IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-08

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01:18 myds hi
01:19 myds i'm trying to upgrade databse scema it throws error unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 345. unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 345. unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 345. unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 345. unab
01:20 myds please help
01:21 myds is anyone there?
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01:24 m24d hi
01:24 wahanui hey, m24d
01:25 m24d having problem uprade to 3.20
01:25 m24d can you help me please
01:26 m24d while upgrade database schema
01:26 m24d error - unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 345
01:27 rangi what command are you running when that occurs?
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01:28 m24d koha-upgrade-schema library
01:28 rangi as sudo?
01:29 m24d yes
01:29 rangi and library is the name of your instance that you made with koha-create right?
01:29 m24d got that
01:30 rangi because i get that error when i use the wrong name
01:30 rangi what does
01:30 rangi sudo koha-list
01:30 rangi tell you
01:30 m24d thankx buddy
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01:52 m24d how much time it would be take to yupgrade schema
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01:54 m24 how much time it would be take to upgrade database schema?
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01:58 rangi depends what version you are coming from, how big the db is, etc
01:59 Koha-abh got some errors
01:59 Koha-abh Your database has users with duplicate user logins. Please have your administrator deduplicate your user logins.
02:00 rangi yep, you'll have to get into the db and deduplicate them
02:00 Koha-abh Afterward, your Koha administrator should execute the following database query: ALTER TABLE borrowers DROP INDEX userid, ADD UNIQUE userid (userid)
02:00 rangi and then run that
02:02 Koha-abh can u please tell me , which tools i need to use to deduplicate entries
02:03 rangi mysql
02:04 Koha-abh and another error is
02:04 Koha-abh Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client) <b>Please check each of your frameworks to ensure your non-public item notes are mapped to items.itemnotes_nonpublic. After doing so please have your administrator run misc/ </b>)
02:04 Koha-abh ok
02:05 Koha-abh what is second entry
02:05 Koha-abh error?
02:06 rangi exactly what it says, I dont think I can explain it more, you need to check all your frameworks
02:06 rangi then run that that command
02:08 Koha-abh i'm really sorry for iterupting you
02:09 Koha-abh but what is framework ?
02:09 wahanui i heard framework was gone.
02:09 rangi ahh you'll want to look at the manual for that
02:09 rangi 2 secs
02:09 Koha-abh ok
02:10 rangi http://translate.koha-communit[…]marcbibframeworks
02:10 Koha-abh got that
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02:45 tcohen hi fellows
02:45 rangi hi tcohen
02:45 tcohen hey rangi
02:47 tcohen rangi: i asked eythian maybe we could substitute the u12+maria node with a jessie+maria?
02:47 tcohen what do u think?
02:47 wahanui do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false?
03:13 dcook Hmm... Bugzilla thinks I'm suspicious...
03:14 rangi tcohen: sounds good to me
03:15 dcook Ahh, looks like one patch was missing a description..
03:16 tcohen hi dcook
03:16 dcook heya tcohen :)
03:16 dcook How's life treating you?
03:17 tcohen I prefer not to complain in public :-D
03:17 dcook hehe
03:17 dcook Wise move ;)
03:22 tcohen i'm doing great, trying to have the plack integration tested for the release
03:23 tcohen not enough feedback yet, but lots of bugfixes pushed, same for enhancements, so cool
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04:18 dcook @later tell tcohen That's cool :). I keep meaning to do a Plack instance here on a non-Debian platform...
04:18 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
04:19 dcook Huzzah. First iteration of the OAI-PMH code is uploaded to Bugzilla :)
04:19 * dcook wants all the feedback from all the people
04:21 wizzyrea neat! what's the bug number?
04:21 dcook bug 10662 I think
04:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P1 - high, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
04:21 dcook :D
04:21 dcook I don't know why that says high..
