IRC log for #koha, 2015-06-25

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00:36 jcamins rangi: the idea is that Swagger will make it easier for developers to quickly integrate with your mainstream APIs.
00:36 jcamins ... wait...
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00:47 jcamins @later tell cait Coconut-cashew-vanilla-crusted golden pomfret was a fantastic idea.
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01:22 rangi jcamins: :)
01:23 jcamins rangi: I _highly_ recommend it.
01:23 jcamins Oh, sorry, you were probably responding to my comment on Swagger.
01:24 rangi both in fact
01:25 jcamins Well, I highly recommend the fish. Swagger seems like a good idea, if it doesn't come with too many inconveniences.
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02:01 wizzyrea mtj: I have some stuff kind of ready for "from librarian to developer in 90 minutes"
02:01 wizzyrea it'd be easy from a devbox.
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02:30 pianohacker hi
02:31 rangi hi pianohacker
02:33 wizzyrea hi pianohacker
02:33 pianohacker hi wizzyrea
02:33 pianohacker and rangi :)
02:37 pianohacker rangi: having reread logs, I very much share your concerns about Mojo
02:38 pianohacker my initial reaction to some of the infrastructure in the new API was that they were trying to boil oceans fast enough to counteract global warming...
02:38 rangi heh
02:38 pianohacker swagger seems useful as a combined config/documentation effort, but the benefits of mojolicious are less clear
02:38 rangi yep
02:39 rangi i can see the appeal of following a standard(ish) which swagger is, so that your api is not super suprising
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04:43 AmitG hi
04:43 AmitG indradg
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05:10 kivilahtio_ @later tell pianohacker If you want to use Perl, there is no alternative to use Swagger2 than Mojolicious.
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05:40 cdickinson_ @wunder nzwn
05:40 huginn` cdickinson_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on June 25, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
05:41 indradg @wunder Kolkata
05:41 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (10:50 AM IST on June 25, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
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05:48 indradg @seen eythian
05:48 huginn` indradg: eythian was last seen in #koha 3 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <eythian> heh
05:48 bag hola
05:49 indradg @later tell eythian added you to CC on bug 14407, since it intends to add a new (yet unpackaged) perl dep
05:49 huginn` indradg: The operation succeeded.
05:49 indradg hi bag
05:49 bag hey :)
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06:18 kivilahtio_ hola bag
06:23 * magnuse waves
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06:35 marcelr hi #koha
06:35 magnuse hiya marcelr
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06:37 reiveune hello
06:38 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:41 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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07:02 alex_a bonjour
07:02 wahanui kia ora, alex_a
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07:04 xarragon In the database we have both bare MARC data and MARCXML data, but from looking at some code it seems mostly the marcxml is used, in conjunction with MARC::Record~from_xml()
07:04 xarragon is that true, or where is the bare MARC used?
07:08 BobB_ xarragon, I saw a post on that on the devel list just recently ...
07:09 BobB_ if I am not mistaken, the marc-blob is not used at all; only the marcxml is used
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07:10 xarragon BobB_: Ok, that is consistent with my limited observations. Thank you. That simplifies some things for me.
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07:13 magnuse xarragon: there is a bug about that
07:14 magnuse bug 10455
07:14 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10455 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove redundant 'biblioitems.marc' field
07:14 magnuse looks like the marc field might get removed
07:16 fridolin hie
07:22 xarragon magnuse: 'Eeeeexcellent' in Mr Burns voice.
07:22 drojf morning #koha
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07:27 gaetan_B hello
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07:31 magnuse moin drojf gaetan_B liz
07:31 magnuse @wunder boo
07:31 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 25, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:32 drojf hei magnuse
07:49 gaetan_B "fun" fact, in 2010, ptfs also registered
08:00 AmitG indradg around?
08:11 ashimema never seem to catch rangi whilst awake
08:11 ashimema oh well
08:12 rangi sup ashimema
08:12 ashimema dude.. you are awake..
