IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-07

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03:45 Francesca hello!
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05:22 andreashm morning
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05:50 Francesca sup
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06:21 magnuse kia ora Francesca
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06:28 reiveune hello
06:28 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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06:30 magnuse @wunder boo
06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:30 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 15.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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06:39 alex_a bonjour
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07:15 gaetan_B hello
07:15 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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07:35 Francesca @wunder wlg
07:35 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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08:07 magnuse ncip! ncip! ncip!
08:07 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen I thought I had slides for both approaches? I would like to receive Joubu's feedback about it
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08:18 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen But I really tried to see the thing from another point of view.
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09:53 cait @later tell drojf ping
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11:09 drojf hi #koha
11:21 kivilahtio_ hi drojf!
11:24 magnuse wow, quiet dat
11:24 magnuse *day
11:24 cait can't say so
11:28 magnuse in here, i meant
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11:33 * andreashm waves
11:33 * cait waves
11:33 * andreashm is concerned about how Koha handles holds
11:34 andreashm is it correct that all items on a bib will be placed on hold, no matter branch or item type?
11:34 andreashm (for "next available copy")
11:35 cait hm not quite
11:35 cait the hold is entered without an item number
11:35 cait when an item is returned, koha checks the circulation conditions - if the hold can fill the hold
11:35 cait so if the rules there forbid it, the return won't trigger the hold
11:35 cait the hold will exist until an item is returned or checked in that CAN fill it
11:36 cait does that make sense?
11:36 andreashm um, yes.
11:36 cait so for example if the itemtype is not holdable - it won't ever trigger a hold
11:36 cait if you don't alloow holds on damaged...
11:36 cait I'd do some experimenting with the conditions between branches
11:36 andreashm yes, but if one item type is for 7 day loan and one is 30 it would be good if they weren't connected, but they are.
11:37 cait hm
11:37 cait how would you expect the 'next available' to work?
11:37 andreashm and I haven't found a way to limit holds to a branch without it being for a patron of a specific branch. but that causes a lot of other problems
11:38 cait have you takean a lot at the branch transfer limits?
11:38 cait a look
11:38 andreashm I would want "next available" to be limited per branch. (or preferably location, but that I know isn't in Koha)
11:38 andreashm a little, not much
11:38 cait hm khall_away would be good for holds quesions
11:38 cait we ony have one library that send items between branches
11:39 cait can you phrase an example how you would want it to work?
11:39 andreashm A connected problem is that if an item is loaned out on one branch, and a hold is placed, Koha will block checkouts on the same book on another branch.
11:39 cait hm it shouldn't
11:40 andreashm I know we can override, but its clunky (and might cause problems with the self checkout machines I imagine)
11:40 andreashm 'it does
11:40 cait let me think :)
11:40 andreashm at least the way we have it set up now
11:40 andreashm =)
11:40 cait are you sending items between branches?
11:40 andreashm we could be doing it totally wrong though. =)
11:41 andreashm We would like books to be sent back or returned to another library. but not sent out for holds.
11:41 cait maybe try AlowItemsOnHoldCheckout
11:41 andreashm so pick-up library should always be the same as the issuing branch
11:42 andreashm I'll look at that one
11:42 cait it coudl remove the warning
11:42 cait it says if the user has it in his hand.. that's prio
11:42 cait so shoudl allow checkout
11:43 cait also OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch
11:43 cait so the users can't choose where to pick up an item from
11:43 cait i am not sure what it preselects - but worth a try
11:44 cait it can only be patron homebranch or item homebranch... and maybe would be easy to enh if necessary
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11:45 andreashm_ damn, got logged out.
11:45 andreashm_ and now Annabelle is screaming at me to put the computer down. (at home today)
11:45 andreashm_ guess I'll be back later. =)
11:45 andreashm_ byr
11:45 andreashm_ bye
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12:19 kivilahtio_ khall_away: Can you skim Bug 14698? See the help of -script? max 10 minutes
12:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , AtomicUpdater - Keeps track of which updates have been applied to a database
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12:47 tcohen morning!
12:48 tcohen hi magnuse
12:59 magnuse kia ora tcohen
12:59 tcohen magnuse: would you accept a pull request? :-D
12:59 tcohen maybe we can start by creating a branch
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13:06 magnuse tcohen: sure
13:06 * cait waves
13:06 tcohen magnuse:
13:09 tcohen magnuse: i will squash a couple commits and send the pull request. thanks!
