Time Nick Message 03:45 Francesca hello! 05:22 andreashm morning 05:23 * andreashm waves 05:44 * magnuse waves 05:50 Francesca sup 06:21 magnuse kia ora Francesca 06:28 reiveune hello 06:28 wahanui kia ora, reiveune 06:30 magnuse @wunder boo 06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 06:30 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 15.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 06:39 alex_a bonjour 07:15 gaetan_B hello 07:15 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B 07:35 Francesca @wunder wlg 07:35 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:07 magnuse ncip! ncip! ncip! 08:07 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen I thought I had slides for both approaches? I would like to receive Joubu's feedback about it 08:07 huginn kivilahtio_: The operation succeeded. 08:18 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen But I really tried to see the thing from another point of view. 08:18 huginn kivilahtio_: The operation succeeded. 09:53 cait @later tell drojf ping 09:53 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 11:09 drojf hi #koha 11:21 kivilahtio_ hi drojf! 11:24 magnuse wow, quiet dat 11:24 magnuse *day 11:24 cait can't say so 11:28 magnuse in here, i meant 11:33 * andreashm waves 11:33 * cait waves 11:33 * andreashm is concerned about how Koha handles holds 11:34 andreashm is it correct that all items on a bib will be placed on hold, no matter branch or item type? 11:34 andreashm (for "next available copy") 11:35 cait hm not quite 11:35 cait the hold is entered without an item number 11:35 cait when an item is returned, koha checks the circulation conditions - if the hold can fill the hold 11:35 cait so if the rules there forbid it, the return won't trigger the hold 11:35 cait the hold will exist until an item is returned or checked in that CAN fill it 11:36 cait does that make sense? 11:36 andreashm um, yes. 11:36 cait so for example if the itemtype is not holdable - it won't ever trigger a hold 11:36 cait if you don't alloow holds on damaged... 11:36 cait I'd do some experimenting with the conditions between branches 11:36 andreashm yes, but if one item type is for 7 day loan and one is 30 it would be good if they weren't connected, but they are. 11:37 cait hm 11:37 cait how would you expect the 'next available' to work? 11:37 andreashm and I haven't found a way to limit holds to a branch without it being for a patron of a specific branch. but that causes a lot of other problems 11:38 cait have you takean a lot at the branch transfer limits? 11:38 cait a look 11:38 andreashm I would want "next available" to be limited per branch. (or preferably location, but that I know isn't in Koha) 11:38 andreashm a little, not much 11:38 cait hm khall_away would be good for holds quesions 11:38 cait we ony have one library that send items between branches 11:39 cait can you phrase an example how you would want it to work? 11:39 andreashm A connected problem is that if an item is loaned out on one branch, and a hold is placed, Koha will block checkouts on the same book on another branch. 11:39 cait hm it shouldn't 11:40 andreashm I know we can override, but its clunky (and might cause problems with the self checkout machines I imagine) 11:40 andreashm 'it does 11:40 cait let me think :) 11:40 andreashm at least the way we have it set up now 11:40 andreashm =) 11:40 cait are you sending items between branches? 11:40 andreashm we could be doing it totally wrong though. =) 11:41 andreashm We would like books to be sent back or returned to another library. but not sent out for holds. 11:41 cait maybe try AlowItemsOnHoldCheckout 11:41 andreashm so pick-up library should always be the same as the issuing branch 11:42 andreashm I'll look at that one 11:42 cait it coudl remove the warning 11:42 cait it says if the user has it in his hand.. that's prio 11:42 cait so shoudl allow checkout 11:43 cait also OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch 11:43 cait so the users can't choose where to pick up an item from 11:43 cait i am not sure what it preselects - but worth a try 11:44 cait it can only be patron homebranch or item homebranch... and maybe would be easy to enh if necessary 11:45 andreashm_ damn, got logged out. 11:45 andreashm_ and now Annabelle is screaming at me to put the computer down. (at home today) 11:45 andreashm_ guess I'll be back later. =) 11:45 andreashm_ byr 11:45 andreashm_ bye 12:19 kivilahtio_ khall_away: Can you skim Bug 14698? See the help of atomicupdate.pl -script? max 10 minutes 12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , AtomicUpdater - Keeps track of which updates have been applied to a database 12:47 tcohen morning! 12:48 tcohen hi magnuse 12:59 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:59 tcohen magnuse: would you accept a pull request? :-D 12:59 tcohen maybe we can start by creating a branch 13:06 magnuse tcohen: sure 13:06 * cait waves 13:06 tcohen magnuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGbzYlnz7c 13:09 tcohen magnuse: i will squash a couple commits and send the pull request. thanks! 13:13 magnuse yo! pull request paradise! 