08:12 ashimema I ws just reading back.. saw a swagger convo going..
08:13 ashimema though not actually read it all yet.
08:13 ashimema hows it going anyways.. not spoken to you in ages?
08:13 rangi really busy, but good
08:14 ashimema busy is good and bad ;)
08:14 ashimema I know that feeling well.. we're super busy over here at the moment..
08:14 ashimema company has hit that stage now of winning allot fo the big contracts..
08:14 magnuse w00t!
08:14 ashimema we put in for 5 at the beginning of the year thinking we might get one.. we ended up with all five.
08:14 magnuse hehe
08:14 magnuse nice
08:15 ashimema so it's mad at the moment here as you can imagine..
08:15 rangi heh yeah
08:15 rangi is the game you have to play
08:15 ashimema all nice big names too :).. but yeah.. means I'm not getting much time in te day to sleep at th eminute ;)
08:15 ashimema indeed
08:16 * magnuse hopes atheia gets time to wrap up the ill work
08:16 ashimema I've been crap at QA for a few months though.. which I don't like.. don't feel I'm pulling my weight at the minute.. and there's loads of interesting stuff going on
08:16 ashimema he's still going strong on it magnuse.. loads going on in the repo still
08:16 ashimema I try to get him to pop in here semi-regularly with updates
08:17 rangi sweet
08:17 ashimema what are your thoughts on the whole API stuff then rangi?
08:17 ashimema I have mixed feelings.. in some ways I love it.. in others I think it's going way too far.
08:18 ashimema basing it on mojo kinda scares me.. mojo moves really fast as a project.. though that worry has been answered by sticking to the deb packaged one.. so effectively using a pinned version
08:19 magnuse ashimema: excellent!
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08:20 rangi yeah i feel the same way, i feel like its introducing a lot of potential debt
08:20 ashimema but we do still appear to be pulling in an enormous amount of 'stack' to add this functionality.. if the idea is to slowly migrate Koha to Mojo.. then great.. if it's not.. then I feel it's meaning we'll be supporting two systems instead of one.
08:20 rangi yup
08:21 ashimema I actualyl really liked pianohackers Koha::Restful stuff
08:21 ashimema was pretty succint
08:21 rangi i agree
08:21 ashimema inspired from dancer, mojo et al
08:22 ashimema 'tis hard.. I love Mojo and use it in our own home built app.. but it's oe thing starting a project with it.. it's another side loading it
08:22 ashimema into another pre-existing app
08:22 rangi yeah
08:23 ashimema anywho.. hard one to call..
08:23 magnuse and for a relatively small part of the bigger project too...
08:23 magnuse (not saying the API isn't important, though!)
08:23 ashimema agreed..
08:24 ashimema I've scalled it back a little at least.. think we pretty much agreed to strip out the whole swagger ui peice
08:27 cait i am worried we overcomplicate this
08:28 drojf espresso anyone?
08:28 cait resulting in making it hard to maintain keep running
08:28 cait testing...
08:28 wahanui testing is, like, fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint
08:34 ashimema swagger 'should' make testing expected results formats easy.. nothing will make testing expected outputs given certain actions especially easy
08:48 jajm ashimema, swaggerui is now in a separate bug, i'm still working on removing the swaggerui part from the authentication bug
08:48 jajm kivilahtio, around ?
08:48 kivilahtio jajm: yes, but need to fix the SIP Server
08:49 kivilahtio jajm: we have issues with our SIP server, can you imagine.
08:49 kivilahtio jajm: the DBIx connection dies and doesn't come back
08:50 kivilahtio jajm: I worte a report here, not sure how accurate it is[…]/New_REST_API_RFC
08:51 jajm kivilahtio, bug 13920 doesn't apply well, i applied 13799, 13995 and 14437, but git still fails with error "sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/"
08:51 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13920 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , API authentication system - proposal
08:51 jajm have you applied any other patches in between ?
