IRC log for #koha, 2015-06-30

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02:49 dcook I love the "Select all sample data" link...
02:51 wizzyrea cdickinson: you are wondering what I'm giggling about, just a warning, it's this:[…]ded&v=mVHJ6OwTYWc
02:54 dcook hehe
02:54 * dcook giggles as well
02:54 wizzyrea I am still shaking my head.
02:54 wizzyrea that is totally my new rickroll.
02:54 dcook Hehe
02:55 dcook Ok, it's starting to make my head want to explode
02:55 wizzyrea that makes it PERFECT.
02:55 dcook hehe
02:57 cdickinson reminds me of when I watch videos of people playing air horn pranks at people on golf courses
02:57 cdickinson man, those are gold
02:58 wizzyrea ^.^
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04:21 wizzyrea eythian++
04:21 eythian I just got a reply:
04:22 eythian > I want to change the password of Koha Admin. > Let me know the method.
04:22 rangi heh
04:22 eythian I do not see how that is in any way related.
04:22 wizzyrea if it's coming from someone who purports to be a Koha vendor, that isn't exactly an endorsement of their skills.
04:22 eythian no, it's not
04:22 eythian (that would be funnier)
04:23 * wizzyrea worries that their nonsense is going to ruin it for everyone.
04:24 wizzyrea as a self-curated yellow pages is almost sure to devolve into madness.
04:24 wizzyrea but I might be willing to let them do it.
04:24 AmitG heya wizzyrea
04:24 wahanui wizzyrea doesn't exist anymore
04:24 eythian I don't think it was that
04:25 wizzyrea hallo
04:25 eythian I think it was just an unrelated question
04:25 wizzyrea oh, no that wasn't directly linked logically to the email response you got
04:26 eythian oh, so it was like the email response I got then :)
04:26 wizzyrea more to the notion that if there is a lot of squabbling on the list I might just remove the list entirely from the website and put it on the wiki, for vendors to self curate.
04:27 dcook That might lead to even more of a storm though :/
04:28 * dcook isn't entirely sure what we're talking about but adds 2 cents as always
04:28 rangi dcook: no one will see it
04:28 rangi and it wont clog up the list
04:28 wizzyrea the recent ... I don't even know how to describe what's going on on the email list as relates to the vendor listings
04:29 wizzyrea fracas?
04:30 dcook Hmm, I guess I haven't looked at the list in a little while..
04:50 dcook Hmm..
04:50 dcook my ( $year, $month, $day ) = split ',', $today_iso;     # FIXME: iso dates don't have commas
04:50 * dcook wonders how that playso ut
04:50 dcook plays out*
04:51 eythian that seems like a strange thing to do
04:52 dcook Agreed
04:52 dcook Apparently you can put "YYYY-MM-DD" in as the default value in a MARC framework?
04:53 dcook And it's supposed to get transformed into the actual year, month, and day
04:54 eythian oh, nofty
04:54 eythian *nifty
04:54 dcook Yeah, I'd never heard of that before
04:54 dcook Not sure if it actually works
04:54 dcook Might quickly check..
04:55 dcook Hmm yep
04:55 dcook Looks like it does
04:55 dcook That's neat
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05:20 dcook Oh wow... that was a lot of emails..
05:29 dcook "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)"
05:29 dcook Random dashboard quote :)
05:29 eythian haha
05:31 eythian arg, I ordered something in the weekend, and the guy hasn't even shipped it yet, all I got was an email in reply to my "where is is already" query asking to show I was licensed for it (which I am.)
05:32 eythian (whereas all the other things I ordered in the weekend arrived already, but are useless until the main bit shows up.)
05:33 dcook :(
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06:25 * magnuse waves
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06:29 AmitG hi indradg
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06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 indradg hi all
06:44 indradg @seen magnuse
06:44 huginn` indradg: magnuse was last seen in #koha 18 minutes and 34 seconds ago: * magnuse waves
06:45 indradg hi magnuse, AmitG, wizzyrea, dcook, reiveune
06:45 reiveune hi :)
06:48 AmitG hi reivenue
06:48 AmitG @seen alex
06:48 huginn` AmitG: I have not seen alex.
06:48 AmitG @seen alex_a
06:48 huginn` AmitG: alex_a was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 41 minutes, and 1 second ago: <alex_a> AmitG: yep
06:52 magnuse hiya indradg et al
06:52 magnuse @wunder boo
06:52 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:53 indradg magnuse: you recently wrote up some sms::send driver for your local providers... didn't you?
