IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-31

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00:04 eythian next Debian freeze date is the 5th of November. I'm hoping to get any Koha dependencies in by then, but if there's something that's currently overlooked in the packages, it's time to either let me know or join the Debian Perl team and do it yourself :)
00:05 rangi eythian: we should try to get the catmandu stuff in
00:05 rangi in preparation at least
00:05 eythian yeah
00:05 eythian I made a start on that, need to do a bit more.
00:06 eythian Maybe that can be a a quiet friday task or something.
00:06 rangi yeah good idea
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00:13 bag oh get in that one dependencie that makes me espresso in the morning
00:13 bag I could use that one
00:14 bag and the one that makes a nice roast beef sandwich for lunchies :D
00:14 eythian it's probably in unstable already
00:14 eythian[…]usiness-issn-perl <-- I wonder if anything other than Koha uses this...
00:14 bag probably not
00:14 rangi maybe evergreen
00:15 eythian hmm possibly yeah
00:15 bag oh rangi you see the new hobbit trailer?
00:15 rangi not yet
00:16 rangi however im not sure evergreen has a package install yet, id suspect most of those 500ish are koha
00:17 rangi popcon is yet another good reason to get koha proper into debian :)
00:17 rangi we are pretty much set on the copyright headers now
00:18 rangi basically need to learn debconf and get it to the point where an install can result in a working koha (or at least one where you can do the web based install to finish off)
00:18 eythian yeah
00:18 eythian I've got plans for that.
00:18 rangi sweet
00:19 dcook :D
00:19 rangi unlikely we can get it done by november tho eh?
00:19 eythian I'd expect so, unless all our work dries up but everyone keeps paying us :)
00:19 rangi heh
00:19 * dcook is curious about the motivation for getting Koha into Debian
00:19 * dcook also lols
00:20 rangi 1/ it then comes under scrutiny of the debian security team
00:20 rangi 2/ it will flow through into ubuntu
00:21 eythian n/ it'll be forced to match Debian policy better
00:21 rangi 3/ it will force us to be more careful about dependencies we add
00:21 rangi and yep that
00:21 wahanui i guess yep that is what I see when I go into circ rules.
00:21 eythian n+1/ it'll be a whole lot easier to install with absolutely no hoops for the distro version.
00:21 rangi *nod*
00:21 rangi click click and down (in ubuntu land)
00:21 rangi down=done
00:22 dcook Sounds good to me :)
00:23 eythian I'd also like to get the koha package beat into shape, I just don't quite know how to do it.
00:23 bag I don't know - having it be impossible to install still sounds like the way to go
00:23 bag bag--
00:23 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
00:23 bag heh
00:23 eythian heh
00:23 rangi one company tried that already
00:23 bag boo to that company
00:23 rangi now they arent even listed in the dropdown of major vendors
00:24 bag boo to a drop down
00:24 dcook I was thinking a bit about that
00:25 dcook In terms of business, I imagine it would actually be in the best interest of businesses to make it easier to install Koha
00:25 bag totally :)
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00:26 bag plus in the interest of helping those that really need this :)
00:26 bag easy to install - easier to update
00:26 dcook Totes
00:27 rangi *nod*
00:27 dcook I helped some friends in Canada install Koha for a small library of theirs
00:27 bag cool
00:27 dcook It was fairly easy, but it would've been nicer to have the install go a bit smoother
00:27 rangi i did 8 installs in 37 minutes last friday
00:27 rangi using the packages
00:27 wahanui using the packages is better anyway
00:27 bag so has anyone else offerred up to host kohacon15?
00:27 dcook Nice one, rangi!
00:27 rangi most of it was teh webinstaller
00:27 dcook rangi: Yeah, the first thing I said was "use the packages"
00:27 dcook They didn't use the packages.
00:27 dcook I told them to start over and use the packages.
00:27 rangi theres a bug i want someone to sign off on
00:27 rangi that will make that faster
00:28 dcook They started over and used the packages, and said they should've listened from the start ;)
00:28 dcook rangi: Oh? Which is that?
