IRC log for #koha, 2015-04-14

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00:00 tcohen it's pretty straightforward
00:00 tcohen eythian
00:00 tcohen eythian++
00:00 tcohen eythian++
00:00 tcohen =D
00:00 eythian sweet as
00:00 tcohen good night/day everyone
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02:02 mtompset Finally! Got a contribution to GBSD in. :)
02:03 mtompset Saved bug 13399 from a Failed QA. :)
02:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13399 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Select a department: empty field if no description set in authorized value
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03:27 wizzyrea just curious, why is CHECKOUT notice not discussed in the manual on the notices page?
03:28 wizzyrea also I like the new look of the manual, but getting to bits of it that are further down than about a third of the way takes ages :/
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03:57 bag I wish we could chagne the name of it from manual…
03:58 bag HA change not chaGne
03:58 bag :P
04:08 wizzyrea not sure I get what you're trying to say there chum
04:20 eythian[…]423569921/photo/1
04:22 wizzyrea haha
04:23 wizzyrea pretty sure kohadevreactions has one for that gif
04:23 bag wizzyrea: it’s more a glossary in my opinion than a manual
04:23 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]make-a-big-change
04:24 wizzyrea hm, not sure I agree there, actually. I do wish it were split up a bit though, it's a beastie.
04:25 wizzyrea eythian: it's pretty much the same reaction though
04:25 wizzyrea "I'm being careful, i'm being careful, I'm being careful... OH GOD IT'S GONE TO CUSTARD!!"
04:25 * bag wonders if wizzyrea has ever agreed to any vocab word I’ve used :P
04:25 wizzyrea git reset! git reset!
04:26 wizzyrea lol!
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04:56 magnuse wow, tcohen++
04:57 eythian hi magnuse
04:57 eythian isn't it early there?
04:58 magnuse 7 in the morning
04:58 eythian oh right
04:58 eythian not terrible
04:58 eythian @wunder nzwn
04:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
04:58 magnuse the puppy woke me up at 10 past 6
04:58 eythian heh
04:58 magnuse @wunder
04:58 huginn magnuse: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
04:58 magnuse @wunder boo
04:58 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (6:50 AM CEST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
04:58 magnuse 0.5 cm of fresh snow on the ground
04:59 magnuse community++ for fixing in under a week
05:01 eythian he should have said he wants a high-end gaming laptop ;)
05:02 magnuse hehe yeah
05:11 mtompset Actually, $2000 is a very modest machine, shouldn't the objective be raised to $3000.00 and then get a really awesome one? :)
05:12 mtompset Have a great day, #koha magnuse eythian wizzyrea bag
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05:59 cait good morning #koha :)
05:59 cait Joubu: did you see the email to koha-devel about email and sandboxes?
06:02 magnuse bbiab
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06:46 alex_a bonjour
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06:48 magnuse back
06:50 magnuse today feels like a good day for ncip
07:03 Joubu Helloa #koha
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07:06 magnuse bonjour Joubu
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07:10 Joubu @later tell tcohen a \n is missing in
07:10 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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07:12 cait morning again #koha
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07:17 Joubu @later tell mtompset I really don't understand your comment 67 on bug 10363. Don't feel obliged to let this comment on all bugs with a patch modifying, there are 140...
07:17 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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07:24 andreashm morning all
07:27 cait morning andreashm :)
07:27 andreashm cait: got to set a failed qa yesterday.
07:27 cait yay? :) :)
07:27 andreashm if I was mistaken, blame magnuse. he told me to. =)
07:27 * magnuse hides
07:28 cait sometimes yu have to, it's nothign bad as long as you leave a good comment
07:28 magnuse that was ehat i tried to say too :-)
07:29 andreashm hehe
07:32 nlegrand hey #koha
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07:33 gaetan_B hello
07:33 andreashm hi
07:33 wahanui kia ora, andreashm
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07:46 drojf morning #koha
07:46 andreashm morning
07:51 cait mornign drojf
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07:52 mveron Hi #koha
07:52 mveron @wunder Allschwil
07:52 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Bern-Belp, Switzerland is 13.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
07:54 andreashm why are some bugs in the bugzilla buglist grey while others (the first 40) are not? just a visual thing or something else?
07:55 Joubu andreashm: what is grey?
