IRC log for #koha, 2014-11-25

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00:02 AmitG hi
00:02 AmitG liz around?
00:02 AmitG rangi around?
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00:06 tcohen whatsup AmitG
00:07 AmitG hi tcohen
01:03 dcook eythian, wizzyrea, rangi: Are you folks working on that feature where the first cover image for a record is found and shown even when multiple images are available?
01:04 eythian someone is
01:04 eythian I forget who
01:04 dcook From Catalyst or elsewhere?
01:04 eythian I think it was rangi, but I can't remember for sure, I last saw someting about it a while ago.
01:06 dcook Yeah, it was a while ago that I saw something about it. I'm just curious about it now as someone is asking questions :)
01:22 rangi yeah it's almost done, stuff is on the bug about it
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01:36 dcook rangi: sweet as :)
01:36 * dcook tries to recall the bug number
01:37 dcook bug 7187
01:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P4, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
01:37 dcook rangi: it works in both the opac and the staff client?
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01:51 wizzyrea erm, I think he's gone away but yes, it does.
02:04 dcook yay
02:04 dcook legend!
02:04 dcook rangi++
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02:52 wizzyrea STDC++ NZICA++ and a few other libraries that I can't remember - they paid for it.
02:52 wizzyrea dcook - you have a couple of minutes and want to check something simple?
02:54 dcook Mmm, maybe?
02:56 wizzyrea bug 12123
02:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
03:08 dcook hmm
03:10 dcook not be collapsible, be uncollapsible...
03:10 dcook What's the notice viewer?
03:11 wizzyrea it's on the member detail, tab "notices"
03:11 dcook cgi-bin/koha/members/
03:11 dcook Mmm, k
03:11 wizzyrea it's a display one
03:12 dcook k, i'll take a little looksy
03:12 wizzyrea \o/ woot thanks :)
03:12 dcook Let's see if I can do that and two other things at once ;)
03:12 wizzyrea eek lol.
03:12 dcook I have the power...
03:15 eythian[…]objectid=11363833 <-- dcook, just fyi :D
03:16 * dcook will take a look in a bit :p
03:16 dcook eythian that is
03:16 dcook currently helping out wizzyrea
03:18 dcook Dinger...
03:18 dcook Didn't have checkout emails set up
03:18 dcook Almost none of our libraries use checkout emails
03:18 dcook Even though I'd demand it as a library patron myself
03:20 dcook Hmm, that is an annoying bug..
03:23 dcook I'm a bit intrigued by how we're now creating a single email instead of multiple emails for checkouts
03:23 dcook That's pretty cool
03:23 dcook Unless that was always the case... in that case... that was always cool
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03:30 dcook Hmm
03:30 dcook wizzyrea: Was there a reason you added table-layout: fixed, and added widths for the columns?
03:30 dcook It looks like your changing "p" to "div" would've been enough?
03:30 wizzyrea yes, to make it not ugly :)
03:30 wizzyrea have a look at it without the patch
03:30 wizzyrea and you'll see why
03:31 dcook I don't see why :S
03:31 dcook I just removed that styling and it looks all right
03:31 wizzyrea mmm not when your notice is very wide
03:31 dcook I do have a notice that is super wide :/
03:31 dcook It looks pretty much the same
03:32 dcook I'll try with a smaller window width..that might be it
03:32 dcook Nope. Not sure what you mean :(
03:32 wizzyrea < this is what it looks like on mine without the patch
03:33 dcook Mhm
03:33 wizzyrea and this with
03:34 dcook Right, but is the styling necessary?
03:34 wizzyrea strictly speaking? no.
03:34 wizzyrea for my sense of calm? yes.
03:34 dcook It looks like the cause of the busting was because we were trying to stuff HTML into a "p" element, so you switched it to a "div" element which took it all like a champ
03:34 dcook But I'm not sure it's actually working?
03:35 dcook I'll comment on the bug :)
03:35 wizzyrea then why is mine different?
03:35 dcook Maybe I'm not explaining myself right
03:35 dcook I'll just write on the bug :)
03:35 wizzyrea they could be separate patches.
03:35 wizzyrea if that's what is upsetting you
03:35 wizzyrea :)
03:35 wizzyrea the styling isn't a fix for the bug.
