IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-01

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01:03 dcook Hadn't thought about using basic authentication with OAI-PMH... but makes sense...
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02:07 dcook Hmmm but how to do it..
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02:11 * Francesca waves
02:18 * dcook waves to Francesca
02:18 Francesca sup
02:18 dcook Oh man... when using LWP::UserAgent, you really don't want to forget that port number when setting the basic auth credentials...
02:18 Francesca oops?
02:18 wahanui i heard oops was mtompset's test plan is a little off, not a problem with the actual code. :)
02:19 dcook Francesca: Yep :)
02:19 dcook On uni break now?
02:19 Francesca yup
02:19 * dcook will figure out oceanic academic calendars one day... getting closer
02:19 Francesca the rest of this week, next week and then I go back
02:19 dcook Yay for breaks!
02:20 Francesca definantly
02:21 Francesca breaks are the best
02:21 * dcook is sure he'll get one of those again one day ;)
02:21 Francesca apart from when your mother makes you sort your bookshelf
02:21 * dcook was the kind of kid who wishes his parents sorted their bookshelves :p
02:21 dcook wished*
02:22 Francesca lol
02:28 eythian[…]821487104/photo/1
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02:38 cdickinson with my family, the bookshelf would just be left until someone got annoyed enough to do it
02:48 dcook My family has a lot of books O_O
02:48 dcook Quite a few of the walls in the basement are actually just bookshelves
03:14 ibeardslee my idea of rich is a room full of shelves of books and a couple of chairs to read in
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03:17 AmitG hi al
03:40 wizzyrea you said full of shelves and I read "rich relatives" I don't even know.
03:40 wizzyrea brain is not working correctly
03:41 AmitG heya wizzrea
03:41 AmitG heya wizzyrea
03:41 wahanui wizzyrea doesn't exist anymore
03:42 wizzyrea hallo
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03:52 dcook Hmm trying to remember if Debian moved on that Zebra/YAZ problem back when..
03:54 eythian not that I know of
03:54 rangi aleisha brought a pie or something that smells like a pie and now im starving
03:55 rangi pavlovian response
03:55 aleisha it is a pie
03:55 aleisha it's good as
03:58 wizzyrea oh now the pie smell has made it to my desk.
03:58 aleisha hahaha
03:58 aleisha i am very sorry
03:58 * dcook is glad he just ate
03:59 aleisha same
03:59 rangi heh
04:01 eythian dcook: remember that OSDC CFP closes in a few days
04:01 dcook Oh?
04:01 eythian yes.
04:01 dcook I should look at that again
04:01 eythian yes.
04:01 eythian I just re-remembered it.
04:01 * dcook probably doesn't have anything worth talking about
04:01 eythian didn't you submit something for last year?
04:02 dcook Yeah, but it was awful :p
04:02 rangi lca cfp is open too
04:02 eythian dcook: well you have time to polish it up.
04:03 eythian tbh, I have no idea what mine's going to say, I'm just making up enough stuff to fill out the boxes now.
04:03 dcook Yeah, I think I did that last year, and then when I started fleshing it out, I realized I really disliked my topic
04:03 eythian that may be an issue
04:04 dcook Hmm I almost have an idea
04:04 dcook For "Showcasing a successful, or unsuccessful open source implementation"
04:04 dcook Don't know if I could do 30 minutes of talking about it though
04:04 eythian talk in a bigger font
04:05 dcook Hehe. I suppose I could also adjust the margins
04:07 wizzyrea talk in a bigger font.
04:07 wizzyrea more like "make the line spacing 2.11
04:07 wizzyrea "
04:15 dcook Arg... that moment when someone asks you a question about tokenization with Zebra and you have other work to do but you want to research/remember all the things...
04:15 * dcook might be a masochist he guesses
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04:41 wizzyrea <font type="Ft1">/path/to/font.ttf</font> this seems odd.
04:41 eythian why?
04:42 wizzyrea because it's turning up in the log when you try to export a pdf from the label creator
04:44 * eythian doesn't understand
04:44 wizzyrea iot's ok
04:44 wizzyrea it's ok*
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06:14 AmitG hi indradg
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 wahanui bidet, reiveune
06:48 * magnuse waves
06:49 * dac waves too
06:49 * dac switches windows before fixing his name as well
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06:58 alex_a hello
06:58 wahanui what's up, alex_a
07:03 kivilahtio janPasi: Nyt alkaa olla vähän kiire sen miitin päivän julkistamisen suhteen. Voitko kysyä asap?
