IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-28

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00:15 rangi i think i just fixed a bug that had been annoying me for ages
00:15 rangi if ( defined($context->{db_driver}) && $context->{db_driver} eq 'mysql' && $context->{"dbh"} ) {
00:15 rangi in dbh in C4::Context
00:16 rangi means, we dont even chekc we are still connnected, we just hand back a dbh object (that may have lost its connection) if we are using mysql
00:16 rangi i made it
00:16 rangi if ( defined($context->{db_driver}) && $context->{db_driver} eq 'mysql' && $context->{"dbh"} && $context->{"dbh"}->do("SELECT 1") ) {
00:16 rangi and now
00:16 rangi we get
00:16 rangi Mon Jul 27 20:01:38 2015] DBD::mysql::db do failed: MySQL server has gone away at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 849.
00:17 rangi and it gets a fresh connection
00:19 wizzyrea \o/ best kind of fix :D
00:20 rangi makes running Koha under persistance actually safe
00:20 rangi well sager
00:20 rangi safer too
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00:29 * Francesca waves at wizzyrea and rangi
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03:32 kivilahtio wow, I thought I really need a beat for today... and I got one :)
03:32 kivilahtio
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06:42 AmitG hi all
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06:49 reiveune hello
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
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07:26 gaetan_B hello
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07:44 cait morning #koha
07:46 AmitG hi cait
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07:51 drojf morning
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08:51 lari Hey, I'm working with server-side form validations such as emails and phone numbers and it seems we are using only Email::Valid for now. Instead of having different validators here and there, I think a better idea would be to include all of the validations into one place. Any thoughts?
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09:04 cait lari: what do you mean by different validators?
09:04 kivilahtio lari: sounds incredibly cool!
09:04 kivilahtio lari: I am all in for centralizing duplicated code
09:12 lari cait: For now it appears we only have form validation for e-mails, but in my library we have a validation for phone numbers as well. It would be nice to have these both and maybe something else , all in one place, and bring it out for the community. :)
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09:13 seltmann hello all
09:14 cait hi seltmann
09:14 seltmann i have a question: it seems that koha is using smtp to localhost:25 to send mails. is there a way to configure that so it is using sendmail? point is, the server running koha does not provide an smtp server
09:14 cait lari: I think one reason we stayed away from phone numbers is that it's not easy to define a general format
09:15 cait lari: but solvable issues i think - maybe could be optional
09:15 cait seltmann: hm it should be using your mta
09:15 cait whatever you use
09:16 seltmann im using nullmailer, so the sendmail executable is normally used. nullmailer does not expose an smtp-server at port 25
09:17 cait drojf: kivilahtio?
09:17 wahanui kivilahtio is working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha
09:18 cait i am not a system administrator - so I don't set up these things. My impression is that people use different things, nullmailer, sendmail, exim - and it's configured outside of Koha
09:18 kivilahtio seltmann: apt-get install postfix
09:18 kivilahtio dpkg-reconfigure postfix
09:19 kivilahtio then use it as a satellite system to prxy email sending through some email server
09:19 kivilahtio seltmann: that is how I do it. I don't know of any other implemetnations. Propably you can mek it work however you want with much effort
09:20 kivilahtio seltmann: what I would do had I the need to host our own email servers, create a new LXC container which receives the email proxy requests from Koha.
09:20 kivilahtio Email is far from my field of expertise and my interestes :)
09:20 cait kivilahtio: not sure if that wouldn't be a bit much if they just want to test :)
09:21 kivilahtio cait: the most easiest solution is to sconfigure sendmail to send mail via a proxy
09:22 kivilahtio for, ex through Google
09:22 cait ew ;)
09:22 kivilahtio for testing purposes...