00:28 bag dcook++
00:28 rangi bug 12658
00:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12658 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Needs Signoff , Select all options on installer screen
00:28 rangi right, curry time
00:30 dcook Mmm curry
00:30 dcook bag: Uh oh. Now I should do something to deserve that :p
00:31 bag you did - you helped install koha :)
00:31 bag dcook++
00:33 dcook Ah, well. They seem to be enjoying it :)
00:33 dcook Totally volunteer run as well :D
00:34 dcook Well, the library at least
00:34 dcook Actually, I was thinking of using my current install at home to keep track of books I borrow from friends :p
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00:48 dcook It's a bit scary when you start to recognize version specific bugs in IE...and remember how to fix them
00:48 * dcook shudders
01:03 eythian wizzyrea has IE problems. She should tell dcook about them.
01:03 dcook I got 99 problems, and they're all with IE>
01:03 dcook I got 99 problems, and they're all with IE.
01:03 dcook I thought wizzyrea had resolved the IE problems she was having though?
01:07 eythian There's always more IE problems.
01:07 dcook Purdy much
01:10 dcook I must say though...loving Bootstrap
01:10 dcook It really does make this a million times easier
01:11 dcook That said...I haven't been asked to replicate the style of a horrible webpage yet, so... fingers crossed
01:11 * dcook may have just provoked Murphy to get on enforcing his law now though...
01:32 wizzyrea do I?
01:32 wizzyrea no I have Safari on iPad problems.
01:33 eythian wizzyrea: slow cataloguing thingamie
01:33 wizzyrea kind of but not really the same thing.
01:33 wizzyrea oh. well that too :(
01:33 wizzyrea oh you mean not just *today*
01:33 wizzyrea :P
01:36 wizzyrea but yeah, dcook: ie 11, slow cataloguing saves -- have you seen that?
01:36 wizzyrea server responds quickly, IE takes ages to render it
01:37 dcook Hmm
01:37 dcook Which version of Koha?
01:37 wahanui Which version of Koha are you using?
01:38 wizzyrea this'll be.... 3.12 I think but let me check
01:38 dcook Oh cataloguing. I thought you were saying circulation.
01:38 wizzyrea yeah 3.12.10
01:38 dcook that I've noticed but it wouldn't surprise me.
01:38 dcook now = not*
01:38 wizzyrea I can tell you it's all true1
01:38 wizzyrea !
01:38 dcook hehe
01:38 dcook I believe you!
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03:19 rangi Now a days most of the queries are regarding installation of Koha, DSpace
03:19 rangi and CMS in the same server.
03:19 rangi they have a different understanding of most
03:19 rangi than i do
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03:48 wizzyrea must be a thing where he/she's from
03:48 wizzyrea joomla!
03:48 wizzyrea shudder.
03:50 bag my guess is he
03:50 bag hola wizzyrea
03:50 bag how's trea?
03:54 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
03:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (1:30 PM EST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
03:54 dcook 25...I believe it. It's rather warm out there...
03:54 eythian @wunder timaru, nz
03:54 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:54 eythian @wunder timaru, new zealand
03:54 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:55 eythian well, I suppose that's to be expected from timaru
03:55 eythian @wunder nzwn
03:55 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (3:30 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
03:55 rangi @wunder nztu
03:55 huginn rangi: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:55 dcook @wunder regina,sk
03:55 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
03:55 dcook @wunder regina, canada
03:55 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
03:55 dcook @wunder yqr
03:55 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is 22.0°C (9:00 PM CST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
03:56 rangi @wunder nzou
03:56 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Pembroke Oamaru, Oamaru, New Zealand is 21.0°C (3:56 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: . Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
03:56 rangi close enough :)
03:56 eythian also ridiculously warm
03:56 dcook Ooo, that sounds nice too
03:56 dcook Whereabouts is that?
03:56 bag @wunder 93102
03:56 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside (Gillespie), Santa Barbara, California is 20.0°C (8:56 PM PDT on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
03:56 eythian for the lower part of the south island
03:56 rangi in the middle of winter
03:56 dcook bag: I seem to recall you saying it was 21 most of the year?
03:57 eythian dcook: nowhere that should be that warm
03:57 dcook eythian: Wow...that'
03:57 bag dcook: usually
03:57 eythian @wunder dunedin, new zealand
03:57 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:57 eythian @wunder nzdn
03:57 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:57 eythian ...
03:57 dcook O_o
03:58 eythian anyway, I used to live near there. This time of year, I'd expect 0°-5°, maybe hitting 10° on a nice day.