03:35 dcook Hmm, maybe I'll do some screenshots
03:35 dcook Right
03:35 wizzyrea the styling is a fix for that ugly table.
03:36 dcook Hmm...
03:36 dcook So is the fix to make the columns wider?
03:36 wizzyrea I wanted it to wrap the notices within a fixed column size, instead of them expanding, jarringly, when uncollapsed
03:37 wizzyrea wrap the text*
03:38 dcook with patch:,cbPHAW0#0
03:38 dcook without patch:,cbPHAW0#1
03:39 dcook The Hold Placed on Item notice is pretty wide
03:39 dcook But when the table loads, it's already wide
03:39 dcook It doesn't expand jarringly when I open it
03:39 wizzyrea is that firefox? or something else?
03:39 dcook Chrome
03:39 wizzyrea aha
03:39 dcook I think I've run into the issue you're describing before on IE though?
03:40 dcook Notably on... the detail page?
03:41 dcook Even when table-layout: fixed is used, Datatables appears to recalculate the sizes of columns
03:42 dcook For instance, my "Notice" column is actually 828 instead of 600px
03:42 wizzyrea well on chromium it behaves the same as on firefox
03:42 wizzyrea I don't have chrome
03:42 wizzyrea with the patch, it's the same width no matter
03:42 dcook Weird :S
03:43 wizzyrea without patch, before expand:
03:44 wizzyrea without patch, after expand
03:45 wizzyrea with patch, closed:
03:46 dcook Yeah, those layouts are similar to mine
03:46 wizzyrea with patch, open:
03:46 dcook Except I didn't need the CSS
03:46 wizzyrea note, those screenshots were all on chromium
03:46 wizzyrea firefox is the same.
03:47 wizzyrea my chromium *might* be out of date though.
03:47 dcook Have you tried without the CSS?
03:47 dcook Just fixing the "p" to "div"?
03:47 wizzyrea yep
03:47 wizzyrea it still does the thing
03:47 dcook I'm not sure what to tell you then :/
03:48 wizzyrea righty o.
03:48 wizzyrea does it hurt anything, I guess is the question.
03:48 dcook Actually, mine looks worse with the CSS :/
03:48 dcook It jumps around a bit with the CSS it seems
03:49 wizzyrea weird, that's exactly the opposite of my experience
03:50 wizzyrea if you look at the screenshot cait attached, it looks more like mine
03:50 wizzyrea all squished.
03:50 dcook I was totally lost by that screenshot that cait attached :S
03:50 wizzyrea yeah, that was kyle's patch.
03:50 wizzyrea it put the stuff in an iframe.
03:52 dcook Yeah, I didn't like that
03:53 wizzyrea how about this one then?
03:54 wizzyrea ;)
03:54 wizzyrea (there's a new patch)
03:54 dcook I like yours better :p
03:54 dcook Ahh
03:54 dcook Let me take a look
03:54 wizzyrea note: I don't like it, but I'd rather fix the bug than worry about the styling.
03:54 wizzyrea ^ how we get shitty interfaces, tbh.
03:55 dcook ?
03:55 wizzyrea fixing the bugs and not worrying about the styling ;)
03:55 dcook haha
03:56 dcook Well, the patch fixes the bug. I'm a bit meh over adding styling in general. I think I'm against it as inline styles.
03:56 dcook Do we have a coding guideline about that?
03:56 * dcook checks
03:56 dcook Hmm guess not
03:56 dcook Ideally I'd like them in an external stylesheet
03:57 dcook (although I've wondered about how we're doing that now that we're using LESS?)
03:57 wizzyrea it's a problem. and every table is a bit different
03:57 wizzyrea so you'd end up with a gazillion rules.
03:58 dcook Mmm, maybe. Although that's why grid systems like bootstrap exist, no?
03:59 dcook You'd have like "1, 2, 4, 6, etc"
03:59 dcook So "Type" and "Status" would be class 1, "Time" would be class 2, Notice would be class 6
03:59 wizzyrea if we were using that routinely for the staff client heh
03:59 dcook Valid point :p
03:59 wizzyrea it's a retrofit that probably should happen.
04:00 wizzyrea anyway, I've got the head out :)
04:00 wizzyrea thanks for having a look at it
04:00 dcook Although there are many retrofits which should probably happen
04:00 dcook no worries
04:00 wizzyrea yeah pick one ;)
04:00 dcook I might take another look tomorrow after I clear some stuff
04:22 dcook Gotta love when Microsoft admits that Excel isn't up to the task of exporting CSV...