06:54 magnuse nah, someone else wrote it (for Viktor), but i am the one running it on my server
06:56 magnuse indradg:
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06:57 indradg aha! i remembered Viktor posting about it
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06:58 indradg magnuse: a driver I wrote SMS::Send::IN::Unicel is working perfectly fine when I use it from any other perl script. but not from within Koha.
06:59 * indradg scratching head on how to debug it
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06:59 Viktor True indradg. I wrote about it on facebook. It was Eivin who wrote the driver and Magnuse who installed and helped with getting it configured and working on the servers.
07:00 indradg yes
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:03 AmitG hi alex_A
07:03 indradg good morning alex_a
07:10 magnuse indradg: firewall issues? or we had something similar, because the provider had messed up the ip address that we were supposed to be able to send from
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07:21 indradg magnuse: nope.. this is happening on the local machines, from which I can send out SMSes just fine
07:21 indradg there are no errors in the intranet-error.log
07:21 indradg but against the user's Notices tab, it is "failed"
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07:30 gaetan_B hello
07:31 kivilahtio hjello
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07:34 drojf morning
07:35 indradg hi gaetan_B kivilahtio drojf!
07:35 * indradg waves
07:35 drojf hi indradg
07:37 kivilahtio Oh man, there is no end for hte things that need refactoring
07:37 AmitG hi gaetan_B drojf
07:38 kivilahtio and when I think of making tests. I always end up with no way of setting up test context for permissions
07:38 dcook later y'all
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07:39 kivilahtio we should have a Koha::Permissions-library for CRUD:ing Koha permissions
07:39 kivilahtio like an easy to use interface for setting them up
07:40 kivilahtio If I write one, nobody will sign it off :(
07:41 drojf hi AmitG. sorry got disconnected
07:44 magnuse kivilahtio: try it, you might be pleasantly surprised :-)
07:44 kivilahtio magnuse: ok. I will make a nice Koha::Permission library to CRUd permissions in a more modern and nice way
07:44 kivilahtio magnuse: but how would I test it?
07:45 kivilahtio with Cucumber? which is experimental?
07:45 kivilahtio or selenium?
07:45 wahanui rumour has it selenium is more things like "perform this action, ensure that this is the result"
07:45 kivilahtio magnuse: I could just do unit test to test the core libraries
07:45 magnuse kivilahtio: you could just do regular unit tests?
07:45 gaetan_B kivilahtio: there are a lot of user requests for easier way to manage permissions actually
07:45 gaetan_B chances are you would get some testers ;)
07:46 magnuse gaetan_B: like group permissions?
07:46 kivilahtio gaetan_B: What I am hoping to do is enable creating permissions for test contexts
07:46 kivilahtio like refactor the permission management interface
07:46 gaetan_B magnuse: like having roles
07:46 kivilahtio well I will start iwth just creating a library to manage permissions
07:46 gaetan_B (which might not be what kivilahtio had in mind at all)
07:46 magnuse so you could create a group/role called cataloguers and give all of them the same permissions
07:46 kivilahtio gaetan_B: but now that you mentioned roles, I will make the library thinking of group permissions
07:46 kivilahtio gaetan_B: we have the same need
07:47 gaetan_B any large library will stumble on this issue indeed
07:47 kivilahtio gaetan_B: I have a TON of experimental stuff and I cannot bear it anymore. Something needs to move to master so I can progress.
07:47 kivilahtio and If I write the library which is easy to consume from a RESTful perspective, I'd hate for it to go stale :(
07:48 kivilahtio gaetan_B: I'll will draw a schematic of it. I will keep you and magnuse posted.
07:48 gaetan_B ok :)
07:56 magnuse great
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08:43 cait kivilahtio: koha::object and the new testbuilder maybe
08:43 kivilahtio cait: it doesnät set the borrowers.flags
08:43 cait i mean as a starting point
08:44 cait both are still quite new, so I wnated to mention them :)
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10:28 mtj hey #koha
10:29 mtj aah... i see Amit pinged me before - but hes not about
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10:32 magnuse mtj: there he is :-)
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11:03 kivilahtio magnuse: gaetan_B:[…]/edit?usp=sharing
11:03 khall is anyone aware of the reserveconstraints table actually doing anything? As far as I'm aware it's been vestigial for years. Can anyone dispute this?
11:04 kivilahtio I am fleshing out the Koha::Permission, or Koha::Auth::Permission namespace
11:08 mtj khall: ask rangi about that one ^
11:08 khall good idea
11:09 mtj i think it might well be vestigial now?
