IRC log for #koha, 2014-09-05

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00:43 huginn dcook: khall was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 57 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <khall> if you want to write it, I'll so it! I think the code is much fresher in your mind right now than mine ; )
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03:49 indradg morning #koha
03:49 * indradg waves
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06:28 reiveune hello
06:28 wahanui hello, reiveune
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06:35 mveron Good worldtime #koha
06:36 mveron @wunder Basel
06:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Attenschwiller, Sundgau, Attenschwiller, Switzerland is 15.2°C (8:35 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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06:36 mveron @wunder Allschwil
06:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 16.7°C (8:36 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
06:37 indradg @wunder Kolkata
06:37 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 32.0°C (11:50 AM IST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
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06:47 cait hi #koha
06:49 mveron hi cait :-)
06:49 cait hi mveron :)
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06:50 * magnuse waves
06:50 cait guten morgen magnuse :)
06:50 mveron hi magnuse :-)
06:51 magnuse hiya cait and mveron
06:53 indradg hi cait, magnuse mveron
06:53 mveron hi indradg :-)
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07:14 magnuse hiya indradg and viktorsarge_
07:18 viktorsarge_ Hi :)
07:23 cait hi indradg and viktorsarge_
07:25 Joubu hello #koha
07:29 magnuse bonjour Joubu
07:29 magnuse @wunder boo
07:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:30 ashimema Morning #koha
07:31 dcook magnuse: I had no idea there were only about 5 million people in Norway!
07:31 dcook hi by the way :)
07:31 dcook Sydney, as a city, has about 4.5 million :S
07:32 dcook Well, not as a city. As a muncipal area.
07:32 dcook metropolitan area. Whatever.
07:36 magnuse yeah, we're small and cute ;-)
07:57 ashimema small and cute might not be the operative words there magnuse ;)
07:57 cait lol
07:59 ashimema morning cait
07:59 ashimema certainly friendly though magnuse.. ;)
08:01 dcook Friendly and giant!
08:01 dcook Ok, I should go home. When did it become 6?
08:03 ashimema lol
08:03 ashimema interesting comments you've made on the anywhere index bug dcook.
08:04 cait have a nice weekend dcook
08:05 dcook thanks, cait. You too :)
08:05 dcook ashimema: I vaguely recall them :D
08:05 dcook I remember the thing about the semantics
08:05 dcook And the xsltproc param thang
08:06 dcook I've used LibXML to pass in params when processing XSLTs in Perl before. It works a treat.
08:06 dcook Limit of 32 params, but... I don't know why a person would need so many
08:06 ashimema lol
08:08 dcook I do like the idea of an anywhere index though
08:08 dcook I think it's much more what people think of as a traditional "keyword" index
08:08 dcook Well, maybe not "traditional"
08:08 dcook But keyword at least
08:08 dcook Of course you could get lots of crap in there too..
08:10 ashimema I felt the 'Any' index was a better keyword index than the 'Anywhere' one..
08:10 dcook Agreed
08:10 ashimema already filtered down to a 'sensible' set of fields..
08:10 dcook For sure
08:10 ashimema Anywhere is just too cumbersome.
08:10 dcook Didn't you write the DOM patch? :p
08:10 ashimema I did indeed..
08:11 ashimema all I did though was run mathieu's patches through the grs1 to dom mill..
08:11 dcook Mmm
08:11 ashimema I didn't change any of the indexes he'd chosen to go inot the any.
08:11 ashimema I know it works, as a fiar chunk of our customers are using that patch ;)
08:11 ashimema all our customers have been DOM for ages..
08:12 dcook I'm sure it does work, but perhaps not according to the Bib-1 semantic spec, yes?
08:12 dcook DOM is pretty awesome
08:12 dcook I guess we've had a fair number of people on it for some time now too
08:12 ashimema so I made it my mission some time back to try and 'domify' any patches that came in without dom counterparts ;)
08:12 dcook Mmm
08:12 ashimema i never read the bit-1 spec ;)
08:12 dcook Your domming efforts are appreciated :)
08:12 ashimema It noticibly improved search.. so I used it ;)
08:13 dcook At this point, I'm still looking at query building :)
08:13 dcook Well, by still looking I mean I've had zero time to look at it lately
08:13 dcook While I love having new clients, it makes it tougher to do community stuff :/
08:13 magnuse ashimema: i meant as a country, not as individuals ;-)
08:14 dcook I don't think I actually know any Norwegians besides magnuse
08:14 dcook I think I have about 1/8 Norwegian ancestry so I guess I know the descendants of Norwegians :p
08:14 ashimema I wouldn't say the country is especially cute either magnuse.. mountainous, cold, wet.. ;)
08:14 magnuse hm, sounds like we need to have a kohacon here :-)
08:14 ashimema hehe
08:14 dcook :D
08:14 ashimema I missed one.. beautiful..