08:51 kivilahtio no idea. I get that crap all the time. Just use git apply --reject and it is a breeze (but boring) to apply them
08:52 kivilahtio jajm: I numbered the apply order?
08:52 kivilahtio jajm: and applied in that order...
08:53 kivilahtio jajm: I PM:ed ou my commit stack
08:53 jajm kivilahtio, there is 1,2,3 in 13799 and 7,8,9 in 13920.. there's something missing here :)
08:53 kivilahtio jajm: I will add the CGISESSID authentication today, I just need to sort the SIP out first
08:54 jajm kivilahtio, thanks for the pm
08:55 kivilahtio jajm: Bug 13799 - 4. Add base for building RESTful API - Fix missing character encoding in the index.html
08:55 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
08:55 kivilahtio was missing
08:55 kivilahtio now it is in the bugzilla
08:56 kivilahtio jajm: noo i think it borke something, but that was missing in the bugzilla
08:57 kivilahtio jajm: well that was the missing patch, but it shouldnt affect anything?
08:57 jajm no it's something else
08:57 kivilahtio that's all I got  :)
08:57 kivilahtio I have the same issues all the time
08:57 kivilahtio I just git apply --reject
08:57 kivilahtio and be done with it
08:59 jajm kivilahtio, this is not "normal", patches should apply without using --reject
09:00 jajm and nobody will test patches if they have to do that
09:00 kivilahtio jajm: I understand, there is a distrubance in the force
09:01 kivilahtio jajm: but you have the same patches I have. I can take a look at updating them later today
09:01 kivilahtio I just pick your changes to swagger ui
09:04 jajm i will retry from the beginning, picking the patches in the order you sent me, on top of current master, and see what happens
09:04 cait bug 14440 has passed qa
09:04 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14440 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , get_template_and_user can not have an empty template_name
09:05 fridolin cait: cool
09:05 fridolin special thanks to Joubu :)
09:07 jajm kivilahtio, the 4th patch on 13799 concerns swaggerui, which has its own bug now, so i will obsolete it, don't reattach it :)
09:07 kivilahtio ok
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10:02 drojf oh that 01e coded field error thing in the marc frameworks is actually supposed to be there? i always thought that was a misspelled 019 :D
10:16 cait huh?
10:18 cait @wunder Konstanz
10:18 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on June 25, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
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11:17 marcelr thx drojf++
11:28 drojf marcelr: the patches on bugs 14295 and 14296 should be quite safe to some qa changes to 6874, right?
11:28 marcelr hi drojf: what do you exactly mean?
11:29 marcelr they are built on top of it; but i am not sure about 6874 getting pushed right now
11:29 drojf i understand they depend on the general feature new in bug 6874, which is not pushed yet and you added a list of concerns (not deal breakers), so there may be changes to 6874
11:29 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC)
11:30 marcelr i guess there will be quite some changes needed; some could be built on top of 14295/6
11:30 drojf the when is not my concern, just that your patches won't change completely :)
11:30 marcelr probably
11:30 wahanui probably is not, but i do not know another way
11:30 drojf if chances are high they will, i would test them at a later point, maybe when 6784 is pushed
11:31 marcelr yes i would leave them a little
11:31 drojf ok, thanks
11:31 marcelr i am talking with tcohen about it
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12:04 cait I'd really like to see some of the things addressed you pointed out - like the translation issues
12:05 cait drojf: in 3.18 the german calendar has 2 Do
12:05 cait thursdays
12:06 marcelr cait: the translation issues are not even my biggest concern ;)
12:06 cait i know, but that should probably be easy to fix
12:06 cait i think the feature idea is great - but we need to take care not to introduce h
12:06 cait 'half-working' things :)
12:06 marcelr yeah we are at the crossing point of pushing and fixing or refactoring
12:07 drojf cait: oh. i'd prefer two sundays!
12:07 cait true
12:07 cait ... my problem is finding the string in pootle now
12:07 cait it's just "Tu"
12:07 cait ... and i have 4991 results...