07:04 kivilahtio sorry, wrong room :)
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07:13 AmitG hi alex_a
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07:16 gaetan_B hello
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07:24 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B cait
07:29 cait morning all
07:29 AmitG heya cait
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10:21 drojf hi #koha
10:21 cait hi drojf
10:21 drojf hi cait
10:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:22 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
10:22 cait could i interest you in testing a patch?
10:22 cait one that will help with weird things lots of german libraries do?
10:22 drojf not right now. but you could pre-book a slot in my interests ;)
10:23 drojf what is it?
10:23 cait that sounds like an interesting offer
10:23 cait bug 13590
10:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
10:23 cait it means: weekly fine increase and still only a grace period of 2 days... hopefully
10:23 drojf then i will pre-book a slot in your considerations for my offer to pre-book a slot in my interests ;)
10:24 cait you know, we could just have negotiated that in complicated german instead :)
10:25 drojf hehe
10:25 drojf ah yes i have seen that before. will test later
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10:57 drojf not sure if i understand that last message on the mailing list correctly. who is supposed to organize that seminar?
10:58 drojf and how many koha libraries are there in india? thousands?
10:59 magnuse @wunder boo
10:59 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
11:00 drojf bodø summer? :)
11:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
11:01 drojf getting warmer /o\
11:01 magnuse drojf: at least it was supposed to be summer
11:02 drojf would you like a few °C from over here?
11:02 magnuse i read it as "[Bengal Library Association] are trying to organize a National Seminar on Koha on last week of January, 2016 in Kolkata, West Bengal, India" and they are happy to collaborate with all comers to get it organized
11:02 magnuse drojf: yeah, wouldn't mind a couple
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11:06 drojf i read it like that too, until the last two sentences, which made me wonder if they ask for some kind of official permission or something. may be a translation thing
11:09 magnuse perhaps
11:17 drojf can i change the framework which is used when i hit "new from z3950/sru" without specifying one? for "new record" i have to choose one, for z3950/sru there is the option to choose one or just go ahead (and get the standard framework)
11:18 drojf i mean change it with some syspref. not in the code :)
11:20 magnuse nah, i think the default one will be the default
11:21 magnuse i could imagine having different defaults for each target or something like that, though
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11:55 drojf lol. german weather service had a bug and anounced 5--10cm of snow in their newsletter
11:55 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:55 * cait is melting
11:55 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 27.3°C (1:55 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
11:55 cait an this is a lie
11:55 cait it's more
11:56 cait 29... but it feels terrible
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11:57 * drojf sends icecream
11:58 cait thx :)
11:58 cait we made the mistake to go outside for lunch...
11:59 drojf i have not even had breakfast. too warm
12:00 * magnuse actually feels sorry for the germans
12:00 cait :)
12:01 * magnuse finds his current temp kind of perfect - you only need a light jacket, and the air is refreshing
12:01 magnuse @wunder boo
12:01 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (1:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
12:01 * cait wishes to be norwegian today
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12:04 drojf have to leave the house. that's gonna be fun :) later #koha
12:04 cait poor drojf.... it was nice to know him
12:06 gaetan_B in 3.18.8, no matter how much i pay, my patron still owes me the amount charged
12:06 cait that's unfortunate
12:06 gaetan_B i am looking at bugzilla and can't find that exact bug
12:06 cait quite
12:06 cait there is none yet afaik
12:06 cait is there anything in the logs?
12:06 cait is the payment logged?
12:06 cait what kind of fine is it?
12:06 gaetan_B nothihng in the logs
12:07 cait none of our libraries has reported that yet - we are running 3.18.8 since friday
12:07 gaetan_B i tried with lost item and regular fine
12:07 cait let me test on our test installation
12:07 cait does the payment show on the summary page?
12:07 gaetan_B yes
12:07 gaetan_B the summary page has "Payment, thanks"
12:07 gaetan_B quite a few times ;)
12:08 gaetan_B the value in outstanding in front of the fine remains
12:08 gaetan_B and the total due remains as well
12:08 cait give me a minute
12:08 gaetan_B sure
12:08 cait which of the many uttons to pay di dyou use?
12:09 cait hmm
12:09 cait paying individual fines works for me
12:09 cait i used the 'pay' button next to the fine entry
12:09 cait let me try a partial
12:09 cait not sure if sorry or happy - but it seems to work alright here
12:10 cait well actually happy... because we have a lot of libraries using this
12:11 gaetan_B well that's reassuring i guess
12:11 gaetan_B i have tried all the buttons
12:11 gaetan_B strange
12:11 cait i have tried the partial and the pay amount...