08:15 ashimema I hear it's very beautiful too
08:15 ashimema I've been wanting to visit norway for years..
08:15 * magnuse would say so
08:15 * dcook needs to find a(n affordable) way to get to Norway
08:15 dcook I almost went to Iceland to study Old Icelandic/Norse literature
08:15 ashimema i's not just getting there.. it's really expensive to stay ther too dcook
08:15 dcook But alas... moved to a different prairie city instead. Silly, dcook.
08:15 dcook ashimema: Yeah, magnuse has shared some prices... yikes.
08:16 magnuse yeah, we are kind of expensive
08:16 ashimema yup..
08:16 ashimema I need to get my fitness back up before heading out..
08:16 ashimema I'd want to kayak a few crazy rivers if I was over there ;)
08:16 magnuse but it's not maye quite as expensive as some people make it out to be:[…]ity-in-world.html
08:16 ashimema but i've lost the stamina for that at the moment.
08:17 dcook Ah, that's the one that you showed me before, magnuse, I think
08:17 magnuse yeah, i try to show it to people as often as i can
08:17 * ashimema goe sto read it
08:18 dcook Hmm, some of those prices aren't dissimilar to here
08:18 ashimema dcook.. did you look at bug 9352 at all?
08:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9352 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Needs Signoff , Zebra indexes useless subfields in UNIMARC 7XX
08:18 dcook Are those US dollars?
08:18 dcook ashimema: Not even a little bit
08:18 dcook Well, I followed the link.
08:18 dcook But I don't deal in UNIMARC
08:19 ashimema you sounded knolledgable about xsl..
08:19 dcook I think I have a bookmark somewhere to an IFLA site which sort of shows the UNIMARC "standard"
08:19 ashimema wondered if you could cast your eye over patch 3
08:19 dcook I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable about XSL these days :)
08:19 * dcook is the worst husband right now
08:20 ashimema it's more the changes to koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl i'm really interseted in someone looking at
08:21 ashimema indexing a group of subfields as a phrase sounds like genius to me ;)
08:21 ashimema which reminds me..
08:22 dcook Hmm
08:22 ashimema anyone know if there's any clear documentation for the format of *-koha-indexdefs.xml knocking around..
08:22 ashimema it's pretty self explanitory when you read it..
08:23 dcook biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl looks ok
08:23 ashimema but for 'new' features of it like this groups declarative I think some docs would be very suefull
08:23 dcook I think koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xs is a bit funky in general of course
08:23 ashimema indeed..
08:23 ashimema it's darn clever really.. taking a relatively straight forward xml format to a pretty hard to digest xsl
08:24 ashimema tcohen helped me finally get my head around that yesterday
08:24 dcook <xslo:value-of select="substring(' ', 1, 1)"/> is weird
08:24 dcook I would think <xslo:text> </xslo:text> would probably work instead
08:25 dcook Hmm, would have to poke around more
08:26 dcook I was thinking a bit about phrase registers vs word registers today...
08:26 dcook Ah, and I think I just remembered how they work
08:26 ashimema cool.. i'de be interested to hear your thoughts..
08:27 ashimema but maybe another time.. sounds like you need to go see th wife ;)
08:27 * ashimema just read up ;)
08:28 dcook She's stopping at the pub. Maybe I'll take 5 more minutes..
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08:29 dcook Not sure that I see the utility of index_group_of_subfields
08:29 dcook Oh I see...
08:30 dcook It's not all subfields. Just the ones that you want.
08:30 ashimema takes a moment to get your head aroud..
08:30 ashimema but i 'think' it makes sense to me..
08:30 ashimema it's more whether the xsl is correct that i'm not able to do yet ;)
08:30 cait i wonder if we haven't something similar for subjects yet
08:30 cait with the work jared did on tracings?
08:30 dcook Mmm because koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl looks so funky?
08:31 cait i think the idea there is similar, you want to have the $a and $x and whatever in one phrase so can search exactly
08:31 dcook Mmm
08:31 dcook That does sound the same
08:34 dcook ashimema: Yeah, I think it looks all right
08:34 ashimema fantastic..
08:34 dcook Don't know for sure without backtracking some of the inputs and such but overall I don't see anything too bad standing out
08:34 dcook I'd suggest re-running xsltproc and then taking a look at the indexes in Zebra via yaz-client
08:34 dcook And on that note, I should run :)
08:35 dcook Ciao
08:39 viktorsarge_ Hi cait - sorry for slow response. On 2G line here trying to solve a little server mishap.
08:44 magnuse viktorsarge_: not my server, i hope?
