IRC log for #koha, 2015-04-15

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00:08 wizzyrea hrm no mtompsett
01:26 eythian It's so quiet in here
01:26 wizzyrea tis indeed
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02:09 wizzyrea @later tell mtompsett did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets?
02:09 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
02:10 wizzyrea @later tell mtompset did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets?
02:10 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
02:30 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
02:30 wahanui i guess the saddest thing is that we're winning the war on bees.
02:30 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
02:30 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
03:01 wizzyrea wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
03:01 wahanui well, the saddest thing is
03:01 wizzyrea nothing like the "ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player. "
03:17 bag @seen rangi
03:17 huginn` bag: rangi was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <rangi> eythian:[…]87415742599028736
03:21 eythian @wunder nzwn
03:21 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
03:21 eythian also, hi bag
03:26 bag hi eythian
03:35 bag @wunder 93111
03:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Goleta East, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 9 am PDT Wednesday...
03:35 bag @wunder 97215
03:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 5.6°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
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04:07 * wizzyrea wonders what they consider high wind in santa barbara
04:13 * magnuse waves
04:15 wizzyrea kittyland love center?
04:16 wizzyrea hi magnuse :D
04:20 magnuse hiya wizzyrea
04:20 magnuse @wunder boo
04:20 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (5:50 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady).
04:20 magnuse no fresh snow today - woohoo!
04:21 wizzyrea \o/
04:21 magnuse :-)
04:21 wizzyrea do you usually get snow in April?
04:21 magnuse i don't remember, but yeah, it's not unusual, i think
04:21 magnuse march often has lots of snow
04:22 wizzyrea I just watched a mini documentary about snow country in Japan
04:22 wizzyrea and I thought of you, and all of the novel ways that you probably have to deal with snow
04:22 magnuse hehe, novel?
04:22 eythian magnuse: there's snow here if you want some (not right here, but further south)
04:23 magnuse eythian: thanks, but we are trying to get rid of ours too
04:23 magnuse eythian: is that normal
04:23 magnuse ?
04:23 eythian no, it's earlier than normal
04:23 magnuse hm
04:24 magnuse how much further south?
04:24 magnuse (i guess if you go far enough there is always snow...)
04:25 eythian the south island
04:25 wizzyrea gosh, almost up into canterbury ya?
04:25 eythian more than that I think
04:25 wizzyrea well definitely there was snow on most of the southern alps.
04:26 eythian oh, more central actually, possibly into canterbury
04:26 wizzyrea I didn't note how close to sea level the snow fell
04:26 eythian there was a satellite photo that I can't find
04:26 wizzyrea it was cooooold though
04:27 eythian desert road snowed out hahaha
04:27 magnuse are people prepared for that, or does it result in crises, and closed schools?
04:27 magnuse i remember nz houses as kind of... flimsy
04:27 wizzyrea it's school holidays so probably no one closed schools
04:27 eythian down there it's OK. It probably won't have lasted more than a day or two anyway.
04:28 wizzyrea nah, not crises.
04:28 wizzyrea now, in *wellington...*
04:28 eythian it's common enough that it doesn't cause crises, but rare enough that it causes the occasional closure.
04:28 wizzyrea yeah everything would shut down just so people could go play in it :P
04:28 magnuse when i was on kapiti some people were talking about people freezing to death i their houses because of out of the ordinary cole weather
04:29 eythian kapiti is usually warmer.
04:29 magnuse i remember a video showing snow in wellington
04:29 wizzyrea were the people from auckland :P
04:29 wizzyrea they'd freeze to death at 5c.
04:29 magnuse i *think* they lived somewhere around levin
04:29 magnuse but i am not sure what area they were talking about
04:30 wizzyrea up in the hills it might get quite cold
04:32 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
04:32 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
04:32 * wizzyrea considers 13 reasonable weather
04:32 wizzyrea it's sunny so
04:34 wizzyrea definitely autumnal.
04:34 magnuse sounds nice
04:34 * magnuse will have to visit the south island some time
04:35 magnuse because some of it looks like norway ;-)
04:36 wizzyrea it's nice there
04:38 magnuse i want to go back to the birds on kapiti too
04:40 magnuse well that was weird - a record with more than 1 million items
04:44 magnuse deleted them, and now i have itemnumbers jumping from 7813 to 12318, and from 49103 to 3298750
04:49 magnuse bbiab
04:53 eythian magnuse: I think you'll find that the Swiss like to claim that it looks like Switzerland, too.
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06:35 reiveune hello
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06:37 alex_a bonjour
06:37 wahanui hi, alex_a
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06:45 reiveune re
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07:17 fridolin bonjour tout le monde
07:21 Joubu morning #koha
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07:26 gaetan_B hello
07:26 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
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07:32 mveron Good morning / daytime everybody
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07:46 Joubu mveron: Hi! Good job to kill C4::Dates :)
07:46 Joubu mveron: I am on it, ready to SO, I gonna submit the followup for the 2 issues I found
07:47 magnuse mveron++ Joubu++
07:49 cait mveron++ Joubu++ indeed :)
07:49 mveron Joubu: Super!
07:50 mveron It is only a first step, though, there will be more to be done...
07:50 Joubu mveron: the first one is always the hardest
07:50 Joubu (no really actually...)
07:51 mveron ...and the last 20% as well...
07:52 * mveron will be back in a minute or two, suport call..
07:52 cait yeah ... the last 20 *shudders*
07:53 * magnuse too
08:16 * mveron should have done Bug 13813 by separate bug numbers to boost Joubou's singn-off score on the dashboard :-)
08:16 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
08:20 magnuse in science they call that salami publishing ;-)
08:28 mveron :-)
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08:47 mveron @wunder Allschwil
08:47 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:47 mveron @wunder Helsinki
08:47 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 5.0°C (11:20 AM EEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:50 magnuse @wunder boo
08:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady).
08:50 magnuse wow, nice weather in switzerland!
08:52 mveron magnuse: but you have already longer days than we have, I think...
08:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:52 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 14.7°C (10:52 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
09:06 cait mveron wins :)
09:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:06 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
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09:20 rangi new patch for bug 7143
09:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
09:20 rangi 277 devs now
09:23 cait hi rangi
09:23 cait good number :)
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09:29 magnuse just 23 more and we reach 300
09:29 magnuse i am number 102
09:29 magnuse wow
09:36 cait Joubu++
09:36 cait bub 10181
09:36 cait bug even
09:36 drojf hi #koha
09:37 cait hi drojf
09:43 magnuse bug 10181
09:43 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10181 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improve message shown for deleted records in basket summary page
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10:22 mveron Oh, I have a meeting...
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11:58 Joubu @later tell tcohen have a look at bug 13189 comment 14 please
11:58 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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13:51 * cait sends Joubu cookies
13:53 * cait has a library that is finding one bug after the other right nwo :(
13:53 Joubu next bug is 14k...
13:54 Joubu don't want to open it :)
13:54 cait they just ran into 13482
13:54 cait Joubu: how did you genearte the list?
13:54 Joubu I have opened 13998 this morning
13:55 Joubu so I checked 13999, it exists, not 14000 :)
13:55 cait oh
13:55 cait that's what you meant :)
13:55 cait i thought you were working now on the 14xxx :)
13:56 cait Joubu: i think the library also manage dto find the bug we could not reproduce - items due today listed as overdue on the slip print
13:57 cait ... now i can't find the bug
13:57 Joubu which one? 13482?
13:57 cait that's the first thing they ran into, now another
13:58 cait the lbirarian is testing all the notices
13:58 Joubu bug 12933?
13:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to print overdue slip from staff intranet
13:58 cait hm not quite
13:58 cait i think it was one bywater reported, barton?
13:58 Joubu bug 12847
13:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken
13:59 cait sth like bug 8813
13:59 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8813 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, issue slip lists items as overdue that are not overdue
13:59 cait oh that could be the one i was thiking about
13:59 cait i have a screenshot proof - it#s happening
14:00 Joubu Do you have steps to get the issue?
14:00 cait writing note on the bug report, then will try again
14:01 barton cait: I think 12933 is all khall.
14:02 cait remembered it wrong - but glad Joubu found it
14:02 khall yeah, I need to get that fixed up!
14:02 barton ahyes, the date comparisons.