09:22 kivilahtio I know how you feel
09:22 drojf i tried to configure nullmailer once and decided to stay away from it. i think there is an article in the wiki about using postfix with a smarthost (like, google, or your own, but a pre-defined account)
09:25 drojf (that worked for me so i never touched any mta-related stuff again ;)
09:26 seltmann alright. i try a different approach then. thanks
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11:22 vfernandes hi :)
11:23 vfernandes there is a problem with Koha RSS search results:[…]ranch_group_limit
11:24 vfernandes[…]e_dsc&format=rss2
11:29 cait vfernandes: it's patched for the newest versions i think
11:29 cait next release
11:29 cait bug 14524
11:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14524 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Result list RSS feed broken
11:30 vfernandes cait thats an encoding problem
11:30 vfernandes my problem is with the RSS structure
11:30 vfernandes look at the second link
11:31 vfernandes the RSS doesn't look correct
11:35 cait it doesn't work for me at all in 3.18
11:35 cait or 3.16 - caused by the latest security fixes
11:36 cait firefox doesn't show me the xml - only offers to subscribe for a dynamic bookmark and that remains empty
11:38 vfernandes humm on FF the link works fine
11:42 cait i might have an older problem
11:42 cait i had the same problem with the bug above
11:42 cait are you sure the patch doesn't fix the problem?
11:43 vfernandes I solve the problem of URL encoding using jQuery
11:43 vfernandes the RSS is now working correctly
11:43 vfernandes the patch should solve the problem
11:51 cait cool :)
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12:25 tcohen morning
12:27 cait morning tcohen :)
12:27 tcohen hi cait
12:27 tcohen khall: is this patch yours?[…]ment.cgi?id=41183
12:28 khall tcohen: nope, doesn't look like mine
12:28 khall tcohen: looks like it was first uploaded by
12:29 tcohen khall: thanks
12:29 khall np!
12:31 drojf khall: do you have a virtual appliance of 3.16 available? someone on the zebra list says he got 3.16 from your website, but i only see 3.8
12:32 khall not that I'm aware of drojf
12:33 drojf curious :) maybe he did an upgrade
12:37 gaetan_B Stéphane is reiveune here if that helps tcohen
12:39 tcohen gaetan_B: it's ok, I'm just looking at bug 10961
12:39 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10961 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Error in GetMarcBiblio can cause severe data loss
12:39 tcohen I will ammend the original patch
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12:44 tcohen gaetan_B: stephane's patch has a problem, is he around?
12:47 nlegrand Hey #koha
12:47 tcohen hi nlegrand
12:47 nlegrand hey tcohen :)
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12:49 nlegrand I'm still lost in plugins, I don't understand a part of Koha/ in function GetPlugins: my @plugin_classes = $self->plugins(); (line 61)
12:50 reiveune tcohen: ping
12:50 nlegrand And when I try to use the function as said in "Usage": $ perl -MKoha::Plugins -E 'say Koha::Plugins::GetPlugins("report")'
12:50 nlegrand Can't locate object method "plugins" via package "report" (perhaps you forgot to load "report"?) at /home/koha/koha-src/Koha/ line 61.
12:50 nlegrand Well, if you're not far away khall maybe you'll have some inputs? ^^
12:51 khall nlegrand: I do believe that is inherited from Module::Pluggable
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12:56 khall nlegrand: also, you nee to instantiate the object
12:56 khall Koha::Plugins->new({ enable_plugins => 1 })->GetPlugins( 'report' );
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12:59 nlegrand khall: ho right, thanks :)
12:59 khall np!
13:02 gaetan_B tcohen: reiveune is Stéphane
13:03 tcohen gaetan_B: thanks
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13:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13948: DBRev <[…]7c2b2e45160658c90> / Bug 13948: Prevent explosion when Template::Plugin::Stash not installed <[…]c02430cba761d3def> / Bug 13948: (QA followup) Make dependency optional <[…]=koha.git;a=commi
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14:27 cait khall: interesting! bug 14610 - do you have specs for that? :)
14:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add ability to place document delivery / article requests in Koha
14:27 khall I'm starting on it right now. I wrote one already that piggy-backed off the holds system, but I don't like that so I'm starting fresh
14:28 cait we have a library that might be interested in that
14:29 khall it's nothing too complicated. Patrons pick a record and tell the library what the title, author, pages etc of the part of the book they want are
14:29 cait sounds good
14:29 cait maybe if it's already an article, you could pull the information from 773
14:29 vfernandes exit
14:30 khall cait: my plan is to add it to the circ rules
14:30 cait for which items to offere the document delivery option?
