IRC log for #koha, 2014-09-04

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00:04 dcook Oh WYSIWYG editors, why do you hate HTML so much?
00:05 eythian wahanui: packages
00:05 wahanui packages is at
00:05 eythian papa: --^ there
00:28 mtompset ubuntu?
00:28 wahanui i think ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
00:28 mtompset ubuntu packages?
00:28 mtompset package install?
00:28 wahanui hmmm... package install is easy, if you do it on a supported os
00:29 mtompset installation?
00:29 wahanui installation is running a modified 3.6.x
00:29 mtompset git?
00:29 wahanui i heard git was mostly needed when you want to do development, there are packages for debian that can make my life eaiser installing it
00:29 mtompset tarball?
00:29 wahanui The tarballs are available at though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
00:29 mtompset instructions?
00:29 wahanui instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you
00:49 dcook Hmm... I like this two monitor setup, but a third monitor would be rather nice...
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03:32 eythian urg, 3.14.10 requires a new dependency.
03:32 eythian That is double-plus-ungood.
03:32 dcook :(
03:33 eythian liblocale-maketext-lexicon-perl
03:33 eythian at least it's in debian already.
03:33 rangi people been backporting features ?
03:33 eythian yup, bug 8044 specifically
03:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Localization for Perl scripts and modules
03:34 rangi gah
03:34 rangi somehow the rule that we only backport fixes has gotten lost
03:34 dcook ^
03:36 eythian I sent a passive aggressive email to the dev list about it :)
03:37 rangi :) thats the library way! :)
03:39 dcook lol
03:53 eythian urg, and there's special cases in the control file I need to be aware of because I was expecting to not have to regenerate it.
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04:02 eythian OK, time to try building 3.14.10 again
04:26 eythian 3.14.10 packages uploading
04:26 eythian I suppose I should have a go fixing master after this.
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04:36 * cait waves
04:36 eythian hi cait
04:37 cait hi eythian
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05:26 eythian @later tell tcohen this Test::Simple thing is going to be annoying. I shall blame you! :)
05:26 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:28 * eythian has to run away to make beer. Later all.
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06:02 rangi BobB: so argentina are playing australia, in argentina october 5
06:03 rangi[…]lvinas_Argentinas  <-- there
06:05 BobB what?
06:05 rangi unfortunately its a 7 hour drive there from cordoba
06:06 rangi but we might be able to find a sports bar to watch it :)
06:06 BobB oh the Wallabies?  I assumed football, doh
06:07 BobB yeah, that would be great
06:07 BobB I would not fly to it, the day after a long haul  :)
06:07 rangi yeah :)
06:07 rangi nz vs south africa sometime that day too
06:07 rangi in south africa
06:08 rangi last round of the tournament, so could be exciting
06:08 BobB time for a kip in between then?  Or a long night!
06:08 BobB nah, will be done by then, Blacks are untouchable this year
06:10 rangi i think the sa one will be during the day, while we are at conference
06:10 rangi but the argentina should be the evening argentina time
06:11 BobB Sunday night in SA would be Sunday morning in Argentina?  might be earlier
06:12 BobB 5th is saturday, eh
06:14 rangi its 10.40am 5th nz time
06:14 rangi so not suer what time that is in argentina, lemme check
06:15 rangi oh its on the 4th argentina time
06:15 rangi darn, i think we will be in the air
06:15 rangi or in santiago, i doubt it will be on at the airport :)
06:16 BobB maybe at the airport in Santiago
06:16 BobB snap!
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06:23 petter Hi #koha
06:23 rangi hi petter
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:41 ashimema morning all
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06:44 akafred "god morgen" (from Norway)
06:45 rangi morning reiveune, ashimema, paul_p and akafred
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06:45 paul_p hi rangi.
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06:46 reiveune \o_
06:46 paul_p spring coming ? (here, summer still here. Or should I say at least, summer is here. We had the most raining & cold summer since a long time. We used the cond air only a few time)
06:48 ashimema similar here paul.. pretty rainy summer
06:53 ashimema did anyone manage to catch gmcharlt about the holds display bug in 3.16.3 yesterday?
06:54 ashimema looks like he missed a tiny typo followup when he pushed the ajax circ bug..
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06:56 marcelr hi #koha
06:57 dcook Noo, go away people. It can't be time for me to go home yet...
06:57 marcelr hi dcook
06:57 marcelr just stay
06:57 ashimema haha... hi dcook
06:58 dcook hehe
06:58 dcook hey marcelr && ashimema :)
06:59 dcook paul_p: it looked like spring was coming, then it got cold again :S
07:03 Joubu Hello
07:03 wahanui hey, Joubu
07:04 Joubu ashimema: hum, I thought rainy summer was usual in England.