07:55 wahanui it has been said that grey is good. wear something white, or light green. it'll stand out :-D
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07:55 Joubu andreashm: haa, I think you are talking about the links you have already clicked
07:56 cait hm i think it might be the severance
07:56 andreashm joubu: everything, name, link, status etc.
07:56 andreashm cait: ah.
07:56 cait major and critical get red - enh grey?
07:57 cait at elast that's what i thougth - but you might want to check the theory :)
07:58 andreashm I don't have red. black or gray rows in the list. oh well.
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07:58 * andreashm is trying to find an interesting bug to try and signoff without bugging cait. goes so so.
07:58 cait heh
08:02 Joubu andreashm: bug 13991 looks easy to test
08:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13991 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Uninitialized value $src in /tools/
08:02 Joubu but not very interesting :)
08:04 Joubu andreashm: bug 8276
08:04 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8276 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , circ history not sorting right
08:04 andreashm Joubu: I'll try to take a look at it!
08:05 Joubu andreashm: and I let you a comment on bug 8399 ;)
08:05 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8399 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Problems with mandatory field alert message for authorities
08:06 magnuse huh! when i look at /cgi-bin/koha/members/ in english it has the filters on the left and the correct patron categories in the "New patron" dropdown. when i switch to nb-NO the filters are gone and the dropdown shows the hard coded patron types
08:06 cait hm translation issue?
08:06 magnuse current master, and yes i did run "sudo koha-translate -u -v nb-NO" and shift reload
08:06 cait did you check the template got updated correctly? we recently had it happen that it did not
08:07 andreashm Joubu: Ok, will try to describe better in 8399.
08:07 cait andreashm: maybe a screenshot will help
08:07 magnuse didn't look at the actual template yet
08:07 andreashm cait: yup, was thinking that.
08:07 cait magnuse: is -u right? (update?)
08:10 magnuse cait: yes (but i think that word is used a bit different than in the translate script)
08:11 Joubu magnuse: bug 13497 should have been rid of the generic patron category types, but pushed to master yesterday
08:11 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13497 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The pref AddPatronLists should be removed
08:11 Joubu not really, the dropdown list should have gone, not the category types
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08:17 magnuse hm, this is weird...
08:18 magnuse i wonder if it is gitified messing with my head
08:18 magnuse with language = nb-NO i can still see the AddPatronLists syspref
08:21 Joubu magnuse: does the pref still exist in DB?
08:23 ashimema is there a dev meeting today?
08:23 cait i think wednesday, but forgot to check
08:25 ashimema cheers cait
08:25 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
08:25 huginn` cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
08:26 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
08:26 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.1°C (9:20 AM BST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
08:26 cdickinson no way, it's freezsing here
08:27 cdickinson so cold that I can't spell freezing*
08:27 * magnuse does not feel sorry for anyone with a double digit temperature
08:28 cdickinson lol
08:28 nlegrand :D
08:28 cdickinson it feels a lot colder than it is
08:28 magnuse ;-)
08:29 magnuse Joubu: yes, it is there, but only because i tried to change it from the norwegian template i think. the explanation is null
08:29 andreashm magnuse: haha.
08:30 andreashm (temperature comment, not the template issue)
08:30 magnuse don't laugh at my templates! ;-)
08:30 cdickinson :P
08:30 andreashm Joubu: comment and screenshot added to bug 8399.
08:30 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8399 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Problems with mandatory field alert message for authorities
08:31 Joubu andreashm: thanks
08:32 andreashm Joubu: hope it helps.
08:33 andreashm when I'm done testing a patch, not changing anything, do I need to "close" it somehow? Or do I just checkout another branch and apply another bug?
08:37 mveron andreashm: Usually I go back to the master branch, delete the branch I tested with and create a new branch for the next bug
08:38 andreashm mveron: thanks. It'll be good to get a proper workflow going straight away here.
08:38 * mveron thinks that Bug 13992 could be something for andreashm...
08:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13992 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Software error in reports if field or table does not exist
08:38 mveron :-)
08:41 andreashm looking at 13991 at the moment. =9
08:41 andreashm =)
08:41 magnuse andreashm++
08:41 magnuse bug 13991
08:41 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13991 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Uninitialized value $src in /tools/
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08:50 cait andreashm: you see, we are very happy to provide you with bugs to look at :)
08:50 andreashm cait: I notice that.
08:52 andreashm mveron: struggling to recreate the problem in 13991.