04:22 * dcook fixes that
04:22 dcook I think it's a bit like Frankenstein's monster, since I first started with the idea 2 years ago
04:23 dcook And I'm not 100% sure what web users would need to do, but I think the core functionality is there
04:24 dcook Still not 100% sure about the import mechanism but I think it makes about as much sense as it can
04:24 * dcook would love for someone to prove him wrong, and to use their idea :p
04:25 dcook Someone asked me recently if I was precious about my code, and I was saying that I have no problem with people pointing out problems, especially if they have solutions
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05:59 dcook No eythian until the 16th? :(
05:59 dcook Err 17th
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06:29 reiveune hello
06:40 * magnuse waves
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06:46 magnuse dcook++ for submitting the oai-pmh harvester
06:48 dcook :)
06:48 dcook thanks magnuse
06:48 dcook (also hey reiveune)
06:48 magnuse magnuse-- for not having time to test it
06:48 huginn magnuse: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
06:48 reiveune :)
06:48 dcook I'm sure it has lots of problems, but hopefully people can provide feedback
06:48 dcook I'm sure Andreas and his people will at the very least, which is good
06:48 dcook And I think Viktor and some folks in France might too
06:49 dcook Thanks for all your encouragement over the years with it, magnuse. It's helped a lot!
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07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 wahanui hi, alex_a
07:04 magnuse dcook: my pleasure!
07:06 dcook :D
07:06 dcook On that note, I'm going to head home and make dinner for my wife
07:06 dcook laters!
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07:09 drojf morning #koha
07:10 drojf dcook++
07:10 cait morning drojf
07:10 cait yeah, cool development :)
07:10 drojf hi cait
07:15 magnuse moin drojf und cait
07:15 cait moin magnuse
07:17 drojf hei magnuse
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07:41 * andreashm waves
07:41 * ashimema claps
07:41 andreashm woho, OAI-PMH harvester!
07:41 andreashm bug 10662
07:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
07:41 andreashm dcook++
07:42 cait morning ashimema
07:42 cait morning andreashm :)
07:43 andreashm morning cait
07:43 cait i hear 'cookies' from the kitchen
07:43 cait brb
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07:53 gaetan_B hello
07:53 andreashm hi gaetan!
07:54 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
07:54 * magnuse wishes the oai-pmh harvester good speed through qa
07:55 * andreashm too
07:57 andreashm I would like to start looking at it right away, but is currently busy with considering holds (again)
07:59 ashimema dcook++
07:59 andreashm anyone here have experience with multiple branches, where holds are limited per branch? (i.e., not send holds between libraries/branches... but also not limiting patrons to any one branch)
08:01 andreashm Also, it is possible to place several item level holds for a patron somehow? It is not permitted in the staff interface, but maybe using some API/endpoint? (ILS-DI or SIP2 perhaps?)
08:03 magnuse isn't there a bug about that?
08:03 andreashm I havent found one. But guess I should go back to bugzilla and check again
08:04 magnuse bug 4249?
08:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't place multiple holds if one record has no holdable items (staff)
08:04 magnuse bug 14695 was the one i was thinking about
08:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron
08:05 andreashm thanks
08:05 magnuse bug 7717
08:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7717 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Multiple Identical Holds
08:05 magnuse not sure if that might be a duplicate
08:05 magnuse bug 7710
08:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , multiple holds per title
08:06 andreashm oh, there was a lot of them
08:06 andreashm magnuse++
08:06 andreashm my bugzilla-fu is low
08:06 magnuse yeah, i have no idea how thay relate to each other...
08:07 andreashm Most seem old.
08:07 magnuse yup
08:07 magnuse except 14695
08:07 andreashm 14695 seems the most recent - a restart.
08:08 andreashm exactly
08:08 magnuse 7710 is in discussion
08:08 magnuse if some look like duplicates, feel free to mark them as such
08:10 andreashm also bug 12085
08:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, In Discussion , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron
08:11 andreashm yeah, 7710 seems kind of alive, stuck in discussion
08:14 andreashm unsure how 7710 and 14695 relate to each other.
08:17 cait yeah it hink those are duplicates
08:17 cait not sure how it got forgotten
08:17 cait :)
08:18 cait if it's ar estart, maybe we should link them and close the old one?