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11:19 cait khall: i think it is to be removed - there is a bug somewhere already
11:19 cait khall: my guess is it has to do with the broken serial holds without items feature
11:20 cait because we used to have different holds types
11:20 cait and holds on issues without items... but that's been broken before 3.2 i think?
11:20 khall it definitely seems to be causing problems for us
11:21 khall cait: it's bug 9809
11:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Get rid of reserveconstraints
11:22 cait khall: hm i have onyl seen it empty
11:22 cait are your problems realted to serial records?
11:22 khall same for me
11:22 khall cait: nope, our problem is related to opac-based holds
11:22 cait hm
11:22 cait can you describe?
11:22 khall they aren't being trapped when checked in at the destination library
11:23 khall instead, Koha just says to send the item back to the home library
11:23 cait hm
11:23 cait but why do yout hink reserveconstraint is to blame?
11:23 khall If I remove the reserveconstraints for the _Findgroupreserve query they get picked up
11:23 khall s/for/from/
11:23 cait hm
11:23 cait werid
11:23 cait because that's been there forever
11:23 khall yeah, never seen anything like it before
11:24 khall I feel like I haven't found the smoking gun yet
11:24 cait clues :)
11:24 khall but the problem is the first two queries are full joins with reserveconstraints so they always fail
11:24 cait what i know is: you really want to keep RoutingListAddReserves turned off
11:25 cait because that will create bad holds data
11:25 cait it's a sadly broken feature
11:25 cait and it can kill the ajaxy holds tables ando ther display things
11:25 khall that's no good!
11:25 cait ideally i'd like to see it revived... not removed tho :(
11:25 cait 'star' routing was cool when i first tested koha
11:26 cait bug 2894
11:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2894 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Routing list holds are broken
11:27 cait same for RenewSerialAddsSuggestion - also broken
11:40 cait khall: where do you see the full join?
11:41 khall I was recalling it wrong, the full join is for the holds queue stuff
11:41 cait i think it should be ok in FindGroup...
11:41 khall but still the reserve constaint stuff is causing the last query to not pick up the hold for some reason
11:41 khall even though it's a left join
11:42 cait hmmmmmm
11:43 cait do you have a reserves.contrainttype != a?
11:43 cait in your reserves table?
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12:45 Dyrcona Kia ora, #koha!
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12:57 khall @later tell Joubu I submitted a completed patch set for bug 9809 if you would sign off on it
12:57 huginn` khall: The operation succeeded.
12:57 khall cait ^
13:01 magnuse bug 9809
13:01 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Get rid of reserveconstraints
13:02 khall anyone can sign off on it. If someone else does Joubu would be able to qa it
13:09 tcohen morning!
13:13 kivilahtio tcohen: evening
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13:34 tcohen we should remove the "Paid support companies" section
13:45 indradg tcohen +1
13:46 cait we should move it to the wiki?
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13:53 indradg or (temporarily) drop India from the list of countries due to increased compliants
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16:00 indradg @wunder Kolkata
16:00 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 29.0°C (9:20 PM IST on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
16:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
16:15 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (5:50 PM CEST on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
16:15 drojf close ;)
16:15 nengard @wunder 78754
16:15 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in Four Seasons, Austin, Texas is 30.3°C (11:15 AM CDT on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
16:15 drojf ugh
16:15 nengard heh
16:15 nengard LOVE IT :) hehe
16:15 nengard well - not the clouds ...
16:15 drojf keep it :D
16:16 drojf we'll have 36 on saturday, some >40° Oo
16:16 cait thankfully i am on vacation from thursday on and can hide :P
16:16 nengard hehe
16:17 nengard summer is my fav time of year
16:17 drojf i visited my old work place. i forgot how nice the air condition there is
16:17 drojf i may go visit more often ;)
16:17 nengard hehe
16:22 drojf why would i get 082 when cataloguing in a certain framework, but not when editing said framework?
16:22 nengard if it's on the record when it was loaded in
16:22 nengard i think
16:23 drojf but it is a new record :)
16:23 nengard hmmmm
16:23 nengard .... i don't know :(
16:24 pianohacker drojf: that's really odd. You sure it's not just in the wrong place? The sorting can be funky, try a search
16:26 drojf it's in the fast add framework too. choose new record, fast add framework, there is 082. try to edit the fast add framework, it's not there
16:31 pianohacker drojf: is the underlying DB stuff okay?
