IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-29

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00:00 eythian a couple of days
00:03 dcook Monday or summit?
00:03 eythian yeah, that'd be about right
00:07 dcook not sure how that one slipped my radar :(
00:07 dcook Fortunately the bossman was on top of it
00:19 wizzyrea it hasn't gotten quite the coverage of heartbleed or poodle
00:19 * wizzyrea is glad, frankly
00:22 dcook Or what was the other one... shellshock?
00:22 dcook Yeah, the link I showed above made a point of saying how awful open source is
00:22 dcook I was all "errr..."
00:22 dcook Huzzah, Ubuntu 14.04 is already ahead of the curve
00:22 dcook That's nice
00:24 eythian oh yeah, patches came out fairly quickly
00:24 eythian it's not particulary end-of-worldy
00:24 dcook Nah, just work
00:24 dcook Or in this case not
00:41 wizzyrea yeah, but it's not like Windows where no one can look and so we have no idea what's going on back there.
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00:41 wizzyrea people are looking now, that's a good thing.
00:41 wizzyrea short term, it'll look icky
00:41 wizzyrea long term, it'll be great.
00:45 dcook Exactly
00:45 dcook :)
00:49 dcook eythian: I was thinking more about bug 13632
00:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Use a translateable file instead of the database for managing permission descriptions
00:49 dcook Not sure how a hash would work there...
00:49 eythian neither
00:50 eythian but I was thinking maybe it could somehow
00:50 dcook Ahh
00:50 dcook I suppose the way would be having it as an external file that could be read into a hash by a TT plugin
00:50 eythian just so you get a list of something like "key => value" rather than a big switch/case.
00:50 eythian nah, translation issues there.
00:51 dcook a list?
00:51 wahanui it has been said that a list is safer
00:51 dcook If the file were stored in a language directory though, you could translate the values
00:51 dcook Just not the keys
00:51 eythian hmm
00:51 eythian maybe
00:51 dcook Although that sounds like a translation annoyance as well
00:51 eythian yeah
00:52 dcook I figure I'll see what tcohen says
00:52 dcook Happy to redo it whatever way makes the most sense
00:52 * dcook just wishes he already knew what that was :p
00:52 eythian I'd be happy enough with how it is if the alternatives don't solve the problem of "making it a bit easier"
00:52 dcook Cool :)
00:53 dcook I'm just going to fix up the handling of the file... as Jonathan and Marcel pointed out, I just didn't understand the difference between INCLUDE/PROCESS
00:53 dcook Even though in hindsight, it's fairly obvious
00:53 * dcook will blame it being a strange week for his craziness
00:53 dcook I think my cat should be fairly radioactive at this point in the day
00:53 dcook Not that he's at home... so that doesn't really explain it
00:57 eythian[…]rmat-to-standard/ <-- fyi, ASCII is now an internet standard, you can start using it.
01:00 dcook \o/
01:06 mtj rangi: ta, ill just tag my various bugs - i also deleted my reponse too
01:07 dcook A person can delete responses?
01:07 * dcook should probably delete the majority of his own
01:07 mtj ..deleted, before i clicked 'send'
01:08 dcook Ahhh
01:08 mtj peeps, anyone know of a way to dump SIP transactions, from kohas sipserver daemon?
01:09 mtj dpavlin has a proxy, that he uses for this task ->
01:10 mtj im assuming its not something the sipserver does itself? - (else why would dpavlin make his proxy tool)
01:10 dcook Can't say I've ever worked on SIP, so I'm no help :(
01:11 mtj, just thought i'd ask before i started the proxy setup
01:11 mtj (sounds like a handy feature for the sipserver, anywayz
01:16 eythian mtj: you can just look in syslog
01:16 eythian it's not nice, but it's easy
01:19 dcook Anyone have ideas for translating one hash into another hash?
01:19 dcook Like...
01:19 dcook Hmm, how best to ask that..
01:20 dcook One to one values is all right.
01:20 dcook @later tell rangi Did you ever end up using that Net::OAuth2 module? Or doing anything with OAuth2?
01:20 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:21 dcook I have two OAuth2/OpenID Connect servers that return user info with slightly different hashes... which need to be mapped to something that Koha can use
01:21 dcook Or use a different sub for each different endpoint, but that seems suboptimal..