08:20 andreashm probably
08:20 wahanui probably is not, but i do not know another way
08:22 andreashm cait: you mentioned that I should look at branch transfer limits to possible limit holds to a branch. but I can't see that they affect holds... just transfers in general. or am I mistaken?
08:23 cait hm i think they should also affect where you can return an item
08:23 cait we shoudl try to summon khall later... he module maintains holds... might have ideas :)
08:26 andreashm sounds like a good idea
08:26 magnuse wahanui: forget probably
08:26 wahanui magnuse: I forgot probably
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08:32 nlegrand hey #koha
08:33 cait andreashm: i am looking in our ticket system... i think i have alibrary that doesn't allow sending books to each other
08:33 andreashm cait: oh, interesting!
08:33 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:33 andreashm damn you wahanui! =)
08:34 andreashm cait: I would be very interested to hear more about their set-up
08:34 cait hm but might be int works for them because it's bound to the students home library, will see
08:34 andreashm yeah, that could be it of course.
08:35 andreashm (And we also want to continue to tranfser books between libraries... but only for returns, not holds going out)
08:35 cait they have the tranport rules turned on
08:35 cait and only a - a is checked
08:35 cait ah
08:36 cait hm for the itemtypes
08:36 andreashm ours seem to be a complicated set-up.
08:36 cait they have set 'from home library'
08:37 cait but this seems to mix in the home library of the patron
08:37 cait and return policy is 'item returns home'
08:37 cait holds are always complicated
08:37 cait whatever the system it seems
08:38 cait i wonder if you can influence the holds policy by itemtype
08:38 cait with one of the system preferences
08:38 andreashm I was wondering that too.
08:38 cait HomeOrHoldingBranch
08:38 wahanui rumour has it HomeOrHoldingBranch is there to tell which of the two fields of items homebranch or holdingbranch is to be considered in circulation
08:38 andreashm I thought you could, but haven't found anything.
08:38 cait and circcontrol
08:38 wahanui hmmm... circcontrol is set to...
08:40 cait hm ok, wht you want to do is that they can place holds in any branch
08:40 cait but the pickup branch is the home branch of the item (no transports)
08:40 cait right?
08:40 andreashm homeorholdingbranch is set to "library the item is from" currently
08:40 cait and then they can return it anywhere and it will be sent back home
08:40 andreashm cait: yup
08:41 cait not that unusual really, i think it shoudl work somehow. hm.
08:41 andreashm so any holds placed on library A doesn't care about available items/holds on items (from the same bib) at library B
08:42 andreashm preferably, we would also like to limit between item types, but that might be over-reaching at the moment (it could be seperated with branch instead, although a bit clunky). This is to avoid patrons being anoyed when the reserve a book an end up with a books from the text-book collection, with a loan period of only 7 days.
08:43 andreashm I didn't think our set-up was that unusual either... was surprised to not find any syspref's that did what I wnted it to do. =P
08:43 cait holds are really tricky, so many ideas about them
08:44 andreashm I can imagine.
08:44 cait i think i'd try to pikc wizzyrea's or kyle's minds about it
08:45 andreashm I'll try to do that.
08:45 cait or even the mailing list
08:45 andreashm see if they're around later
08:46 andreashm mailing list might be a good idea too.
08:47 cait i was plannign to gather all the holds related preferneces and config options in a documentation... but never get around to it
08:47 andreashm that sounds like a brilliant idea... and something that would take a long time, and require a lot of patience too! =)
08:48 cait yeah... i gues that'sthe problem :)
08:54 cdickinson @later tell rangi got it working again:
08:54 huginn cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
08:57 drojf i wonder what to do with the philippines kohacon proposal, given that the national library is not involved (anymore) but the proposal was not changed
08:58 drojf it is still listed as conference location and hosting institution
09:07 drojf i added it to the meeting agenda
09:07 drojf it should be dealt with before we start voting. not sure how though
09:09 cdickinson quick question
09:09 cdickinson does any part of Koha need to be refreshed if koha-conf.xml is updated?
09:09 cdickinson for example, Zebra?