12:11 cait usual suspects.. try from the english templates? try another user?
12:12 cait hm one cent also worked
12:12 gaetan_B i'm on the english templates
12:12 gaetan_B maybe it's the database
12:12 cait hm german ones for me
12:12 cait yep english works here too
12:15 gaetan_B well that's good news
12:15 cait not sure what else to test
12:15 cait doen't make it less frustrating for you i guess
12:15 gaetan_B because we're currently updating all our libraries to 3.18.8 :)
12:15 gaetan_B so it seems it's just my test database
12:15 cait we already did - so yeah, that would be pretty scary
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13:32 indradg kia ora #koha
13:32 nengard morning indradg
13:32 indradg hiya nengard
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15:20 indradg drojf: +1 i like your comments on tcohen's mail #paidprovider
15:25 pianohacker indradg: drojf is mirko tietgen?
15:26 tcohen drojf: i want to clarify that i use the word marketing in a really light way
15:26 indradg pianohacker: yep
15:26 tcohen pianohacker: yes
15:26 pianohacker okay, thanks :)
15:26 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, and in case you were wondering, it's pronounced "drojf."
15:26 indradg jcamins: hey!
15:26 pianohacker jcamins: oh, good to know ;)
15:26 * jcamins is still baffled by that one.
15:27 indradg heh
15:27 pianohacker also, hi! Long time no see, jcamins
15:27 jcamins Hello. I finally got mosh running on port 53.
15:27 * jcamins works in a wireless dead zone, so I'm lagged out 90% of the time.
15:28 tcohen ouch
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15:45 drojf lol
15:48 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
15:48 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
15:48 drojf jcamins: how else would you pronounce it? :D
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15:53 pianohacker drah-jiff
15:55 drojf hehe. i would also accept doctor ojiff
15:57 pianohacker drojf: where does your nick come from?
15:58 drojf i think i did not plan to stay around long enough for people to start wondering how to pronounce the nick. next time i will consider staying for a few years before i quickly join a channel with a random name to ask one question
15:59 drojf pianohacker: it's fjord spelled backwards. for no reason. i don't know how i came up with that, i have not used elsewhere
15:59 pianohacker hahahahaha
15:59 drojf *used it elsewhere
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16:04 gaetan_B bye
16:16 drojf tcohen: regarding marketing, what i don't want to do is push advertising. one could argue signing off or contributing a patch is marketing too. and i have a website too. i want people that are looking for information to find it, but not throw it into everybody's face without asking
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16:39 tcohen drojf: I agree, i'm not in marketing, just saying that's what the list is being used for, and it might hurt us
16:40 drojf tcohen: yes, i agree with that. and i think if we can't agree on something like i proposed, it should go anyway. seems like nothing is better that the situation now
16:41 drojf that was worded badly. if we can't agree on anything new… what i proposed is only an example, maybe there is something better. but the status quo is problematic
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18:17 drojf is there a way to use jquery depending on the user group currently logged in? I'd like to hide authorities depending on who logs in, and just taking away authority permission leaves the button in place (for authority search, which you don't need if you don't use authorities)
18:18 cait hm
18:18 cait you don't want them to search even?
18:18 cait i am not sure if the category is visible in staff - you could use the username
18:18 cait but they might just change it
18:18 cait it seems like one of thise 123 :)
18:18 cait @quote get 123
18:18 wahanui
18:18 huginn` cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:19 drojf have a clean interface with only the things you need… is that mad? :)
18:19 cait hm then you could just generally remove it
18:19 cait why the user group distinction?
18:20 drojf i was confused it is not possible out of the box with permissions. in the end it does not matter to hide it for everyone then i guess
18:20 drojf but i like to have options :P
18:20 cait it's considered a basic thing i guess
18:20 cait and no harm if they can search
18:21 drojf i'm bringing koha to libraries that have never heard of authorities ;)
18:21 cait lol
18:21 cait you should build a simplified koha then :P
18:21 drojf and i think the people in charge don't want them to ask :D
18:21 cait sounds somewhat familiar
18:21 drojf i heard there is something out in india :P
18:22 cait ;)
18:22 drojf have they put out the source code already? ;)
18:22 cait i am on vacation now - no idea )
18:24 drojf oh nice. how is it? :)
18:24 cait it just started
18:24 cait still recovering from the work day :)
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18:55 indradg did someone mention 'India'?