14:03 cait trying to add some info to the bug report
14:03 cait maybe we can find the 'thing' to make it happen all the time
14:03 barton cait: I'm pretty sure that got fixed master, somewhere along the way.
14:03 cait barton: that is the super latest stable release
14:03 cait if it got fixed
14:03 cait we want to find and backport
14:04 barton ah...
14:06 barton @seen nickc
14:06 huginn` barton: I have not seen nickc.
14:06 cait huh. it's happening in one installation but not the other... oh joy
14:06 cait same version
14:06 barton happy happy joy joy.
14:07 barton [I have to be careful saying that in #bywater ;-) ]
14:10 barton @seen wnickc
14:10 huginn` barton: wnickc was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <wnickc> some sanity is better than none ;-)
14:11 barton cait: were you referring to Bug 12847 when you said that it was varying by installation?
14:11 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken
14:11 Joubu cait: could you get the screenshot?
14:12 cait i will check for personsal data - give me a moment to anonymize, then ic an upload
14:12 cait barton: yes, same versin, different results :(
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14:16 cait maybe only happens at a specific time on wednedays?
14:18 cait Joubu: screenshot uploaded to bug 12847
14:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken
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14:21 Joubu Could you confirm date_due="2015-04-15 23:59:00" in DB?
14:21 cait give me a second :)
14:21 cait i hope it's sitll there
14:21 cait test environment for the library - they are testing all the things today
14:22 cait ok, still there, and it happens when i print the slip as well
14:22 cait checking the db now
14:24 cait Joubu: issues.date_due is: '2015-05-15 23:59:00'
14:24 cait looking fine to me
14:25 Joubu funny, it comes from getpendingissues, the issuedate is erased
14:25 Joubu I noticed that this morning
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14:25 Joubu 1202             $_->{issuedate} = dt_from_string($_->{issuedate}, 'sql');
14:25 Joubu this is quite stupid
14:25 Joubu s/quite/completely
14:25 cait hm but is issuedate the one we want?
14:26 Joubu no but :)
14:26 cait it still makes no sense? :)
14:27 Joubu in IssueSplip, an issue is considered as overdue if $overdue is set
14:28 Joubu and it is set only if it is not considered as non overdue
14:28 Joubu and it is considered as non overdue if
14:28 Joubu 2443         if ((substr $it->{'issuedate'}, 0, 10) eq $now || (substr $it->{'lastreneweddate'}, 0, 10) eq $now) {
14:28 Joubu so issuedate is checked
14:28 cait but... tht makes no sense
14:28 Joubu don't try to understand last 5 sentences :)
14:29 cait or... maybe it does, but it cuts of the time?
14:29 barton Joubu: yeah, that's completely broken -- even if it does the right thing some times.
14:29 Joubu ok I know
14:30 Joubu it has been renew today
14:30 cait i am confused by it looking at the issuedate instead of the due_date
14:30 Joubu hum... I will write some tests
14:30 cait and also the lastrenewddate seems so weird
14:30 Joubu cait: could you just check the lastreneweddate value please?
14:30 cait overdue: the due_date and time are before... now.
14:30 cait yep of course sec
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14:31 cait issuedate: '2015-04-15 16:16:14'
14:31 cait lastreneweddate: NULL
14:32 cait ... and thx a lot :)
14:32 Joubu ok :)
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14:52 thd tcohen: are you present?
14:54 thd cait: What is the proper way in which I can indicate disapproval for a QA pass?
14:56 cait leaving a comment with your argumentation
14:57 cait thd: which bug are you talking about?
14:57 thd cait: QA status toggle is next to the comment submission form.
14:57 thd bug 13912 which is on the agenda for today's development meeting.
14:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17
14:58 cait sorry, i dont't understand
14:58 cait hm this one is failed qa actually
14:58 cait not passed
14:58 cait ah i see, you left the comment
14:58 thd cait: Only because I changed the status when I submitted my comment.
14:59 cait the default to US seems valid - haven't read further yet
14:59 cait should default to empty i guess?
15:00 thd cait: I am trying to ask the appropriate manner in which I would include my signal about QA without changing the global status.
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15:00 thd cait: Yes, my objection is mostly about empty defauting to US.
15:01 thd s/defauting/defaulting/
15:01 cait hm meeting time now?
15:01 cait can i get 2 mins?
15:03 thd cait: which 2 minutes would you like?
15:04 cait ok, is the meeting time now?
15:04 cait or do i have my timezones wrrong again?
15:04 cait and... tcohen?
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15:05 thd tcohen exactly.
15:05 tajoli Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy
15:05 Joubu cait: correct, it's now :)
15:05 cait hm, i think we shuld start then
15:05 Joubu (unless the overdue flag is set)
15:05 cait one moment, need to pull up the agenda
15:06 cait Joubu: lol
15:06 cait #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1
15:06 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 15 15:06:37 2015 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at
15:06 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:06 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1)
15:06 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1'
15:06 cait #topic Introductions
15:06 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:06 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1)
15:06 cait please introduce yourself with #info
15:07 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
15:07 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe
15:07 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy
15:07 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions
15:07 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:07 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
15:08 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:09 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
15:09 ablj #info Jacek Ablewicz, Cracow Univ. of Technology
15:10 cait hm pinged tcohen - no response
15:10 tcohen hi
15:11 cait oh goood!
15:11 tcohen sorry, really busy day
15:11 cait can you info please? :)
15:11 tcohen give me 2 minutes
15:11 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba
15:11 cait i got 2... we will give you 2 too :)
15:11 cait #topic RM 3.20 comments
15:11 Topic for #koha is now RM 3.20 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1)
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15:13 tcohen hi everyone
15:13 tcohen i've been troubled and i'm sorry for not being around too much, i'm almost back
15:14 tcohen and will try to use most of my office time for RM tasks until release
15:14 tcohen there's been a lag on pushing enhancements and new features
15:14 tcohen i tried to focus on bugfixes once i got back
15:14 tcohen so they hit the stable branches ASAP
15:15 khall good plan of attack
15:15 tcohen so, I'm in the process of testing/pushing enhancements and new features
15:15 cait tcohen++
15:15 tcohen 3.20 is looking good so far, stable, issues have been fixed really quick once we noticed
15:16 tcohen so
15:16 tcohen koha++
15:16 tcohen we need to set a cut day for enahncements
15:16 tcohen and I'd say stuff that isn't passed-qa next week should be left for 3.22
15:17 cait friday next or monday next week?
15:17 tcohen i have some concerns about some stuff on my queue (next topic)
15:17 tcohen but we can talk about them
15:17 tcohen next week: wednesday :-D
15:17 tcohen so we can release a beta during the weekend or so
15:18 cait soon now :)
15:18 tcohen you had fun filling my queue, you had enough time .-D
15:18 cait just to be precise.. the wednesday still counts? your timezone? or tuesday midnight your timezoneß ;)
15:18 * cait kows the devs
15:19 tcohen i come to the office at 9am ART
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15:19 tcohen around 9:10 thursday :-D
15:19 tcohen i'll take a screenshot at that time
15:19 tcohen =D
15:20 cait #info Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 30, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in
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15:20 francharb Good morning all
15:20 tcohen so you want one more week? :-D
15:20 cait arg.
15:21 cait i just can't type
15:21 cait #info CORRECTION: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 22nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in
15:21 cait sorry!
15:21 tcohen #info CORRECTION 2: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in
15:21 tcohen =D
15:22 cait oh my
15:22 cait could you have said that a bit earlier?
15:22 cait #chair tcohen
15:22 huginn` Current chairs: cait tcohen
15:22 tcohen concerns?
15:22 francharb Is it possible, with xslt, to display the authorised value's description but build a search link on the authorised value's code?
15:23 cait francharb: currently not i think
15:23 tcohen #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20
15:23 francharb thanks cait ! Sorry, I just realised there was a meeting...
15:23 tcohen francharb: it might be possible
15:23 tcohen move on
15:24 fridolin francharb: (nope, we use reverse maps desc to code as a hack)
15:24 tcohen #topic General technical discussion
15:24 Topic for #koha is now General technical discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1)
15:24 tcohen anyone willing to raise something on this subject?
