IRC log for #koha, 2015-06-26

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03:30 liz does anyone know about this error  ERROR in koha-conf.xml -- missing <font type="Ft1">/path/to/font.ttf</font>
03:30 liz I see that my koha-conf doesn't have a font entry for Ft1
03:30 liz should I have one?
03:31 pianohacker liz: what triggers it?
03:33 liz exporting a label batch to PDF
03:33 liz something to do with bug 8375 I think, but geez I've got no idea.
03:33 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, RESOLVED FIXED, Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
03:34 liz also /path/to/font is literal
03:37 pianohacker liz: Digging around in the code doesn't produce much, though I'm completely unfamiliar with the code in question. does t/Creators.t pass?
03:38 liz hm dunno, but I'd guess so it's 3.20.1
03:38 liz can't build a release without it passing
03:42 liz thanks for having a think about it, idk what's going on there it's something weird-ish
03:43 pianohacker yeah, looks like you'd need some help from chris_n
03:43 pianohacker Cause this stuff is _weird_
03:43 pianohacker good night and good luck
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06:14 kivilahtio good moorning #koha
06:38 * magnuse waves
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06:42 reiveune hello
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07:00 marcelr hi #koha
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07:05 alex_a bonjour
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07:15 fridolin hie there
07:19 cait morning #koha
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07:23 liz hi cait
07:23 cait hi liz
07:23 liz oh I should push stuff.
07:24 magnuse push all the stuff!
07:26 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha | Code of conduct -[…]/code-of-conduct/ |  Please use for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is
07:26 liz well I will push stuff when my / is not at 100% :P
07:26 liz full*
07:26 cait hm?
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07:30 gaetan_B hello
07:30 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
07:34 cait the patch for the ratings seems problematic for 3.18
07:35 cait from 14440
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08:14 liz oh?
08:14 liz how so
08:16 liz hm
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08:39 drojf morning #koha
08:40 marcelr hi drojf
08:42 drojf hi marcelr
08:48 * cait waves
08:49 drojf hi cait
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09:29 AmitG @bug 6810
09:29 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices
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10:49 drojf can i get gibt bz to automatically apply a patch without asking me? --quiet does not seem to work
10:49 drojf git bz even
10:51 drojf looks like it works when i don't use the fishsoup branch
10:51 drojf with 'yes | git bz apply xxxx' (for the one person finding that in the log in 7 years from now)
10:58 cait :)
11:19 cait this new 'feedback on what was last checked out' thing has broken umlauts ....
11:23 cait bug 14465
11:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14465 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Broken umlauts/diacritics in feedback of last checkout
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12:23 kivilahtio I wonder has anybody heard of the userid 'demo' and password 'demo' and C4::Context->config('demo') ?
12:23 kivilahtio cait: have you?
12:24 kivilahtio that feature is 10 years old
12:25 kivilahtio even more
12:26 cait khall++
12:26 kivilahtio git blame cannot tell and I have just ran out of tools in my toolbox
12:26 cait i think it's an old feature
12:26 kivilahtio should we get rid of it?
12:26 kivilahtio why not just use admin 1234 as the superuser password instead?
12:27 AmitG @bug 6810?
12:27 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices
12:27 AmitG kyle around?
12:27 AmitG khall around?
12:29 marcelr khall ashimema: please check bug 14167
12:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14167 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Koha::Logger based on Log4perl
12:35 AmitG @bug 14465
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12:35 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14465 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Patch doesn't apply , Broken umlauts/diacritics in feedback of last checkout
12:38 grharry I am on jessie and 3.20.01  and I get this from intranet opac when I search the catalogue "Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20/ line 215"
12:38 grharry Anybody seen this ??
12:39 grharry and my query is not done in latin 1 but in greek utf8
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12:41 tcohen morning!
12:41 AmitG hi tcohen
12:42 tcohen hi AmitG cait
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12:51 ntonylaq Hi everyone. Quick question about slowiness ;-)
12:52 ntonylaq We went from version 3.12.X --> 3.18.X last week.  Opac result are now up to 125% slower then before.