13:24 tcohen magnuse: ready :-D 13:27 magnuse got it 13:27 magnuse i'll let it sit a day or two to see if anyone has any comments 13:28 * magnuse gotta run 13:30 tcohen bye magnuse ! 13:41 tcohen Joubu: could you review my followup for 14639? I tried to make you happy :-D 13:42 xarragon I need to generate a complete tree from a database table.. I could do it all serverside or dump the list and have JS build it. It is for Intranet only, CMS stuff. If done serverside, should I throw it in a 'Widget' class that renders itself as HTML which I drop into a template.. Or whjat is the recommended approach? 13:47 cait sorry, you lost me 13:47 cait hm a tree that can be collapsed/uncollapsed? 13:47 cait if yes... i think we might already use a jquery library for that in the authorities module 13:48 xarragon Well, it is just that I looked inside the Koha subdir and only found some classes for managing items etc, nothing that generates html output.. 13:48 xarragon So I am not sure if that sort of stuff goes in there.. 13:48 xarragon cait: Ok, will look 13:49 cait i think generating html should happen in templates 13:49 cait if possible... but as i don't get the use case i might talk nosnsense :) 13:50 xarragon Hmm, well, I will look at the example of the authorities that you mentioned. I just stopped because I was realizing I was probbaly doing the wrong thing. 13:51 cait xarragon: there is a pref related to that... might be easier to spot the code that way 13:51 cait AuthDisplayHierarchy 13:51 wahanui i guess AuthDisplayHierarchy is on 13:53 xarragon Was off on my system, but it is very bare 13:58 xarragon Seems like we have treeview: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.treeview.pack.js 13:58 xarragon So I can probably wrangle that to do what i need instead of building a complex nested list structure myself 13:58 xarragon Or rather.. The list I might make, but not the framework for editing the contents. 14:00 xarragon And jstree: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.jstree.js 14:03 xarragon cait: Yup you were right; jstree is used in the authorities detail view. Thanlks 14:21 tcohen oops 14:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: Implement the copy_and_replace action for MTT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f189696bb7bfeeb82e977d3b9a8eff6f24555b55> / Bug 14098: Add copy_and_replace action to MMT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f74321977c50ef45daa4897933ee0fac378dcb6> / Bug 14098: Remove unedeed subroutines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f37 14:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: DBRev 3.21.00.024 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=297479cc9adb74e050fb630c342413f67ca7c5a8> 14:54 cait xarragon: glad i coudl be somewhat helpful in my confusion :) 15:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12525: Prevent adding several patron lists with the same name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f65aaac748833b57f9f1c8ae754d66c7e144d81> / Bug 12525: FIX patron lists dropdown is empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2e50e0b06587f45c5370b313ff7a7d7a432bcd5> / Bug 14343: Remove the DT pagination <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif 15:09 reiveune bye 15:09 andreashm hey 15:10 * andreashm waves 15:14 * cait waves again 15:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14760: Disabled courses display in the course reserves list for items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73e9dcb70fcf24dc87af7c5af6f38102206863ae> / Bug 14470: Do not allow renew for on-site checkouts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea92a92f5384c3256de55b770d31342f796edc47> / Bug 14639: (QA followup) make schema mandatory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe 15:14 cait hm no drojf 15:16 tcohen @seen drojf 15:16 huginn tcohen: drojf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <drojf> hi #koha 15:29 andreashm cait: humm, AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout doesn't seem to do anything. still get a checkout message. weird. 15:29 andreashm ah, got to go again (dinner) bbl. 15:32 cait hmm 15:32 cait maybe it always warns... but lets you check out on the self check 15:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Similar change for staff <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdf4894c507f4bac6b2b79c7ca3b7a556d246ed5> / Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Mixup between mobile and smsalertnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b8d7168beb27342c4c483a0812e3a6789fabced> / Bug 14683: Unable to clear SMS number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co 16:50 tcohen @later tell eythian could you please provide one more Debian 8 box? The goal is to run MariaDB on it 16:50 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 16:52 tcohen @seen Joubu 16:52 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 1 hour, 43 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha 16:52 tcohen a week! 17:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14472: DBRev 3.21.00.026 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dfde8b85a6eeea4db4f79e35d6540d0bfc9cdf4> / Bug 12357: DBRev 3.21.00.025 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0618a9d31a1d98cc115564cb889bee1b958b358> / Bug 12357: Following whitespace failures on koha qa test tools. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc2452df238217efc06182 17:16 tcohen @later tell marcelr your patch for GetReserveFee broke the tests introduced by bug 14464. Please fix them ASAP 17:16 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:20 tcohen khall_away: why are spaces bad for passwordS? 17:32 magnuse tcohen: you had some preference for how we submit patches 17:32 magnuse with separate patches for different things 17:33 magnuse is that written down somewhere? 17:33 tcohen usually, but not mandatory, it is not written 17:34 tcohen we always say "separate patches for different things" is more readable 17:35 tcohen the only reference i can think of, is the section that says 'if you want to refactor something (tidy), first fix the problem, then provide a followup for the tidy) 17:35 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Refactoring_code 17:35 tcohen why? 17:37 tcohen @later tell cait http://snag.gy/0AV8v.jpg 17:37 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:37 magnuse thanks, tcohen 17:37 magnuse one of Viktor's hackers had a question about how to submit a large piece of work, in another channel 17:38 tcohen i tried to follow that on my Koha patches, and kohadevbox patches too 17:38 tcohen it is a good common practice 17:38 magnuse i seem to remember somethin about database-changes in a separate patch or something like that? 17:38 tcohen in a community like this, with many people involved... it is important to make things easy for others to test your patches... 17:38 tcohen magnuse: true 18:29 * andreashm waves 19:31 tcohen bye #koha 20:51 cait so quiet 20:54 cait magnuse: around? 21:11 bag hola 21:19 cait hola 22:00 ashimema mwah 22:02 cait go to bed? 22:11 ashimema can't untill I have this server fixed :'( 22:11 cait oh 22:12 cait so fix the server! 22:13 ashimema problem is.. 22:13 ashimema I only have a symptop.. every cause I can think of isn't the cause 22:13 ashimema I'm stuck 22:13 ashimema and tired :( 22:13 cait what's the symptom? *volunteers as rubber duck* 22:14 ashimema 403 for everything 22:14 ashimema on apache 2.4 22:14 ashimema only koha seems affected though :( 22:15 cait and it started suddenly? 22:15 ashimema somebody messed with the apt/sources.list file.. 22:16 ashimema change one line to stable instead of wheezy.. so the system got in a right state at unattended upgrade time. 22:16 wahanui ashimema: that doesn't look right 22:17 cait hm was wheezy still the old apache? 22:17 cait before it got messed up? 22:17 ashimema no idea 22:17 ashimema his server is now at jessie 22:17 ashimema not sure how many people out there are running koha on jessie 22:17 cait did you make sure the apache configu files got updated correctly? 22:17 ashimema in what sense? 22:18 ashimema I've been trying to work out what's wring with them all evening. 22:18 rangi jessie should be fine 22:18 cait if it was old apache before... that could explain maybe? 22:18 ashimema it was indeed old apache 22:18 rangi but the rules for access did change between apaches 22:19 ashimema yeah.. 22:19 ashimema is that all that's changed though? 22:19 cait [off] these are my notes, not sure if helpful... 22:19 rangi thats probably the cause of the 403 22:19 cait [off]https://librarygeekgirl.ssl-secured-server.de/wiki/doku.php?id=koha:apache2 22:19 cait can you get the packages to update them correctly? 22:20 cait my notes predate the correct fix in Koha... so... 22:20 rangi that permission denied problem looks like exactly the fix 22:21 ashimema ooh.. 22:21 ashimema [off] you actually added a further permission there 22:22 rangi yeah that first one is enough 22:23 cait i gave no guarantees :) 22:23 rangi Require all granted 22:23 rangi is what you need ashimema 22:23 ashimema ah.. thanks guys.. 22:23 ashimema that did the trick.. 22:23 * cait is jsut the rubber duck :) 22:23 ashimema I have updated the existing blocks.. 22:24 ashimema but I hadn't added that new one.. 22:24 ashimema did they go and change the bloody defaults behind my back to 'block everything' 22:24 ashimema seems so 22:24 rangi its a good default 22:24 rangi but a warning on upgrade would help 22:25 ashimema yeah.. it's a great default.. 22:25 ashimema just one I hadn't come accross yet.. 22:25 ashimema thanks guys 22:26 rangi i run a koha on debian unstable .. helps to bump into these things before they get into stable 22:27 rangi i probably should try to run early copies of ubuntu releases too 22:28 cait rangi: let him go back to bed :) 22:28 bag @wunder 97215 22:28 huginn bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 20.4°C (3:27 PM PDT on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 22:28 bag amazing day here 22:29 bag Hey rangi - my pats are playing your steelers thursday night ;) we should bet a pint on the game ;) 22:30 rangi heh you're on 22:33 ashimema rangi.. I've got a koha on jessie already.. didn't need that particular trick though.. 22:33 ashimema oh well 22:34 ashimema I'm off.. have a good day peeps 22:35 rangi cya ashimema 22:38 bag later ashimema 22:39 bag ok I’m back to cleaning the garage :) once Ginny is awake we’re going for a hike w00t w00t