07:04 dcook yo Joubu
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07:13 Joubu it seems that should require a password for editing the wiki page..
07:13 Joubu[…]_Group_discussion
07:14 rangi Joubu: yep, i let them know
07:15 Joubu rangi: I undone the the last change
07:16 rangi cool, if you look at the recent changes, its lots of spam
07:20 marcelr thx ashimema
07:25 Joubu haha, the Lyon3's poster is very funny
07:30 * mveron found some broken links on Koha about page. See Bug 7143
07:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
07:40 marcelr mveron++
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07:43 * cait waves
07:43 dcook yo cait :)
07:45 cait yo dcook
07:50 matts hi #koha !
07:50 cait hi matts :)
07:50 matts cait, ashimema, I'll probably have another look at the shib patch today or tomorrow.
07:51 cait cool
07:51 cait let me know if you need something
07:51 matts okay :)
07:51 ashimema lol.. nice spot Joubu
07:52 ashimema matts: awesome!
07:52 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
07:52 matts Oh, and just a reminder : nobody looked at Bug 12631 I think... I would be glad if someone did. It's really a fix for a wrong behavior that needs to be corrected :)
07:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12631 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses
07:53 matts (the test plan is there, and the patch is small :))
07:54 dcook Man... Chrome needs to get better dictionaries. It's underlining all my five dollar words...
07:55 ashimema will take a look at 12631 today matts
07:57 matts Thx !
08:32 cait hm
08:32 cait it used to be possible to scan items onto a list in staff
08:33 cait is that feature gone or are we just not seeing it?
08:33 cait staff - lists - list details - i thought
08:34 cait hm
08:34 cait looks like it only appears for 'my lists'
08:34 cait not for public lists although i can change those too
08:34 cait i am reporting ab ug later
08:35 ashimema cait.. you are a bug finding machine ;)
08:43 cait i wish i was not
08:47 marcelr i have a dom question (dom means stupid in dutch by the way :-): can i exclude a marc subfield from dom indexing?
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08:48 marcelr i commented the field in the indexdefs but the contents is still in the any index?
08:48 marcelr anyone knows?
08:51 marcelr bug 11291
08:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Failed QA , Change the behavior of any index in DOM indexing
08:52 cait hm
08:52 cait only the usual... are you really using DOM? did you reindex?
08:52 cait in my case it usually is... did you use the env variable of the right installation and did reindex the right one....
08:53 cait but that's because my setup is weird :)
08:54 marcelr yes i reindexed
08:54 marcelr also bug 8962
08:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8962 enhancement, P4, ---, mathsabypro, Needs Signoff , Create a new index for OPAC simple search, more specific than "any"
08:54 cait oh
08:54 cait dev installation?
08:54 cait did you copy the new index defs over to koha-dev
08:55 marcelr it seems that some have been working on this already
08:55 cait or whatever yours is called if you didn't symlink them
08:55 marcelr yes dev install completely reindexed
08:55 cait and you rerean makefile?
08:55 marcelr but any by default includes everything
08:55 cait yes, but it needs to be indexed in some way i think
08:56 marcelr i will have a look at those patches
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08:59 brinxmat hey folks, can anyone give me a pointer to a simple method for inspecting a zebra index?
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09:27 quyen_pq Hi everybody
09:28 quyen_pq I get problem with koha index zebra in Viet namese language to index
09:28 quyen_pq Not found precise term
09:29 quyen_pq Example: When I type in the search box: Nguyen Minh Phuong and "Nguyen Minh Phuong" is the same results.
09:29 quyen_pq Althougt I try to edit icu.idx
09:29 quyen_pq and restart zebra server index.
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09:48 cait did you activate fuzzy?
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10:25 ashimema any javascript bods about?
10:25 ashimema We have a customer using koha inside an iFrame.. (yes, I hate iframes too)
10:26 ashimema I've fixed most issues but still have one last one left.
10:26 ashimema the basket.js code doesn't like working as it attempts to write a cookie across the iframe boundary.
10:36 akafred Are pastes on not persistent over time?
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10:58 ashimema stuff it.. cross domain basket is just never gonna work me thinks..
10:58 ashimema unless of course we switch to using localstorage instead of cookies maybe..
10:58 ashimema either way.. not worth my time to fix at this moment.
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12:00 cait akafred: no, when the server gets restarted it starts over
12:01 akafred even the numbering?