15:25 khall Not sure if this is the topic for it, but I would *really* like to see bug 13799 signed off. I've been planning to QA it. I'd love to see it in the next release
15:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
15:26 tcohen i think we should move to the next topic, and discuss that there
15:26 khall ok
15:26 tcohen #topic Bugs
15:26 Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1)
15:26 tcohen first one
15:26 wahanui somebody said first one was looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty
15:26 tcohen Moose dependencies (Bug 11190)
15:26 tajoli I can say something about metasearch
15:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , -- Generate a Catalog sitemap
15:27 tajoli Ok after this topic
15:27 tcohen tajoli: use the "Big stuff youre working on section"
15:27 tajoli Ok
15:27 tcohen has anyone seen the tool introduced by bug 11190?
15:28 tcohen it is a really interesting one, and i'd like it to make it for 3.20
15:28 tcohen the only concern is that it introduces Moose dependencies
15:28 cait hm in the past we had decided against that
15:28 tcohen true
15:28 cait is it an optional feature? could the dependency be optional?
15:29 tcohen it is an optional script
15:29 cait i think benchmarks indicatd that we shoudl favor moo over moose - or that was the compromise
15:29 tcohen that needs to be cron-ed
15:29 tcohen cait: is Moo a  dependency already?
15:30 cait i am not entirely sure, it might be
15:31 cait hm
15:31 cait[…]cbb7b72da5bd4a08c - is libmoose already there?
15:31 tcohen it isn't
15:31 tcohen that's not used I think
15:32 tcohen cait: C4::Installer::PerlDependencies
15:32 cait ok
15:33 tcohen anyone? opinions besides the comment that we historically rejected Moose?
15:34 tcohen ok, I'll try on part 2
15:34 Joubu Moose is quite heavy
15:34 Joubu to very interesting to add the deps for 1 script
15:34 Joubu s/to/not
15:35 tcohen i'll try using Moo, probably enough for the simple script
15:35 tcohen (and its related packages)
15:35 cait +1 agreeing with Joubu
15:35 cait it seems too heavy for 1 script if we don't intend to use it in general
15:36 tcohen the question is: it doesn't have any impact on how Koha responds
15:36 cait i think if Moo isn't used yet.. we shoudl have some Class::Accessor in the codebase
15:36 cait not sure if that woudl work
15:36 tcohen speed or anythin
15:36 tcohen it is just if it needs to be listed as a dependency or not
15:36 tcohen i'll talk to fredericd about it, maybe it is an easy change
15:37 tcohen ok, moving on for now
15:38 tcohen #info people didn't like to include Moose as dependency, even for a cli script. tcohen will approach fredericd to see if we can make the changes needed for it to make it into 3.20
15:38 cait #action tcohen to approach fredericd about Moose dependency for bug 11190
15:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , -- Generate a Catalog sitemap
15:38 tcohen #info if part 2 concludes the opposite, a vote will be held ASAP
15:39 tcohen moving on
15:39 tcohen what will we do with the QueryParser ?
15:39 tcohen it is an awesome idea
15:39 tcohen but an orphan one
15:40 tcohen and we have a situation where a feature targets non-QueryParser setups
15:40 tcohen bug bug 13528
15:40 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
15:40 cait Joubu: can you explain why it won't work with QueryParser?
15:41 cait I remember an email about a problem with mulitple arguments... is that related?
15:42 Joubu cait: don't remember exactly, I sent an email on koha-devel
15:42 cait hm that might be the one i remembe rmaybe
15:42 Joubu because QueryParser is broken with several operators
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15:43 cait I feel like it shouldn't stop this for now
15:43 Joubu a OR b OR c results in a AND b AND c
15:43 Joubu something like that
15:43 Joubu so when you want to check for barcode : bc = $bc1 OR bc = $bc2 OR bc = $bc3, it causes some problems...
15:43 cait and this seems like a really good enhancement that we coudl extend later to queryparser maybe
15:44 cait but the pref shoudl be clear that there is a catch
15:44 Joubu bc = 'foo' AND bc = 'bar' will never work
15:44 thd What are the consequences of disabling QueryParser aside from allowing the patch for ISBN searches to work?
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15:44 cait thd: we are not usign it in any of our installations currently - it's optional
15:44 ColinC I'm not seeing any benefits from QueryParser being in the release at present
15:44 cait and queryparser is off by default
15:45 tcohen gmcharlt_: available?
15:45 tcohen jcamins: available?
15:45 ColinC It does further complicate some already complicated code which is a pain for code maintenance
15:46 Joubu would be good to know if Robin planned to use it
15:46 tcohen ColinC: it should "simplify" code actually. Changing ad-hoc code for YAML configuration on how to interpret/translate operators
15:46 Joubu (for ES)
15:46 cait tcohen: but the problem with operators is a pretty big blocker ot use it :(
15:46 tcohen the problem is we have several problems that prevent it from fully replacing the ad-hoc code that "just works"
15:46 cait also, the swtich was not completed i think
15:46 thd I imagine that having some possible query parser would be a very good thing but perhaps not the present code.
15:47 cait it doesn't work in all places it could be used
15:47 tcohen Joubu: exactly
15:47 cait Joubu: woudl it be hard to extend your feature when the operators bug got fixed?
15:47 cait and do we have a bug report for it?
15:48 cait i think i'd be ok with pushing your patch if the problem is documented in the pref description and we also have a bug on bugzilla... so we know where the problems are
15:48 Joubu Who would be able to fix it?
15:49 cait i think ripping the code out now woudl not be good
15:49 cait we need to talk more about this after 3.20
15:49 cait the queryparser code
15:49 cait and fixig it... also a bit short on time now
15:51 cait um.someone else?
15:52 Joubu What was the question? :)
15:52 Joubu Should we remove it?
15:52 tcohen #action tcohen will go ahead with the inclusion of bug 13528, along with a followup stating that it won¡t work with UseQueryParser=on
15:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
15:52 cait ifit should block bug 13528 that it doesn't support queryparser
15:52 Joubu Should we accept ft even if does not work with QP?
15:53 tcohen Joubu: you only found a bug on QueryParser's PQF driver
15:53 ColinC I think there are a number of sysprefs that dont work if QP enabled already
15:53 Joubu I won't answer, I am the author of the patch :)
15:53 tcohen i think we just need to fix it
15:53 Joubu 'just' :)
15:54 Joubu I tried, I failed. Good luck
15:54 tcohen i mean, i don't think it blocks your feature
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15:54 tcohen I'm in favour of pushing the feature with a docuentation followup
15:55 tcohen and will definitely talk to gmcharlt_ about Evergreen's use of QueryParser
15:55 tcohen because they've been using it for years now
15:55 tcohen and it doesn't fail like this, so it is specific to Koha's driver
15:56 Joubu tcohen: not sure you have to highligh it in the doc, the limitation is in the syspref description
15:56 tcohen Joubu: you wrote a regression test for the QA problem I recall?
15:56 tcohen Joubu: i mean the syspref docs/description
15:56 Joubu ?
15:56 tcohen i was talking about the syspref description
15:56 tcohen wording issue
15:57 cait move on? :)
15:57 tcohen i think so
15:57 Joubu will see later :)
15:57 * tcohen knows Joubu is hopeless
15:58 tcohen next one is bug 13912
15:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17
15:58 thd tcohen: You should note my comments to the bug added today.
15:59 * tcohen goes to read
15:59 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY
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16:00 tajoli As user of unimarc:
16:00 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
16:00 tajoli better a develop Marc-neutral
16:01 tajoli but if  not, Ok on name 'DefaultCountryField008'
16:01 thd While tcohen reads I will summarise that my main objection is that an empty value in a system preference should not set the country for an installation.
16:02 tajoli baecause now i use a setup on marc frameworks
16:02 tajoli but in unimarc 008 ins not present
16:02 tajoli so doesn't' do anything
16:02 thd I think that the MARC 21 bias is less serious but should still have some more neutral presentation.
16:02 gaetan_B bye
16:04 thd Explaining, if the user has not set the system preference, the default should also not be set and a warning should be triggered.