12:08 drojf shouldn't it be th or thu?
12:08 cait tuesday :)
12:08 cait do for thursday is right
12:08 cait need to fix the do = tuesdays :)
12:08 drojf ah the second thursday should be tuesday, now i got it
12:09 drojf but searching for tu in original and do in translation maybe?
12:10 drojf or did you get 5000 results by that?
12:10 cait you can't do both at the same time i think
12:10 drojf i'm sure i did
12:10 cait hm
12:10 cait you fix it? :)
12:10 drojf or it worked for me by accident ^^
12:11 drojf sorry very deep in the ncip patch again right now
12:11 cait hm i think we need another version of the patches on bug 14440 for 3.18
12:11 drojf if yxou remind me i'll try it later
12:11 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14440 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , get_template_and_user can not have an empty template_name
12:11 cait they dn't apply for me
12:14 fridolin cait: all of them ?
12:14 cait i thik the first was fine, the second was not
12:15 cait would be good if someone else tried
12:15 fridolin on, I've also removed unnecery dependances
12:15 fridolin sorry I cant test right now
12:16 cait drojf: are you fixing it?
12:16 fridolin but it should not be hard to rebase
12:20 cait drojf: i found the 3.20 one.. now looking in 3.18
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12:21 indradg @seen cait
12:21 huginn` indradg: cait was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 18 seconds ago: <cait> drojf: i found the 3.20 one.. now looking in 3.18
12:22 cait i amh ere
12:23 indradg cait: bug 14440, saw your and mtompset's comments. If no one does anything over the weekend, I'll look in and fix by Monday evening
12:24 cait hm mtompset?
12:24 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
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12:25 indradg well, he pointed to a line of redundant code
12:27 cait not seeing his comment
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12:29 indradg cait: mea culpa! I was on a conf call, Mark msged on FB... /me lost my head :P
12:29 indradg diff bug
12:29 cait ah :)
12:32 indradg @seen TallJoy
12:32 huginn` indradg: TallJoy was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 55 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <talljoy> hiya magnuse
12:32 * cait sighs
12:32 cait when did we stop using sort1_authcat and sort2_authcat?
12:32 cait and...why?
12:32 cait in aqorders
12:33 drojf cait: so it's fixed or should i have a look later? sorry too many things at once
12:33 cait i did 3.20 and 3.18
12:33 cait might be in ealrier ones too, but i lost patience
12:34 * andreashm waves
12:34 gaetan_B i have a marc21 question
12:34 drojf if it's not available as a package anxymore, i don't care :P
12:34 gaetan_B is there a way to make the 008 plugin aware of the resource type according to what's in the leader ?
12:35 andreashm I saw in the log from yesterday a question about paying fines via SIP. Is it correct that paying individual fines in Koha through SIP is not supported today, but only the full sum of all fines of a patron?
12:35 andreashm oh, and hey gaeten_b!
12:36 gaetan_B hi andreashm :)
12:36 gaetan_B i think it's true, i remember reading about something like this somewhere
12:36 gaetan_B but better wait for an answer from a sip specialist
12:36 andreashm thanks gaetan!
12:37 cait this is what i know too
12:37 cait i encouraged the person to ask on the list too - i think there was no email yet
12:39 andreashm I'll have to send out an e-mail then
12:40 andreashm because otherwise this is something we will have to build/sponsor
12:42 andreashm (most likely)
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12:43 tcohen morning
12:44 andreashm hey tcohen
12:47 marcelr hi tcohen
12:47 tcohen hi andreashm marcelr
12:51 * magnuse waves
12:56 tcohen anyone with a translated 3.20/master?
12:57 drojf yes. but i have to update translation, as adding items is broken right now ;)
12:57 drojf (master)
12:57 tcohen i have issues with the lists
12:58 tcohen it keeps showing the "Processing" message
12:58 tcohen works in english
12:58 drojf does it work in the english  version? its probably an unfinished translation
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12:59 drojf lists works for me
13:01 cait it might also somethign it thinks is invalid data
13:01 cait i had this happen with the item search
13:04 tcohen but why it works on the english templateS?