04:25 dcook Sweet. I have LibreOffice as well. Boo Microsoft...
04:25 * dcook hides before the insults come :p
04:29 eythian LO's CSV reader seems to be reasonably robust
04:29 eythian I've imported all sorts of madness into it for viewing and it often does a good job.
04:30 dcook Yeah, I've been pretty happy with it overall
04:30 dcook It's what I use at home
05:08 dcook Hmm...
05:08 dcook Koha pastes don't stay around forever do they?
05:09 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "hidden values" (19 lines) at
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06:12 * magnuse waves
06:13 magnuse dcook: the pastes seem to be cleared out when they reach the 200's. i think maybe rangi does it?
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07:36 dcook magnuse: hmm?
07:36 dcook Oh man... we have a "aqcontacts" and an "aqcontracts" table...
07:36 dcook That's not confusing :p
07:38 dcook Ahh, when did it become 6:38pm?
07:38 dcook Too much work and not enough dcooks
07:39 dcook night all
07:39 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
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07:40 reiveune hello
07:45 magnuse <dcook> Koha pastes don't stay around forever do they?
07:46 magnuse magnuse> dcook: the pastes seem to be cleared out when they reach the 200's. i think maybe rangi does it?
07:48 magnuse @later tell paul_p i think[…]bre-november-2014 needs a s/Oslo/Stockholm/ :-)
07:48 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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07:49 reiveune hi
07:49 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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07:56 alex_a bonjour
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07:58 magnuse hm, did someone say something about adding one page per library in the opac, to list opening hours, holidays, contact information etc, or did i dream it?
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08:25 gaetan_B hello
08:25 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
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08:47 magnuse internal server error from pootle today?
08:58 cait yeah
08:59 cait i think probably still problems
09:03 magnuse looks like it
09:03 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that?
09:04 magnuse you can look for yourself wahanui:
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10:17 ashimema any ldap users out here fancy testing bug 12831..
10:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12831 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , local only logins should still work when ldap authentication is enabled
10:18 ashimema I'm really plugging this one.. needs a sign-off asap
10:18 ashimema as it's a crit for release :(
10:18 ashimema anyone know what's happened to dpavlin
10:19 cait ashimema: he is never here - best to drop him an email
10:19 cait well he is logged in, but ont reading
10:19 ashimema logged in.. I don't see him logged in?
10:21 magnuse he probably fell off and didn't log in again
10:21 magnuse i have had success with email before :-)
10:21 cait ashimema: he often is logged in... butnot really here anyway
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10:23 drojf hi #koha
10:23 ashimema emailed him..
10:25 cait hi drojf
10:25 cait congratulations!!!
10:26 drojf hi cait :)
10:27 * drojf need caffeine
10:27 drojf and an extra s
10:28 cait did you party last night? :P
10:28 * liw gives drojf several: s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s (/me has a secret stash of s's for several situations)
10:29 * cait gives some                                                                         ... also good to have just in case
10:29 drojf thanks liw *shoves some s into his pocket*
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11:35 * cait is baking the first cake in the new oven - lemon
11:36 cait if you are not busy signing off bugs critical to release.... cross fingers ;)
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12:28 ashimema ?
12:28 ashimema cake baking cait..
12:28 ashimema can I have some ;)
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12:37 * magnuse crosses fingers
12:39 magnuse khall around? we are curious about the state of bug 11211 and bug 8133 - do you think pianohacker or you will be able to revisit them?
12:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , Move calculation code out of C4::Calendar
12:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
12:39 khall magnuse: absolutely!
12:42 magnuse goody!
12:42 magnuse any idea when?
12:43 khall magnuse: bug 11211 is now rebased
12:44 magnuse hehe, that was quick :-)
12:44 khall hmm, it looks like the patch lost it's signoff by wajasu at some point
12:47 khall magnuse: I added wajasu's s/o back on to the patch, but I think an additional s/o from you would be most welcome : )
12:47 magnuse rangi signed off at one point too...