16:04 tajoli Yes on 'empty value set nothing'
16:04 tcohen thd: I agree with your comments, just a little difference
16:05 tcohen I would set the country_of_production (and for example original_language) framework-wise
16:05 tcohen so it would be easier to link to an authorised value list too
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16:05 tcohen the use case that raised my concern is thesis here
16:05 tcohen that are written in spanish
16:06 tcohen but most of the bibliography is originally written in english
16:06 thd tcohen: That would require work to modify the Koha MARC frameworks design to support fixed fields better.
16:06 tcohen thd: just a new field for the frameworks
16:06 tcohen and adjust the plugin
16:07 tcohen extra work, I know
16:07 thd tcohen: How would the new column for the frameworks specify the range to which part of a fixed field it applies?
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16:08 tcohen don't need to, the the specific plugin hould know
16:09 tcohen anyway
16:09 tcohen is the introduced technical debt something to worry about?
16:09 thd tcohen: Would you have any and all values in the fixed field specified in the default field?
16:10 thd tcohen: If so, then no new column is required.
16:10 thd tcohen: There is already a defaultvalue column.
16:10 tcohen thd, that works for subfields
16:10 thd tcohen: Yes.
16:11 tcohen i would rather add country_of_production to `biblio_framework`
16:11 cait tcohen: to some extend it works for controlfields as well
16:11 tcohen cait: you mean adding the full fixed lenght string?
16:11 cait yeah
16:11 tcohen i'm being empathetic with librarians
16:11 tcohen empathic?
16:12 cait i am not sure this small feature is worth too much work right now
16:12 thd tcohen: That was also my current suggestion with no sympathy to librarians ;)
16:12 mtompset -- displaying empathy for. ;)
16:13 mtompset ^for^with^? Anyways...
16:13 * tcohen loves having idiomatic aid
16:14 thd tcohen: Adding a column with such specificity to the framework would essentially have an almost entirely empty column.  You should think of a more generic approach which uses the frameworks.
16:14 tcohen i'll think of cait's idea of using the default value, maybe it is worth making a better value builder for the framework editing tool
16:15 cait the only problem might be if the plugin correctly detects it always
16:15 cait but it hink i would not blow this up to be too huge - and also not sure it need to be by framework, might be ok globally
16:15 * mtompset thinks he better scroll back to get fully context.
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16:15 cait shoudl we move on?
16:16 tcohen cait: i give up
16:16 cait i hope not!
16:16 tcohen once i have a proper solution (not just ideas) that convinces me, i'll come back to this
16:16 thd There are many problems which the frameworks could be extended to address.  Maintenance of the default frameworks is the difficulty.
16:16 tcohen thd: tru
16:16 tcohen e
16:17 tcohen thd: are you able to provide a followup for the bug?
16:18 tcohen (implementing the changes you propose?)
16:18 thd I actually think that we should be moving the generic form of things out of the existing Koha MARC frameworks and use a form which will work with BIBFRAME or whatever.
16:19 thd I am able to follow up on the bug.  Even the full featured version would not be difficult but merely take some time.
16:19 mtompset Yuck, system preference?!
16:20 tajoli Sorry, I need to leave. I will write about metasearch on koha-devel
16:20 cait thd: i think it can't go in changig existing behaviour if the pref is not set
16:20 cait as qa point of view
16:20 tcohen thd: just renaming the syspref and making sure a good default behaviour?
16:20 cait so we fqa is right and it needs a follow up
16:20 thd System preferences may not be the ideal location but the Koha MARC frameworks model is too inflexible for some important tasks of which the present case is not really an example.
16:20 mtompset True, thd.
16:21 mtompset But the advantage of a column is the whole Koha::Object thing we've started.
16:21 thd I can work on changing the fix to do something more global where the plugin would also need changing to give a warning if not set.
16:22 mtompset And if you are worried about blank columns, split off a table?
16:22 tcohen thd: thanks
16:22 tcohen i'll keep an eye on it
16:23 thd mtompset: Yes, we should see if we could find a better place for expressing what is needed.
16:23 tcohen ok, we need to move on
16:23 tcohen thd: related to that on "remaining new features" i will mention an interesting bug
16:24 tcohen there have been several bugs filled proposing the addition of new fields to XSLT's
16:24 tcohen to cope with RDA and whatever metadata is missing on the XSLT's
16:25 tcohen i want to say that i'm concerned about people relying on the shipped XSLTs
16:25 tcohen for regular use
16:25 tcohen so this changes would be a behaviour change for them
16:25 tcohen probably a positive one
16:26 tcohen but I heard several times that people prefered the non-XSLT view because it was "not as bloated as the XSLT view"
16:26 mtompset -- Shouldn't both views aim to be identical?
16:26 cait hm i can see your point... but it woud be really easy to hide htings from the xslt if a library felt that way
16:26 cait mtompset: the normal view hasn't been maintained
16:26 cait in forever.
16:27 tcohen deprecated since 2013 I think
16:27 mtompset Ah.
16:27 * tcohen just realised... this discussion is void... if we make field/subfield visibility work... damn
16:27 cait we can easily help everyone who wants to to hide something... much harder to help adding something
16:28 cait also that yes
16:28 tcohen d*mn
16:28 mtompset bug 10589?
16:28 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category
16:28 mtompset Oops... bug 11592
16:28 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
16:28 mtompset Is that what you are thinking, tcohen?
16:29 tcohen mtompset: almost, my XSLT approach, but basically yes
16:29 tcohen #actions the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs
16:29 tcohen #action the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs
16:30 cait #actions tcohen not to argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs
16:30 cait :P
16:30 mtompset Third time's a charm! :)
16:30 cait remaining new features?
16:30 Joubu tcohen: please stop to argue about patches that add fields to xslts
16:30 thd Field subfield visibility is actually something which had been controlled at one time by arcane values set in the Koha MARC frameworks even for the OPAC.
16:31 cait thd: the arcane values are nice checkboxes now - bu tit's not taken into account in a lot of places
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16:31 tcohen thd: it is but needs some fices
16:31 cait thd: we often export a COMPLETE marc record, including things like internal notes
16:31 tcohen fixes
16:31 tcohen moving on
16:31 tcohen "Remaining new features"
16:32 thd cait: Yes, I know that they are honoured more in the breach than the observance.
16:32 tcohen i0d like to raise bug 10480, which is basically passed-qa
16:32 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor
16:32 tcohen (i.e. signed by two QA team members)
16:33 tcohen Joubu: would you encourage another QA member to take a look?
16:33 tcohen i see the value of the bug
16:34 cait that one is on me i think... i said i would, but time has been running away
16:34 cait my next big thing I need to work on for next week is the tax related patches
16:34 cait and they will take time
16:34 khall cait: I can take that one on then
16:34 cait thx khall :)
16:34 tcohen khall++
16:34 khall np!
16:35 tcohen thanks again, khall
16:35 tcohen and
16:35 tcohen marcelr++
16:36 tcohen is anyone doing the REST API implementation present?
16:36 Joubu jajm_: ?
16:37 Joubu no
16:37 cait too late by now i think
16:37 Joubu bug 13799
16:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
16:37 tcohen #actions cait will write Julian to ask him for a quick update to koha-devel about the status of the REST API implementation
16:38 cait ah what?
16:38 wahanui well, ah is that what goes after the last
16:38 khall I've already emailed Julian to ask if he can followup on robin's comments
16:38 cait ok, so maybe that's ok for now?
16:39 khall I don't know, depends on if more requests are more motivating ; )
16:39 tcohen that's ok for now
16:39 Joubu tcohen: all patches need signoffs :)
16:39 tcohen ok
16:39 cait i think we didn't agree on the terms
16:39 cait holds/reserves patrons/borrowers
16:40 cait woudl be good to have a general guideline - going by the code or going by the gui
16:40 tcohen really? holds and borrowers
16:40 tcohen :-D
16:40 * mtompset notes that 'In Discussion' are beginning to be close to, if not exceed 'Needs Sign Off'.
16:40 khall I'd like to see our internal terminology match our external terminology
16:40 tcohen i'd like to make our internal terminology match the one we use externaly
16:41 * mtompset agreed.
16:41 cait we have members, borrowers, patrons...  only consistent palce currently is the gui
16:41 tcohen khall: you type faster than me
16:41 cait i'd say new code should follow it
16:41 khall the new object system gives us a chance to start making that move without radical searching and replacing
16:41 tcohen ok, I need to end the meeting
16:42 tcohen a physical one requires me to leave, and I already missed lunch
16:42 cait should we info something?
