Time Nick Message 00:23 tcohen cr*py router + ultrabook wifi board = problems 00:43 dcook @seen khall 00:43 huginn dcook: khall was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 57 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <khall> if you want to write it, I'll so it! I think the code is much fresher in your mind right now than mine ; ) 03:49 indradg morning #koha 03:49 * indradg waves 06:28 reiveune hello 06:28 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:35 mveron Good worldtime #koha 06:36 mveron @wunder Basel 06:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Attenschwiller, Sundgau, Attenschwiller, Switzerland is 15.2°C (8:35 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 06:36 mveron @wunder Allschwil 06:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 16.7°C (8:36 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 06:37 indradg @wunder Kolkata 06:37 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 32.0°C (11:50 AM IST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 06:47 cait hi #koha 06:49 mveron hi cait :-) 06:49 cait hi mveron :) 06:50 * magnuse waves 06:50 cait guten morgen magnuse :) 06:50 mveron hi magnuse :-) 06:51 magnuse hiya cait and mveron 06:53 indradg hi cait, magnuse mveron 06:53 mveron hi indradg :-) 07:14 magnuse hiya indradg and viktorsarge_ 07:18 viktorsarge_ Hi :) 07:23 cait hi indradg and viktorsarge_ 07:25 Joubu hello #koha 07:29 magnuse bonjour Joubu 07:29 magnuse @wunder boo 07:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 05, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:30 ashimema Morning #koha 07:31 dcook magnuse: I had no idea there were only about 5 million people in Norway! 07:31 dcook hi by the way :) 07:31 dcook Sydney, as a city, has about 4.5 million :S 07:32 dcook Well, not as a city. As a muncipal area. 07:32 dcook metropolitan area. Whatever. 07:36 magnuse yeah, we're small and cute ;-) 07:57 ashimema small and cute might not be the operative words there magnuse ;) 07:57 cait lol 07:59 ashimema morning cait 07:59 ashimema certainly friendly though magnuse.. ;) 08:01 dcook Friendly and giant! 08:01 dcook Ok, I should go home. When did it become 6? 08:03 ashimema lol 08:03 ashimema interesting comments you've made on the anywhere index bug dcook. 08:04 cait have a nice weekend dcook 08:05 dcook thanks, cait. You too :) 08:05 dcook ashimema: I vaguely recall them :D 08:05 dcook I remember the thing about the semantics 08:05 dcook And the xsltproc param thang 08:06 dcook I've used LibXML to pass in params when processing XSLTs in Perl before. It works a treat. 08:06 dcook Limit of 32 params, but... I don't know why a person would need so many 08:06 ashimema lol 08:08 dcook I do like the idea of an anywhere index though 08:08 dcook I think it's much more what people think of as a traditional "keyword" index 08:08 dcook Well, maybe not "traditional" 08:08 dcook But keyword at least 08:08 dcook Of course you could get lots of crap in there too.. 08:10 ashimema I felt the 'Any' index was a better keyword index than the 'Anywhere' one.. 08:10 dcook Agreed 08:10 ashimema already filtered down to a 'sensible' set of fields.. 08:10 dcook For sure 08:10 ashimema Anywhere is just too cumbersome. 08:10 dcook Didn't you write the DOM patch? :p 08:10 ashimema I did indeed.. 08:11 ashimema all I did though was run mathieu's patches through the grs1 to dom mill.. 08:11 dcook Mmm 08:11 ashimema I didn't change any of the indexes he'd chosen to go inot the any. 08:11 ashimema I know it works, as a fiar chunk of our customers are using that patch ;) 08:11 ashimema all our customers have been DOM for ages.. 08:12 dcook I'm sure it does work, but perhaps not according to the Bib-1 semantic spec, yes? 08:12 dcook DOM is pretty awesome 08:12 dcook I guess we've had a fair number of people on it for some time now too 08:12 ashimema so I made it my mission some time back to try and 'domify' any patches that came in without dom counterparts ;) 08:12 dcook Mmm 08:12 ashimema i never read the bit-1 spec ;) 08:12 dcook Your domming efforts are appreciated :) 08:12 ashimema It noticibly improved search.. so I used it ;) 08:13 dcook At this point, I'm still looking at query building :) 08:13 dcook Well, by still looking I mean I've had zero time to look at it lately 08:13 dcook While I love having new clients, it makes it tougher to do community stuff :/ 08:13 magnuse ashimema: i meant as a country, not as individuals ;-) 08:14 dcook I don't think I actually know any Norwegians besides magnuse 08:14 dcook I think I have about 1/8 Norwegian ancestry so I guess I know the descendants of Norwegians :p 08:14 ashimema I wouldn't say the country is especially cute either magnuse.. mountainous, cold, wet.. ;) 08:14 magnuse hm, sounds like we need to have a kohacon here :-) 08:14 ashimema hehe 08:14 dcook :D 08:14 ashimema I missed one.. beautiful.. 08:15 ashimema I hear it's very beautiful too 08:15 ashimema I've been wanting to visit norway for years.. 08:15 * magnuse would say so 08:15 * dcook needs to find a(n affordable) way to get to Norway 08:15 dcook I almost went to Iceland to study Old Icelandic/Norse literature 08:15 ashimema i's not just getting there.. it's really expensive to stay ther too dcook 08:15 dcook But alas... moved to a different prairie city instead. Silly, dcook. 08:15 dcook ashimema: Yeah, magnuse has shared some prices... yikes. 08:16 magnuse yeah, we are kind of expensive 08:16 ashimema yup.. 08:16 ashimema I need to get my fitness back up before heading out.. 08:16 ashimema I'd want to kayak a few crazy rivers if I was over there ;) 08:16 magnuse but it's not maye quite as expensive as some people make it out to be: http://www.garfors.com/2013/06/the-most-expensive-city-in-world.html 08:16 ashimema but i've lost the stamina for that at the moment. 08:17 dcook Ah, that's the one that you showed me before, magnuse, I think 08:17 magnuse yeah, i try to show it to people as often as i can 08:17 * ashimema goe sto read it 08:18 dcook Hmm, some of those prices aren't dissimilar to here 08:18 ashimema dcook.. did you look at bug 9352 at all? 08:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9352 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Needs Signoff , Zebra indexes useless subfields in UNIMARC 7XX 08:18 dcook Are those US dollars? 08:18 dcook ashimema: Not even a little bit 08:18 dcook Well, I followed the link. 08:18 dcook But I don't deal in UNIMARC 08:19 ashimema you sounded knolledgable about xsl.. 08:19 dcook I think I have a bookmark somewhere to an IFLA site which sort of shows the UNIMARC "standard" 08:19 ashimema wondered if you could cast your eye over patch 3 08:19 dcook I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable about XSL these days :) 08:19 * dcook is the worst husband right now 08:20 ashimema it's more the changes to koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl i'm really interseted in someone looking at 08:21 ashimema indexing a group of subfields as a phrase sounds like genius to me ;) 08:21 ashimema which reminds me.. 08:22 dcook Hmm 08:22 ashimema anyone know if there's any clear documentation for the format of *-koha-indexdefs.xml knocking around.. 08:22 ashimema it's pretty self explanitory when you read it.. 08:23 dcook biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl looks ok 08:23 ashimema but for 'new' features of it like this groups declarative I think some docs would be very suefull 08:23 dcook I think koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xs is a bit funky in general of course 08:23 ashimema indeed.. 08:23 ashimema it's darn clever really.. taking a relatively straight forward xml format to a pretty hard to digest xsl 08:24 ashimema tcohen helped me finally get my head around that yesterday 08:24 dcook <xslo:value-of select="substring(' ', 1, 1)"/> is weird 08:24 dcook I would think <xslo:text> </xslo:text> would probably work instead 08:25 dcook Hmm, would have to poke around more 08:26 dcook I was thinking a bit about phrase registers vs word registers today... 