09:11 magnuse cdickinson: restarting zebra might be a good idea
09:14 * magnuse needs fresh air and food
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10:04 putti Joubu, online?
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10:19 cait putti: i think he is not here this week
10:19 cait @seen Joubu
10:19 huginn cait: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha
10:20 putti cait, okay
10:20 putti cait, I wouldn't have needed him, anyways :D
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11:54 cdickinson @later tell rangi got fully functional and configurable Koha sites, with no hacks or tricks or anything. memcached is enabled, still need to separate Zebra, but that will come.
11:54 huginn cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
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12:17 cdickinson @later tell rangi sorry for the later message flood, but I just launched a second concurrent Koha instance, and it works with the Koha site I created on the first one. So load balancing is ready to go as well
12:17 huginn cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
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12:24 magnuse hiya nlegrand
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12:28 nlegrand o/ magnuse :)
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12:36 nengard morning all
12:36 magnuse kia ora nengard
12:36 nengard :)
12:38 kivilahtio_ hi nengard
12:40 magnuse hiya kivilahtio_
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12:42 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
12:46 tcohen hola!
12:49 kivilahtio_ hola tcohen
12:51 tcohen hola kivilahtio_
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13:03 druthb magnuse!  tcohen!  nengard!  :D  Mornin'.
13:03 nengard druthb!
13:03 nengard hehe
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13:05 magnuse druthb!
13:05 wahanui druthb is, like, an amazing person
13:05 * druthb stomps her foot.
13:06 druthb Who told you that, wahanui?  :P
13:06 druthb Lies!  All lies!
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13:08 druthb drojf!  :D
13:09 drojf druthb! :)
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13:18 schnydszch good afternoon koha community!
13:20 magnuse hiya schnydszch
13:20 kivilahtio hi schnydszch
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13:31 schnydszch hi magnuse
13:31 schnydszch hi kivilahtio
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14:39 schnydszch hello all! is there a way of linking the authorities in koha? link 550$a to 001 or control no.? linking done by adding 550$0 of the term
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15:28 schnydszch tried it
15:28 schnydszch it worked. I got "Thanks for voting! :)"
15:28 schnydszch did it count? ;)
15:29 drojf yes it did :)
15:29 drojf thanks for trying
15:29 schnydszch great! :)
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15:33 drojf schnydszch: would you happen to know what is the planning for the philippines proposal now? AFAIR the national library was no option anymore, but it is still given as hosting organisation and conference location in the wiki
15:33 cait you were too slow
15:33 drojf oh, did not see that
15:33 cait maybe a later?
15:36 drojf @later schnydszch would you happen to know what is the planning for the philippines proposal now? AFAIR the national library was no option anymore, but it is still given as hosting organisation and conference location in the wiki
15:36 huginn drojf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:36 drojf meh
15:36 drojf @later tell schnydszch would you happen to know what is the planning for the philippines proposal now? AFAIR the national library was no option anymore, but it is still given as hosting organisation and conference location in the wiki
15:36 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
15:37 cait oleonard++
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15:58 reiveune bye
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17:34 tcohen hi drojf
17:35 drojf hi tcohen
17:39 tcohen drojf: did u manage to start the vagrant vm?
17:41 drojf tcohen: my notebook broke and i lost 2,5 days. probably no time to try this week :(
17:41 tcohen 'this week', there is hope next then :-D
17:41 drojf sure
17:42 tcohen i'm finding interesting plack bugs
17:42 drojf nice ;)
17:49 tcohen @seen marcelr
17:49 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 5 days, 0 hours, 49 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <marcelr> have to go; bye all
18:17 gaetan_B bye
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18:31 nitz0 Hi ppl. I'm new with Koha. I was reading wiki information and found that there is a link ([…]_Preferences_RFC) wich category is: Abandoned RFC. That means that there is no Import/Export option 'cause it was never discused? (sorry my english).
18:34 pianohacker nitz0: correct, never discussed or implemented
18:35 nitz0 thx pianohacker
18:35 pianohacker looking for bugs...