03:58 rangi @wunder nznv
03:58 huginn rangi: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:58 dcook huginn doesn't like nz today?
03:58 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:58 bag dcook: it's usually ridiculously pleasant here
03:58 dcook hehe
03:58 rangi @wunder nzrc
03:58 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
03:58 eythian dcook: on the other hand, here in wellington we're expecting 100kph winds this evening
03:58 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
03:58 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 19.5°C (10:58 PM CDT on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
03:58 dcook eythian: I think I know someone who spent a lot of time in Dunedin. North Island?
03:58 eythian south
03:59 eythian quite far south
03:59 rangi @wunder bluff nz
03:59 wizzyrea 19 is cool for kansas this time of year
03:59 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Suburban City, Invercargill, New Zealand is 14.6°C (3:59 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
03:59 rangi thats pretty close to as far south as you can go
03:59 wizzyrea 14!
03:59 dcook That makes sense
03:59 bag yeah but it's 11pm in kansas
03:59 wizzyrea but, it's July
03:59 wizzyrea it's usually closer to 30
03:59 bag at night?
03:59 dcook At 11pm?
03:59 bag ouch
03:59 wizzyrea can be in july
03:59 dcook Dang
03:59 dcook Good ol' midwest
04:00 bag hey wizzyrea how's trea doing?
04:00 wizzyrea sick atm
04:00 bag tell I said - happy birthday
04:00 wizzyrea :(
04:00 * dcook does remember quite a few rather warm nights in the prairies
04:00 bag oh bummer
04:00 wizzyrea lol.
04:00 * dcook swears trea is always sick
04:00 * dcook is also sick atm though
04:00 wizzyrea hm.
04:00 bag oh bummer
04:00 bag get better dcook
04:00 wizzyrea he does get sick a few times a winter for sure.
04:00 dcook Thanks, bag :)
04:00 dcook get better, trea, where ever you are..
04:01 dcook wherever*
04:01 dcook English is weird..
04:01 wizzyrea he better be at home in bed.
04:01 wizzyrea that's where I left him anyway ^.^
04:01 dcook Poor fellow..
04:01 * dcook actually went to the doctor for the first time ever in Australia on Sunday
04:02 dcook Weird paying to see the doctor...
04:02 * dcook has never associated doctor and credit card together in his life...
04:02 wizzyrea was it expensive?
04:02 wizzyrea it's ~20 for spud, ~40 for grownfolk at our GP
04:02 eythian dcook: do you not have medicaid?
04:03 dcook In that case, yes
04:03 dcook eythian: Nope. I'm a foreigner.
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04:03 dcook twas 85
04:03 dcook But...I do have private insurance, so I should get it refunded once I fill out a claim
04:03 eythian ah right
04:03 dcook But of course I already pay more than 85 a month... so... yeah...
04:03 wizzyrea at our doctor in the states, if we hadn't had insurance
04:03 rangi hey Francesca  <--- the top menu is looking a little crazy
04:03 wizzyrea it would have been ~240 for a doctor visit.
04:03 dcook wizzyrea: Ouch...
04:03 dcook Yeah, 85 was for a Sunday consult
04:04 dcook Not really that bad for a random stranger
04:04 wizzyrea hm yeah, out of hours consults are not cheap.
04:04 Francesca ok thats weird I'm pretty sure that was working last time I checked
04:05 rangi (going down instead of across .. at least on firefox anyway)
04:05 bag wizzyrea: trea playing for the Mets[…]12c585578e82c.jpg
04:05 dcook rangi: chrome too
04:06 dcook That sun really is invigorating...
04:07 * dcook can't wait to get better so that he can go outside and play
04:08 wizzyrea lol bag
04:09 bag So trea is usually cheered in our house.  Ginny calls him (lucas duda) - tree...  more tree - hit... more tree - hit
04:10 wizzyrea omg that's awesoem.
04:10 wizzyrea awesome*
04:10 wizzyrea ginny++
04:10 bag yeah he's well loved :)
04:10 Francesca Chris I added a fix for the menu and pushed it
04:10 rangi cool will pull now
04:11 rangi done .. still doenst seem happy for me
04:12 Francesca nah its still not working. I'll try something different
04:19 Francesca ok I committed some more changes. Do you want to see if that will work once you've pulled it?