13:13 magnuse yo! pull request paradise!
13:24 tcohen magnuse: ready :-D
13:27 magnuse got it
13:27 magnuse i'll let it sit a day or two to see if anyone has any comments
13:28 * magnuse gotta run
13:30 tcohen bye magnuse !
13:41 tcohen Joubu: could you review my followup for 14639? I tried to make you happy :-D
13:42 xarragon I need to generate a complete tree from a database table.. I could do it all serverside or dump the list and have JS build it. It is for Intranet only, CMS stuff. If done serverside, should I throw it in a 'Widget' class that renders itself as HTML which I drop into a template.. Or whjat is the recommended approach?
13:47 cait sorry, you lost me
13:47 cait hm a tree that can be collapsed/uncollapsed?
13:47 cait if yes... i think we might already use a jquery library for that in the authorities module
13:48 xarragon Well, it is just that I looked inside the Koha subdir and only found some classes for managing items etc, nothing that generates html output..
13:48 xarragon So I am not sure if that sort of stuff goes in there..
13:48 xarragon cait: Ok, will look
13:49 cait i think generating html should happen in templates
13:49 cait if possible... but as i don't get the use case i might talk nosnsense :)
13:50 xarragon Hmm, well, I will look at the example of the authorities that you mentioned. I just stopped because I was realizing I was probbaly doing the wrong thing.
13:51 cait xarragon: there is a pref related to that... might be easier to spot the code that way
13:51 cait AuthDisplayHierarchy
13:51 wahanui i guess AuthDisplayHierarchy is on
13:53 xarragon Was off on my system, but it is very bare
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13:58 xarragon Seems like we have treeview: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.treeview.pack.js
13:58 xarragon So I can probably wrangle that to do what i need instead of building a complex nested list structure myself
13:58 xarragon Or rather.. The list I might make, but not the framework for editing the contents.
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14:00 xarragon And jstree: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.jstree.js
14:03 xarragon cait: Yup you were right; jstree is used in the authorities detail view. Thanlks
14:21 tcohen oops
14:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: Implement the copy_and_replace action for MTT <[…]b9a8eff6f24555b55> / Bug 14098: Add copy_and_replace action to MMT <[…]7933ee0fac378dcb6> / Bug 14098: Remove unedeed subroutines <[…]=commitdiff;h=f37
14:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: DBRev <[…]c342413f67ca7c5a8>
14:54 cait xarragon: glad i coudl be somewhat helpful in my confusion :)
15:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12525: Prevent adding several patron lists with the same name <[…]ae754d66c7e144d81> / Bug 12525: FIX patron lists dropdown is empty <[…]13ff7a7d7a432bcd5> / Bug 14343: Remove the DT pagination <[…]a.git;a=commitdif
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15:09 andreashm hey
15:10 * andreashm waves
15:14 * cait waves again
15:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14760: Disabled courses display in the course reserves list for items <[…]af6f38102206863ae> / Bug 14470: Do not allow renew for on-site checkouts <[…]70d31342f796edc47> / Bug 14639: (QA followup) make schema mandatory <
15:14 cait hm no drojf
15:16 tcohen @seen drojf
15:16 huginn tcohen: drojf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <drojf> hi #koha
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15:29 andreashm cait: humm, AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout doesn't seem to do anything. still get a checkout message. weird.
15:29 andreashm ah, got to go again (dinner) bbl.
15:32 cait hmm
15:32 cait maybe it always warns... but lets you check out on the self check
15:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Similar change for staff <[…]7ca3b7a556d246ed5> / Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Mixup between mobile and smsalertnumber <[…]0812e3a6789fabced> / Bug 14683: Unable to clear SMS number <[…]/?p=koha.git;a=co
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16:50 tcohen @later tell eythian could you please provide one more Debian 8 box? The goal is to run MariaDB on it
16:50 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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16:52 tcohen @seen Joubu
16:52 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 1 hour, 43 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha
16:52 tcohen a week!
17:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14472: DBRev <[…]35d6540d0bfc9cdf4> / Bug 12357: DBRev <[…]cb889bee1b958b358> / Bug 12357: Following whitespace failures on koha qa test tools. <[…]2df238217efc06182
17:16 tcohen @later tell marcelr your patch for GetReserveFee broke the tests introduced by bug 14464. Please fix them ASAP
17:16 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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17:20 tcohen khall_away: why are spaces bad for passwordS?