14:30 khall cait: yes, that is correct.
14:30 cait hmm
14:30 cait so it's linked to an item, not the record?
14:31 khall I don't want to assume a record has a 773 but that would be pretty nice as an addition!
14:31 khall cait: I'm going to make the selection similar to how we do holds so they can choose just the record, or a specific item
14:31 cait khall: the problem is - the record might have no item :)
14:31 cait if it's electronic
14:31 cait that's what i am puzzling about right now
14:32 cait or if it's an analytic
14:32 cait i know... i tend to complicate things...
14:32 khall cait: the request will never have to be linked to a specific item, and nothing will stop a patron from being able to make requests on bibs with no items
14:32 cait but something i think that needs to be decided in the very beginning
14:33 cait i will wait to see waht you come up with :)
14:33 cait it's certainly interesting and something i have been asked about
14:33 khall I'll let you know when it's worth looking at!
14:33 cait and if you could keep in mind my 'no items on the record' use case it owuld be great :)
14:33 khall cait: will do!
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16:03 reiveune bye
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16:31 gaetan_B bye !
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17:46 xarragon Is it normal to have a 999 field magically appended to a record retrieved using GetMarcBiblio
17:48 tcohen xarragon: i think it will append whatever is mapped
17:49 tcohen i mean, whatever field+subfield biblio.biblionumber is mapped to
17:53 xarragon Well in this case it is a test where I build records manually using Test::builder, send them through a bunch of underlying data processing usbroutines. Then as the final test I just retrieve the record using GetMarcBiblio, at which point the 999 tag is magically added somehow.
17:54 xarragon Hence my tests fails, as they expect the clean record (only having tag 245, subfield a and c).
17:55 tcohen you need to fix the tests, to address that current behaviour
17:55 tcohen because I'm sure it is a feature, not a bug
17:57 xarragon Yeah I guess. When I add the fields manually, with the value 48 (earlier output), they get tunred into the value 52.
17:58 xarragon That seems to happen in _koha_marc_update_bib_ids
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18:02 xarragon Weird thing is I cant find any info on what tag 999 even is
18:03 xarragon " locally-defined MARC 21 field 999"
18:11 jcamins @marc 999
18:11 huginn` jcamins: unknown tag 999
18:11 jcamins @marc 952
18:11 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at[…]_fields_%289xx%29
18:11 huginn` jcamins: unknown tag 952
18:11 jcamins I believe that page also describes 999.
18:26 xarragon Many thanks!
18:26 xarragon I guess it also depends on what framworks are in use, and whether I set those prefs in the test code.
18:27 jcamins Basically 999 is inviolable.
18:27 tcohen xarragon: the marc framework <-> koha table mapping is applied no matter what framework you use
18:28 drojf there is no 999 on that wiki page, just 995 :P
18:28 jcamins In order for Koha to still be useful you would have to update the Zebra configuration too.
18:29 tcohen xarragon: do SELECT frameworkcode,tagfield,tagsubfield FROM marc_subfield_structure WHERE kohafield="biblio.biblionumber";
18:29 tcohen change the mapping to (for example 995$s) and repeat the SELECT
18:29 wahanui tcohen: that doesn't look right
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19:36 bag anyone ever seen - unable to return item?  Like I just can’t check an item in
19:36 bag so weird
20:17 drojf bag: try thinking like an item. what would make you unreturnable?
20:18 drojf but seriously, never seen it
20:18 bag the item wants to keep making fine money - so it refuses to return
20:18 drojf heh
20:19 bag if I was an item - I would want to be shelved with the cooking books?