01:23 eythian it depends what needs to change
01:23 eythian if it's just remapping key names, then i'ts pretty easy
01:23 dcook Well, "city", "state", "country" are keys in my Koha hash
01:23 dcook But the incoming hash uses Address->{City}
01:24 dcook Or rather..
01:24 dcook $incoming->{Address}->{City}
01:24 eythian ah
01:24 dcook Whereas name is just $incoming->{Name}
01:24 eythian that's a bit more annoying
01:24 dcook Yep :/
01:24 dcook I could just recurse through and look for a key of City but that loses the relationship it has with Address, which while not necessarily super important... is probably worthwhile in principle
01:25 eythian what are you mapping to? The borrower table?
01:25 dcook Yeah
01:25 eythian then you're going to have to flatten it anyway
01:26 dcook Well, that's what I'm trying to do, I suppose
01:26 dcook I hadn't thought of that term before though, that helps
01:26 eythian I'd flatten it so you get {Address_City} , then have a hash of from => to, and extract the key=>value from the original, and output it with newkey=>value taken from your mapping hash
01:26 eythian clear as mud?
01:27 dcook Super clear :)
01:27 eythian I wish there were a map { } function for hashes, not just lists
01:27 mtj thanks eythian, i see the syslog stuff in the sip config file... ill have a fiddle
01:27 dcook Well, I stopped reading halfway through what you said :P
01:27 dcook eythian: I was totally thinking the same thing yesterday
01:28 dcook Hmm, I think I had thought of flattening it, but that assumes that they'll never use a key of Address_City
01:28 * wizzyrea notes that the SIP convo has already occurred. Too late, as usual.
01:28 dcook Which... I suppose they wouldn't, or if they did... might be what you want anyway
01:28 eythian dcook: well, you need to know everything that might be used anyway
01:28 eythian otherwise you can't convert it
01:29 dcook Mmm, that's true
01:30 dcook Thanks for the advice, eythian :)
01:30 dcook eythian++
01:35 dcook NYT... BBC... does everyone have at least one CPAN module? ([…]/Hash/
01:36 mtj wizzyrea: sip convo has not offically finished :p
01:36 dcook I actually kind of like their syntax for flattened hashes
01:37 dcook Not a core module though..
01:38 mtj wizzyrea: i got chatting with wnickc - it seems bywater are using ezproxy+OD, so having hit my SIP+OD bug
01:38 wizzyrea ezproxy is another problem child.
01:39 wizzyrea problem's on their end tho.
01:41 * dcook has read way too much about ezproxy lately
01:41 mtj fwiw ezproxy+OD seems to have a very similar auth bug too
01:41 dcook But I think it's food time. Don't want to get
01:50 eythian mtj: see my update. The bug is very obvious. It's not the fault of anything but our SIP daemon.
01:50 eythian There are other issues that ezproxy has, which are their fault
01:51 eythian and interact with this bug in ways that can be confusing
01:53 * eythian puts away his copy of the SIP2 specifications again
01:55 mtj ha, me too ^
01:55 mtj good news.. i've just confirmed that my SIP bug, is a problem with OverDrive, not Koha
01:56 mtj the problem was as colin described
01:56 eythian Ah right
01:57 mtj koha says 'user correct, user's password incorrect'... OD signs in user to OD website, regardless :/
01:57 eythian oh right
01:57 eythian yeah, that's a different bug than that bug talks about
01:58 eythian that's totally OD's fault
01:58 eythian also, ha ha OD.
01:58 mtj ie: asks for a password, then doesnt bother to check it's valid
01:58 eythian btw we're starting a (slow) process to ensure that all SIP communications happen over SSL.
01:59 eythian we have exproxy using stunnel quite happily now
01:59 eythian *ezproxy
01:59 eythian epoxy
02:00 mtj eythian++ nice work on that bug ^
02:00 wizzyrea haha od indeed
02:04 eythian haha you can search for authorities by 'mainentry', or 'mainmainentry' among other things.
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02:07 eythian also, there's an and_or field that's passed to SearchAuthorities. Guess what it does?
02:07 eythian That's right, nothing at all.