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18:56 cait not talking about you :)
18:56 indradg cait: i know what you are talking about fellows.... that Joubu wanted to see the CSS :P
18:57 cait :)
18:58 indradg drojf, cait - I am working on bug 5362. Got jcamins to give me his blessings to take it over :)
18:58 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5362 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Simple (non-MARC) cataloging interface
18:59 cait indradg: that... and rancor... and what we have... all level sheh
18:59 cait beginner - advanced - professional
18:59 indradg heh
19:00 drojf indradg: cool! can you be done next week please? :P
19:02 indradg jokes aside people...what do you think of this -[…]-July/043137.html
19:02 indradg cait, drojf ^^^
19:02 cait haven't read it
19:02 cait yet
19:03 indradg what he proposed is mostly along lines of KohaNA meetings... but IMHO, poor choice of words (and that he has no idea of KohaNA meetups)
19:04 indradg drojf you seem to be in tearing hurry! :D
19:05 drojf indradg: i was a little confused by the last sentences. do they ask people to participate or do they ask permission/ someone to organize it? i think it's just a translation thing, earlier they say they plan to do it.
19:05 drojf apart from that it sounded like a good idea
19:06 cait hm it sounds like 'good intentions*
19:06 cait but maybe a bit confusing choice of words
19:06 indradg drojf: here is the backstory... the chap asked me if I would be a speaker... I said, fine with me... as long as the community has no objections to IndKoha naming over TM concerns
19:06 cait we culd suggest they start a user group.... naming it indkoha should not be aproblem
19:06 cait indian kohacon would be critical
19:06 cait drojf: waht was the title of the finnish thing?
19:08 drojf indradg: oh, i see. i don't know why that would be a problem. what cait says, calling it like a conference that is already established would be weird
19:08 drojf cait: wait…
19:08 cait yep?
19:08 wahanui yep.
19:09 indradg plus I would suggest that instead of a BLA (Bengal Library Assn - the Lib Assn in my home state) led KohaIN event, the organising committee should include and involve Koha users from across India
19:09 drojf i think it was just koha seminar
19:09 cait who is a member in the association?
19:09 cait not libraries?
19:09 indradg I found the whole bit a little fishy... especially with the mention of BLA also being a paid support provider
19:10 indradg a bunch of koha*.in domains are held by Jo Ransom on behalf of HLT
19:10 cait yeah it's a bit hard for us to tell
19:11 indradg cait: BLA is the library assn of librarians in West Bengal (my home state)... we have like 30 something states in India
19:11 drojf yes, no idea about indian library associations. it sounded like something independent, but i wondered about mentioning being a support provider too
19:11 cait we are public and a koha provider
19:11 cait hehe
19:11 cait it's possible!
19:11 drojf sounds fishy :P
19:12 indradg indeed
19:12 cait hmpf!
19:12 drojf :D
19:12 * cait glares at the two of you
19:12 indradg which is why I suggested that he runs it through the community m/l
19:12 indradg the outcome of that suggestion is now in your inboxes :P
19:13 drojf even if they'd only be support company and nothing else, if they invite others to participate (and mean it) i would not see a problem
19:14 indradg drojf neither would I... unless we had so much drama over the #paidsupportproviderlistings
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19:15 cait i tmight be problematic if one provider claimed a very general name... hm
19:15 cait but i think this whole discussion made us quite suspicious
19:15 cait i eman others are duoing europan koha hackfests :)
19:15 cait sorry for all the typos tonight
19:15 drojf kohacon in edinburgh was mainly organized by for everybody and i don't think it was a problem for other support companies. but maybe it's different on the indian market (telling from the mailing list ;)
19:16 drojf oh yes biblibre does the hackfest
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19:17 wnickc KohaNA has had lots of support from Bywater
19:17 cait naturally i guess :)
19:17 pianohacker @koha++
19:17 huginn` pianohacker: I've exhausted my database of quotes
19:17 pianohacker koha++
19:18 cait pianohacker: did you see? indradg is entering the cataloguing editor competition ;)
19:18 cait btw i think yours needs a rebase :)
19:19 drojf next step would be a cataloguing editor editor :)
19:19 pianohacker yeah, master moves at the speed of light
19:19 cait and there you say we never change stuff heh :)
19:20 indradg cait: its my birthday today... so gimme a break :D
19:20 * pianohacker raises an inquiring eyebrow at indradg
19:20 cait indradg: and i am on vacation - i can do whatever I want now :P
19:20 indradg sounds legit
19:20 drojf oh. happy birthday indradg!