12:01 cait yes, it starts fresh, old pastes are lost
12:01 cait it#s just for temporary things
12:02 oleonard Hi everyone
12:02 akafred ok, thanks cait
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12:33 dpavlin khall: can you please take a look at my comment on bug 12729 -- comments from other JavaScript/date gurus are also very welcomed :-)
12:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12729 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue items won't show as overdue in red in circulation
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12:35 khall dpavlin: will do!
12:35 tcohen morning khall
12:36 dpavlin khall: thanks, my librarians are breading on my neck about this one :-)
12:38 khall dpavlin: yeah, we figured out FireFox is way more picky about dates. The question is, how do we solve it? I wish jQuery had a date/time system
12:40 dpavlin khall: I don't really know. I'm almost biased towards doing this check on perl side, and returning overdue flag together with other data instead of doing that in javascript.
12:41 dpavlin Alternative might be to include some third-party javascript date library, but somehow, I prefer to stay in perl with this.
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12:41 khall I'm leaning that way as well
12:43 dpavlin so, if you write patch, i will SO it, or you want that other way around? ;-)
12:45 khall if you want to write it, I'll so it! I think the code is much fresher in your mind right now than mine ; )
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13:01 ashimema Is it just me.. or is there a bug in updatedatabase when running an upgrade between 3.14.09 to 3.16.03?
13:02 ashimema every time I've run that upgrade path I'm faced with:
13:02 ashimema DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'koha.roadtype' doesn't exist at ./ line 7987.
13:02 cait it's a backport problem
13:02 ashimema thought it might.
13:02 cait i think 3.16 and 3.14 both try to move your roadtype table to authorized value
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13:03 cait i think you can safely ignore it - maybe check if you have a roadtype auth value if the library used the feature
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13:05 ashimema it's a particularly annoying one. as you can't ignore it..
13:05 ashimema you must somehow manually override it.. as the updatadatabase dies instead of continueing.
13:05 cait oh
13:05 ashimema indeed..
13:05 cait i hadn't had that happen yet
13:05 cait maybe it's more strict on command line or something?
13:05 ashimema so you end up with an unusable koha!
13:06 cait ugh
13:06 ashimema nope.. you get the same through staff client.
13:06 cait well than maybe we should patch that
13:06 cait it shoudl check if the database still exists
13:06 cait before running the second update bit
13:06 cait hm the table
13:06 wahanui the table is auth_header
13:06 cait not the database
13:06 cait forget the table
13:06 wahanui cait: I forgot table
13:07 druthb wahanui:  botsnack 150,000 authority records that won't ever be attached to anything
13:07 wahanui :)
13:07 * druthb likes making catalogers twitch
13:07 nengard heh
13:08 oleonard wahanui forgot the table? Worst. Banquet. Ever.
13:08 wahanui oleonard: i'm not following you...
13:11 druthb lol
13:12 oleonard I'm working with this regex fragment: [-. ]?  How can I match a single space, multiple spaces, or no spaces?
13:15 oleonard Hm, [-. ]*? seems to work
13:16 druthb It should.  * means "zero or more times"
13:17 oleonard I'm all for the infinite wonder of nature, but I could do without the infinite number of ways my staff can enter a &%$@ phone number
13:17 druthb lol
13:19 druthb I think I had a little script that normalized them, once, might be in the old migrations repo.  Basically, threw away everything non-digit, and then checked.  if 7 or 10 digits long, then it's easy.  others, leave it like it was before.  Didn't solve all the problems, but it helped some.
13:19 druthb I don't recall if I did that for Koha data normalization, or if I did it as a Sirsi Unicorn API script…but it shouldn't be hard to recreate that logic.
13:20 oleonard druthb: But that would mess up phone numbers like "(555)555-5555 (dad's cell phone, don't call before 3)" !!1
13:21 druthb No, it would ignore it utterly, and leave it right where it was.  That's 11 digits.  But if you also said, "leave alone ones that match /[a-zA-Z]/, then you'd be double-sure.
13:22 jcamins Of course, if you did that you'd also get "Athens, OH" as a phone number.
13:22 druthb the more I think about it, the more I think I did that in my Sirsi days.  I seem to remember our User Services committee pitching a fit about it, such that I had to make it uber-conservative, and only normalize when it was *certain*.