13:05 magnuse tcohen: opac, intranet ot both?
13:06 magnuse gremlins!
13:06 wahanui First of all, keep magnuse out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
13:06 drojf rofl
13:06 tcohen opac works, only intranet
13:06 magnuse lulz
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13:23 drojf tcohen: actually the translated lists page looks different for me. different table/ table layout and there is no processing at all
13:24 drojf not sure if that is something gitify related with translations
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13:30 drojf maybe it's translations not keeping up with bug 13419?
13:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add filters and server-side processing to the shelves list view
13:32 * magnuse wanders off
13:44 drojf magnuse: but don't eat after midnight!
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14:42 kivilahtio the authentication system at C4::Auth is such a mess
14:42 kivilahtio I am wraping up a proposal to refactor it
14:43 kivilahtio but it might be too difficult to do, considering how deeply entwined the whole thing is
14:43 ashimema kivilahtio
14:43 wahanui rumour has it kivilahtio is working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha
14:43 kivilahtio yes?
14:43 ashimema I've been wanting to have that whole section of code reworked for ages
14:43 kivilahtio ashimema: I will post my RFC in an hour
14:43 ashimema and tere's a bug open
14:43 kivilahtio ashimema: hmm
14:43 ashimema but and RFC would be greately apreciated
14:44 ashimema I've not started anything yet beyond a perltidy ;)
14:44 kivilahtio ashimema: I have a diagram on how it should work. I have been mapping that mess for few hours now
14:44 kivilahtio we can talk about it soon
14:44 kivilahtio gimme one hour? or do you have adaughter to pick up ? ;)
14:44 ashimema I've written a couple of auth systems now..
14:44 kivilahtio great
14:44 ashimema I'm still working out the best model ;)
14:44 kivilahtio I kne you had expertise to evaluate it
14:45 ashimema so would be interestd to get your unbiased RFC  ;)
14:45 kivilahtio I'll be bach
14:46 kivilahtio ashimema: how did you pick up my comment so quickly?
14:46 kivilahtio you replied in a nanoseond?
14:47 ashimema just happened to be looking at the window when you made it..
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14:47 ashimema Auth is a right mess.. it's been on my pile to clean it up for about 7 months now..
14:47 ashimema but it's a big job
14:48 ashimema the problem I've had with all of my architectures is that auth can happen in varying orders depending upon the mechanism..
14:49 ashimema so there's no really clear flow you can adopt that will work for all cases..
14:49 ashimema not one that i've worked out yet anyways ;)
14:49 ashimema Mojo::Plugin::Authentication and Mojo::Plugin::Authorization are ineresting idea's though ;)
14:53 drojf i was goint to say "aren't there 5345 frameworks we could add for that?" :P
14:56 kivilahtio I have a solution to that
14:56 tcohen ashimema: morning
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15:03 indradg @karma
15:03 huginn` indradg: Highest karma: "cait" (241), "Joubu" (200), and "tcohen" (189).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-22), "MARC" (-15), and "<-" (-13).  You (indradg) are ranked 26 out of 436.
15:03 tcohen cait++
15:03 tcohen Joubu++
15:03 drojf ie--
15:03 tcohen ie--
15:03 drojf :D
15:04 drojf cait++
15:04 drojf joubu++
15:04 drojf tcohen++
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15:16 kivilahtio ashimema:[…]/edit?usp=sharing
15:16 kivilahtio tcohen:[…]/edit?usp=sharing
15:16 reiveune bye
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15:16 kivilahtio drojf: we already killed ie
15:17 drojf kivilahtio: doesn't matter. it will be around forever :P
15:17 kivilahtio now they have project spartan or edge or whatwasit
15:19 kivilahtio ashimema: are you still here?