12:48 khall I guess jesse must keep re-using his original patch instead of basing any changes on the submitted patch
12:48 magnuse possibly
12:49 magnuse i did have a couple of issues that are not solved by a rebase, though: sorting of dates and the reuse of special_holidays.isexception to mark open/closed
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12:50 khall can you test this version of the patch and see if those are still problems?
12:52 magnuse will do!
12:53 cait can someone take a look at my bug with the vanishing items
12:53 cait ?
12:53 cait our bug :)
12:53 cait bug 133332
12:53 huginn Bug[…]bug.cgi?id=133332 was not found.
12:53 cait bug 13332
12:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13332 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Items disappear from staff detail page when there is an on-site checkout
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13:09 cait magnuse++
13:13 magnuse huh?
13:13 magnuse sorry for the fqa, khall
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13:19 khall magnuse: np!
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13:32 cait @later tell oleonard - could you take another look at bug 12123?
13:32 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
13:46 magnuse ah, pootle is back
13:46 magnuse oh noes, pootle is back
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13:48 cait heh
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13:51 mveron Hi #koha
13:51 cait hi mveron - thx for testing the letters patch
13:52 cait have to run - bye all
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14:44 Joubu khall: Hi! Do you understand the Srdjan's request on bug 11872?
14:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11872 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Lost overdue items should not generate fines
14:44 Joubu what mean "reported numbers"?
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14:45 khall Joubu: I have no idea
14:45 Joubu khall: Is it still major? Do we need this patch for 3.18?
14:46 khall yes, it is a very serious bug
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16:04 Joubu kivilahtio: around?
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16:55 Joubu have a good night/day #koha
16:57 gaetan_B bye
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17:37 tcohen hi
17:37 wahanui hey, tcohen
17:37 tcohen Joubu: hi
17:37 tcohen did u get any answers for your call for sign-ofF?
17:41 tcohen @later tell mtompset we have fillipino subs!
17:41 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:14 bag morning
18:14 tcohen hi bag
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18:20 cait hi again #koha
18:32 tcohen hi cait
18:34 tcohen cait: around?
18:35 cait yes, around now
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18:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12959 - Check in forgets to remember arbitrary backdating of returns setting <[…]e33296e0380da8078> / Bug 10749: DBRev <[…]16a42f69c2ca396a0> / Bug 10749: Fix typo in budget_add_del permission <;
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20:15 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
20:15 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
20:15 wizzyrea oh my lordie. so hot.
20:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
20:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 5.0°C (9:15 PM CET on November 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
20:15 drojf :/
20:15 wizzyrea it's 9am, that never happens.
20:17 cait ok
20:17 cait i am on master
20:17 cait i am running the script
20:18 cait and no fines are on my account
20:18 wizzyrea is your syspref set to calculate and charge?
20:18 cait but the log the script outputs says there shoudl be fines
20:18 * wizzyrea had that problem yesterday
20:18 cait ... and yes, fineslog is ok
20:19 wizzyrea FinesMode?
20:19 cait ah yes
20:19 cait meant that one
20:19 wizzyrea ok good :)
20:19 cait calculate and charge
20:20 cait ook ... it's gets more horror
20:21 cait i just returned an item from the account using the check in
20:21 cait it says: item not checked out
20:21 cait but... it is :(
20:21 cait and still shows on the account
20:21 * cait feels like going grazy
20:21 wizzyrea O.o
20:21 wizzyrea well
20:21 wizzyrea fwiw
20:21 wizzyrea hm, I should update master before I say this.
20:21 wizzyrea one moment.
20:22 cait ok
20:22 cait i see what's happening
20:22 cait the item is wiethdrawn
20:22 cait it shows a line in the return table but at the same time says the item is withdrawn not checked in.. tak about logis
20:23 wizzyrea isn't there a syspref about not allowing withdrawn items to be checked in?
20:23 wizzyrea I can hardly keep them all straight anymore.
20:24 cait yeah me neither
20:24 cait but now... i am trying to remove the withdrawn
20:24 cait in the item editor
20:24 cait and it doesn't save :(
20:24 wizzyrea :o
20:25 wizzyrea you are right about the fines, they are not calculating on master.
20:26 cait i did test it yesterday
20:26 cait for the bug you tested
20:26 cait they still calculated then
20:26 cait i am going crazy here
20:27 cait ok, i have the withdrawn item gone from my account
20:27 cait but still not calculating fines
20:28 wizzyrea yeah, it's definitely not calculating fines now.