16:42 thd tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date?
16:42 cait poor tcohen
16:42 cait tonight
16:42 cait 22 utc
16:42 tcohen yup
16:42 thd tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date for after today?
16:42 tcohen thd, the week after the freeze
16:42 tcohen maybe wednesday too, same hours
16:42 tcohen to check the remaining stuff for the release
16:43 tcohen ok?
16:43 tcohen i'm leaviiiiing pleaseeeeeeeee
16:43 cait makese sense to me
16:43 cait go :)
16:43 tcohen thanks
16:43 thd :)
16:43 tcohen thanks everyone for attending!
16:43 cait #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29
16:43 thd some should endmeeting.
16:43 cait #endmeeting
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16:43 * cait pushes tcohen out of channel
16:44 cait bye all
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16:46 mtompset @seen magnuse
16:46 huginn` mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <magnuse> bug 10181
16:47 mtompset anyone want a quick signoff, if you have your staff client plackified? :)
16:48 mtompset I've begun focusing on inventory related things. :)
16:49 thd mtompset: Do you have any specific suggestion for how a table for MARC framework like preferences to be added in more generic manner than could be done by merely extending the framework other than as a system preference?
16:51 mtompset Not specifically, though the suggestion of adding a column, which would be mostly blank does seem easiest.
16:51 mtompset Though, if that is offensive to one's goal of normalization purity, you could create a default table keyed on the same things.
16:51 mtompset (as the framework table)
16:52 thd mtompset: I mean to ask making an arbitrary table with some preferences for some good purpose is easy but what mechanism should be used for the user to set the preference other than system preference?
16:52 mtompset When they add/edit the framework.
16:52 mtompset so the underlying can be different that the visible.
16:53 mtompset Because this could affect more than just a single value.
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16:54 mtompset Default (leave blank for none):
16:54 thd mtompset: I would like something which is more generic and thus not tied to frameworks except that a value_builder specified by the frameworks would use the value.
16:55 mtompset Sounds like you'd want a whole new set of screens then.
16:56 mtompset Is there a screen to actually add a value_builder?
16:56 thd mtomset: That is also something I am trying to avoid :)
16:56 mtompset Or is it auto-magically detected?
16:56 mtompset thd: You can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. :)
16:57 thd mtompset: There are user forms to create and edit Koha MARC frameworks but I do not trust those forms.
16:57 mtompset thd: Neither do I.
16:57 mtompset They seem "broken but somehow work" to me.
16:58 thd I found the Koha user interface to be too buggy for real use.  Directly inserting SQL is the only safe interface for frameworks.
16:58 mtompset thd: That's not completely true. :P
16:58 mtompset The problem is sections which are used only for setup, tend to get ignored.
16:59 mtompset Because people work around the problems, and forget to fix them. :)
17:00 thd mtompset: If I had to use the user interface to create MARC frameworks, Koha frameworks might still be as incomplete as they were in 2005 and everyone with full records would be losing data when some subfield was missing.
17:01 thd mtompset: We can display scary messages if they ignore setup settings :)
17:03 thd mtompset: There is a validity check for system preferences.
17:05 * mtompset shrugs.
17:05 * thd also tries to think of devious ways to push Koha along to be MARC agnostic enough to allow UNIMARC and MARC 21 to coexist in the same Koha database.
17:05 mtompset Still don't like the syspref way thought.
17:05 mtompset thd: That would be a cool idea (co-existence of differing MARC types.
17:06 thd mtompset: That is a requirement for some libraries in Taiwan.
17:07 thd cait: Are you still here?
17:07 mtompset It seems reasonable to me, but what do I know? I'm not a library type. :)
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17:32 thd Who knows what is currently not subject to translation for Koha?
17:32 thd cait: Are you back?
17:33 cait not really - i am cooking dinner
17:33 cait we don't translate .js files
17:33 cait but everything in the templates... also the cataloguing plugin xml files are translated
17:34 cait thd: pretty much everyting is translated - no bigger things missing
17:34 thd cait: What about value lists?
17:36 thd cait: For example, would we have a way to translate default values in the branches table or anything similar?
17:36 cait no
17:36 cait we don#t translate thing sin the database
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17:36 cait well
17:36 cait not automatically - we do have language specific installers
17:36 thd cait: After dinner, will you suggest a workaround for me?
17:37 cait i am not sure what you want to do
17:37 cait database stuff usually is 'one language only' - and can be translated from the gui
17:37 cait like item type descriptions or similar
17:38 thd cait: I want to create a table or something with country names and coded values and have the country names subject to translation.
17:38 thd cait: Yes, like itemtype descriptions.
17:41 thd cait: Maybe a language specific installer is the only means which we have at the moment.
17:41 cait thd: hm or a yaml file
17:42 cait they won't change much - it's more a static list
17:42 cait we translate yaml for the prefs for example
17:42 cait i am not sure the database is the way to go there
17:43 thd cait: Yes, YAML would work and be appropriate for part of the use case if specified in system preferences currently.
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17:50 SCM Hello. I'm wondering if there's any way to define the operating hours for my library. We're open on different times during different days. Without defining custom hours, patrons could run into problems with due dates. For example, they may check something out on Friday at 10 am. The item is due back in 24 hours. However, on Saturday we don't open until 12pm, so the item would be late.
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18:20 cait SCM: sorry, currently there is no way to define opening times
18:21 cait only opening days
18:23 SCM OK, thanks for the response. I'm trying to think of a workaround for this issue. Is there a way to create a check-out alert that only appears on certain days? I could create an alert that only appears on Fridays that says "Staff: manually change the time due to an hour we are open."
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18:27 cait SCM: there are alerts.... but you can't limit them to days
18:27 cait maybe you could do something with javascript - opacuserjs is a system preference that works with javascript jquery...
18:28 cait we usually use that for all kind of tricks
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18:32 SCM Interesting. It looks like this page has more information:[…]ki/JQuery_Library
18:33 cait yep, it has examples
18:33 cait jquery is pretty handy to do a lot of things - in many less lines than pure javascript
18:34 cait hm the problem might be to trigger the change... because until you can the item it doesn't know it shoudl show a message
18:34 cait maybe you could alert if a checkout happens witht he wrong due date
18:36 SCM That's one option. Is there any way to have jquery grab the current date and time? If a checkout happens during a window of time that presents a problem, it could show the appropriate alert.
18:37 cait hm i'd dthink that could work
18:37 cait i think javascript can give you the time, so there is a way
18:38 cait[…]obal_Objects/Date
18:38 cait where are you from SCM?
18:39 SCM Awesome, thank you. I'm from the University of New Hampshire. I'm testing out Koha to see if it can be used to check-out video equipment and reserve time at workstations.
18:41 cait ah
18:41 cait koa doesn't care much about times yet - more thining in days
18:41 cait but might change, you never know with koha :)
19:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 15.8°C (9:29 PM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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19:32 wnickc hi cait
19:32 cait hi wnickc :)
19:33 wnickc playing and testing what I can today, any particular bugs you want to see signed off before sprint?
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19:41 andreashm hi all
19:42 cait wnickc: thx for asking - sorry, getting distacted
19:42 cait i lost overview - just use your good judgement :)
19:42 cait hi andreashm :)
19:43 andreashm hey cait!
19:43 wnickc cait: will do, that question was open to anyone too! for now just picking what I like and can do
19:44 cait sounds like the perfect plan :)
19:45 cait wnickc: i think there is a patch with changes to the about page - that would be a good starting point maybe
19:48 andreashm git, forever cursed be thy name!
19:48 * andreashm is grumpy about not getting how git works and messing things up all the time.
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19:52 cait andreashm: don't worry, it gets easier
19:53 andreashm I don't get the difference between master and origin/master. (Trying to read up on it)
19:54 andreashm Also don't get why master and remote/origin/master have diverged and have different number of commits.
19:54 andreashm cait: I hope your right. =)
19:54 cait you are doing great
19:54 cait don't worry
19:54 cait ah
19:54 cait i think master is your local branch
19:55 cait and origin/master is the master branch on the koha git repository
19:55 cait you probably applied patches to the master branch locally - that could be a reason
19:55 cait origin = koha repository in that case
19:55 andreashm mmm, quite possibly. probably, even
19:56 cait you can do a git reset --hard origin/master (while on your master branch)
19:56 cait and it will reset
19:56 andreashm thanks.