15:19 kivilahtio if you are not I am going home
15:19 kivilahtio my candle is burning
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15:29 kivilahtio ashimema: Bug 7174
15:29 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting
15:32 kivilahtio ashimema: tcohen: I will prolly start working on my RFC tomorrow in the Koha::Authentication -namespace. If you find some issues why not, then please send me a @later-message :)
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
15:35 tcohen kivilahtio++
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15:56 ashimema anyone here know how to read POSTDATA (text/xml) where the xml is the whole of the body in using CGI?
15:57 ashimema I can't get this damn thing to work.. CGI just butchers the post body :(
16:00 pianohacker ashimema: take a look at svc/bib
16:00 jeff_ i remember running into challenges when doing that at times, but this seems to be working for me at present:
16:00 jeff_ my $cgi = CGI->new();
16:00 jeff_ my $xml = $cgi->param('POSTDATA');
16:01 jeff_ looks like at one time i needed to fall back to XForms:Model, if this messy comment is to be trusted:
16:01 jeff_ my $xml = $cgi->param('POSTDATA');# || $cgi->param('XForms:Model');
16:02 jeff_ i think the XForms:Model approach is needed if your incoming POST doesn't have an XML content-type.
16:04 tcohen i was going to ask khall_sickday for a bug to be passed qa, but noticed he's sick
16:04 tcohen khall_sickday: how are you feeling?
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16:10 ashimema cheers pianohacker
16:11 ashimema so you have to qw utf8, set the binmode and the encoding
16:11 ashimema then it may or may not appears in param('POSTDATA') if your lucky..
16:11 ashimema that seesm to be about it..
16:11 ashimema what a mess.. I hate CGI..
16:11 ashimema in mojo this would have been soooo easy ;)
16:14 pianohacker mm-hmm...
16:17 ashimema nope..
16:17 ashimema still undefined..
16:17 wahanui undefined is just another object
16:17 ashimema think I'm going to resort to reading it in from STDIN
16:17 ashimema which is rather sucky
16:18 pianohacker ashimema: are you sure that it's being sent from the client correctly?
16:18 ashimema yup
16:18 pianohacker correct content-type?
16:18 ashimema text/xml
16:18 ashimema UTF-8
16:18 ashimema body contains the xml and only the xml
16:18 ashimema but POSTDATA is always empty
16:18 pianohacker hm... I'm wondering if check_api_auth does something different with the CGI object
16:19 ashimema perhaps
16:19 ashimema i need to shoot off now but have a feeling I'll be working through the night on this one later..
16:20 pianohacker take it easy good sir
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16:46 aschorr What kind of questions are asked in this forum?
16:54 gaetan_B bye
16:54 tcohen aschorr: this is a public chat, you can ask whatever you want
16:55 tcohen you won't always get an answer you're looking for
16:55 tcohen it would depend on other people's time/willingnes
16:59 aschorr okay. i'm new to koha and I just had a basic question about the bib itype...
16:59 tcohen shoot
17:00 aschorr If you have multiple item types, do you only have a single bib item type or can you only have multiple?
17:00 tcohen aschorr: have you seen this, right? http://translate.koha-communit[…]/en/html-desktop/
17:01 tcohen people usually do item-level itype, so a bib record can have items with different itypes each
17:01 aschorr Yes, I've most recently worked with 3.18
17:02 aschorr Right, so does that mean you can have multiple 942$c fields too?
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17:04 tcohen nope
17:04 pianohacker aschorr: no, the 942$c is the bib-level item type
17:05 aschorr Yes, that's my question. If you have different item-level item types are you supposed to have matching bib-level item types?
17:15 tcohen aschorr: it depends on what you want to do
17:15 tcohen take a look at the item-level_itypes syspref
17:15 tcohen the description clearly stateswhat are the consecquences fo using either
17:16 drojf so systemd in pbuilder breaks building koha packages? or am i missing something? looks like it is not compatible to bash-completion and explodes when i try to build a package. pbuilder gave me sid by default but wheezy does not work either. looks like it is squeeze on the other machine so i will try that
17:17 pianohacker drojf: that's going to be problematic now that Jessie is out :/
17:17 drojf yes. squeeze is rather old now ;)
17:18 tcohen how is systemd related to bash?