20:28 wizzyrea it completely did yesterday.
20:28 * wizzyrea reverts that patch from yesterday
20:29 wizzyrea it's not that one.
20:29 cait it only touches svc/checkin - so i ruled it out
20:29 cait so weird
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20:31 cait no fines on return either
20:32 wizzyrea that is problematic.
20:32 wizzyrea well... how are you running your fines job?
20:33 wizzyrea hm no it's not that.
20:35 cait wizzyrea: got a fine now
20:35 wizzyrea oh?
20:35 cait but i don't understand why it wasn't there before
20:35 wizzyrea I am definitely seeing the same issue as you.
20:35 wizzyrea I haven't gotten one yet.
20:35 wizzyrea and I should have
20:36 cait it's weird - isn't it?
20:36 wizzyrea what did you change?
20:36 cait i tried another book
20:36 cait the one was damaged
20:37 cait ok, this one is damaged too
20:37 wizzyrea mine have no such restrictions, and none of them are getting fines.
20:37 cait i am not sure yet
20:37 cait circulation conditions?
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20:37 wizzyrea same as they were yesterday when I was getting fines.
20:37 cait i have a cent a day, no grace eriod, up to a 1
20:37 wizzyrea mine are .50/day, no limit.
20:37 cait have to plug the laptop in, brb
20:38 wizzyrea in fact
20:38 wizzyrea I have a branch with yesterday's code
20:39 wizzyrea it ends at 4c1ae53d861e20051a776f0195f5da1cfa9a24e3
20:39 wizzyrea (not including my patch for 12123
20:39 wizzyrea )
20:39 tcohen can u please check the DB?
20:40 tcohen maybe is a problem in the AJAX front
20:40 tcohen not showing data
20:40 cait fnes tab is not using ajax :(
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20:41 cait wizzyrea: actually i updated to latest master, - but it was just a few commits and the change from yesterday
20:41 cait are you on the most current?
20:41 tcohen /svc/checkin is to blame
20:41 wizzyrea it works on a new borrower, with fresh overdues
20:42 wizzyrea on yesterday's code
20:42 tcohen i'm pushing some more stuff, sorry for the noise
20:43 wizzyrea no, the fines aren't appearing in the db, tcohen
20:43 wizzyrea it's not a display problem, the fines aren't there.
20:43 tcohen and they are calculated on check-in
20:44 wizzyrea not these ones
20:44 wizzyrea these ones are calculated by
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20:46 tcohen wizzyrea: can u help me reproduce it?
20:46 wizzyrea yeah, what I've been doing
20:46 wizzyrea is specifying a due date 2 weeks in the past when I check out
20:47 wizzyrea FinesMode is set to Calculate and Charge
20:47 cait similar here
20:47 wizzyrea then I run misc/cronjobs/ -v
20:47 wizzyrea it reports 3 fines
20:47 wizzyrea but the fines are not in accountlines
20:48 cait same here
20:48 cait ... but now it works for me
20:49 wizzyrea I just turned off "calculate fines at checkin" and i got one of four fines to appearl.
20:49 wizzyrea appearl.
20:49 wizzyrea sigh.
20:51 tcohen so, if calculate fines at checkin is set, is not supposed to do anything
20:52 cait that's not right
20:52 wizzyrea mmm yeah, that's not how it used to be.
20:52 wizzyrea did we fix that recently?
20:52 wizzyrea or change it?
20:52 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
20:53 cait not that i know of
20:53 cait also i think lots of libraries use both - i wouldn't say fix
20:53 cait trying without on my installation now
20:53 wizzyrea yeah, without I get 1/4 charges
20:53 wizzyrea but still I'm 3 charges short.
20:53 cait wizzyrea: did you waive a find efor one of those items today?
20:54 wizzyrea yes, yes I did
20:54 cait can you use an item you haven't used in testing yet? on that account?
20:54 cait what i see is: once i had the fine waived, it won't set it again
20:54 cait independent of the finesonreturn pref
20:54 wizzyrea I'll do a whole new borrower
20:54 wizzyrea that must be it
20:54 wizzyrea are we expecting that?
20:56 cait i didn't :)
20:56 wizzyrea right, ok, so with a fresh borrower, items that haven't been waived for anyone today, fines are calculating ok!
20:56 wizzyrea Hooray!