17:32 magnuse tcohen: you had some preference for how we submit patches
17:32 magnuse with separate patches for different things
17:33 magnuse is that written down somewhere?
17:33 tcohen usually, but not mandatory, it is not written
17:34 tcohen we always say "separate patches for different things" is more readable
17:35 tcohen the only reference i can think of, is the section that says 'if you want to refactor something (tidy), first fix the problem, then provide a followup for the tidy)
17:35 tcohen[…]#Refactoring_code
17:35 tcohen why?
17:37 tcohen @later tell cait
17:37 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:37 magnuse thanks, tcohen
17:37 magnuse one of Viktor's hackers had a question about how to submit a large piece of work, in another channel
17:38 tcohen i tried to follow that on my Koha patches, and kohadevbox patches too
17:38 tcohen it is a good common practice
17:38 magnuse i seem to remember somethin about database-changes in a separate patch or something like that?
17:38 tcohen in a community like this, with many people involved... it is important to make things easy for others to test your patches...
17:38 tcohen magnuse: true
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19:31 tcohen bye #koha
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20:51 cait so quiet
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20:54 cait magnuse: around?
21:11 bag hola
21:19 cait hola
22:00 ashimema mwah
22:02 cait go to bed?
22:11 ashimema can't untill I have this server fixed :'(
22:11 cait oh
22:12 cait so fix the server!
22:13 ashimema problem is..
22:13 ashimema I only have a symptop.. every cause I can think of isn't the cause
22:13 ashimema I'm stuck
22:13 ashimema and tired :(
22:13 cait what's the symptom? *volunteers as rubber duck*
22:14 ashimema 403 for everything
22:14 ashimema on apache 2.4
22:14 ashimema only koha seems affected though :(
22:15 cait and it started suddenly?
22:15 ashimema somebody messed with the apt/sources.list file..
22:16 ashimema change one line to stable instead of wheezy.. so the system got in a right state at unattended upgrade time.
22:16 wahanui ashimema: that doesn't look right
22:17 cait hm was wheezy still the old apache?
22:17 cait before it got messed up?
22:17 ashimema no idea
22:17 ashimema his server is now at jessie
22:17 ashimema not sure how many people out there are running koha on jessie
22:17 cait did you make sure the apache configu files got updated correctly?
22:17 ashimema in what sense?
22:18 ashimema I've been trying to work out what's wring with them all evening.
22:18 rangi jessie should be fine
22:18 cait if it was old apache before... that could explain maybe?
22:18 ashimema it was indeed old apache
22:18 rangi but the rules for access did change between apaches
22:19 ashimema yeah..
22:19 ashimema is that all that's changed though?
22:19 rangi thats probably the cause of the 403
22:19 cait can you get the packages to update them correctly?
22:20 cait my notes predate the correct fix in Koha... so...
22:20 rangi that permission denied problem looks like exactly the fix
22:21 ashimema ooh..
22:22 rangi yeah that first one is enough
22:23 cait i gave no guarantees :)
22:23 rangi Require all granted
22:23 rangi is what you need ashimema
22:23 ashimema ah.. thanks guys..
22:23 ashimema that did the trick..
22:23 * cait is jsut the rubber duck :)
22:23 ashimema I have updated the existing blocks..
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22:24 ashimema but I hadn't added that new one..
22:24 ashimema did they go and change the bloody defaults behind my back to 'block everything'
22:24 ashimema seems so
22:24 rangi its a good default
22:24 rangi but a warning on upgrade would help
22:25 ashimema yeah.. it's a great default..
22:25 ashimema just one I hadn't come accross yet..
22:25 ashimema thanks guys
22:26 rangi i run a koha on debian unstable .. helps to bump into these things before they get into stable
22:27 rangi i probably should try to run early copies of ubuntu releases too
22:28 cait rangi: let him go back to bed :)
22:28 bag @wunder 97215
22:28 huginn bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 20.4°C (3:27 PM PDT on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
22:28 bag amazing day here
22:29 bag Hey rangi - my pats are playing your steelers thursday night ;)  we should bet a pint on the game ;)
22:30 rangi heh you're on
22:33 ashimema rangi.. I've got a koha on jessie already.. didn't need that particular trick though..
22:33 ashimema oh well
22:34 ashimema I'm off.. have a good day peeps
22:35 rangi cya ashimema
22:38 bag later ashimema
22:39 bag ok I’m back to cleaning the garage :)   once Ginny is awake we’re going for a hike w00t w00t
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