04:20 rangi will do
04:21 rangi whoops, syntax error
04:21 Francesca sorry I saw that
04:23 Francesca I don't think it likes html5 for some reason
04:24 eythian sounds like IE
04:24 rangi it needs to be DOCTYPE i think
04:25 * dcook is still working on IE
04:25 dcook Oh, IE7. Why don't you like this absolute positioned div?
04:26 dcook Oh, IE7. Why do you require an absolute positioned div as well?
04:26 eythian it's just full of hate
04:26 dcook I figure it's more of a trickster than a hater.
04:26 dcook It takes joy out of this.
04:26 eythian sadistic joy
04:27 dcook Without a doubt
04:27 dcook The same sort of joy I get when I finally get it to do the right thing.
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04:54 ashimema morning all
05:04 dcook heya ashimema
05:04 wahanui hmmm... ashimema is on qa now .)
05:04 ashimema hi dcook
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05:13 * dcook has been staring at IE for so long that he doesn't even remember what he was doing anymore
05:13 dcook hey cait :)
05:14 eythian hi cait
05:14 eythian dcook: it's taking your mind, next it'll take your soul!
05:14 * cait waves
05:16 dcook eythian: In that case, I think it might be time to call it a day with IE
05:16 * dcook is sure that he has other non-IE things in his inbox to work on...
05:17 dcook Ah...just remembered another Dspace thing to work on...
05:17 dcook Don't have to do it in IE though. Muahahaha.
05:17 dcook Yep, definitely got my mind...
05:36 * cait doesn't feel awake yet
05:36 * dcook either
05:37 * dcook thinks it might be 3:30pm here though
05:37 ashimema me neither cait
05:41 ashimema currently working through getting shibboleth to be happy on the staff client.
05:41 ashimema it's marginally less trivial than I thought.
05:41 ashimema currently I'm really struggling to work out at what point Context has 'interface' set.
05:42 ashimema as well as whats the difference between use C4::Context and C4::Context->new
05:43 dcook Well, "use C4::Context" should just load the module and import any exported subs
05:43 dcook Whereas C4::Context->new should make a new object instance
05:43 ashimema hmm.. found a worthless line of code in this module I think.
05:44 ashimema I don't think the object created in this case is ever referenced..
05:44 ashimema yuk
05:44 dcook I seem to recall making Context objects when doing stuff with auth as well..
05:44 dcook Although I'm not sure I had to in retrospect
05:44 ashimema indeed..
05:44 dcook Because if you call a sub like so "C4::Context::SUB()"
05:44 ashimema completely nuking the line leave shibboleth completely intact.
05:44 ashimema that's 'nice'
05:44 dcook It doesn't need to be used an object method and it doesn't need to be exported
05:45 dcook As for the interface question...
05:45 ashimema indeed
05:45 ashimema found that too..
05:45 dcook not sure what you meant by it anyway :)
05:45 ashimema get's set at the top of get_template_and_user
05:45 ashimema there's a
05:45 dcook Ah, I thought that might be what you meant
05:45 dcook "type" and all that
05:46 ashimema indeed.
05:46 dcook Well done! :D
05:46 ashimema So.. I think I can rely on getting type from context which make the staff client patch nice and simple now :)
05:48 dcook Probably reliable :)
06:11 ashimema @later tell pianohacker thanks for the upload, greatly appreciated. One last question on the staff client shib.. do you setup the staff client as a second service provider?
06:11 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
06:13 cait bug 10900?
06:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context
06:15 cait the qa queue looks pretty scary this morning
06:19 cait all time consuming to test
06:27 ashimema yikes
06:27 ashimema sensible patch though..
06:27 ashimema I like consistency
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06:27 marcelr hi #koha
06:27 cait hi mar
06:28 cait hi marcelr :)
06:28 marcelr hi cait :)
06:40 dcook xinclude available even though it would make this process so much easier...
06:40 * dcook grumbles
06:41 ashimema not your day aye dcook
06:41 dcook I suppose the one handy thing about Java is that it's so cumbersome that you don't make any little tweaks in the moment
06:41 dcook Which probably helps with long-term maintainability...
06:41 dcook ashimema: Well, I think I resolved all my IE bugs, so that was good
06:41 dcook Had tons of chocolate...