16:31 pianohacker mysql> select * from marc_tag_structure where frameworkcode = '' AND tagfield like '08%';
16:32 pianohacker (replacing the frameworkcode with the correct one, of course)
16:32 drojf i installed it today, not much time to break :D
16:32 drojf but maybe its an error in the german translation
16:34 drojf not in the db
16:34 drojf how does it come up in cataloguing then? :D
16:34 pianohacker is it in the default framework?
16:35 drojf yes
16:36 drojf interesting
16:36 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
16:37 pianohacker drojf: there might be some kind of fallback mechanism, might be worth changing the description in the default framework and seeing if the changes show up in the other framework.
16:39 drojf actually, it has no description in the cataloguing window
16:39 pianohacker what the crap?
16:39 pianohacker what version?
16:39 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top
16:40 pianohacker huh, that was an actually helpful chatbot comment
16:40 drojf there is no 082 field without description in the whole table
16:40 drojf 3.18.latest 8 or what it is
16:41 pianohacker every time I dive into addbiblio I'm reminded how much I want it to die a horrible death
16:41 drojf lol
16:42 drojf not diving anywhere anymore today. will add 082, delete it and see what happens
16:43 drojf at least it took the name of the added one
16:44 drojf aaaand it's gone
16:44 drojf spooky ghost field
16:45 drojf 'someone' should check that. but not me :P at least not today
16:46 drojf would be interesting to know what it does if you use the ghost field to enter data
16:50 pianohacker drojf: you say interesting, I hear catalogers running screaming into the night
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16:54 drojf it's in marc21_fastadd_framework.sql. it adds 082 subfields, but not the containing 082 field
16:55 drojf so the question is, do we want the field added or the subfields removed?
16:59 drojf bug 14478
16:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14478 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fast Add Framework contains no 082 field but 082 subfields
17:00 drojf will fix it in the next days if nobody does it earlier
17:07 drojf lol. can edit advanced constraints for all subfields of 100, but not t. just won't open
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17:12 drojf and setting subfields in 245 to collapsed has no effect, but it does work for other fields
17:14 cait hm try removing the mandatory on a?
17:15 drojf still does not work
17:17 drojf ah
17:17 drojf removing mandatory for 245 (field level) worked
17:17 cait 2 points!
17:17 cait ok... 1 point because it was on field level :P
17:18 cait bye all :)
17:18 drojf if you also fix the bug ;)
17:18 drojf cait++
17:18 drojf bye cait
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17:19 drojf 1,5 points, its also broken if i only use mandatory for a
17:20 gaetan_B bye
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17:54 * magnuse waves
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17:56 drojf hei magnuse
17:58 magnuse moin drojf
17:58 magnuse ...and nengard
17:58 magnuse ...and sophie_m
17:58 sophie_m bonsoir magnuse
17:58 nengard hola all
17:59 magnuse :-)
18:03 drojf there i wondered if i had not tested something about default indicators a long time ago, and then i found i actually tried to save somebody's (then 2,5 year old) patch 2,5 years ago.
18:03 drojf oh no it was only 1,5 years old back then ;)
18:10 magnuse drojf: time flies...
18:10 drojf and i still don't have default indicators :/
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18:22 magnuse :-(
18:23 cait the bug is still there i think
18:23 drojf bug 4888
18:23 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, salva, Failed QA , pre-set of field indicators value
18:24 drojf but it did not do what i am looking for, at least that is what i wrote there
18:26 magnuse maybe it does now? :-)
18:26 drojf nobody added code, so that would be weird :D
18:28 magnuse drojf: your expectations could have changed :-)
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18:28 magnuse kia ora tcohen
18:30 drojf magnuse: no, they haven't :D
18:30 magnuse dang! :-)
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18:33 tcohen hi guys
18:33 pianohacker hi tcohen :)
18:37 pianohacker hahaha wow
18:39 magnuse pianohacker: you scared him away ;-)
18:40 pianohacker apparently!
18:40 wahanui i heard apparently was vitally important to librarians
18:40 pianohacker I did send him and bgkriegel a long email about bug 4503
18:40 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated
18:42 magnuse pianohacker: ah, harrasment... no wonder he ran when he spotted you
18:43 pianohacker exactly, can't blame him
18:43 magnuse nope
18:44 magnuse kia ora talljoy!
18:44 talljoy ola magnuse!
18:44 talljoy i hear you are interested in bibframe.  true?
18:44 talljoy or 'linked data' using SPARQL
18:44 magnuse and here i was, going to ask if there are any other blockers than bug 14440 before putting 3.20.1 in production
18:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14440 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , get_template_and_user can not have an empty template_name
18:45 magnuse talljoy: yeah, i am interested in the latter. i fear bibframe is  bit premature, and likely to put libraries in a "special corner", once again
18:45 talljoy could be.  librarians are their own worst enemies sometimes
18:46 magnuse "we have unique and special needs"
18:46 magnuse so true!