08:49 viktorsarge_ No magnuse Your server have been behaving very well for over a year now :)
08:50 viktorsarge_ The only time we've had problems with the server magnuse is running for us was when we were flooded with traffic and it had to be filtered in the firewall.
08:52 * magnuse breathes a sigh of relief
08:52 cait :)
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09:55 Joubu cait: I am not sure to understand the difference between the "in-house use" and "reading room" terms (cf bug 10860).
09:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use
10:01 cait hm maybe we shoudl ask a native speaker
10:02 cait i think in-house use is without a checkout maybe
10:02 cait and anonymous as it is in koha now - you scan things that people have put on the tables to see what was used
10:03 cait hm what david said in comment 26
10:03 cait what he described in the second part would be a reading room use here... lesesaalnutzung
10:04 cait where the book is linked to a patron, but for some reason you are not allowed to take it out of the building, for example because it's a rare book
10:04 cait I think my thought was that maybe we should use differnt terms if it means different thigns/approaces
10:05 cait probably good to ask an english speaking academic library person :)
10:06 Joubu cait: erk ok thanks. I don't smell good at all...
10:06 Joubu ...
10:06 Joubu It does not!*
10:06 Joubu :p
10:07 cait heh :)
10:07 cait i have to leave early today - will be back next week - maybe jcamins or gmcharlt could be helpful here
10:07 Joubu in France we call that "consultation/reading on site"
10:08 Joubu ok thanks, I will ask them
10:08 cait i think maybe a similar concept to what we have here
10:08 cait it happens in ILL to - the other library sends the book, but says it can only be used in the readng room/under supervision
10:09 Joubu these patches are started to be really hard to rebase...
10:09 cait i am sorry i am not much help right now :(
10:09 cait i hope it will be better again after 26th
10:09 Joubu yes, so reading room is maybe more meaningful here
10:09 cait and looking forward to argentina and doing lots there
10:18 cait have a nice weekend all
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10:46 * magnuse wishes he was looking forward to argentina...
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10:55 bgkriegel morning
10:55 ashimema afternoon ;)
11:02 indradg good $TZ_SPECIFIC_GREETINGS bgkriegel, ashimema :)
11:02 ashimema ;)
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11:06 bgkriegel :)
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14:00 ashimema ?
14:00 Joubu oleonard, gmcharlt, jcamins, ashimema: Could one of you (native speaker:)) tell me if the "In house use" term is correct for bug 10860.
14:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use
14:01 Joubu The feature allows to check an item out to a patron but the patron is not allowed to go out with it.
14:01 Joubu (and the item has to be returned at the end of the day)
14:01 ashimema I see..
14:01 ashimema hmm.. let me have a think..
14:02 Joubu in France we call that "consultation/reading on site"
14:02 ashimema doesn't sound especially celar to me.. but equially i can't think of anything better at the minute ;)
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14:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6149: (qa followup) sysprefs should be alphabetically sorted <[…]6f6396e77a7d71c42> / Bug 6149: DBRev <[…]8c3b18d960606aa16> / Bug 6149 - Follow-up [syspref] - Stopwords for Result Highlighting <
14:46 matts ashimema, I've successfully tested the last shib patches, I'm signing them off.
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14:54 matts it's a strange strange experience to use Vim in german... :)
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14:59 ashimema lol
14:59 ashimema I had that issue on caits server too
15:00 ashimema awesome.. thanks matts.. your a star
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15:01 ashimema I'm struggling to find a customer to test your inventory patch i'm afraid.. we've not used it here so I'm not really in a good position to test it :(
15:01 ashimema Happy to take a look at anything else though.. I deffo owe you one for the shib testing ;)
15:04 reiveune bye
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15:09 matts Hmm too bad ! But I'll find something else for you to test, don't worry :)
15:11 matts Okay, let's enjoy the week-end now !
15:11 matts Bye !
15:11 tcohen yay shibb!
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15:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12582: DBRev <[…]d4d241c2e8de40ffc> / Bug 12582 - Control of branch displayed in search results linked to HomeOrHoldingBranch <[…]f0d159b604af350f7> / Bug 12330: [QA Follow-up] Consistency between opac-search and staff client <http://git.koha-
15:44 Joubu have a good w-e #koha!
15:45 oleonard You too Joubu!
15:49 tcohen enjoy Joubu !
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16:20 * cait waves
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16:46 cait everyone has started their weekend already? :)
16:48 oleonard Friday is always quiet around here
16:48 gmcharlt BOOM
16:48 * oleonard has a couple more hours of work-week left :)
16:48 gmcharlt (that loud enough for you?)
16:49 cait :)
16:49 cait much better!