06:41 dcook Suppose I can't complain too much :)
06:42 ashimema :)
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06:52 alex_a bonjour
06:52 wahanui privet, alex_a
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07:04 matts hello
07:07 ashimema good morning matts
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07:16 fridolin hie all
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07:18 cait good morning
07:20 BobB hi cait
07:21 BobB its evening here :)
07:31 cait hi BobB :)
07:31 cait how are you?
07:59 paul_p hello #koha
08:00 paul_p rangi I see you booked coralt hotel (as well as Nicole). Is it[…]l/cordoba-ar.html ? (ie: an appartment)
08:00 paul_p rangi (oups... hello first)
08:03 paul_p if yes, sounds a very good deal...
08:03 paul_p for Jonathan & me
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08:13 petter hi #koha
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09:22 matts ashimema, I've successfully tested your patch, and have it signed-off :)
09:22 ashimema matts++ you are a hero mate!
09:22 ashimema Thanks!
09:23 matts You're welcome :) Also, thanks to cait for providing shib support :)
09:25 cait matts++ :)
09:25 cait matts: i can add the sign off line later too i thik
09:26 cait ashimema: so docs and tests now?
09:31 ashimema the docs in the patch are good enough to start.. thought we still need to copy accross your notes into w wiki page.
09:31 ashimema and yes.. I still need to write some tests before it'll get accepted into master..
09:31 ashimema :(
09:31 ashimema tests are hard.
09:35 cait they are
09:35 cait not sure i feel confident about my notes
09:35 cait i think you changed soemthing about the configuration in koha-conf after?
09:36 ashimema I did indeed..
09:37 ashimema I'll throw an updated cleansed version onto the koha wiki.
10:50 gerundio good morning
10:50 gerundio general perl question: what does the "//=" operator do?
10:59 gerundio as in "$config->{with_hours} //= 0;" at[…]/
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11:05 bgkriegel Hi
11:05 wahanui hola, bgkriegel
11:08 ashimema cait:[…]eth_Configuration
11:08 ashimema that ok to you?
11:08 ashimema gerundo..
11:08 cait just got back from lunch. looking nice
11:08 ashimema I think it does an 'if undefined then set to 0'
11:09 ashimema for {with_hours}
11:09 ashimema cait.. matts signed off..
11:09 cait yep was still here when he did that .)
11:09 ashimema you saw.. but I'm still super happy about it :)
11:09 cait ashimema: you need to add a category to fix navigation on that wiki page *sigh*
11:10 ashimema indeed.. it's currenlty not linked from anywhere whilst I was writting it.
11:10 ashimema I 'hate' our categories too ;)
11:11 cait yep
11:15 ashimema ack..
11:15 ashimema that stupid plugin to add categories gets in the way of adding categories half the time..!
11:15 ashimema it hides the wiki page source..
11:15 ashimema bloody thing!
11:19 ashimema I've asked galen if we can get that removed..
11:19 ashimema it makes tidying up the wiki almost impossible.
11:23 gerundio ashimema, thanks for explanation on the //= operator
11:25 cait ashimema: i dislike it a lot too
11:25 cait all the scrolling to preview and save... gah.
11:25 ashimema indeed..
11:25 ashimema it also blocks you from adding categories manually..
11:25 ashimema so you end up screwing the pooch
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12:13 cait marcelr++
12:13 cait thanks a lot!
12:13 marcelr :)
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12:21 kivilahtio Do you have any idea is screen scraping our own data illegal from a closed source vendors system?
12:22 kivilahtio I guess not but what kind of experiences do you have?
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12:34 tcohen mormorning! #koha
12:35 cait hi tcohen :)
12:35 tcohen hi there
12:35 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
12:35 tcohen whatsup wahanui
12:36 tcohen bye paul_p
12:37 oleonard Hi all
12:38 cait hi oleonard :)
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12:46 nengard cait what hotel are you staying in for kohacon?
12:46 nengard rangi said it was the same one as him - which is the same one as me and Brian :)
12:47 nengard and of course good morning all :)
12:47 * nengard was excited to find out
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12:54 * oleonard is staying at Hotel Sadness, located conveniently on Not Going to KohaCon Avenue.
12:57 tcohen oleonard: come to argentina, please
12:57 oleonard I wish I could!