08:26 dcook Ah, and I think I just remembered how they work 08:26 ashimema cool.. i'de be interested to hear your thoughts.. 08:27 ashimema but maybe another time.. sounds like you need to go see th wife ;) 08:27 * ashimema just read up ;) 08:28 dcook She's stopping at the pub. Maybe I'll take 5 more minutes.. 08:29 dcook Not sure that I see the utility of index_group_of_subfields 08:29 dcook Oh I see... 08:30 dcook It's not all subfields. Just the ones that you want. 08:30 ashimema takes a moment to get your head aroud.. 08:30 ashimema but i 'think' it makes sense to me.. 08:30 ashimema it's more whether the xsl is correct that i'm not able to do yet ;) 08:30 cait i wonder if we haven't something similar for subjects yet 08:30 cait with the work jared did on tracings? 08:30 dcook Mmm because koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl looks so funky? 08:31 cait i think the idea there is similar, you want to have the $a and $x and whatever in one phrase so can search exactly 08:31 dcook Mmm 08:31 dcook That does sound the same 08:34 dcook ashimema: Yeah, I think it looks all right 08:34 ashimema fantastic.. 08:34 dcook Don't know for sure without backtracking some of the inputs and such but overall I don't see anything too bad standing out 08:34 dcook I'd suggest re-running xsltproc and then taking a look at the indexes in Zebra via yaz-client 08:34 dcook And on that note, I should run :) 08:35 dcook Ciao 08:39 viktorsarge_ Hi cait - sorry for slow response. On 2G line here trying to solve a little server mishap. 08:44 magnuse viktorsarge_: not my server, i hope? 08:49 viktorsarge_ No magnuse Your server have been behaving very well for over a year now :) 08:50 viktorsarge_ The only time we've had problems with the server magnuse is running for us was when we were flooded with traffic and it had to be filtered in the firewall. 08:52 * magnuse breathes a sigh of relief 08:52 cait :) 09:55 Joubu cait: I am not sure to understand the difference between the "in-house use" and "reading room" terms (cf bug 10860). 09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use 10:01 cait hm maybe we shoudl ask a native speaker 10:02 cait i think in-house use is without a checkout maybe 10:02 cait and anonymous as it is in koha now - you scan things that people have put on the tables to see what was used 10:03 cait hm what david said in comment 26 10:03 cait what he described in the second part would be a reading room use here... lesesaalnutzung 10:04 cait where the book is linked to a patron, but for some reason you are not allowed to take it out of the building, for example because it's a rare book 10:04 cait I think my thought was that maybe we should use differnt terms if it means different thigns/approaces 10:05 cait probably good to ask an english speaking academic library person :) 10:06 Joubu cait: erk ok thanks. I don't smell good at all... 10:06 Joubu ... 10:06 Joubu It does not!* 10:06 Joubu :p 10:07 cait heh :) 10:07 cait i have to leave early today - will be back next week - maybe jcamins or gmcharlt could be helpful here 10:07 Joubu in France we call that "consultation/reading on site" 10:08 Joubu ok thanks, I will ask them 10:08 cait i think maybe a similar concept to what we have here 10:08 cait it happens in ILL to - the other library sends the book, but says it can only be used in the readng room/under supervision 10:09 Joubu these patches are started to be really hard to rebase... 10:09 cait i am sorry i am not much help right now :( 10:09 cait i hope it will be better again after 26th 10:09 Joubu yes, so reading room is maybe more meaningful here 10:09 cait and looking forward to argentina and doing lots there 10:18 cait have a nice weekend all 10:46 * magnuse wishes he was looking forward to argentina... 10:55 bgkriegel morning 10:55 ashimema afternoon ;) 11:02 indradg good $TZ_SPECIFIC_GREETINGS bgkriegel, ashimema :) 11:02 ashimema ;) 11:06 bgkriegel :) 13:31 oleonard Font rendering in Chrome is ... off... today. 14:00 ashimema ? 