19:57 andreashm I still get a warning: refname 'origin/master' is ambiguous though. don't know where that comes from either
19:57 cait hm
19:57 magnuse andreashm: i felt  bit more clever after reading this book:[…]control-using-git
19:57 cait if you do git branch - is there an origin/master showing up?
19:57 andreashm magnuse: thanks.
19:58 andreashm cait: yup
19:58 cait iiineresting
19:58 cait try git branch -D origin/master
19:58 cait it lookslike you created a local branch with that name
19:59 andreashm wondering if it's connected to a git checkout -b master --track origin/master I did last week or so, and probably have messed with somehow since.
19:59 andreashm cait: oh. that would explain a lot.
20:00 * andreashm should probably order the book magnuse linked to
20:01 magnuse i did read the one from o'reilly too, but i found that too focused on te internals of git, which are *really* confusing ;-)
20:01 wnickc hmm...tried ot test 7143 and all changes are shwoing except for the timeline
20:02 magnuse bug 7143
20:02 wahanui rumour has it bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff
20:02 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
20:03 wnickc nvm, docdir isn't changed on gitify
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20:14 andreashm I can't apply bug 13517. is it just me, or something wrong with it?
20:14 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Show waiting date on reserve/
20:15 magnuse andreashm: do you get an error?
20:16 magnuse sometimes things change and break patches - then they get the "does not apply" status
20:16 cait also check the depends on
20:16 cait this depends on 13853 - so that needs to be applied first
20:16 andreashm cait: oh, missed that
20:17 cait if you click on 'tree' you can see all the dependencies
20:18 andreashm oh, there was quite a lot of them
20:19 cait yeah it's a complicated one
20:19 * andreashm seems to say oh a lot
20:20 * andreashm will look for other, easier bugs to tinker with then
20:20 andreashm <------ allways going for the easy option. =)
20:20 magnuse makes sense while you are getting your feet wet
20:22 misilot has anyone ever gotten labels with different sizes (for example, a spine label, and a book label) to print? :)
20:26 cait not actively using labels right now, sorry
20:26 cait misilot: hm i'd ask on the mailing list
20:26 cait bigger audience :)
20:27 misilot cait: will try. I came across a bug report that's from 2011, saying it's not possible. Figured I would start here and work through the mailing list :)
20:27 misilot thank you
21:02 cait @later tell khall bug 11084 needs a tiny follow-up
21:02 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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21:12 tcohen hi
21:12 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
21:21 wizzyrea hi
21:21 tcohen hi wizzyrea
21:25 cait hi wizzyrea hi tcohen
21:25 cait @later tell Joubu - can you take a quick look at my comment on bug 7976?
21:25 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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21:42 cait @later tell bag could you take a look at bug 13803 tomorrow? (sip from colin)
21:42 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
21:42 bag ok
21:42 cait ah hey :)
21:42 bag bug 13803
21:42 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13803 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , SelfCheck not setting flag when item requires transit
21:44 cait hm going to turn into a pumkin soon... time to sleep
21:46 cait night all
21:46 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
21:49 jcamins Does anyone have a link to that inaccurate FOSS ILS comparison handy?
21:49 cait wnickc++ :)
21:50 wnickc thanks!
21:52 tcohen jcamins: google proposes Comparing Species through the Fossil Record
21:52 jcamins tcohen: yeah, that's what I found, too.
21:53 jcamins I'll use the foss4lib comparison.
21:53 jcamins (example of the importance of thinking critically about comparisons)
21:53 wizzyrea oh you mean the sirsi/dynix whitepaper thing?
21:53 wizzyrea or the one lori ayre did between evergreen and koha?
21:53 jcamins Oh, that would be great to have too.
21:53 tcohen wasnt it evergreenn's?
21:53 jcamins I was thinking of Lori's.
21:54 wizzyrea I probably have a copy of it in my gdocs :P
21:54 jcamins No, EG was mischaracterized as well.
21:54 cait hm i think i know
21:55 jcamins Oh, the foss4lib one is the one that she did, just moved to a different domain than I was trying to find.
21:55 cait can you share the link?
21:55 jcamins
21:55 cait ah ok, i htink that was the one i was thinking about too
21:55 * cait can stop searching now
21:55 jcamins :)
21:56 cait ... an leave for real :) bye again
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21:56 wizzyrea also it only goes up to 3.14
21:56 wizzyrea so there's that.
21:56 jcamins A *perfect* example!
21:57 jcamins And it links to the wrong website.
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21:57 cait koha 3.14... oi
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 wahanui cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion.
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 wahanui cait is from germany. Ask me about germany.
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 wahanui hmmm... cait is from germany. Ask me about germany.
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 wahanui cait is, like, working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 wahanui i guess cait is lookign forward to the API discussion
21:57 jcamins cait?
21:57 cait yeyesyes
21:57 wahanui i heard cait was happy about some example opacs :)
21:57 jcamins Anyway, go to bed.
21:57 cait 3.14 (2015)! it says!
21:57 jcamins I know.
21:57 * cait leaves
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21:58 tcohen cait: we need you to chair! you'd do it fine this time!
21:58 jcamins EG is up to 2.8 and has slower release cycles than Koha.
21:58 jcamins FWIW
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22:00 wizzyrea it would be a big job to keep up with the exact features of both
22:01 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2
22:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 15 22:01:59 2015 UTC.  The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at
22:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2)
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22:02 tcohen #topic Introductions
22:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
22:02 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2)
22:02 tcohen please introduce yourselves using #info name
22:02 tcohen just like wahanui did
22:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba
22:03 tcohen eythian, wizzyrea, rangi ?
22:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
22:03 wizzyrea no rangi (away) or eythian (yet)
22:04 tcohen we'll wait then :-D
22:04 tcohen unless we can count as enough
22:04 wizzyrea hah
22:04 wizzyrea think it might be just you and me :)
22:05 tcohen ok
22:05 tcohen #topic RM 3.20 comments
22:05 Topic for #koha is now RM 3.20 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2)
22:05 tcohen have you read the logs?
22:05 tcohen i basically apologize (again)
22:06 wizzyrea I hadn't - I will go do now
22:06 tcohen and i've been (and will keep) using my office hours for RM duties
22:06 tcohen focused on bugfixes since last week
22:06 tcohen and enhancements follow
22:06 wizzyrea yeah, I think we can all understand and be sympathetic to your situation there
22:07 tcohen thanks
22:07 tcohen #info wizzyrea is sympathetic to tcohen
22:07 tcohen LOL
22:07 wizzyrea lol
22:08 tcohen #info: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in
22:08 tcohen i set april 22nd as the cut for things to have the chance to get included
22:08 wizzyrea sensible
22:09 wizzyrea fwiw I have no opinion on moose, the others here might
22:09 tcohen as i will get to the office to get a screenshot of the pqa list at 9 am (ART) we shift to the next day
22:09 tcohen #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20
22:10 tcohen #topic Bugs
22:10 Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2)
22:10 tcohen on part 1 I proposed to approach fredericd  about moving to Moo
22:11 tcohen khall asked people to give 13799 a chance to make it into 3.20
22:12 tcohen during part 1 we also talked about QueryParser
22:12 tcohen which has issues that need to be addresed
22:13 tcohen the question was wheter to put bugs that required not using QP on hold or not
22:13 tcohen and we agreed QueryParser having a bug shouldn't prevent us from having the feature
22:13 wizzyrea simply for my information
22:14 tcohen shoot
22:14 wizzyrea is it more desirable to have QueryParser on
22:14 wizzyrea generally?