08:52 cait bug 13991
08:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13991 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Uninitialized value $src in /tools/
08:53 mveron andreashm: The message appears in intranet-error.log
08:54 mveron find -name intranet-error.log
08:54 andreashm mveron: how do I get that up? search for intranet-error in object?
08:55 andreashm (or should I not be looking through the staff interface?)
08:55 mveron No, in your console window
08:56 andreashm ah ok
08:57 andreashm that command gives nothing back
08:58 mveron The file should be in /var/log/koha/kohadev  or similar
08:58 mveron Got to / and do the find command
08:59 andreashm could this be a kohadevbox thing?
09:00 cait hm kohadevbox... magnuse - gitified?
09:00 andreashm 'cause I cant find a /var folder
09:00 cait i wonder if they are named slightly different for package installations
09:00 mveron Can you do something like cd /
09:01 mveron then  find -name intranet-error.log
09:01 mveron ?
09:01 andreashm yup
09:02 andreashm got I huge list back
09:02 andreashm scanning through it.
09:02 mveron andreashm: I usually attach it to the system log viewer ("Systemprtokollbetrachter")
09:04 mveron osr something like
09:04 andreashm found it at ./var/log/koha/kohadev/intranet-error.log
09:04 andreashm now wondering how to open it.
09:04 mveron tail -f /root/koha-dev/var/log/.....
09:05 mveron (with the correct patname/file)
09:05 mveron pathname
09:06 mveron tail -f /var/log/koha/kohadev/intranet-error.log
09:07 andreashm did that, got a bunch of errors back. and can't seem to quit.
09:08 andreashm gah, this seems to be to tricky for me.
09:08 andreashm =/
09:08 cait andreashm: i think maybe useful tho
09:08 cait looking in the logs is often helpful
09:08 andreashm probably. =)
09:08 cait try entering a few new lines after opening the log
09:08 cait and then access the page again where the error is supposed to happen
09:09 mveron To close it Ctrl+Z
09:10 * mveron remembers the first time struggling with tail.... It was at KohaCon in Edinburgh...
09:11 cait :)
09:11 cait you know... maybe we shoudl have another one in Europe...
09:12 * magnuse would not object
09:12 magnuse somewhere in germany, perhaps? ;-)
09:13 magnuse andreashm: "sudo tail -f /var/log/koha/kohadev/intranet-error.log" should work
09:13 magnuse ...i think
09:15 cait @later tell wizzyrea can you add 3.18 to the Releases on the kc front page? :)
09:15 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
09:17 andreashm magnuse: yeah, but I get back a bunch of errors.
09:17 andreashm like [Tue Apr 14 09:09:43 2015] [error] [client] [Tue Apr 14 09:09:43 2015] Problem = a value of 1 has been passed to param without key at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 137., referer: http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/[…]/tools/
09:17 andreashm Don't know how to procede with that.
09:20 mveron andreashm: Leave it open, then in Browser go to Home > Tools > Logs
09:21 andreashm ok
09:21 mveron watch the log, it should add new lines. One of them is the one I mention in my bug report
09:21 magnuse andreashm: tailing that file will show you all the errors and warnings and what have you that koha generates. and that might be quite a lot
09:22 andreashm alright, thanks.
09:25 andreashm ok, now I'm able to reproduce. got the $src at line 70 thing.
09:25 andreashm Wow, I would never have figured that out on my own. =)
09:26 andreashm thanks people!
09:26 andreashm applying the patch and re-doing.
09:28 cait :)
09:28 cait there is a separate log for the opac - should be in the same directory i think - in case you need it another time
09:29 magnuse some of the logs have to be enabled in the apache config, you can do "sudo ls /var/log/koha/kohadev/" to see what is already there
09:31 andreashm cait++
09:31 andreashm magnuse++
09:31 andreashm mveron++
09:32 mveron andreashm++
09:32 andreashm mveron: tested the patch and I _think_ it works. Still see the error on line 70, but it further up. So I guess that' slogged since before? Should I sign-off?
09:34 mveron If there is no new line added (with recent time stamp) everything is OK. Sign off, other bugs are waiting :-)
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09:41 mveron Hi drojf
09:43 andreashm mveron: ok, signed-off
09:43 mveron andreashm: Great!
09:57 andreashm ok, signed-off bug 8399 too.
09:57 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8399 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Problems with mandatory field alert message for authorities
10:00 mveron Oh, lunch time...
10:00 cait where did the morning go?