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20:40 cait hi #koha
20:52 cait @later tell pianohacker ping me when you are around?
20:52 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
20:53 tmcmahon I'm testing 3.20.02 for an upgrade to an old version of Koha (3.06.04) and was wondering if there are any known problems or changes with the hotkeys or accesskeys in the new version intranet interface.
20:53 bag hey cait pianohacker will be back tomorrow (he’s on a vacation day today)
20:54 cait cool, no hurry :)
20:54 cait tmcmahon: hm there are not many hotkeys in Koha - are you thinking of something speicific?
20:59 tmcmahon cait: On the old version, check out was U, check in was R and search was Q.  The current one has check out=R, check in=Q and search the catalog=U.
21:00 cait hm i am not aware of a change there - not sure when it happened or why
21:02 bag hmm I didn’t even know there were hotkeys like that!  I guess I really am a slave of the mouse
21:04 tmcmahon I think I'm the only one here who will notice.  I like to avoid the mouse if I can.
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21:07 drojf bug 11035
21:07 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11035 normal, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, CLOSED FIXED, Replace shortcut plugin jquery.hotkeys.min.js
21:08 rangi morning
21:08 bag afternoon rangi
21:08 tmcmahon huginn`: I think that was one that I saw when i was looking for info on it.  I figured this was different because it was marked closed and fixed.
21:08 huginn` tmcmahon: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:10 drojf tmcmahon: huginn` is just a bot :) the patch is newer than your old version
21:10 drojf hi rangi
21:11 * cait waves
21:12 tmcmahon It's been a while since I've been here.  Didn't recognize the bot name or what you said before I got the info.  Thanks drojf.
21:12 drojf tmcmahon: but as far as i understand the patch, it has the shortcuts you were used to
21:13 drojf so maybe that's not it
21:13 tmcmahon I'll check it out.
21:14 tmcmahon The patch is older than the new version that's not working the way I'm used to.
21:17 Francesca good morning
21:17 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
21:18 Francesca hmmm I may be actually inclined to agree with that this morning
21:23 Francesca wahanui: botsnack cookie
21:23 wahanui thanks Francesca :)
21:23 Francesca @wunder wlg
21:23 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 29, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
21:25 cait @wunder konstanz
21:25 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 16.9°C (11:24 PM CEST on July 28, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
21:25 Francesca wanna swap?
21:25 cait hmmm nope
21:25 Francesca can't blame you
21:25 Francesca you've got the warmer weather
21:31 drojf tmcmahon: shortcuts work for me as intended in master (latest devekeopment version)
21:31 drojf development even
21:33 cait Francesca: still not 'normal' for summer! :)
21:34 Francesca oh dear
21:34 Francesca but nicer than here!
21:34 Francesca I'd take slightly warmer but not normal summer over wellington winter any day
21:35 cait :)
21:36 cdickinson @wunder lower hutt
21:36 huginn` cdickinson: The current temperature in Waterloo, Lower Hutt, New Zealand is 8.5°C (9:30 AM NZST on July 29, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
21:36 cdickinson bleh
21:36 Francesca hey does that work for kelburn?
21:36 Francesca or brooklyn?
21:36 Francesca I'm curious now
21:36 cdickinson No idea
21:36 Francesca lets give it a try
21:36 Francesca @wunder kelburn
21:36 huginn` Francesca: Error: No such location could be found.
21:36 Francesca nope
21:37 cdickinson just a by the way, Lower Hutt is a city, not a suburb :P
21:37 Francesca fair enough
21:37 Francesca :P
21:37 Francesca IRC is an excellent distraction from early morning lectures
21:37 wizzyrea must have really been annoying that the wellington birthday party included lower hutt as a suburb of wellington :P
21:37 cdickinson get back to work, miss
21:38 cdickinson wizzyrea: I was there for that, it annoyed me abit
21:38 cdickinson but Petone got its own mention even though it's a suburb of Lower Hutt....