22:14 wizzyrea because it could be a bit like the old "put it in bootstrap and backport it to prog" that we did for a while
22:15 wizzyrea personally, I feel like we should work on the more advanced framework
22:15 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
22:15 wizzyrea and port features back
22:15 tcohen QueryParser is a really good idea that we should be using more widely
22:15 wizzyrea but that's just me
22:15 tcohen but
22:16 tcohen people are afraid of getting into it to fix stuff
22:16 wizzyrea well then that's the problem that needs addressing, imo
22:16 tcohen Jonathan basically found a bug on the PQF driver Koha uses
22:16 tcohen and we need to address that, correctly
22:16 tcohen you are right
22:17 tcohen i'll try to
22:17 wizzyrea because people won't change to the new hotness if we let them get by wearing the old sweatpants, if you know what I mean
22:17 tcohen Joubu bets we won't be able to fix it on time
22:17 tcohen wizzyrea: I agree
22:17 tcohen much people are conservative about how they use their daily tools
22:18 tcohen anyway
22:18 wizzyrea that may be true, that we won't be able to fix it on time
22:18 wizzyrea but we mandated "features in bootstrap, back to prod" before, we could do it here too
22:18 wizzyrea just something to think about
22:18 tcohen we agreed we should push the feature, and fill a bug for QueryParser
22:19 tcohen QueryParser is off by default, so it is expected that too little people are using it
22:19 tcohen and that's because there are some outstanding bugs still
22:19 wizzyrea yeah, I think this instance is probably fine
22:19 tcohen does HEA have information about that?
22:19 tcohen it could be handy this time :-D
22:19 wizzyrea if it's a syspref, probably
22:20 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
22:20 wizzyrea > find in page QueryParser
22:20 wizzyrea 59 with it enabled?
22:20 tcohen 59 out of 63 have it disabled
22:20 tcohen 0
22:20 wizzyrea other way round :)
22:20 tcohen and the rest: undef :-F
22:20 wizzyrea from what I said
22:21 wizzyrea that is, you're right
22:21 wizzyrea so yeah, nobody who's submitted using that.
22:21 wizzyrea :/
22:21 tcohen so we are safe probably
22:21 wizzyrea yep
22:21 eythian My understanding is that QP had some bugs that would make it more or less not work if you turned it on.
22:21 * eythian has been thinking about looking into it for ES work.
22:21 tcohen that's almost true
22:21 wizzyrea is it our intention to use it?
22:22 tcohen things like "right truncation doesn't work as expected"
22:22 eythian I have no intention, I just wanted to get a good feel for it to see how useful it is/would be.
22:22 tcohen not things like "searches don't work"
22:22 eythian ah, I thought it was closer to "not work"
22:22 thd tcohen: Are certain that a similar bug does not affect QueryParser in Evergreen?
22:22 tcohen i couldn't approach gmcharlt_
22:23 tcohen but jcamins told me Evergreen has been using it for years
22:23 tcohen without any problems
22:23 tcohen so the issues are Koha specific
22:23 tcohen and related to our PQF driver
22:23 tcohen which narrows things a lot
22:23 tcohen to put it clear (my opinion on QP)
22:24 eythian ok
22:24 tcohen our search code is full of ad-hoc stuff noone knows what to expect from it
22:24 tcohen imean, you read a line and you know what it does
22:24 tcohen but having the whole picture of all the border cases... difficult
22:24 eythian yes, it is.
22:24 tcohen the idea about queryparser
22:25 tcohen is that it is an abstract query parser and translation engine
22:25 tcohen configurable using a yaml file
22:25 thd tcohen: Could the problems have been present but unnoticed by Evergreen users?
22:25 eythian which I though would be good to generate ES queries, eventually.
22:25 thd ... or without complaint from Evergreen users even if noticed?
22:25 tcohen the problem is that parse trees traversal and what to do with it is not trivial as a regular expression
22:26 tcohen eythian: yes, a ES driver should do the job
22:26 tcohen thd: the problem jonathan mentioned today is trivial enough to make it clear they dont face it
22:27 thd I see problems everywhere I look but there are too many for me to have time to file bug reports about all of them ;)
22:28 tcohen thd: are you using QP?
22:28 thd tcohen: No.
22:28 tcohen heh
22:28 tcohen this is jonathan's post to koha-devel
22:28 tcohen explaining the bug http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]or-td5823170.html
22:28 wizzyrea my only point is that if we have btter tech, we should be looking to use it
22:29 tcohen wizzyrea: we should
22:29 wizzyrea and improve it
22:29 wizzyrea and not languish because it's more comfortable.
22:29 wizzyrea that's all I'm getting at.
22:29 tcohen that's the right attitude
22:29 thd wizzyrea++
22:29 tcohen wizzyrea++
22:30 wizzyrea unfortunately enforcing that comes from the top :/
22:30 wizzyrea and that's an unpleasant thing.
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22:30 tcohen #info wizzyrea reminded us that the project evolves because of our commitment to do good stuff, not to let ourselves languish in favor of comfort
22:31 tcohen wizzyrea: but... we don't have a top!
22:32 thd In the early meeting, ColinC reported that he thought that QueryParser would break multiple system preferences as it is.
22:32 wizzyrea I am certain that is true, it could be a goal of a future release to tidy all that up perhaps?
22:33 tcohen there aren't *that many* open bugs for QueryParser
22:33 thd The fault may be in the legacy query code which many people have had difficulty deciphering.
22:33 tcohen but we definitely need someone to work on that
22:33 wizzyrea or (sorry eythian) to make sure that the next iteration of searching in Koha doesn't have the same issues
22:33 tcohen bug 12742
22:33 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Omnibus: QueryParser
22:33 wizzyrea or rather, to learn from our mistakes
22:34 thd tcohen:  ColinC was reporting his suspicion for things which may not have been properly discovered and reported.
22:34 eythian searching for ES will be pretty easy to replace with something better.
22:35 tcohen eythian: that's awesome to hear
22:35 tcohen *read
22:35 tcohen ok, we need to move on, unless eythian, wizzyrea, thd or rangi (if absent... beware) volunteers to work on QP
22:35 eythian at the moment, it's mostly compatibility layers with the C4::Search way anyway.
22:36 tcohen eythian: on my work for a more reasonable way to filter data, i came with a Koha::Search::Result class (or something like that)
22:36 eythian "filter data"?
22:37 tcohen that only puts some stuff together (bitstream, metadata format, etc)
22:37 tcohen I think we should make broader use of Koha::RecordProcessor
22:37 tcohen with Koha::Filter::*
22:38 tcohen for example, if you need to apply a policy about fields/subfields visibility
22:38 tcohen then have a filter that does that
22:38 eythian ah yep
22:38 tcohen prepare data for display in results context, have a specific filter that applies the xslt, etc
22:39 eythian yeah, build a filter chain
22:39 tcohen and i wrote that tiny class that encapsulated both the bitstream, and the metadata format of the bitstream, thinking of having JSON data, etc...
22:39 tcohen eythian: you're damn right
22:40 tcohen ok, diverted a lot
22:40 tcohen moving on
22:40 wizzyrea <sorry>
22:40 wizzyrea <not sorry>
22:41 tcohen i was worried about the patches waiting for QA right now that introduce new fields on the XSLT
22:41 tcohen and we concluded that adding fields there is not a problem as long as they are not added to the frameworks and/or enabled for visibility
22:42 wizzyrea as long as the visibility rules are applying correctly, this is sensible to me.
22:42 eythian yeah
22:42 wizzyrea (as far as I know they are)
22:42 tcohen wizzyrea: they aren't, but shhh
22:42 wizzyrea hrmpn.
22:43 wizzyrea hrmph.
22:43 tcohen :-P
22:43 cait_not_here hmpf
22:43 wizzyrea ohh you got a double hmpf.
22:43 tcohen they are, until someone has a regression test for that
22:43 tcohen :-P
22:44 tcohen who's got the double?
22:44 tcohen me?
22:44 wahanui hmmm... tcohen is 122
22:45 tcohen wahanui: tcohen is actually 123
22:45 wahanui ...but tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts|122|obsessed with automated testing :)|king of the lab...
22:45 tcohen ok
22:45 wizzyrea you obsess a lot.
22:45 wizzyrea :)
22:45 tcohen i think we agree that if view policy is working, there's no problem adding fields to the xSLTs, right?