19:21 pianohacker indradg: you have a cataloging editor, birthday boy?
19:21 cait and happy birthday :) Alles Gute zum Geburtstag!
19:21 bag happy birthday indradg
19:22 wnickc happy birthday!
19:22 indradg thank you bag, cait, drojf pianohacker, wnickc
19:22 indradg :D
19:22 cait pianohacker: you need to read back :) i didn't want to start a war heh
19:23 pianohacker jcamins: regardless of why you're in channel, good to see you here again :) cheers
19:23 pianohacker indradg: ooh. Any screenshots yet?
19:23 pianohacker we're gonna have to start seriously thinking about the interface between switching between all of these
19:24 indradg pianohacker: not yet... and yes the switching bit has to be thought out
19:24 drojf i would like a session of tetris every time you switch the editor
19:25 pianohacker before you can switch to a more advanced editor
19:25 pianohacker but coolL
19:25 pianohacker cool!
19:25 drojf MARCtris
19:25 drojf oh that sounds scary
19:25 * drojf goes for a walk
19:25 pianohacker really cool game
19:25 cait drojf: some little excercise... strengthen the back.. stretch your muscles
19:26 drojf thats what i am about to do ;)
19:26 wnickc users should be able to set their default (or give us admins the power to set their default- bwahahahahaha)
19:26 cait i was thinking of the 'in between thing'
19:26 cait instead of tetris
19:26 drojf i know ;)
19:26 * cait is glad that people find sense between all her typos tonight
19:27 pianohacker wnickc: would we want permissions or set defaults?
19:27 drojf you are on vacation
19:27 drojf ;)
19:27 drojf later
19:27 cait pianohacker: i think that would be nice as a per user thing
19:27 wnickc pianohacker: hm.. both?
19:27 wahanui both is, like, best :)
19:27 pianohacker rum and coke, hold the coke in one hand, typing with the other
19:27 pianohacker hard vacation, cait :)
19:27 wnickc since no two libraries can do things the same way
19:28 cait because you might have a  junior dev and someone more advanced in the same library system
19:28 cait or library even
19:28 wnickc default is probably enough though, unless rancor lets you do terribly destructive things
19:28 pianohacker users can change between rancor and addbiblio right now, though it is just shoved in a cookie
19:29 wnickc (is why I keep MARCedit integration a secret)
19:29 pianohacker not really. Only real additional feature is arbitrary tags/subfields
19:29 cait hm pref for default.... cookie for your day's favourite... and permissions? :)
19:29 wnickc you can't edit items in rancor can you?
19:30 pianohacker wnickc: no, not currently
19:30 pianohacker some libraries want it though
19:30 cait let's get a good base in first :)
19:31 wnickc once you can, then permission
19:31 pianohacker heh, fair
19:31 pianohacker wnickc: what if the ability to add items was hinged on the existing item editing permission?
19:36 wnickc yeah, I think so, the concern is just someone mucking up many libraries items when they only intend to mcuk up their own
19:36 wnickc if you could load only your libraries items into editor would be nice
19:37 pianohacker ah, independentbranches stuff?
19:37 wnickc we are wierd though independent branches but not with the pref
19:37 wnickc loose consortium
19:37 pianohacker does the current item editor isolate branches, then?
19:39 wnickc it doesn't, but you can only load one item at a time so not many issues
19:39 cait it does with indybranches
19:39 cait although it's a little leaky
19:44 wnickc yeah, if indybranches were more flexible we might use it, we have several group cards though
20:01 cait hm yeah... right now it's complicated... it has some catches
20:23 rangi morning
20:24 wnickc hi rangi
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21:17 wizzyrea hi
21:17 wizzyrea hi
21:17 wizzyrea oh, heh
21:20 * cait waves
21:24 mtj yolo #koha
21:25 mtj thanks for making the wiki suggestion rangi
21:25 rangi no worries
21:28 mtj have people seen this.. ->[…]i-hate-about-git/
21:29 mtj ..i found the ' typical Github-hosted project:'  diagram interesting
21:30 mtj i think its just a problem for a github workflow tho.... not git itself?
21:32 mtj 2. Crazy command line syntax
21:33 cait i love git
21:33 wizzyrea same
21:33 cait i have seen people struggling coming from other version control systems
21:33 cait maybe it helps if you just start with git heh
21:34 cait i think mybe workflow issues too?