12:57 * ashimema is also checking into Hotel Sadness :(
12:58 oleonard Oh cool I'll see you for breakfast ashimema ;)
13:00 ashimema :'(
13:00 ashimema indeed
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13:20 * cait is now sad too
13:20 cait nengard: you already know it :)
13:21 nengard cool
13:22 cait the only thing tha towrries me a bit is that it's bigger than my apartment here...
13:23 cait i might get lost :)
13:25 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "oleonard got a sec for some bootstrap help?" (71 lines) at
13:26 nengard cait that's funny! It will be like a luxury vacation for you :)
13:26 cait yep :)
13:26 nengard i'm just happy about the washer/dryer
13:26 nengard means I can pack less
13:27 cait also looking forward to that kitchen
13:27 nengard we can take turns cooking each other dinners :) hehe
13:27 cait as long as you don't expect 'typical German' food :)
13:28 nengard I don't know what 'typical' German food is :)
13:28 nengard so that's a-ok
13:29 oleonard nengard: I'm looking
13:29 nengard :)
13:29 rhcl good german food ->
13:29 nengard okay ... that does not appeal to me
13:29 rhcl no?
13:29 wahanui
13:30 nengard LOL
13:30 nengard love it
13:30 cait um....
13:30 nengard No, I'm not a big meat eater
13:30 nengard and putting meat on top of meat does not strike my fancy
13:31 rhcl I suppose you could get a double Sauerkraut on a bun?
13:32 nengard yum
13:32 cait i guss it's time to organize kohacon in germany... so you all get some first hand experience :)
13:33 nengard yes!!!!
13:33 nengard 2016 in Germany!
13:34 cait :)
13:36 JesseM Cant wait cait
13:36 JesseM :)
13:36 oleonard nengard: Your .span12 div needs to be inside its own .row-fluid div
13:37 oleonard nengard: Also note that you're missing a style attribute declaration in that answerland <img>
13:38 nengard thank you!!!
13:38 nengard I was thinking in terms of tables and colspan I guess when I did the header in the same row-fluid
13:41 nengard and i don't see style2 defined in their css, so i'm not sure what they wanted that to be ... off to hunt it down
13:42 JesseM @later tell larryb This carnegie needs an update please. This is a HIGH priority for them. http://ticket.bywatersolutions[…]lay.html?id=17856
13:42 huginn JesseM: The operation succeeded.
13:43 JesseM oops :P
13:45 ashimema haha.. wrong channel JesseM?
13:45 ashimema btdt
13:46 JesseM Yep!  :)
13:46 JesseM too many irc channels open at once
13:48 * druthb points and laughs at JesseM.
13:48 druthb :P
13:49 JesseM Thanks druthb :)
13:49 druthb Welcome. :)
13:49 JesseM How are you Ruth?
13:49 druthb I know you've missed that.  :P
13:49 druthb I'm good!
13:50 druthb Busy busy—three releases a year is keeping us jumpin around here.
13:50 JesseM oh I bet. busy busy busy
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13:51 ashimema anyone here able to point me to a test which mocks koha config nicely for me to copy ;)
13:51 druthb yep.  We just had the release party for the second of them last night—and code freeze for the third one is just over a month away.
13:57 Mahdi hi there. I have koha running on a debian squeeze environment. if I want to upload an alternative logo for the OPAC where can i copy the file to?
13:57 cait tcohen maybe?
13:58 cait Mahdi: you can do that with CSS - you can have the file anywhere, but i'd put it on the same server
13:59 Mahdi yeah so if i want to put it up on the server
13:59 Mahdi i just need to copy into some apache folder
13:59 Mahdi ?
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14:18 oleonard Mahdi: You could add the image to a web-accessible folder on the server or you could put the file on another web server and refer to it there.
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14:22 oleonard bgkriegel++ # thanks for the follow-ups!
14:23 bgkriegel np :)
14:23 bgkriegel fixing them now
14:32 tcohen ashimema: what do u want to mock?
14:33 ashimema i've just remembered you've done pretty much what I want in the ldap testing work you pointed me to before..
14:33 ashimema I'm mocking a shibboleth config so I can test against it.
14:37 tcohen let me know if i can be of help
14:37 * tcohen heads to continue that LDAP mocking s*t
14:37 ashimema :)
14:37 ashimema indeed.. it's not simple is it..