22:46 wizzyrea yep
22:46 tcohen great
22:46 tcohen on part one we mentioned bug 10480
22:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor
22:46 tcohen that does an interesting job refactoring the cataloguing plugins code
22:46 tcohen adding wings to them
22:47 tcohen i mentioned because (1) it looks great and (2) it had been signed by two QA members
22:47 tcohen so the SO status was strange
22:47 tcohen but Jonathan said he wanted more eyes on it
22:47 tcohen and khall volunteered
22:47 tcohen khall++
22:48 wizzyrea khall++
22:49 tcohen #topic Big stuff we are working on
22:49 Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2)
22:49 tcohen we talked a bit about the REST api implementation
22:49 tcohen because we needed to catch up
22:49 eythian I had a look at that yesterday, the dependencies are awkward and annoying
22:49 tcohen jonathan mentioned the work on bug 13799 needs signoff
22:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
22:50 eythian it's not near a state for signoff, imo
22:50 tcohen and khall said he approached julian about some called "Robin"'s comments
22:51 tcohen eythian: you mean they are not in jessie?
22:51 wizzyrea he's a taskmaster, that packaging manager of ours.
22:51 eythian they're not in anything
22:51 tcohen :/
22:51 eythian they're not even in any unreleased version
22:52 wizzyrea ^ this seems like perhaps not the best situation ever.
22:52 tcohen mojolicious and swagger2
22:52 eythian older mojolicious is in debian, swagger2 isn't at all.
22:53 eythian the next biggest issue is that the code has no documentation.
22:53 * tcohen hasn't had the time to take a look yet
22:53 bag[…]/New_REST_API_RFC
22:53 eythian but anyway, it's documented on the bug :)
22:53 eythian (rather, my issues are documented on the bug)
22:54 tcohen but we agreed we don't need the latest mojolicious
22:54 eythian tcohen: swagger2 declares that it depends on mojolicious 6.0
22:56 * tcohen is stuck
22:56 thd eythian: Which code has no documentation?
22:56 tcohen i couldn't find that dependency, but i will sure take a look at the office tomorrow
22:56 eythian[…]36705&action=diff <-- see for example the perl files here
22:57 tcohen eythian: ok
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22:57 tcohen i'm worried, but we'll sort it out, for sure
22:57 eythian yeah
22:58 eythian I'm having a quick go at building mojolicious 6, it might be that it's easy, but if it can't backport to wheezy, then that's simply not an option.
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22:59 tcohen ok, lets keep positive
22:59 wizzyrea butterflies!
22:59 tcohen khall nudged julian about those concerns
22:59 thd eythian: Is jessie not forthcoming at the end of the month?
23:00 tcohen we'll talk about that before the end of the week for sure
23:00 eythian thd: it is
23:01 tcohen jessie == systemd == unix is dead
23:01 tcohen </rant>
23:02 tcohen ok
23:02 tcohen anything else?
23:02 tcohen eythian: about ES'
23:02 eythian squeeze is being shot in the head
23:02 eythian come 3.20
23:02 * thd in no hurry to discover jessie bugs.
23:02 tcohen ah *that*
23:02 * eythian decides unilaterally
23:03 tcohen on the previous dev meeting we agreed that 3.20 wouldn't support Squeeze
23:03 wizzyrea \o/ that was easy.
23:03 eythian you did?
23:03 thd eythian: Is squeeze not being maintained until 2016 even if not for Koha?
23:03 * eythian can't find it in the logs
23:03 eythian thd: it is
23:03 eythian thd: but if you want to backport everything that newer koha wants, be my guest :)
23:04 * tcohen can't find them ,but is pretty sure
23:04 * thd just wants to avoid upgrading some squeeze systems to wheezy too suddenly
23:05 tcohen is it valid if the RM dreamed about a vote on something?
23:05 bag yes
23:05 eythian thd: wheezy was released nearly two years ago, you may need to refine your definition of sudden :)
23:05 tcohen heh, thanks bag
23:06 wizzyrea tcohen: maybe it was in the main meeting
23:06 bag I seem to remember something about it too
23:06 wizzyrea or after you closed the meeting. I don't see it in the logs but whatever.
23:07 thd eythian: My definition is not being forced to do by the end of the month something which I should have done two years ago :)
23:07 eythian thd: well, you'll only have to do it in order to upgrade to 3.20 anyway
23:07 eythian support in 3.18 etc. will remain
23:08 thd eythian: I mean my non-Koha backup systems, etc.
23:08 tcohen eythian: i'll send a new email about this to koha-devel, I think no one would disagree
23:08 eythian ah right. If it's any consolation I have an 8.04 box still running.
23:09 * tcohen too
23:09 eythian tcohen: I was going to announce it on both lists to make sure everyone knows about it.
23:09 tcohen ah, no 10.04
23:10 tcohen go ahead
23:10 eythian cool.
23:10 tcohen you could avoid the "unilateral" speech just in case
23:11 tcohen something more politically correct maybe?
23:11 tcohen :-D
23:11 eythian oh sure
23:12 eythian that's just for you people :)
23:12 wizzyrea "Hi, it's not possible or even reasonable to continue supporting squeeze, so we're not going to do it anymore. eom."
23:12 tcohen the release notes will mention it too
23:13 tcohen eythian: go ahead
23:13 eythian cool
23:13 tcohen we will blame you if something goes wrong about the announcement anywayu
23:14 tcohen ok
23:14 tcohen moving on then
23:14 tcohen as I said on part 1
23:14 tcohen cut date -> next wednesday
23:14 eythian wfm :)
23:14 tcohen beta -> next weekend (after the cut)
23:15 tcohen next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29
23:15 tcohen objections?
23:15 eythian tcohen: I'd really like to get you to have an eyeball over bug 13979 and put it in, btw.
23:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13979 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Signed Off , Packages uninstallable on Debian Jessie
23:15 tcohen that gives us time to coordinate efforts toward stabilization if needed
23:15 thd tcohen: What happens during Wed. before Wed. has ended?
23:15 * tcohen adds it to his pocket
23:16 tcohen thd: i don't follow you sorry
23:17 thd tcohen: If something passes QA on Wednesday would it have a chance of qualifying?
23:17 tcohen of course
23:17 tcohen thursday 9:10 am argentinian timezone is the actual cut
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23:18 tcohen :-P
23:18 thd Wow, many hours of UTC time for those who can stay awake doing QA :)
23:18 tcohen yeah
23:19 tcohen #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29
23:19 tcohen any other thing?
23:20 tcohen to talk about?
23:20 eythian ES is moving along. About to start on staff client
23:20 eythian otherwsie, nothing to report from me
23:20 thd tcohen: Did we skip some items?
23:20 tcohen eythian: awesome!
23:20 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, tcohen
23:20 bag yes good news
23:20 wahanui good news is it looks like it's running properly.
23:20 tcohen thd: i think we skipped the country of production positions talk
23:21 wizzyrea production positions?
23:21 tcohen the item was
23:21 tcohen Language and country fixed size field positions: MARC flavour-specific vs. a general approach (Bug 13912)
23:21 thd tcohen: That is fine, I had an idea about how to keep it with the frameworks without putting it in the frameworks.
23:21 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17
23:22 tcohen *ublication
23:22 tcohen is it failed?
23:23 thd tcohen: It passed but I toggled the state in ignorance of the correct procedure when adding my comments this morning.
23:23 tcohen wizzyrea: my question was wheter that kind of sysprefs could be set framework-wise, and in a MARC-dialect agnostic way
23:23 wizzyrea aha
23:24 thd Additional problem is having any associated value list translatable.
23:24 tcohen right
23:25 tcohen ok, i'll finish the meeting now, i need to leave and you can keep discussing it if you want to
23:25 thd I have the idea of setting a preference per Koha MARC framework without storing the value in the framework itself.
23:25 tcohen how would you do it?
23:26 thd Maybe as a system preference but called for each bibliographic framework.
23:27 tcohen thd: i think we should discuss it on a bug or RFC
23:27 thd cait mentioned that YAML for system preferences is being translated.
23:27 thd tcohen: It certainly needs some more careful consideration.
23:28 tcohen i need to take care of home stuff (i've just arrived and it is 20:30 already)
23:28 tcohen so
23:28 tcohen thanks everyone for your time and ideas/opinions
23:28 tcohen we'll do this more often
23:28 tcohen again
23:28 tcohen :-D
23:28 eythian later
23:28 tcohen #endmeeting
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23:28 wizzyrea thanks tcohen, enjoy the rest of your evening
23:29 thd eythian: ES?
23:29 wahanui ES is pretty awesome
23:29 eythian thd: elasticsearch
23:29 wahanui elasticsearch is, like, mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such
23:29 thd ;)
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