21:34 wizzyrea well i mean, for some value of "love" that includes "it keeps things organised and version control is good"
21:34 pianohacker after using SVN and perforce professionally, the big difference is that when you break/screw up git, you can actually FIX it
21:34 wizzyrea add that to my definition of love.
21:34 wizzyrea also, reflog.
21:34 rangi that reads to me
21:34 rangi i know how to use svn
21:34 rangi i dont know how to use git
21:34 rangi ergo git sux
21:35 pianohacker it's easy to put SVN into a completely incomprehensible state that requires careful surgery to repair
21:35 mtj lol, yeah that too ^
21:35 pianohacker and yeah
21:35 cait that's what i got too... people stuck in how svn worked specifically
21:35 cait and being scared of corrupting their repo
21:35 * cait never managed to break her git repo ever
21:36 pianohacker and distributed vc makes things more complicated, it's unfortunately what you sign up for in exchange for the benefits
21:36 rangi *nod*
21:36 cait true
21:36 rangi ill give him that the man pages do suck
21:36 mtj i was always curious about github and merge problem - ie: how to solve them?
21:36 rangi i agree on that point
21:37 mtj .. but looks like github doesnt handle merge problems, at all
21:39 jcamins Don't use GitHub for PRs.
21:39 mtj the mecurial/git discussions are often interesting
21:39 jcamins Problem^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSolved
21:39 jcamins That said, I actually don't mind PRs in GitHub.
21:40 mtj mecurial and git seem to be close in workflow and feature parity these days?
21:40 jcamins But if you don't want to use GitHub's built-in PR functionality, you can just merge pull requests manually.
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21:42 mtj jcamins: i'm a bit curious about github.. mostly coz bits of perl6 project are using it
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22:06 pianohacker okay, this is a mildly obscure question, but I wanted to poke the community on this
22:07 pianohacker it is possible to use the "hidden" value to hide any given subfield in the OPAC/Staff side/editor, and this extends to item subfields
22:07 cait can you rephrease the question?
22:08 cait or i can try to answer and you tell me if you meant something else?
22:08 pianohacker however, if you mark an item subfield as hidden, it only hides it from the item input form, not the table showing all the items. This seems like a bug. Thoughts?
22:08 cait atm
22:08 cait the hidden values in the frameworks only affect the marc views
22:08 pianohacker cait: ^ finally got to the actual question :)
22:08 cait and not both i think
22:08 cait only the labelled or the other... i don't have access to my notes :)
22:09 cait so no, you can't use it, but i think that's a bug
22:09 cait mtompset did write a patch, but there were performance concerns, also it would be good to remove the fields in a central place
22:09 pianohacker I mean, you can debate whether marking the 245$a as hidden should hide the title display
22:10 pianohacker but in this case the two parts of the screen aren't consistent
22:10 cait if you want to hide it from the table.. in the add item for... you can experiment with the tabs setting
22:10 cait but you might want to test that well
22:10 cait setting it to ignore coudl do the trick, might have side effects
22:10 pianohacker cait: :/ that seems a little sketchy
22:10 cait hm?
22:11 pianohacker cait: changing the tab seems like it might have unpleasant side effects. What do you mean by ignore?
22:12 cait instead of 10 to ignore
22:13 cait it's one of the choices... but as i said, migh be a little tricky
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22:13 cait or use jquery... heh
22:13 cait or... fix it!
22:13 pianohacker ah, kk
22:13 pianohacker cait: yeah, I think I should fix it to make hidden affect the table on additem
22:14 pianohacker just trying to figure out the best way forward
22:14 pianohacker and whether there was reasons you'd want the current behavior
22:14 cait hm i don#t see a good reason not to follow the settings... i think editor hidden should hide it there too
22:15 pianohacker good :)
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23:07 mtj hey wizzyrea, rangi.. do catalyst have any bootstrap opacs, with the plant/food 'new books' display?
23:08 wizzyrea
23:09 wizzyrea (not exactly the same. Similar though(
23:09 wizzyrea also I am not a fan of the coverflow.
23:09 wizzyrea or sliders, generally.
23:16 mtj yeah, i mostly agree
23:17 mtj thanks too ^
23:18 mtj i quite liked teeny small ones on a page - but not so much big ones
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23:18 cdickinson Morning #koha
23:19 mtj hiya cdickinson
23:19 mtj curtin had a smaller one than that, at one stage ->
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23:22 mtj awesome wizzyrea, thanx for that url :0)
23:23 wizzyrea yep nw
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