10:06 magnuse andreashm: a tiny trick: while you are doing "tail -f" on a file you can do the action you are testing, like reloading the log view in your browser, then press enter a couple times (to introduce a couple of blank lines in the display), then redo the action (reload the log view) - then check if anything new pops up below the blank lines
10:07 andreashm cait: lost in a bug somewhere...
10:07 andreashm magnuse: that's a handy trick actually! thanks
10:08 magnuse lunchtime!
10:08 wahanui lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting
10:08 magnuse it sure is
10:10 andreashm yes. fooood. bbl.
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10:13 jony hola
10:13 jony alguien me puede ayudar? tengo problemas con sip
10:14 jony hi
10:14 jony need help, i have problem with sip
10:15 jony can not connect, returned code 940
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11:21 cait Joubu: comment coming for the billing place thing :)
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11:49 misilot Hi, is the 999$d or 999$c the bilbionumber that we should use when trying to make matches against Koha?
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12:45 kivilahtio_ Joubu: khall: magnuse: tcohen: Have we had any discussion regarding Exception handling best-practices in Koha or even in Perl? There seems to be a ton of libraries all saying htey have some strange limitaitons and cause undesired side-effects?
12:45 kivilahtio_ like
12:46 kivilahtio_ and none of the derivatives make me feel any more confident
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13:03 Joubu kivilahtio_: eval would be a good start :)
13:06 paul_p tcohen++
13:06 paul_p (for wiki Roles 3.22 :D )
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13:19 kivilahtio_ eval is not a very good solution regarding distinct exception classes
13:19 kivilahtio_ if i start an ftp-connection and it can fail with 4 different kinds of ways
13:19 kivilahtio_ I need several catch-statements each for different error type
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13:22 tcohen kivilahtio_: I like Try::Tiny
13:24 kivilahtio_ tcohen: thanks for the tip, but I want to thrown Exception Objects
13:24 tcohen I don't think they are exclussive
13:25 cait tcohen++
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13:29 kivilahtio_ tcohen: Try::Tiny seems to be ok :)
13:29 tcohen kivilahtio_: r u talking about this?
13:30 kivilahtio_ unable to connect
13:30 tcohen[…]
13:31 kivilahtio_ got it :)
13:31 kivilahtio_[…]::Class#Try::Tiny
13:32 kivilahtio_ tcohen: Thanks it looks quite good. I had a different page
13:37 Joubu magnuse, cait: could you explain me what is the issue to fix in bug 10285?
13:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10285 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error 500 in staff client displays old start page
13:37 Joubu I don't get it
13:39 cait hm let's see
13:39 cait the layout of the 500 is strange
13:39 cait it stil shows parts of the old staff interface i think
13:39 cait or used to
13:39 cait if you look at the screenshot there
13:40 Joubu ha yes ok
13:40 Joubu and, what do we need?
13:40 cait you see all the links  to the modules, but they don't look like that anymore :)
13:40 cait i think just displaying the message shoudl be enough
13:40 cait then you can use the navigation to get to where you want
13:40 Joubu k
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13:50 cait hm
13:50 cait is it possible we don't display the expiry date in opac? :(
13:51 cait for the patron
13:53 magnuse Joubu: what cait said :-)
13:53 Joubu perfect, there is a patch :)
13:53 cait and deleting stuff is fun :P
13:53 Joubu especially when it's 8 c/p!
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13:59 tcohen catalyst++ # jessie box
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14:33 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "looking for some report help - I'd like to have a separator between each 650a in this report - ideas?" (9 lines) at
14:34 nengard any report experts around? cait or magnuse or Joubu or tcohen :)
14:37 cait sorry, have to run :)
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14:41 Joubu nengard: sounds good
14:41 Joubu what does not work?
14:41 nengard I want a separator between the subjects - right now they're all one big long string
14:42 Joubu select GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT ExtractValue(marcxml, '//datafield[@tag="200"]/subfield[@code="a"]') SEPARATOR ' BR ') from biblioitems m limit 10;
14:42 Joubu this works
14:43 nengard so does
14:43 nengard select GROUP_CONCAT(DISTINCT ExtractValue(marcxml, '//datafield[@tag="650"]/subfield[@code="a"]') SEPARATOR ' BR ') from biblioitems m limit 10;
14:43 nengard hmmmmm
14:43 nengard is it the group by?