14:00 Joubu oleonard, gmcharlt, jcamins, ashimema: Could one of you (native speaker:)) tell me if the "In house use" term is correct for bug 10860. 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use 14:01 Joubu The feature allows to check an item out to a patron but the patron is not allowed to go out with it. 14:01 Joubu (and the item has to be returned at the end of the day) 14:01 ashimema I see.. 14:01 ashimema hmm.. let me have a think.. 14:02 Joubu in France we call that "consultation/reading on site" 14:02 ashimema doesn't sound especially celar to me.. but equially i can't think of anything better at the minute ;) 14:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6149: (qa followup) sysprefs should be alphabetically sorted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e69d6dabc475dfa747d15576f6396e77a7d71c42> / Bug 6149: DBRev 3.17.00.019 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a36f70e35afc3dcdba34678c3b18d960606aa16> / Bug 6149 - Follow-up [syspref] - Stopwords for Result Highlighting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git 14:46 matts ashimema, I've successfully tested the last shib patches, I'm signing them off. 14:54 matts it's a strange strange experience to use Vim in german... :) 14:59 ashimema lol 14:59 ashimema I had that issue on caits server too 15:00 ashimema awesome.. thanks matts.. your a star 15:01 ashimema I'm struggling to find a customer to test your inventory patch i'm afraid.. we've not used it here so I'm not really in a good position to test it :( 15:01 ashimema Happy to take a look at anything else though.. I deffo owe you one for the shib testing ;) 15:04 reiveune bye 15:09 matts Hmm too bad ! But I'll find something else for you to test, don't worry :) 15:11 matts Okay, let's enjoy the week-end now ! 15:11 matts Bye ! 15:11 tcohen yay shibb! 15:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12582: DBRev 3.17.00.021 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=abdf7194e2a9bc5e2c497e3d4d241c2e8de40ffc> / Bug 12582 - Control of branch displayed in search results linked to HomeOrHoldingBranch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8458630a7aa5209701f224f0d159b604af350f7> / Bug 12330: [QA Follow-up] Consistency between opac-search and staff client <http://git.koha- 15:44 Joubu have a good w-e #koha! 15:45 oleonard You too Joubu! 15:49 tcohen enjoy Joubu ! 16:20 * cait waves 16:46 cait everyone has started their weekend already? :) 16:48 oleonard Friday is always quiet around here 16:48 gmcharlt BOOM 16:48 * oleonard has a couple more hours of work-week left :) 16:48 gmcharlt (that loud enough for you?) 16:49 cait :) 16:49 cait much better! 16:49 cait [off] guess who gets a new kitchen? :D 16:49 gmcharlt [off] a certain QAM? :) 16:54 cait [off] yep :) kitchen shopping is fun :) 16:54 cait [off] and finally can bake again! 16:56 Mahdi hi - i had a question about having alternative names (or spellings) in the authority 400 field 16:57 Mahdi it works great if you are searching for authorities, but when searching for the library record directly is it possible for koha to allow the different names 16:57 Mahdi it doesn't seem to work 16:58 Mahdi e.g. i am searching for all books by author X, but in the catalog search i enter X's nickname which in his authority record is present in the 400 field 16:58 cait there is a preference that will make that work 16:58 cait but you need to reindex completely 16:58 Mahdi ok 16:58 cait and as there is a small bug, i'd wait for 3.16.4 to do that 16:59 Mahdi when is that reelase expected 16:59 cait around end of this month 16:59 Mahdi OK i can wait for that 16:59 Mahdi which preference is it 16:59 cait IncludeSeeFromInSearches 16:59 wahanui rumour has it IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore 17:00 cait had to look it up :) 17:00 cait the bug is, sec 17:00 cait bug 12788 17:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records 17:00 Mahdi thanks! 