02:07 * eythian documents it as such and moves on
02:33 eythian dcook: jcamins: any idea how 'is' (attr 4=1, 5=100) differs from 'exact' (4=1, 5=100, 6=3)?
02:35 eythian or, where I'd go to see what those attr things mean...
02:44 dcook Hmm?
02:44 dcook bib-1 attributes
02:44 dcook
02:45 dcook "6=3" is "complete field"
02:45 dcook That looks like the only difference
02:45 dcook The handling of that would then depend on Zebra
02:46 eythian oh, ta
02:46 dcook No worries
02:46 dcook Sometimes you might find something that doesn't exist on that webpage of course
02:46 dcook Then you'll have to look either on the Zebra docs or in the Koha files
02:47 dcook I think we adhere to the standard pretty well, but Zebra has a few special attributes
02:47 dcook Mostly to do with field weights and ranking, iirc
03:14 dcook Hmm... probably not a good thing that there can be two different notices with the same code..
03:14 dcook Well, not the exact same.
03:14 dcook Different case.
03:14 dcook But I don't think a select query will tell the difference..
03:15 dcook Ah, it's a different module, so it's not the same
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04:13 dcook Huh...
04:14 dcook Turns out an item will show up in the Holds to Pull List... even if you couldn't have put a hold on it
04:14 dcook That's tricksy
04:15 dcook If you do a bib-level hold that is
04:16 eythian oh, that's a bit odd
04:16 dcook I'm trying to think if that could ever be desireable
04:17 dcook I would think not
04:17 dcook If you can't put it on hold, it shouldn't be on the holds to pull list, right?
04:18 dcook And shouldn't be available as an item to pull, if it's not holdable
04:20 dcook C4::Reserves is scary...
04:51 dcook Oh man...
04:56 dcook I think the epic SQL in might be trying to be a bit too smart for its own good...
04:56 dcook It's also just awful in general..
04:56 dcook Trying to create display and stuff as well..
04:59 eythian erk
05:01 dcook It came up because "ebooks" are showing up in the holds to pull list :/
05:01 dcook Mind you, the ebooks should probably not be sharing a bib record with a print item
05:01 dcook Which is probably why this doesn't come up too often
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05:25 dcook I suppose it assumes a "notforloan" status of 0 is enough..
06:15 dcook One of those days where you spent approximately 0 seconds on the issue you wanted to work on...
06:23 * magnuse waves
06:26 dcook yo magnuse
06:29 magnuse yo yo!
06:29 dcook You know, I often read your name as "mag-noose" :p
06:29 magnuse feel free :-)
06:30 dcook :D
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07:06 cait morning #koha
07:12 bag morning cait
07:13 cait morning bag :)
07:24 magnuse bag: HI
07:24 bag magnuse: HI
07:24 wahanui bonjour, bag
07:25 magnuse cheese!
07:25 wahanui cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter.
07:25 magnuse lulz
07:25 bag magnuse: happy new year
07:25 magnuse happy new year to you too, bag!
07:26 magnuse how can you sell VPSes and not tell people how to log on to them?
07:27 magnuse bag: your marseille-entourage grows bigger every year?
07:27 magnuse nice!
07:27 bag heh - no one requested to go to kohacon this year - more requested to go to hackfest
07:28 bag perhaps next year I will be back to normal
07:28 bag but magnuse this year - the radest two are joining me (Sonja and Ginny)…  excited for you to meet them
07:28 magnuse nah, just keep adding more people!
07:29 magnuse cool
07:29 magnuse but that is not what the spreadsheet says?
07:29 magnuse unless those are nicknames...
07:29 bag heh they aren’t hacking (yet)
07:30 bag Sonja is my wife and Ginny is my daughter
07:30 magnuse ah hah!
07:30 magnuse very cool!
07:30 magnuse you said something about renting an appartment, so that was for the three of you
07:30 * magnuse is terrible with names
07:43 bag actually magnuse everyone from bywater is in the same apartment
07:43 bag I guess we’re a happy family ;)
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07:46 marcelr hi #koha
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07:51 reiveune hello
07:51 magnuse bag: a big appartment i hope, then :-)
07:51 bag me too
07:52 magnuse hehe
07:53 magnuse is it far from the biblibre office
07:54 * magnuse has some very happy memories of renting apartments in marseille
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
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08:17 fridolin hie all
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08:38 * cait waves
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08:40 * magnuse waves back
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08:42 gaetan_B hello
08:42 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B
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08:43 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 5.9°C (9:43 AM CET on January 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
08:43 paul_p mmm... it's more than 6° in Marseille...