21:39 Francesca they didn't mention kilbirnie though
21:39 Francesca not that I could see very easily
21:39 Francesca hey wizzyrea :)
21:39 cdickinson well, you were facing the wrong way in the choir group so that's perfectly excusable, Francesca
21:40 Francesca yeah and when they repeated it at the end I ended up behind really tall people
21:41 cdickinson ahh, so you stayed behind to watch the rerun
21:41 Francesca yeah
21:41 Francesca They moved us into a VIP area
21:41 cdickinson but you were still stuck behind a tall person?
21:41 cdickinson Lame
21:42 Francesca yeah
21:43 Francesca I'm one of the shortest in the choir
21:43 cdickinson I know :P
21:43 Francesca oh shush
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21:45 cdickinson hopefully that's the only time you got the short end of the stick
21:45 drojf good night
21:45 wahanui I watch you sleep.
21:45 drojf nooooo
21:45 Francesca screepy
21:45 Francesca *creepy
21:46 cdickinson wow, the drama of my comment was totally ruined by wahanui
21:46 Francesca hahahaha upstaged by a bot :P
21:46 Francesca wahanui botsnack cookie
21:46 wahanui :)
21:46 cdickinson I guess I'll go sulk in the shower
21:46 Francesca hahahaha you do that
21:49 cait @later tell jajm can you please take a look at kyle's comment on bug 13321?
21:49 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
21:49 cait khall++
21:51 wizzyrea ah they talked about kilbirnie, it was one of the ones that scrolled past near Rongotai
21:51 wizzyrea it was like RONGOTAI and then "kilbirnie lyall bay houghton bay owhiro bay" because we're not special enough for our own slide. ^.^
22:00 wizzyrea eythian++ for telling me about why I was always having to use the whole stupid URL for pushing to git.
22:01 wizzyrea life better now.
22:11 cdickinson @later tell Francesca <wizzyrea> it was like RONGOTAI and then "kilbirnie lyall bay houghton bay owhiro bay" because we're not special enough for our own slide. ^.^
22:11 huginn` cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
22:12 cdickinson it made me chuckle
22:12 wizzyrea there's a video of it out there
22:12 wizzyrea I was sad, I would have thought that lyall bay was at least on par with rongotai :P
22:12 wizzyrea it's not rongotai bay, after all.
22:13 wizzyrea maybe it should be.
22:13 cdickinson yeah, Lyall Bay has THE beach in Wellington
22:13 wizzyrea that's a discussion for another day.
22:13 * wizzyrea lives in melrose, thusly looks at lyall bay every day.
22:13 wizzyrea and kiddo goes to the school in lyall bay.
22:13 * cdickinson lives in Naenae, where drug kids get busted every other day
22:14 wizzyrea I don't know if that's a sad trombone moment or not...
22:14 wizzyrea they took out the comfortable benches in the Kilbirnie town centre because people were "zoning out" on them
22:14 wizzyrea which is code for "there were too many bums so we put benches with armrests out"
22:15 wizzyrea which I think is really irritating.
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22:16 tcohen hi
22:16 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
22:16 cait hi tcohen
22:16 tcohen hi cait
22:17 cdickinson wizzyrea: well, they're not there during the day and normal people aren't usually around at night, so it boggles me why they care about that so much
22:17 cait hm path for bug 14517 doesn't apply for me :(
22:17 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14517 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Private lists browsing broken in translated staff interface
22:17 cait ah ok.. dependency
22:17 cait maybe it IS to late for this
22:17 cdickinson I don't think I could have said that any less insensitively
22:18 cait hm and dependency is failed qa
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22:39 eythian hi
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22:52 tcohen hi eythian
22:52 eythian g'day
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23:16 Francesca hi
23:20 Francesca anyone around?
23:21 tcohen hi Francesca
23:21 Francesca hey tchohen
23:22 Francesca oops tcohen
23:22 Francesca can't spell today
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