17:00 cait the 400s show up in the facets, which they shouldn't 17:00 cait should just be searchable :) 17:23 tcohen hi cait 17:23 cait hi tomas 17:23 cait i am looking for some fun tonight 17:23 cait do you want to pick a not too evil bug? :) 17:24 tcohen ok? 17:25 tcohen cait: would you consider reviewing 12788? it has two signoffs 17:25 cait bug 12788 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records 17:26 cait sure! 17:26 tcohen gmcharlt: have a minute? 18:01 indradg weekend starts tomorrow :) 18:30 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "jcamins: this is what i'm using" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194 18:31 indradg cait: does bug 11298 impact only the master? 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11298 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Renewal due date won't take specified time into account 18:32 cait hm i am not sure, but i probably ran into it on an older version first 18:32 indradg ok 18:33 cait and it quite certainly predates the ajax patches 18:33 indradg i couldnt reproduce it on 3.14.09 18:33 cait but this part didn't change i think 18:33 cait hm maybe a 3.16 18:33 indradg possible will check 18:33 cait thank you 18:34 indradg i was looking at renewal datetimes because of this lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-September/040677.html 18:34 cait tcohen: you passed qa :) 18:34 tcohen awesome cait 18:34 cait looking really good 18:34 indradg strangely, in my 3.14.09 instance I can't reproduce the error that he says impacts his 3.14.08 18:35 druthb tcohen is quality! Definitely he would pass qa. 18:35 cait hm i think 2 different hings 18:35 cait the time a reneal was done and the time a renwal was renewed to 18:35 cait if that makes any sense 18:37 cait tcohen: something else? 18:37 tcohen have a nice weekend :-D 18:37 cait heh 18:37 cait ok 18:42 indradg cait: time a renewal is done - lastreneweddate, where as date_due gets the new renewed to datetime... and I find that to be working correctly in 3.14.09. 18:43 cait :) 18:43 indradg can't see any bugfix on that in 3.14.09 relnotes... so no clue 18:44 cait hm i don't remember a bug there right now :( 18:56 bag afternoon y'all 18:56 bag magnuse: HI 18:56 wahanui privet, bag 18:57 cait hi bag 18:57 bag cait: HI 18:57 bag how you doing today? School going well? 18:58 cait hm some things yes, others ont 18:58 cait but i hope it's oging to work out 18:59 cait how are you doing? plans for argentina made? 19:01 bag yup got tickets and got my hotel for argentina 19:01 bag I'm going to smoke some ribs this weekend so I can start getting inshape for the asado (tcohen) :) 19:01 tcohen :-D 19:02 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "jcamins: latest" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195 19:02 bag I arrive buttcrack earlier in the morning on the 7th (12:37am) and I'm there until the 13th 19:02 cait cool :) 19:03 cait you should put that on the wiki :) 19:03 tcohen :D 19:03 bag it will be up there at some point cait 19:03 cait :) 19:03 * cait is looking forward to the asado too 19:03 bag cait++ 19:39 tcohen bye #koha 19:40 tcohen nice weekend 19:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12788: (followup) minor optimization with proper tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ead0d88c74bd0efba2d2ca0123c51ff2b6cf25fc> / Bug 12788: facets calculation should skip 100 if ind1=z <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eefef42abda81e84e42d4a3951684092045886fa> / Bub 12788: (regression test) refactor facet extraction code to allow testing <http://git.koha- 20:00 bag reports library? 20:00 wahanui somebody said reports library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 20:12 Mahdi hi - when adding a marc record, why is it some of the fields don't show up 20:12 Mahdi some of the tags i mean, that are defined on the framework 20:17 bag if you click on the big heading do they "then" appear 20:17 Mahdi what's the big heading? 20:17 Mahdi e.g in the 9s tab 20:18 Mahdi i only see 942 20:18 Mahdi where's 952 20:18 wahanui rumour has it 952 is the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29