13:24 * oleonard runs off to check for phone numbers like "Athens, OH" in the db
13:24 dpavlin khall: take a look at bug 12729 -- I opted to use mysql to tell me if date is overdue which will probably have some performance advantage over using DateTime perl module
13:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12729 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Overdue items won't show as overdue in red in circulation
13:26 oleonard Nope. Several email addresses and lots of "bad #" and "no phone"
13:27 druthb I always found, with Koha data, that I had to spend a lot more time on city/state normalizations.  The city would read "Houston, TX", and state would be "77063".
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13:28 druthb Then there was that time where I found no less than ten variant spellings of "Tennessee" in a bundle of patron data for a small college.  One, which made me giggle, was "10ac"
13:30 oleonard Yeah we recently did a big city-state-zip normalization cleanup
13:31 oleonard I'm still struggling to get the staff to use the dropdown of predefined city/state/zips when adding patrons
13:31 oleonard ...for some reason
13:33 oleonard Imagine the havoc we could wreak if we let the batch patron modification tool accept arbitrary regex replacement patterns!
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14:59 oleonard Bug 12873
14:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12873 trivial, P3, ---, rkopaczka, Needs Signoff , Reserve can be cancelled by any logged in user
14:59 oleonard Yuck.
15:00 oleonard That's one way to get to the top of the holds queue I guess
15:01 reiveune bye
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15:05 Joubu oleonard: outch, bad. Is it a critical one?
15:06 oleonard It's marked as trivial!
15:06 Joubu oleonard: Yes, I have seen, but it looks critical, don't you think?
15:06 oleonard Yes
15:09 Joubu Hum, maybe not as much critical as I think. The code seems to be like that for a long time...
15:21 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "jcamins: new syntax for facets on biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml (sample is for UNIMARC)" (54 lines) at
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15:51 Joubu good bye!
15:54 chris_n  <= for all you bibliophiles
16:04 ashimema anyone ever used any javascript chart library?
16:04 ashimema there's so many
16:04 jcamins ashimema: some, yeah.
16:05 jcamins Which are you interested in?
16:06 ashimema I've not really rounded it down much yet tbh..
16:06 ashimema so far looking at flot, chartjs and highcharts..
16:06 Joubu ashimema: I used d3js for hea (
16:07 jcamins first question?
16:07 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
16:08 ashimema wantede to prototype adding charts to some of the koha reports
16:08 ashimema so basic pie and bar graphs derived from the data retunred from a report
16:08 ashimema for instance the 'Circulation stats' report
16:09 Joubu ashimema: I found nvd3 (based on d3js), it looks very easy to use
16:09 Joubu but I suspect a looot of js
16:10 Joubu
16:10 Joubu the generated graphes are pretty nice and the code is very small
16:10 Joubu (I didn't try!)
16:11 jcamins nvd3 seems nice.
16:11 jcamins I used it some.
16:11 jcamins I mostly use d3, which you don't need.
16:11 jcamins I think highcharts has a problematic license.
16:12 ashimema was about to delve into license as a first run of reduing it ;)
16:14 ashimema yup.. highcharts is out.. strange license.
16:14 ashimema thanks
16:15 ashimema pretty sure flot is ok..
16:15 ashimema though it's not any official gpl i recognise..
16:15 ashimema looks like his own license
16:16 jcamins You certainly don't need dc.js, which is what I'm using these days.
16:17 ashimema Yeah.. I'm wanting somthing rather light and simple really.
16:17 ashimema Chartjs is looking like a goer so far..
16:17 ashimema MIT is compatible license with us is it not?
16:18 jcamins Yeah.
16:18 ashimema :)
16:21 jcamins I guess the benefit of nvd3 over chartjs is that if you decide you want to do something insane, you can because it's d3 under the hood.
16:25 ashimema true..
16:25 ashimema but then getting a large js library in is harder than a smaller one ;)
16:25 ashimema in the first place that is.
16:26 jcamins How so?
16:27 ashimema just a general observation..
16:27 ashimema mostly plucked from the sky ;)
16:28 chris_n ashimema: I use highcharts all of the time; very slick, easy to use, etc. d3js is nice too, but more work depending on what you want to do
16:29 chris_n re: licensing is definitely not oss friendly
16:29 jcamins chris_n: unless you're doing something really insane, in which case d3 will probably be easier in the end.
16:29 * chris_n often hears the word insanity in the same sentence as his name
16:30 ashimema thanks for the thoughts guys.. it's certainly helped
16:30 jcamins <-- in that boat
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18:29 wnickc @wunder 05059
18:29 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in West Hartford, West Hartford, Vermont is 24.1°C (2:23 PM EDT on September 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
18:56 jmsasse wnickc: Hello.
18:57 wnickc Hi jmsasse
18:58 jmsasse wnickc: did you get an email for bug #12793?
18:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Breaking up IndependentBranches syspref to support finer staff permissions granularity
18:59 wnickc I did
18:59 wnickc next week I have a meeting with our implementation team and will bring it up
18:59 jmsasse Kyle is working on this in a different direction.
19:00 jmsasse wnickc: he is approaching it from the individual patrons permissions
19:00 jmsasse wnickc: rather than a global syspref.
19:03 wnickc jmsasse:  I ike that idea, I had wondered if that was viable
19:04 jmsasse wnickc:probably more so than the syspref.
19:05 ashimema Interseting..
19:05 wnickc khall++
19:05 ashimema I hadn't spotted bug 12793 before..
19:05 wnickc hi ashimema
19:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Breaking up IndependentBranches syspref to support finer staff permissions granularity
19:06 ashimema it's been somthing I've wanted to work on for a long while..
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19:07 ashimema I've added it to the dev meeting topic..
19:07 ashimema there's already one on the agenda to discuss where we should go with independant branches.
19:07 ashimema also see bug 10904
19:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10904 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , would like to limit patron update request management by branch
19:09 jmsasse ashimema: Hello. #12793 potentially may be a paid enhancement.
19:09 ashimema that would be fantastic :)
19:09 cait bug 12793
19:10 ashimema I'd love to see it go ahead.. that area of koha has needed tidying for ages.
19:10 ashimema did huggin just barf
19:10 cait i think he doesn't like repeats
19:10 wnickc maybe also bug 11625
19:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Default to logged in library for circ rules and notices & slips
19:10 jcamins cait: if he's told you once, he's told you a thousand times? :)
19:10 jcamins Again.
19:10 ashimema there's a whole host of related features
19:11 cait ashimema: thereis also a library group dev that is interesting
19:11 ashimema would be good to build a bug omnibus up for it in a more structured way than currently
19:11 wnickc cait:is there a bug for that?
19:12 cait i think mutiple
19:12 wnickc hah
19:12 cait bug 10502
19:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10502 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, BLOCKED , Add independent branches option for sql reports
19:12 cait i think th emain one is bug 10276
19:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10276 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Extend IndependentBranches to support groups of libraries
19:13 jmsasse cait: Hi:-) Yep, that's the one.
19:15 wnickc Ah, interesting, not quite what we dream about, but nice
19:15 jmsasse All of these bugs are important for us consortia.
19:15 ashimema haha.. I just learnt how to diff buffers in vim..
19:15 ashimema awesome
19:16 cait the difficult thing is to have it all fit well together i guess
19:16 cait into one big picture
19:16 ashimema worth getting all those developments together and working out hwo they fit in the overall picture.
19:16 cait as kyle appears a lot on those
19:16 cait hopefully he has a bigger picture :)
19:17 jmsasse Yes, he does.
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19:57 * rangi whistles innocently
19:59 cait morning rangi
19:59 cait what did oyu do? :)
19:59 rangi check the mailing list
19:59 cait v.?
19:59 wnickc 9780804178747
20:00 wnickc oops
20:00 rangi cait:[…]ember/040675.html
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20:57 wizzyrea rangi++
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21:45 tcohen hi
21:46 tcohen heh, you were polite rangi
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22:22 rangi tcohen: did you see i got excited i thought i could see a rugby game in argentina, then i realised it was when i would be in the airport in sanitago
22:24 tcohen hm
22:24 tcohen that's a pity
22:25 bag any football matches going on?
22:25 bag I'd love to go to one
22:27 rangi not this kind eh
22:27 rangi
22:27 bag no not that kind :P
22:28 rangi
22:28 bag I'm actually going to a monday night american football game with JesseM, Mario, NateC and tgoat
22:28 rangi cool
22:32 bag ah bummer I won't be there the 5th
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22:46 tcohen YAY! it works!
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22:46 rangi ?
22:46 * tcohen is really excited
22:47 tcohen i've learnt XSLT :-D
22:47 rangi cool :)
22:47 tcohen and the facets patches are ready :-D
22:47 tcohen both the same day heh
22:47 rangi sweet!
22:47 rangi very cool
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23:30 dcook Nice one, tcohen!
23:31 dcook I really disliked XSL at first, but I'm actually a bit fond of it now..
23:43 dcook Holy... where is magnuse when you need him?
23:43 dcook I had no idea that Sydney had nearly the same population as the whole of Norway...
23:54 dcook Also just realized that having a maxlength field in marc_subfield_structure makes 0 sense
23:54 dcook As the 9999 size restriction is actually for the field not the subfield...

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