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16:56 Mahdi hi - i had a question about having alternative names (or spellings) in the authority 400 field
16:57 Mahdi it works great if you are searching for authorities, but when searching for the library record directly is it possible for koha to allow the different names
16:57 Mahdi it doesn't seem to work
16:58 Mahdi e.g. i am searching for all books by author X, but in the catalog search i enter X's nickname which in his authority record is present in the 400 field
16:58 cait there is a preference that will make that work
16:58 cait but you need to reindex completely
16:58 Mahdi ok
16:58 cait and as there is a small bug, i'd wait for 3.16.4 to do that
16:59 Mahdi when is that reelase expected
16:59 cait around end of this month
16:59 Mahdi OK i can wait for that
16:59 Mahdi which preference is it
16:59 cait IncludeSeeFromInSearches
16:59 wahanui rumour has it IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore
17:00 cait had to look it up :)
17:00 cait the bug is, sec
17:00 cait bug 12788
17:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
17:00 Mahdi thanks!
17:00 cait the 400s show up in the facets, which they shouldn't
17:00 cait should just be searchable :)
17:23 tcohen hi cait
17:23 cait hi tomas
17:23 cait i am looking for some fun tonight
17:23 cait do you want to pick a not too evil bug? :)
17:24 tcohen ok?
17:25 tcohen cait: would you consider reviewing 12788? it has two signoffs
17:25 cait bug 12788
17:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
17:26 cait sure!
17:26 tcohen gmcharlt: have a minute?
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18:01 indradg weekend starts tomorrow :)
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18:31 indradg cait: does bug 11298 impact only the master?
18:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11298 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Renewal due date won't take specified time into account
18:32 cait hm i am not sure, but i probably ran into it on an older version first
18:32 indradg ok
18:33 cait and it quite certainly predates the ajax patches
18:33 indradg i couldnt reproduce it on 3.14.09
18:33 cait but this part didn't change i think
18:33 cait hm maybe a 3.16
18:33 indradg possible will check
18:33 cait thank you
18:34 indradg i was looking at renewal datetimes because of this​oha/2014-September/040677.html
18:34 cait tcohen: you passed qa :)
18:34 tcohen awesome cait
18:34 cait looking really good
18:34 indradg strangely, in my 3.14.09 instance I can't reproduce the error that he says impacts his 3.14.08
18:35 druthb tcohen is quality!  Definitely he would pass qa.
18:35 cait hm i think 2 different hings
18:35 cait the time a reneal was done and the time a renwal was renewed to
18:35 cait if that makes any sense
18:37 cait tcohen: something else?
18:37 tcohen have a nice weekend :-D
18:37 cait heh
18:37 cait ok
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18:42 indradg cait: time a renewal is done - lastreneweddate, where as date_due gets the new renewed to datetime... and I find that to be working correctly in 3.14.09.
18:43 cait :)
18:43 indradg can't see any bugfix on that in 3.14.09 relnotes... so no clue
18:44 cait hm i don't remember a bug there right now :(
18:56 bag afternoon y'all
18:56 bag magnuse: HI
18:56 wahanui privet, bag
18:57 cait hi bag
18:57 bag cait: HI
18:57 bag how you doing today?  School going well?
18:58 cait hm some things yes, others ont
18:58 cait but i hope it's oging to work out
18:59 cait how are you doing? plans for argentina made?
19:01 bag yup got tickets and got my hotel for argentina
19:01 bag I'm going to smoke some ribs this weekend so I can start getting inshape for the asado (tcohen) :)
19:01 tcohen :-D
19:02 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "jcamins: latest" (45 lines) at
19:02 bag I arrive buttcrack earlier in the morning on the 7th (12:37am) and I'm there until the 13th
19:02 cait cool :)
19:03 cait you should put that on the wiki :)
19:03 tcohen :D
19:03 bag it will be up there at some point cait
19:03 cait :)
19:03 * cait is looking forward to the asado too
19:03 bag cait++
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19:39 tcohen bye #koha
19:40 tcohen nice weekend
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19:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12788: (followup) minor optimization with proper tests <[…]123c51ff2b6cf25fc> / Bug 12788: facets calculation should skip 100 if ind1=z <[…]951684092045886fa> / Bub 12788: (regression test) refactor facet extraction code to allow testing <http://git.koha-
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20:00 bag reports library?
20:00 wahanui somebody said reports library was found at[…]L_Reports_Library
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20:12 Mahdi hi - when adding a marc record, why is it some of the fields don't show up
20:12 Mahdi some of the tags i mean, that are defined on the framework
20:17 bag if you click on the big heading do they "then" appear
20:17 Mahdi what's the big heading?
20:17 Mahdi e.g in the 9s tab
20:18 Mahdi i only see 942
20:18 Mahdi where's 952
20:18 wahanui rumour has it 952 is the field used for items in Koha. See[…]_fields_%289xx%29
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