17:18 drojf hm no it is wheezy inside pbuilder on the other machine too
17:19 drojf tcohen: when i try to build a package, bash-completion is a dependency. but it seems to be not compatible to systemd and some other packages. when i try to install bash-completion manually, i geht huge warnings about it
17:20 tcohen but you don't need it to build koha-common, right? it is an optional install dependency
17:20 drojf there is pbuilder wheezy but no systemd on the old machine. can't get it on the new one. hm
17:20 drojf tcohen: i don't know why it is there actually
17:21 drojf but i suppose it has some reason? :)
17:21 tcohen koha-common ships tab-completion  for the koha-* scripts if you have bash-completion installed
17:21 tcohen ;-)
17:23 drojf i will try to copy the old base.tgz to the new machine and not care about all of this :P
17:26 tcohen do u use the koha-* scripts at all?
17:29 drojf i do. and the purpose of the machine is to automatically build koha packages from master + patches, so it would be nice if it actually worked with the code as is :)
17:30 drojf i forgot how slow my upload is at home. guess i will do some shopping now instead of staring at the upload for another 15 minutes
17:30 tcohen never heard of that kind of problems
17:30 drojf me neither, i have been building koha packages for a while now
17:31 drojf or did you mean my slow upload? :P
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17:32 tcohen bash-completion vs. systemd
17:32 tcohen not that i'm suprised something trivial and working got broken by systemd integration
17:33 tcohen :-P
17:34 drojf heh
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17:47 aschorr Thank you tcohen!  I looked at sys prefs for item_level_itypes. Looks like it doesn't really matter if item is the authoritative item type.
17:49 tcohen good you found your answer :-D
17:49 drojf oh. haha. the host needed bash-completion, not the pbuilder environment :D
17:50 drojf and it was easily available :D
17:50 drojf lol
17:50 drojf well, nevermind :)
17:51 tcohen heh
17:51 tcohen damn
17:52 tcohen we cannot blame systemd
17:55 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14002: Display readonly values as plain text <[…]041b0886f87631e27> / Bug 14002: Show patron expiry date in OPAC <[…]5a0e8e72c14cf7c4f> / Bug 14440: get_template_and_user can not have an empty template_name (quote* <
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17:59 tcohen bye #koha
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18:13 AmitG hi
18:13 AmitG galen around?
18:14 gmcharlt AmitG: hmm?
18:24 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "AmitG: and here's another way to do it" (10 lines) at
18:35 AmitG thanks galen
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18:47 drojf building a koha package on the cheapo vps takes ~7 minutes. nice.
18:58 cait :)
19:05 drojf ashimema: are the ptfs europe sandboxes mentioned here supposed to be up? not working for me
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20:17 * wizzyrea_ hates on winter some more
20:22 pianohacker I'm tempted to taunt you with our bright burning sun, but our winter was crappy enough that I'll hold off...
20:23 wizzyrea_ :)
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20:37 * cait waves
20:37 rangi morning
20:37 Dyrcona afternoon.
20:37 wahanui afternoon is good
20:38 wizzyrea_ <time-of-day>
20:39 Dyrcona heh
20:43 wizzyrea_ jeff++
20:56 mtj hey #koha
20:56 mtj we upgraded to 3.18.8 last nite, wiz :0)
20:57 mtj thanks for the release :p
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21:00 wizzyrea_ :) we've done heaps of 3.16's, so thank you too :)
21:00 * wizzyrea_ is just glad she didn't stuff it up
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23:09 wnickc have a good night all
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23:14 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 31.3°C (4:14 PM PDT on June 25, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect from noon Friday to 5 am PDT Sunday...
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