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18:37 pianohacker nitz0: it doesn't look like a bug exists. If you're interested, I'd recommend sending an email to the mailing list
18:42 nitz0 Uhm, maybe in the future. Now I'm just studying Koha. I installed it yesterday and I want to copy a working Koha DB from a working server. Anyway, its great to use BitchX again and see that IRC is alive.
18:45 nitz0 A work partner send me a file with some information he considered is useful for that purpose.
18:45 pianohacker nitz0: Fair :) Make sure to look at the command line tool koha-mysqldump
18:46 nitz0 right now
18:46 wahanui well, right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works?
18:46 pianohacker nitz0: by the way, wahanui is a chatbot, so ignore it :)
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18:50 nitz0 great /msg wahanui help, right?
19:00 xarragon Has anyone gotten the drag-and-drop-functionality of jstree to work in Koha?
19:00 xarragon I would need it to reorder a set of hierarctical data.. Biut can'ät it to work at all.
19:01 xarragon The official documentation is kind of broken unfortunately,
19:05 xarragon When I look in the JS file it does seem to have the plugin available.
19:06 xarragon And I do the editor tree displayed.. But I can not trigger any DND events nor get it to do anything. No errors in the web console. Tried Firefox and Chrome
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19:20 xarragon Ahaa, seems like I needed to dump the script element into the body, not in the ready JS handler..
19:24 xarragon Opps, no, it was just the ul/li missing the classes needed.
19:36 nitz0 /away
19:36 nitz0 oops
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20:08 tcohen bye #koha
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20:13 rangi woot
20:14 nengard hola rangi
20:14 rangi hey nengard :)
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20:20 rangi @later tell cdickinson awesome!!
20:20 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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20:23 Rickx Hello everyone,  I would ask if there is any routine or similar process to a cronjob you can run daily and generate the .mrc of the bibliographic records. Something similar to what makes cgi-bin/koha/tools/ but from a cronjob ??
20:26 cait hm can't you run as a cronjob?
20:26 Rickx I do not know how to do it
20:27 cait that should actually work, as can be used from command line
20:27 Rickx Could you show me an example of how to do?
20:29 cait sorry, I don't have the time right now
20:29 cait try running it from command line first
20:29 Rickx i run perl in the command line but the result is codigo html
20:29 cait before you try automating it
20:30 cait codigo?
20:30 Rickx source
20:30 Rickx code
20:30 cait hm try without perl
20:31 Rickx ok
20:31 cait and add -h maybe - see if it shows you otpions
20:31 cait ah --help
20:32 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "$ perl tools/ --h exp" (24 lines) at
20:33 cait thanks rangi
20:33 cait Rickx: take a look at the link there, it shows an example
20:33 Rickx thank you
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20:59 cait be rangi
20:59 wahanui There's a bug for that
21:00 cait be rangi
21:00 wahanui Send a patch!
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21:00 cait hi tcohen :)
21:02 Francesca good morning
21:02 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
21:03 cait hi Francesca
21:04 Francesca hey cait :)
21:04 Francesca how are you?
21:05 Francesca @wunder wlg
21:05 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on September 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
21:05 tcohen hi cait :-D
21:05 tcohen hi Francesca
21:05 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:05 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 21.0°C (6:00 PM ART on September 08, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
21:05 Francesca hey tcohen
21:06 Francesca sup?
21:06 wahanui everything.
21:06 cait getting colder here
21:06 cait brr
21:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 14.9°C (11:05 PM CEST on September 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
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21:06 Francesca its getting warmer here, finally
21:06 cait it feels colder :)
21:07 Francesca still warmer in your part of the world though :)
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21:23 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
21:23 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on September 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
21:32 nitz0 bye ppl! thx.
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22:10 tcohen cait++
22:10 cait hm?
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23:44 martian Hi, IT just upgraded the test machine to koha 3.16
23:44 martian and we ran into a problem "Staff members are not allowed to access patron's checkout history"
23:45 martian never had that problem before.  the staff member is already set to superlibrarian
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23:55 martian has anyone have the same problem?

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