18:46 talljoy are you doing anything with SPARQL anything you are doing?
18:46 magnuse well, not much
18:47 magnuse i did make a tiny prototype of enhancing the koha opac with sparql queries a year or two back
18:47 magnuse deichman/oslo public library are doing some awesome stuff, though
18:47 talljoy that would be interesting to see.  i may ask you about that in some time.
18:48 talljoy I need to some research on this.  I've just started scratching the surface.
18:48 magnuse they are going to have rdf as the master data format and then dumb it down to marc so things like koha will have something to chew on
18:48 talljoy I've attended a conference about it, and I was fascinated by it.
18:48 magnuse let me find you a couple links
18:48 talljoy great!
18:49 magnuse talljoy:[…]-metadata-format/ +[…]o-public-library/ +[…]o-public-library/
18:49 * talljoy hopes there is an english interface.  my norwegian is ..non existent.
18:50 talljoy thanks magnuse!!
18:50 magnuse i know they are right in the middle of figuring out all the thorny issues now, so they might have something to show in the fall
18:50 magnuse also, libris in sweden are grappling with these issues too
18:50 talljoy that timing would be good for me.  I should have time to dedicate to this in October.
18:50 talljoy ah...sweden.  those are my people.
18:50 reiveune bye
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18:51 magnuse talljoy: sounds perfect
18:51 talljoy :-D
18:51 talljoy i feel a road trip coming on!  Sweden in October isn't too cold is it?
18:51 talljoy lol
18:51 magnuse talljoy: they have some projects here: not shure if the blog anywhere
18:52 magnuse talljoy: well, it is a very unpredictable time of year, i think
18:52 magnuse but probbly not too cld
18:52 talljoy well to be honest anything under 20 C is too cold for me.
18:52 pianohacker texan ;)
18:52 talljoy so, safe to say whatever the temp, I will find it freezing!
18:52 talljoy not for much longer pianohacker
18:52 pianohacker well, true
18:52 talljoy i have one foot out into New Mexico.
18:53 talljoy living in the desert = heaven
18:53 magnuse hehe, you should come in july then, then there is a small chance of not freezing
18:53 magnuse @wunder boo
18:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:20 PM CEST on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
18:54 talljoy magnuse the kohacon2012 in scotland was the coldest "summer" i ever experienced.
18:54 talljoy and it was in June or July.  it was so darn cold!
18:54 talljoy it was about 17-20 celsius.
18:54 talljoy i must be part reptilian.
18:54 talljoy need to sun to warm up.
18:55 talljoy okay, got a call to attend.  later all
18:59 magnuse @later tell talljoy also, you might want to time a trip to europe so you can attend the SWIB conference (the website for this years event, but they are yearly somewhere in germany, around the end of november)
18:59 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
19:09 * magnuse goes ahead and upgrades customers to 3.20.1
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21:10 wizzyrea hi'
21:10 * cait waves
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21:37 wizzyrea talljoy_phone: you'd die in wellington.
21:39 ibeardslee s/die/be preserved in a frozen state/
21:45 wizzyrea well if 20C is cold...
22:07 eythian hi
22:07 wahanui niihau, eythian
22:22 talljoy i totally would wizzyrea
22:22 talljoy which is why i'm glad i'm in the desert!
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22:23 wizzyrea I am soooo glad to only see 30C once a year or so.
22:23 talljoy ibeardslee i will dessicate before freezing.
22:23 talljoy that's when i start to thaw out.  and put away the sweaters.  ;-)
22:23 wizzyrea (the sun is really intense though, so it often feels warmer than it actually is)
22:24 talljoy yes, true.  here (in New Mexico currently) it can be hot as blazes, but in the shade, it feels so much cooler.
22:24 talljoy low humidity and all that
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23:19 the43 Hi!
23:20 the43 how activate sendmail in koha?
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23:49 eythian leap second in ~10 minutes, I hope you all have your civil defence kits ready for the fall of civilisation!
23:49 wizzyrea I have plasters, does that count?
23:50 eythian probably
23:50 wahanui probably is not, but i do not know another way
23:56 dcook hehe
23:57 dcook I actually have some work that does fall down to the second... I'm intrigued to see how that goes
23:57 dcook The only rations I have are...
23:57 dcook white chocolate with raspberry and balsamic
23:57 * dcook might be mowing his way through his rations pretty quickly atm

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