12:53 ntonylaq We have a monitoring system that "ping" koha each 10 minutes and we went from 7.5 seconds to more than 20 secondes.
12:53 ntonylaq We did not change anything special in the config ( we think...)
12:53 ntonylaq What is causing this ?
12:53 ntonylaq How to go back to a normal delay ?
12:54 tcohen is it sendnig an ICMP package to the server? or you just try to render some page?
12:55 ntonylaq Well it's doing a "wget".
12:55 ntonylaq But we see the slow opac when we do it manually
12:56 ntonylaq My automated script ( using zabbix) go on the opac and do 5 actions ( 1 just to get the welcome page and 4 search).
12:57 ntonylaq The performance is terrible and client complain ( and I understand them...)
12:57 AmitG @bug 14465
12:57 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14465 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Broken umlauts/diacritics in feedback of last checkout
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12:59 tcohen ntonylaq: is it a new clean install?
13:00 tcohen you should disable zebra facets in koha-conf.xml
13:00 ntonylaq yes
13:00 ntonylaq how to disable it ?
13:01 ntonylaq <use_zebra_facets>1</use_zebra_facets>
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13:02 ntonylaq tcohen: Do we need to restart or just reload apache ?  Do we need to restart zebra ?
13:02 tcohen neither
13:02 tcohen you could restart memcached
13:03 tcohen just in case the file is cached
13:03 tcohen otherwise it will take some time to pick the new one
13:04 ntonylaq looks good!
13:05 grharry Hi ... there seems to be a bug in intranet of version 3.20.01
13:05 ntonylaq tcohen: I dont have memcache install
13:06 cait khall++ again for the quick fix - updates are rollign now :)
13:06 ntonylaq it that something that would help ?
13:06 tcohen did my suggestion help already?
13:06 ntonylaq Yep , I gain about 5 sec!
13:07 ntonylaq Im not quit where we were before but it's already better
13:07 tcohen ntonylaq: koha always get better
13:07 ntonylaq I still need to gain about 2-3 secs ;-)
13:08 kivilahtio ntonylaq: there is s system preference to control from how large group you want to generate facets from
13:08 kivilahtio ntonylaq: so if you want to have some accuracy of facets nad minimal delay from them
13:08 kivilahtio ntonylaq: search system preferences with "facet"
13:16 chris_n @later tell liz see my response to bug 14463
13:16 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded.
13:29 kivilahtio Are we trying to deprecate MD5 in Koha passwords with Bcrypt?
13:30 kivilahtio tcohen: ?
13:30 kivilahtio tcohen: Are we trying to deprecate MD5 in Koha passwords with Bcrypt?
13:30 tcohen hi kivilahtio
13:30 kivilahtio hi there
13:30 tcohen hi, about?
13:30 kivilahtio tcohen: I am making progress with the Authentication rewrite :)
13:30 kivilahtio the link I posted yeasterday for which you gave me ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
13:31 * tcohen is upgrading to 3.20 his 49 instances
13:31 tcohen kivilahtio: I'm glad to hear that
13:31 kivilahtio I am refactoring the existing C4::Auth to use the reusable components
13:31 kivilahtio I don't understand the sepcifics of LDAP CAS and Shibboleth authentication so I might not touch them for now, so I am trying to leave everything functioning 100% as it was
13:32 kivilahtio so I don't break unit tests for ez
13:32 kivilahtio Then define the basic authentication methods in the new Koha::Auth
13:32 kivilahtio and then hopefully get working with the Swagger2 authentication
13:32 kivilahtio :)
13:32 kivilahtio some day
13:32 kivilahtio but should I tag MD5 as deprecated
13:32 tcohen you need to rely on colin and ashimema regarding authentication
13:32 kivilahtio this is my question
13:33 ashimema assume MD5 is deprecated ;)
13:33 kivilahtio since in Koha::AuthUtils there is only Bcrypt with salt
13:33 ashimema it's insecure..
13:33 kivilahtio ashimema: I am no cryptography expert by MD5_64 sounds awfully low
13:33 kivilahtio thus I am asking :)
13:33 ashimema it's only there for backwards compatibility as far as I know..