14:44 nengard for some reason it doesn't work when it's the whole report
14:46 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "this works - but i deleted a bunch" (5 lines) at
14:47 Joubu nengard: and with the group by biblionumber it fails?
14:47 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "this doesn't" (8 lines) at
14:47 nengard yes Joubu - or it might be something else i removed - slowing removing and adding bits
14:47 Joubu or maybe it's the having clause
14:49 Joubu why don't you put the itype<> "journal" in the where clause?
14:49 nengard just did - it's the group by causing problems
14:49 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "this doesn't work" (7 lines) at
14:49 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "This does" (6 lines) at
14:50 nengard but the problem is that the second one isn't what i want - it just puts the BR in there like I want - but combines all data in to one row
14:50 nengard so group by doesn't work ...
14:53 nengard according to examples on the web it should work ...
14:56 gaetan_B bye
14:56 Joubu nengard: yes, it should, weird
14:56 nengard :(
14:57 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "example of it not working" (23 lines) at
14:58 nlegrand time for some holidays, by #koha :)
14:58 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "example of it not working without group by ..." (7 lines) at
15:02 nengard grumble grumble
15:06 nengard emailed to list because I have to run soon
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15:15 kivilahtio_ tcohen: Joubu: khall: Bug 13995, FYI
15:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13995 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Proper Exception handling
15:15 tcohen kivilahtio_++
15:22 tcohen so, the Debian 8 node is running the tests for the first time :-D
15:23 tcohen http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ster_D8/3/console
15:23 tcohen it just started, and we have failures :/
15:26 tcohen Joubu: does t/Creators.t fail on your jessie computer?
15:27 Joubu tcohen: no
15:29 tcohen odd
15:29 tcohen are you able to look at the console i pasted?
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15:52 Joubu tcohen: sorry, have to go
15:52 tcohen no worries
15:53 Joubu tcohen: pmvers PDF::Reuse  => 0.36
15:53 tcohen we can live with jenkins failing :-D
15:53 tcohen lots of things are actually failing
15:54 tcohen notably searching using GRS
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17:20 tcohen cait: around?
17:20 cait kind of
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17:44 tcohen cait++
17:44 tcohen where's everyone?
17:44 wahanui somebody said everyone was doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
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17:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13006: (RM followup) missing newline in DBRev <[…]cbb7b72da5bd4a08c>
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18:20 tcohen cait: is diff view broekn?
18:20 cait hm?
18:21 tcohen iexported a record, changed the title, staged
18:22 tcohen and it seems matching on 999$c is... not working
18:22 tcohen so no diff view
18:22 cait but did it match or not?
18:22 cait what's the status of your record?
18:23 tcohen it is not matching, but they both have 999$c = 25
18:23 cait and was the title indexed that you imported?
18:23 cait before you tried matching
18:23 tcohen "indexed"
18:23 * tcohen is ashamed :-D
18:24 * tcohen forgot to check if zebra was running
18:25 magnuse lulz
18:25 cait been there... :)
18:26 * magnuse too
18:27 tcohen btw, the diff view is
18:27 tcohen still
18:27 tcohen awful
18:27 tcohen style issues
18:27 * magnuse has not seen it yet
18:27 cait yeah - but it's still nicer than not having one :)
18:27 cait and not totally bad
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18:52 magnuse kia ora druthb and Viktor
18:53 druthb kia ora, magnuse! :)
18:54 magnuse \o/
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19:00 magnuse kia ora pianohacker!
19:01 pianohacker yo magnuse
19:02 magnuse yo yo yo wassup brutha!
19:04 magnuse hm, is there some script for checking the sanity of records in the database?
19:07 wnickc we have a mysql report for that on our system
19:09 magnuse wnickc: oh, cool. can you share it?
19:10 wnickc magnuse: will do, hope it is what you were looking for
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19:11 Viktor Kia ora magnuse
19:11 wnickc http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21
19:11 wnickc
19:12 magnuse wow, awesome :-) but not quite what i had in mind
19:14 wnickc some sanity is better than none ;-)
19:15 magnuse hehe, so true
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19:38 magnuse doesn't -v -v for increased verbosity from work any longer?
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21:02 mveron @wunder Allschwil
21:02 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 8.0°C (10:50 PM CEST on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
21:05 * mveron is exhausted after many hours working on the patch set for Bug 13813
21:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
21:09 mveron Good night #koha
23:12 eythian hi
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