:47 ashimema though would only be worthwhile if we actually feel retrieval from one index is faster/better from one indexer compared to another
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17:19 tcohen jcamins: Koha doesn't use transaction, does it?
17:22 nitz0 bug 1861
17:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1861 normal, P4, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Unique patrons logins not (totally) enforced
17:26 tcohen hi nitz0
17:28 nitz0 hi tcohen
17:28 tcohen whatsup?
17:32 nitz0 daily mysqldump and restore. Just testing. I read, while I was running koha-upgrade-schema, that it seems to be duplicated users login.
17:33 nitz0 Upgrade to done (Bug 1861 - Unique patrons logins not (totally) enforced) FAILED!
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1861 normal, P4, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Unique patrons logins not (totally) enforced
17:33 nitz0 Your database has users with duplicate user logins. etc
17:34 tcohen yeap, you should fix them, and run the alter table after that
17:36 nitz0 the work is manually, right?
17:36 tcohen nitz0: something like this might help
17:36 tcohen SELECT surname,firstname,email,card​number,userid,borrowernumber FROM borrowers WHERE userid IS NULL OR userid="";
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17:37 tcohen because that is the cause of duplicates (mostly) on my dbs
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17:38 tcohen nitz0: also this SELECT userid FROM (SELECT userid,COUNT(userid) AS the_count FROM borrowers GROUP BY userid) a WHERE the_count > 1
17:39 jcamins tcohen: no, but we do use MySQL's consistency and durability guarantees.
17:41 nitz0 ok tcohen, thx.
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17:52 nitz0 tcohen : the first sql shows 1526 results.
17:53 tcohen nitz0: that means you are not providing your patrons with logins
17:53 tcohen just put their emails there
17:54 tcohen like UPDATE borrowers SET userid=email WHERE (userid='' OR userid IS NULL) AND email<>'';
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18:10 nitz0 ready, fixed userid=cardnumber because not all users have email.
18:10 nitz0 noy ALTER TABLE?
18:11 tcohen it's in the upgrade logs
18:11 nitz0 thx
18:12 tcohen ALTER TABLE borrowers DROP INDEX userid, ADD UNIQUE userid (userid)
18:17 nitz0 good, thx again. finished.
18:19 tcohen nitz0: glad to hear. it is always great to start the weekend with a win
18:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14883: Librarians are not warned if patron is restricted when placing holds <[…]6da343495af377d2f> / Bug 14882: Librarians are not warned if patron owe more than maxoutstanding when... <[…]297a311f6143f459e> / Bug 14710: Make the export checkout list expo
18:53 tcohen bye
18:53 tcohen have a nice weekend
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19:13 barton @seen Joubu
19:13 huginn barton: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have to go, good week-end!
19:14 barton ah, durn.
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19:47 tcohen hi
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20:18 tcohen khall_away: maybe it depends on how slow is the mysql server you are testing against?
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21:28 nitz0 well people, bye all. thx allways.
21:34 tcohen
21:34 tcohen oops
21:56 tcohen bye everyone
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