13:33 Dyrcona kivilahtio++
13:34 kivilahtio Dyrcona: you can find the spec here[…]coMJofKjJcfo/edit
13:34 kivilahtio ashimema: Ok I'll tag it as @DEPRECATED
13:34 ashimema not sure if there was ever a way to update md5 passwords to bcrypt ones though.. so it may be needed still for clients that haven't updated their passwords in ages ;)
13:34 drojf is koha-stop-zebra broken? it tells me zebra is already stopped, which isn't true
13:34 ashimema I certainly wouldn't voluntarily store passwords using it anymore
13:35 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I was looking at it.
13:35 Dyrcona Evergreen is looking at an authentication overhaul, too.
13:35 kivilahtio ashimema: tcohen: Dyrcona: you should follow Bug 7174 - Authentication rewriting if you are interested. I will post my modifications today regardless if they work 100%
13:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting
13:35 Dyrcona kivilahtio++ # For his Evergreen debugged document, too. ;)
13:36 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I cant remember anymore
13:36 * magnuse calls it a (bad) week and wanders off
13:36 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I remember totally crumbling trying to get the debugger running in EG.
13:36 kivilahtio Dyrcona: but nowadays I guess I could dominate Eg, since I have learned to debug all forked/multithreaded apps in Perl
13:36 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I have found it very useful, although something has changed in Perl, OpenSRF, or Ubuntu 14.04 and it doesn't quite work.
13:37 kivilahtio Dyrcona: no surprise :)
13:37 kivilahtio Dyrcona: how is EG nowadays?
13:37 kivilahtio Dyrcona: you can try running the perl debugger in xterm-windows
13:37 tcohen magnuse: isn't friday pizza day
13:37 tcohen ?
13:37 kivilahtio but that sucks badly, if you cannot get the session to a proper IDE
13:37 tcohen how can that be bad?
13:37 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I plan to play with debugging some more once we've completed the move of our offices.
13:38 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I was using Debug::Fork::Tmux, but I'm going to try with xterm next time.
13:38 Dyrcona kivilahtio: The perl debugger isn't that bad. It's similar to GDB.
13:39 kivilahtio Dyrcona: the point is not that it is bad, but it is extremely hard to use and really poorly documented. For ex compared to Java debuggin on Tomcat
13:39 kivilahtio JAva even has code hot-swap which is freaking cool (when it works : )
13:39 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Yes, and apparently some of the commands changed between relatively recent Perl versions.
13:40 kivilahtio Dyrcona: unfortunately I don't know anything about that :(
13:49 cait isn't the problem with bcrypt that old passwords might still be stored as it?
13:49 cait because we didn't enforce users to change their passowrds
13:52 kivilahtio cait: I am talking about tagging it deprecated, not removing it
13:53 cait right :)
14:00 chris_n funny, mbalmer has shown back up on #koha over on freenode
14:04 kivilahtio chris_n: could you be a bit more verbose? isn't it nice to have backups?
14:09 chris_n verbosity?
14:10 chris_n verbosity is a profusion of words which may or may not mean anything in particular
14:11 * chris_n looks around for the bot
14:11 chris_n wahanui: verbosity is a profusion of words which may or may not mean anything in particular
14:11 wahanui i already had it that way, chris_n.
14:12 chris_n kivilahtio: search the logs for that nick sometime ;-)
14:12 kivilahtio ok
14:12 kivilahtio sounds like an adventure
14:12 chris_n very much so
14:12 chris_n and backups are fantastic... most of the time
14:13 kivilahtio unless it is back up ;)
14:13 kivilahtio in this context
14:13 kivilahtio backups are back up
14:13 chris_n lol
14:21 liw mmm, backups
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14:34 drojf @seen mbalmer
14:34 huginn` drojf: mbalmer was last seen in #koha 2 years, 38 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 22 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <mbalmer> I see it a bit different, obviously.
14:44 chris_n indeed, he did
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15:01 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:02 mtompset @later tell khall SWEET! Thanks.
15:02 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
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15:26 mtompset Bye, cait.