08:45 paul_p (was 8 when I checked this morning)
08:50 magnuse hm, it says "Saint Victoret" - no ida where that is
08:50 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
08:50 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 1.2°C (8:41 AM GMT on January 29, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Falling).
08:54 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:54 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.8°C (9:54 AM CET on January 29, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
09:03 magnuse @wunder boo
09:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (9:50 AM CET on January 29, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 28.82 in 976 hPa (Steady).
09:03 magnuse yeah, rather windy
09:08 magnuse ooh, norwegian winner of Bocuse d'Or :-)
09:09 cait hm?
09:09 magnuse[…]-or-finale-2015-1
09:18 * magnuse takes a shot at signing off bug 13607
09:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13607 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Patron management API
09:20 magnuse oh btw, would it make sense to add two things to the marseille spreadsheet: proposed presentations/talks and ideas for presentations/talks that we would like to hear?
09:21 ashimema magnuse.. did you read my comments on bug 13607
09:21 ashimema happy with my last point of.. 'lets not hold this dev up.. but we'll hopefully replace it fiarly soon with a nicer restful one'
09:21 ashimema if you sign it off.. I'll happily qa it ;)
09:22 magnuse cool
09:23 magnuse yeah, i think it makes sense to get it in, even if we are conspiring to deprecate svc
09:23 magnuse eythian probably has some valid reason for wanting it in koha
09:23 magnuse this comment from him made me lol: "We could even add support for 'format=usmarc' if you want to use that as your formatting method. I'm sure  someone somewhere likes that idea. They would be a crazy person."
09:26 Joubu norway++ # Bocuse d'or
09:27 magnuse merci!
09:27 Joubu the USA guy looks quite irritated on the picture at the bottom of the main page
09:28 Joubu He is looking at the norvegian trophy, the gold one :)
09:28 magnuse hehe
09:55 cait phone conf... bbl
09:56 paxed hmph. well, can't install on debian 7.8 according to the INSTALL.debian file.
10:01 paxed dependency hell.
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10:57 paxed well. this is fun. looks like seems to consider only beginning of string when matching auths. so, eg. "Pohjois-Karjala" will be linked to authority "Pohjois-Karjala-projekti"
10:58 paxed the example yesterday, "Peru", was matched to "perunkarvatonkoira" ...
10:59 paxed can anyone test if that happens on master? i don't have master installed.
11:03 paxed and it apparently also matches at the end, because "West" for matched to "Finnish-American Historical Society of the West"
11:03 paxed s/for/was/
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11:50 magnuse hm, looks like editing a patron on 3.18.3 gives an error if the form you are editing in does not include the fields for username and password. the error displayed is "The following fields are wrong. Please fix them. Username/password already exists."
11:50 magnuse anyone else seen that
11:50 magnuse ?
11:51 magnuse so if you are on the patron detail page and click on the grey button, edit and save - it works
11:52 magnuse but if you are on the patron detail page and click on the link under the name, main address, primary email etc, do some changes and then save you get the error above
11:59 magnuse ah bug 13602
11:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13602 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences
11:59 * magnuse slaps himself around a bit for missing that the first time
12:07 Joubu magnuse: hum, maybe should we raise the priority of this bug to major?
12:13 magnuse yeah, might be a good idea
12:14 magnuse but on the other hand, there is an easy workaround: just click the edit button, so you get the complete form
12:15 cait magnuse: there is a bug eport i think from kivi
12:15 cait ah, yep that one
12:15 * cait shoudl read to the end
12:19 magnuse :-)
12:20 magnuse i'll see if i can sign that off this evening
12:20 magnuse if noone beats me to it, that is
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13:08 DanSwano cait or anybody else?
13:11 DanSwano because there is not enough russian translations in web interface I decided to recreate library. First I install Russian language and then run web installer, choose "Unimarc" and select some optional checkboxes.