20:56 cait but i am undecided if i think it's wrong
20:59 wizzyrea ...
20:59 wizzyrea I just had something strange happen.
20:59 wizzyrea I ticked one box to return
20:59 wizzyrea maybe it's not so strange.
20:59 wizzyrea I guess it ticks overdue items by default for renewal?
21:00 wizzyrea so when you click "renew or return checked items" it is going to return the ticked one, plus all of the ticked overdues
21:00 wizzyrea that seems like a recipe for unintended renewals.
21:00 wizzyrea i'm not sure it's different from the old behaviour.
21:01 cait i think it's the old behaviour
21:01 wizzyrea ok good.
21:01 cait because owen specifically brought it back :)
21:01 * wizzyrea does not argue with oleonard
21:01 cait heh same for me
21:01 cait ok,i htink i need to stop testing for tonight
21:01 wizzyrea but, it did mess up my test case. hrmph.
21:02 wizzyrea hey, did you see what I did for bug 12123?
21:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
21:02 wizzyrea for something not-stressful.
21:02 cait couldn't test yet - but left owen a later :)
21:02 cait i think he wasn't around today
21:02 wizzyrea *nod*
21:03 wizzyrea tl;dr: it doesn't use an iframe, fixes the problem.
21:03 wizzyrea sleep well though
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21:04 cait thx :)
21:04 cait hi pianohacker - bye pianohacker :)
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21:04 pianohacker hi cait
21:04 pianohacker darnit
21:04 tcohen cait!
21:04 * tcohen was setting a clean DB to start testing
21:05 tcohen ahi pianohacker
21:06 pianohacker hi tcohen
21:06 tcohen it's been a while!
21:06 tcohen how have you been?
21:06 pianohacker good, good. Very busy with school, thus my limited time in channel :) And you?
21:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13152 - Duplicate phone hold notices when using Talking Tech <[…]9f97d4dd30dacf3f9> / Bug 12298: DBRev <[…]2dc30564a335a224b> / Bug 12298: The "feed" MTT does not seem to be used and can be removed <
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21:08 cait ah before i forget - we still need sign offs for a couple of bugs: bug 13332 bug 13215 and bug 12831
21:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13332 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Items disappear from staff detail page when there is an on-site checkout
21:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13215 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , letter.code is considered as a primary key
21:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12831 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , local only logins should still work when ldap authentication is enabled
21:09 tcohen heh
21:09 tcohen night cait
21:09 cait bug 12669
21:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12669 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Needs Signoff , "Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone"
21:09 cait night tcohen :) - overdues seem to behave now, don't worry :)
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21:10 tcohen pianohacker: all pretty messy here, baby coming, release in a couple days, lots of stuff to do!
21:10 tcohen heh
21:11 wajasu i'm going to work signoffs tonight.  any i should prioritize?
21:11 wizzyrea I'm not sure "behave" is the word I'd use, I'm not sure that the writeoff thing isn't a problem
21:11 wizzyrea ah before i forget - we still need sign offs for a couple of bugs: bug 13332 bug 13215 and bug 12831
21:11 wizzyrea ^ says cait
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21:11 tcohen wajasu: the last two are prety important
21:11 wizzyrea 13332 seems pretty important as well
21:12 tcohen ah yes
21:12 tcohen i think of it as a simpler one
21:12 wizzyrea items disappearing gives many a librarian heart attacks.
21:12 tcohen but is important too
21:12 wizzyrea we like their hearts beating.
21:13 pianohacker tcohen: cool. Congratulations on the baby :)
21:13 tcohen thanks
21:13 wajasu i think i can do the 12831 ldap, and i'll try 13332 as well.
21:13 tcohen wajasu++
21:14 wajasu by the way, do you know who on the channel is the ldap end user, so if i have a question and they are around ...
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21:15 tcohen wajasu, I'm not sure
21:16 tcohen ashimema has been diggin' on the use cases
21:16 wizzyrea we have clients using ldap
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21:40 eythian hi
21:43 tcohen hi eythian
21:47 magnuse kia ora eythian
21:47 magnuse the current squeeze-dev is the beta, right?
21:49 tcohen beta+bonuses :-P
21:49 eythian magnuse: yeah, more or less
21:50 magnuse cool, thanks
21:50 eythian actually, I think it built 100% last time I did, so I didn't add more.