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15:27 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
15:27 AmitG hi mtompset
15:27 mtompset Greetings.
15:27 wahanui and beatings!
15:27 mtompset wahanui: forget greetings
15:27 wahanui mtompset: I forgot greetings
15:27 mtompset Greetings.
15:30 pianohacker hi mtompset
15:30 AmitG hi pianohacker
15:30 pianohacker hi AmitG
15:31 mtompset I feel so unloved, pianohacker. ;)
15:32 pianohacker but why?
15:33 pianohacker wahanui greeted you so enthusiastically!
15:33 wahanui pianohacker: huh?
15:34 tcohen #koha: anyone with experience in setting HEAD?
15:34 tcohen HEA?
15:34 wahanui i heard HEA was coming (see
15:35 mtompset pianohacker: Ha ha. :P
15:36 mtompset Sorry, tcohen. Not I.
15:36 pianohacker tcohen: the server or client side?
15:36 pianohacker I think the client side is just a syspref and a cronjob, no?
15:36 tcohen client, I plan to set all my instances
15:37 tcohen (upgrading 3.12 > 3.20 right now)
15:37 pianohacker *blink* wow. Good luck.
15:37 tcohen it works :-D
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15:49 kivilahtio tcohen: good luck. This is a big leap for your libraries!
15:50 kivilahtio have a great weekend. Thank you for letting me refactor the auth system
15:50 kivilahtio it is pretty awesome work!
15:50 kivilahtio early submits already here Bug 7174
15:50 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting
15:52 pianohacker kivilahtio: pfft. Not sure your commits will be pushed with that precise message, but good on you for diving into the muck :)
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16:12 m1234 hello. Recently I upgraded from 3.14 to 3.16 and everything seems to have worked nicely. Yesterday I did an OS upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy. Now, I get an error: Auth ERROR: Cannot get_session() at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 781.
16:12 m1234 any suggestions of what this means?
16:18 mtompset Was your apache upgraded to 2.4?
16:19 m1234 i don't think so
16:19 m1234 i honestly do not know
16:20 m1234 am i supposed to have apache on 2.4 or would that be a problem?
16:21 Dyrcona I *think* wheezy still has 2.2 as the Apache version.
16:21 Dyrcona Yep:
16:23 mtompset Is this a production system or a git install?
16:24 m1234 git install
16:24 mtompset And you are talking about a git install with 3.16?
16:25 mtompset 3.16.x?
16:25 m1234 yes
16:25 m1234 to update to 3.16 i did the following: git checkout -b 3.16.x-clean --track origin/3.16.x
16:26 m1234 i ran the dependencies
16:26 m1234 and all seemed ok
16:26 mtompset how did you check: ./ -m -u?
16:27 m1234 sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages
16:27 m1234 perl
16:27 * mtompset cringes.
16:27 m1234 perl  -m -u
16:28 mtompset Though, given that you only jumped to 3.16.x, I guess you have to do it that way.
16:29 mtompset because if you have 3.18.x or 3.20.x, you could sudo apt-get install koha_perldeps koha_deps with the appropriate repo (stable or oldstable)
16:29 m1234 ah
16:30 Dyrcona Wouldn't you want to reinstall after upgrading the O/S?
16:30 Dyrcona Or do the steps again, at least?
16:30 m1234 reinstall 3.16?
16:30 Dyrcona Well, the deps maybe.
16:31 Dyrcona I don't actually run koha, but it would seem to me dependencies could be out of date if you updated the O/S without updating Koha again.
16:31 mtompset Dyrcona: I'd rather install a new VM with the correct OS, and reinstall freshly, then drop DB, import old DB, and go to staff client... stop zebra, full reindex, and start zebra.
16:31 Dyrcona I usually do that with everything I install from git.
16:31 Dyrcona mtompset: Well, yeah, that would be ideal.
16:33 mtompset If I upgraded my OS in place, I would jump to stable or old stable, not 3.16.x
16:35 mtompset BTW, I would look into a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade, just to make sure everything is up to date.