13:13 DanSwano during data addition I have an errors, which can be read at pastebin:
13:15 DanSwano the text is in Russian, you can use Google translate but the most of it is not requires translation
13:15 cait DanSwano: russian installer files are not really maintained, bit worried you might run into problems
13:16 cait DanSwano: maybe compare the translated files with the english ones
13:16 cait to see where the differences are
13:16 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:16 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -1.1°C (7:31 AM EST on January 29, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). Freezing Rain Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning...
13:16 DanSwano cait, where these files are located?
13:16 cait DanSwano: you can translate most of those via the interface or they are nt meant to translated
13:16 cait installer/data/mysql/ru-RU
13:16 cait or en
13:17 cait you can also compare to de-DE - to see which values shoudl be translated
13:17 cait de-DE shoudl be up to date
13:18 DanSwano cait, is it possible to manually add English files to replace some Russian files which are incorrect?
13:19 cait youcoudl copy the enlgish files over
13:19 DanSwano cait, or manually add them via mysql cli?
13:19 cait to replace the broken russian one
13:20 cait yeah, see which tables are changed and do that manually
13:20 cait could also do it the other way around
13:20 cait install english and then clean up where you find good translations
13:21 cait magnuse: do you remember the mysql bug opl filed? looking for it but don't fnd it
13:21 magnuse something to do with the version of mysql?
13:21 cait tried that
13:21 cait but yep
13:21 cait i mean i looked for version and mysql, but no luck so far
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13:22 DanSwano cait, thanks, I'll try to add english files manually
13:24 magnuse cait: bug 13523?
13:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13523 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES
13:24 cait yes thx!
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13:58 tcohen morning
14:03 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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14:05 Shane-S Is there any issue going from to 3.18.X?
14:05 Shane-S I installed from packages
14:07 Shane-S Second can I export patrons...I need their names and barcodes to match up with our inventory to assign ppl, and I want to make a label with an items serials number and the patron barcode so I can enter it in Koha and use it checkout/tracking
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14:08 Shane-S Even if I just have their barcode #, I have 3 of 9 font to make the barcodes
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14:32 David_H Quick question: how do I backup my database before an upgrade?
14:32 Shane-S Can anyone help me get my patrons names and barcodes out, not sure how to extract that information.
14:33 Shane-S David_H last time I asked that they said there is a /backup/ folder
14:33 Shane-S I guessing /etc/koha/backup..but I have to search to check
14:34 David_H ok, thank you
14:35 Shane-S David_H: If you installed form packages...[…]#koha-run-backups
14:36 David_H oh good, I'll check that out
14:37 magnuse if you installed with the packages you will have backups in /var/spool/koha/<instancename>
14:37 nengard Hi David_H
14:37 nengard and all
14:37 magnuse but if you have an active installation you probably want to do a new backup right before you upgrade
14:37 nengard I love seeing David_H in here more :)
14:37 magnuse hiya nengard
14:38 * Shane-S retracts all previous info...appears old and/or bad
14:40 magnuse oh definitely look at the commands provided by the packages
14:41 nengard magnuse are you coming to the hackfest?
14:41 David_H lol...David's been watching over my shoulder and kibitzing.  I've been acting as his tech support
14:41 nengard You're not david?
14:41 nengard who are you? :) hehe
14:42 David_H lol...I'm Greg...David's typist apparently.  He tells me what to say and I type it
14:42 Shane-S transcriber sounds more professional
14:43 magnuse nengard: yup - looking forward to meeting you and the rest of the bywater posse
14:43 David_H oooh..."transcriber"...that sounds like a job promotion
14:44 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner
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14:44 nengard Nice to "meet" you Greg - David is an awesome guy :)
14:44 Shane-S grr...keeps saying local host times out...time for an IRC client I guess
14:45 nengard and magnuse YIPPEEE
14:45 nengard :)
14:45 carmen morning #koha :)
14:47 Shane-S what can I add to my SQL report to filter patrons on category type of KIDS
14:48 Shane-S code is "K"
14:48 * Shane-S sighs...have to go troubleshoot Comcast...keep failing over to Verizon.
14:50 Shane-S would it be... WHERE categorycode = "K" ?
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15:02 Shane-S sorry I didn't see if anyone WHERE categorycode = "K" accurate?