21:50 eythian I should do another build now
21:50 magnuse maybe send an email to the list(s) and remind people to test?
21:51 magnuse eythian++ btw
21:51 * magnuse wanders off to catch some sleep
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21:52 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
21:52 eythian 21° now. Madness.
22:05 bag @wunder 93111
22:05 huginn bag: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 24.3°C (2:04 PM PST on November 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling).
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22:21 dcook morning
22:22 tcohen night dcook
22:24 dcook night tcohen
22:25 cbrannon There is an awesome video floating around about Koha, from Kohacon14.  I am bummed I can't understand the other languages.  We need some subtitles.  :)
22:25 wizzyrea the youtube has captions
22:25 eythian cbrannon: it has subtitles
22:25 wizzyrea you just have to turn them on.
22:25 cbrannon It does???
22:26 eythian yep
22:26 wizzyrea yep, 6 languages now.
22:26 tcohen Filipino!
22:26 cbrannon I wish I had know.  I'll be back in 15 then.  ;)
22:26 wizzyrea
22:27 eythian dcook: liw is the best person to ask about obnam
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22:37 cbrannon That was fun.  :)
22:38 dcook eythian: I thought liw was the right person
22:38 dcook Hope I catch him around sometime!
22:38 dcook As a librarian who loves computers and wishes he had done more archives courses, backups are pretty much my biggest data obsession
22:39 dcook Need to keep those awful selfies from uni forever!
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22:43 tcohen @seen liw
22:43 huginn tcohen: liw was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 14 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: * liw gives drojf several: s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s (/me has a secret stash of s's for several situations)
22:43 wizzyrea europe time :)
22:44 dcook Whereabouts is liw these days?
22:45 * dcook is guessing northwestern europe
22:45 wizzyrea finally got my android 5 update \o.
22:45 wizzyrea \o/
22:45 tcohen my phone got it, but is stuck in barcelona right now, waiting for some friend to come to argentina
22:46 wizzyrea seriously?
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22:46 tcohen yeah, they don't sell it here, so a friend bought it, and i got to send it for replacement :'(
22:47 tcohen *send it back
22:47 tcohen google wouldn't send it to argentina
22:47 * wizzyrea blinks
22:47 tcohen customs tend to be problematic here
22:47 tcohen (that's why they don't sell it here)
22:49 wizzyrea :/
22:49 tcohen so, is it pretty wizzyrea ?
22:49 dcook Apparently, Australia Post now has a warehouse in America where you can get stuff sent
22:49 dcook And they'll ship it back to you in Australia
22:50 wizzyrea I think so
22:50 tcohen do u like it?
22:50 wizzyrea I've had it for all of 20 minutes now :)
22:50 dcook Not super cheap, but it beats those times when sellers won't ship overseas
22:50 wizzyrea and 10 of those it's been deleting photos that I've just recently backed up
22:52 eythian dcook: yeah, nzpost has the same thing
22:52 dcook eythian: Sweeet
22:52 dcook Of course, now I can't think of anything to buy in America :p
22:53 dcook Maybe if we look at prams and then find it cheaper there, but the weight would probably make shipping a bit killer
22:53 dcook wizzyrea: eeep!
22:53 tcohen pram?
22:53 pianohacker cribs, right?
22:53 pianohacker I think it's a UK/AU/NZ word
22:53 eythian no
22:53 eythian you don't have prams?
22:54 eythian what do you call them then?
22:54 pianohacker strollers, maybe?
22:54 eythian ah, probably
22:54 tcohen cochechito
22:54 tcohen (little car)
22:54 pianohacker @english_dialects--
22:54 huginn pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
22:55 pianohacker also, hi eythian :) how are you? How's it going?
22:55 eythian good, keeping busy
22:57 dcook pianohacker, tcohen: strollers
22:57 pianohacker ah, cool :)
22:57 dcook My favourite...
22:57 wahanui dcook, your favourite is the one with TWO New Zealands
22:57 dcook perambulator
22:57 dcook lol
22:57 dcook wahanui: yes, that is true
22:57 wahanui ...but that is the intended behavior?...
22:57 dcook I hope not
22:57 pianohacker heh
22:58 dcook I don't know how perambulator ever became pram, but..