16:35 mtompset sudo apt-get install pmtools
16:35 mtompset pmvers CGI::Session
16:36 m1234 maybe i should first upgrade to Wheezy and only after jump to 3.16
16:37 m1234 right now my boss asked me to upgrade only to 3.16
16:39 mtompset m1234: Why only Wheezy?
16:40 m1234 What OS should I use?
16:40 mtompset Why not Jessie? Debian 8 is already out
16:41 m1234 I think only Koha 3.20 goes with Jessie?
16:41 m1234 am i wrong?
16:41 mtompset Older versions can.
16:41 mtompset But if you wish to upgrade to 3.20, you'll need to upgrade your OS again.
16:41 mtompset OS upgrades are a pain.
16:42 m1234 i noticed that
16:42 m1234 i'm feeling the pain
16:42 m1234 i'm supposed to upgrade to only 3.16
16:42 mtompset You can run 3.16 on Jessie.
16:43 mtompset It's not like the packages for Wheezy suddenly went away.
16:44 m1234 well, thank goodness for snapshots. I can revert and start over
16:44 m1234 sticking for now with 3.16 and Wheezy, what would be your suggestion?
16:45 m1234 upgrade the OS and rerun the dependencies
16:46 mtompset OS upgrade first.... get 3.14 working properly.
16:46 mtompset THEN koha upgrade to 3.16.x
16:46 m1234 sounds like a good plan
16:46 mtompset Though, I would inform your boss that 3.20 is out.
16:46 m1234 hahaha
16:46 m1234 she knows
16:46 mtompset and that upgrading to 3.18.x is easier.
16:47 m1234 i might go to 3.18
16:47 m1234 if that's much easier
16:47 mtompset sudo apt-get install koha_perldeps from oldstable.
16:47 mtompset of course it is easier!
16:48 m1234 :-)
16:48 mtompset sudo apt-get install koha_deps from oldstable (too)
16:48 mtompset and then upgrading on a forward basis becomes easier.
16:48 mtompset boss, 3.22 just came up... want to upgrade to 3.20.x?
16:49 m1234 all in good time
16:49 Dyrcona Lots of places stay a couple revisions behind on their ILS.
16:50 mtompset Yes, but why 2 years?
16:51 mtompset upgrading to oldstable and staying there seems perfectly reasonable to me.
16:52 m1234 mtompset and Dyrcona, thank you so much for the help!
16:52 mtompset You're welcome. Hopefully I helped some. :)
16:52 Dyrcona mtompset: I don't know really. I install Evergreen from the master git branch in production. ;)
16:53 * mtompset screams, "Early adopter! Early adopter!"
16:53 Dyrcona :)
16:53 Dyrcona Usually around release time, so we get alpha or beta of the new release.
16:54 Dyrcona Then we update with bug patches, etc. as needed.
16:54 Dyrcona We're going to wait for the 2.9 release for our next upgrade.
16:54 * Dyrcona is 2.9 release manager.
16:57 mtompset
16:57 Dyrcona Heh.
16:57 mtompset (Bon Jovi -- Living on a Prayer) -- all that bleeding edge.
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17:21 gaetan_B bye
17:55 AmitG @bug 6810
17:55 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices
17:55 AmitG @bug 14382
17:55 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14382 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , datepicker's dateFormat setting for reports is missing
17:55 mtompset AmitG: Don't flood the channel.
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17:58 AmitG Good night all!
17:58 mtompset Bye, AmitG.
18:15 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11882: (QA followup) fix capitalization errors <[…]3ef2454decb91d77f> / Bug 11882: Add a new button to the checkout confirmation dialog when checking out... <[…]0c296a63ede53c547>
18:25 drojf how/where would i find the response of an sru server to the request from the koha server? the url that is actually used for the query would be good too
18:27 pianohacker drojf: tcpdump might honestly be your easiest option
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21:20 pianohacker @seen dcook
21:20 huginn` pianohacker: dcook was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, and 5 seconds ago: <dcook> Later folk
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21:42 drojf pianohacker: in the end just trying with yaz-client got me somewhere. the server has a strange configuration, i doubt it is intended like this
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22:14 drojf sru is fun

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