15:04 Joubu Shane-S: you can check the category codes on /admin/
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16:04 reiveune bye
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17:41 gaetan_B bye
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21:12 * cait waves
21:12 nengard hola cait
21:12 cait hi nengard
21:18 eythian hi
21:22 nengard :)
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22:12 eythian wahanui: alot is <reply>[…]Ko/s1600/ALOT.png
22:12 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:15 pianohacker alot of what?
22:16 eythian It's an alot.
22:16 pianohacker alot of rebases? :(
22:16 eythian no, it's a picture of an alot.
22:16 pianohacker I guess alot is better than me at rebases too
22:16 eythian you can draw the alot of rebases if you like
22:16 eythian I don't know what it looks like :)
22:17 pianohacker yeah, I wasn't quite sure on that either...
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22:43 * dcook chuckles at scrollback
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23:05 dcook It really does seem like every CPAN module has been packaged for Debian...
23:06 pianohacker some things in life are in the repos. For everything else, there's dh-make-perl
23:06 dcook no doubt, eh?
23:07 dcook I'm debating downloading Hash::Flatten or writing my own...
23:07 * pianohacker is not sure if that particular joke translates :)
23:07 dcook pianohacker: the style sounds familiar
23:09 eythian dcook: no, no they haven't :)
23:09 dcook hehe
23:09 dcook eythian: I recall you mentioning that you'd packaged a few for Debian as they hadn't :)
23:09 eythian[…] <-- dcook
23:10 eythian there's also more in the pipeline I think
23:10 dcook I think that's the link you showed me last time :)
23:10 dcook MARC::Transform?
23:11 eythian yeah, I can't remember what that's used for
23:11 dcook Maybe the importer template things?
23:11 eythian could be
23:11 dcook Sounds familiar
23:11 eythian hmm, not in use in Koha anyway
23:11 dcook No?
23:11 wahanui
23:11 eythian maybe I didn't it for someone for some particular reason
23:12 eythian or it was something that never made it in
23:12 dcook Hmm, dunno. Looks like a BibLibre thing
23:12 eythian oh, yeah
23:12 eythian it is
23:12 eythian now I remember
23:12 dcook How  much does Catalyst customize Koha installs?
23:12 dcook What I mean is...
23:13 dcook How much do you use Perl modules that aren't installed with normal Koha?
23:13 eythian as little as possible is the probable answer.
23:13 eythian oh
23:13 eythian very little
23:13 dcook Same. I think the only extra ones we've included so far have been for extra auth options
23:13 eythian we'll sometimes have bug fixes and small extra features in our branches, but we try not to as much as possible
23:13 dcook Which is why I'm a bit hesitant to use this Hash::Flatten, even though it's perfect
23:14 dcook Yeah, that reminds me that I need to find a block of time to upstream as much as I can..
23:14 eythian It's in debian already, I don't mind :)
23:14 dcook I don't know if I'll be upstreaming this change anytime soon, but I suppose it would be easy to include that dependency..
23:15 pianohacker dcook: as long as you don't do what I did and promise on eythian's behalf that he'd debianize a CPAN module I was using in a patch :)
23:15 dcook hehe
23:15 eythian heh that is frowned upon ;)
23:15 * eythian -> lunch
23:15 dcook I'll do my best to avoid that one ;)
23:15 dcook Oh man... lunch would be so good right now
23:15 * dcook says having just eaten breakfast maybe an hour ago
23:15 eythian it is lunchtime...
23:16 dcook Hmm, maybe eating vitamins will make me feel better
23:16 dcook eythian: If I had my way, 10-2 would be lunch time
23:16 dcook If I weren't so tall, I would think I were a hobbit
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23:23 dcook You know... when I look at "", it doesn't look like Koha really has "THAT" many Perl dependencies
23:28 eythian dcook: look at debian/control
23:28 dcook I have a few times, and it seemed a lot longer...
23:28 eythian it uses the list in C4::Installer::whateverit'
23:29 dcook C4::Installer::PerlDependencies
23:29 dcook I'm looking at that now :)
23:29 dcook Well, I guess I'm looking at 3.14.5
23:29 dcook Looks like a lot of modules have been added since then
23:30 dcook Or these aren't in alphabetical order so maybe that's why it's deceiving..

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