22:58 dcook I like pram better than stroller
22:58 wizzyrea meh, put the baby in a sling :P
22:59 eythian it's pretty easy, there's a suburb here called Paraparaumu, and it's also called pram.
22:59 wizzyrea i had a pram, used it maybe 5x then it just took up space.
22:59 dcook wizzyrea: orly?
22:59 dcook We already have a sling/harness thing which seems rad
22:59 wizzyrea though paraparaumu is really hard for me to say.
22:59 dcook paraparaumu... para-para-umu?
22:59 eythian yeah
22:59 wizzyrea but I feel weird calling it pram.
22:59 dcook That's probably just how the Canadians pronounce it
23:00 dcook woolloomooloo used to throw me off, but I think I have it down now
23:01 wizzyrea "the place across from kapiti, just up from raumati" works for me.
23:01 wizzyrea which is a lot to say for just paraparaumu.
23:01 dcook lol
23:01 dcook I used to like when people would ask me how to spell leichhardt
23:01 dcook I'd say "with two Hs"
23:02 dcook Which seemed reasonable enough at the time...
23:02 pianohacker wow, that word
23:02 dcook ?
23:02 ibeardslee wizzyrea: Slings are good for babies.  Of course you need a bit of a wind up before you let it go.
23:02 tcohen shouldn't we use NULL for indefinite dates instead of 9999-...?
23:02 eythian hmm
23:02 eythian null means "no value"
23:02 dcook tcohen: Dunno, but the 9999 thing is certainly weird
23:03 eythian which could mean indefinite, but also could just mean "no value", depending on context
23:03 tcohen we seem to parse dates everywhere, just in case they are 999
23:03 eythian also, it gets problematic in some cases.
23:03 eythian how do you say "not debarred"?
23:03 eythian or whatever the one is that has a date
23:04 eythian so, not blocked vs. blocked until a date vs. blocked indefinitely
23:04 tcohen heh, split the question: is_debarred = true| false and then take care of the date
23:04 eythian hmm
23:04 tcohen otherwise you end up with lots of tricks in the code
23:04 eythian yeah.
23:04 eythian I'm trying to find a nice solution, but mostly failing
23:05 tcohen i don't intend to fix it, just trying to figure how to write some regression tests
23:10 dcook liw++
23:11 dcook Haven't tried Obnam yet, but yay for already being in Ubuntu
23:12 bag[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998
23:12 huginn Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
23:12 eythian bag: hoping to fix the current issue with that today
23:13 bag coolness
23:13 wahanui rumour has it coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there.  The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload.  So far, I'm happy as a clam with this.  I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard
23:13 BobB joined #koha
23:13 bag :)
23:13 bag heya BobB
23:13 tcohen eythian: circular dependencies?
23:13 wahanui circular dependencies are a problem - sekjal has been looking at those, i think?
23:14 BobB hi bag
23:14 eythian tcohen: I think so
23:14 eythian probably just a 'use' that needs to be removed
23:15 BobB hi tcohen, eythian
23:15 tcohen hi Bob
23:17 eythian yay, finally got my pbuilder environment rebuilt properly after accidentally overwriting it.
23:18 tcohen 3.18 is 100% translated into spanish, I love this guys!
23:18 tcohen kohacon++
23:19 eythian we've been talking about getting the en-NZ translation re-finished too. Hopefully we get the chance.
23:19 tcohen hopefully!
23:24 eythian new master packages uploading
23:27 tcohen hi kathryn
23:29 eythian @wunder nzwn
23:29 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on November 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
23:29 eythian hmm, my watch is saying 24°. I wonder which is more correct.
23:31 tcohen @seen kathryn
23:31 huginn tcohen: kathryn was last seen in #koha 1 day, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <kathryn> hallo cait :)
23:44 tcohen hmm, I used nytprof for the first time
23:45 tcohen 260ms to load C4::Members! For a search!
23:45 tcohen 165ms to get the facets from Zebra :/
23:48 tcohen dcook: 2.63s spent on searchResults => we need to do that XSLT thing
23:49 tcohen it spends most of the time reading from the DB (should all be already calculated and cached) and creating the MARC::Record obsject
23:52 tcohen what bothers me, is that no matter how fast is the next fancy indexing engine, we have a big/real bottleneck here
23:59 eythian oh yeah, I haven't really ever considered zebra to be slow

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