14:37 ashimema i was close.. assuming your stuff works of course ;)
14:38 ashimema just making mine attempt match your a bit more closely.
14:44 tcohen mine *almost* works
14:44 tcohen heh
14:44 ashimema yeah.. mine too.
14:44 ashimema but not quite!
14:45 tcohen i'm struggling with the mocked object not respecting changes in the global variables
14:45 ashimema I'm trying to mock a very similar data structure..
14:45 ashimema seeing as I copied the config layout form ldap for consistency!
14:45 ashimema I se.
14:45 ashimema I see
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14:54 ashimema hmm.
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15:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12174 follow-up of the patch (a missing print statement) <[…]3fea0fecbec3ab232> / Bug 12174 - Zotero connection with Koha: problem with UTF-8 <[…]083c606d1e57f5ef7> / Bug 12568 [QA Followup] - Use ':' as separator instead of '|' <http://git.koha-community
15:11 gerundio bug 12669?
15:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , "Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone"
15:12 gerundio can anyone check my last comment on that bug and see if that would solve the problem without creating additional issues?
15:22 tcohen gerundio: it looks good to me
15:22 gerundio tcohen, nice
15:26 tcohen it is consistent with colin's idea, so, i'm ok with that
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15:38 gerundio I missed one there, just added another small fix on other code entry
15:38 gerundio the principle remains the same
15:38 tcohen gerundio: will you provide a proper patch?
15:39 gerundio I'm still not sure if this solution might affect the behaviour of date handling on other koha features
15:40 gerundio tcohen, I don't have a propper Koha development environment set up
15:51 oleonard khall: You picked a good day to send a patch for Bug 12507
15:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12507 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , News does not always display in staff or OPAC
15:52 gerundio tcohen, I've went through[…]Control_Using_Git and[…]i/SubmitingAPatch
15:52 gerundio but I'm not sure which repository to clone in order to submit the patch
15:52 tcohen gerundio: i'm about to leave for lunch
15:53 tcohen gerundio: strictly follow the "Version Control for Koha using Git" section on the first link
15:53 cait gerundio: patches shoudl always be submitted for th emaster branch
15:53 cait and what tcohen said :)
15:54 tcohen gerundio, the bits that say how to do some work
15:54 tcohen just do
15:54 tcohen git checkout origin/master -b bug_12669_tz_error
15:55 gerundio ok, thanks
15:55 tcohen to create a branch called bug_12669_tz_error
15:55 tcohen that sits on top of master
16:02 ashimema or even better.. set your local branch to track too
16:02 ashimema git checkout origin/master -b bug_12669_tz_error --track origin/master
16:02 ashimema that way a 'git pull --rebase' will keep your patch up to date to apply atop master
16:03 gerundio cait, ashimema but I have to start with "git clone ...", right?
16:04 tcohen doesn't the checkout imply --track?
16:06 cait tcohen: not sure, but i never do any specific tracking, so maybe
16:06 ashimema I don't believe so
16:07 ashimema or maybe there's somthing wrong with my setup
16:07 cait hm yeah, i use git rebase -i origin/master...
16:07 cbrannon I am attempting to setup a test box for Koha.  I am in debian and use "git clone git:// kohaclone", but I get a connection refused error.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?  FYI, I've never used debian before today.
16:07 ashimema you your explicitly telling git to rebase against.. where as my pull is using the track in the config
16:07 ashimema anywho.
16:13 cbrannon Perhaps it is a firewall issue.  Trying the http instead.
16:18 cait ashimema: I think you are right :)
16:18 cait ashimema: andi think i shoud learn about tracking to make my life easier :)
16:18 ashimema nice to be right about one thing now and then.
16:19 ashimema I'm stuck at the first hurdle with this shibboleth test..
16:19 ashimema I can't get it to recognise my mocked config.
16:19 jcamins ashimema: you mean... it's _mocking_ you?
16:19 jcamins Bwahahahahaha!!!!
16:19 ashimema indeed it is.
16:20 ashimema very similar code seems to work for tcohen.. but not for me :(
16:21 cbrannon Fetch failed...couldn't resolve host '' using http.  :/
16:22 cait i think we don't offer http currently for some reason i forgot hm
16:22 jcamins ashimema: not enough 'h's.
16:23 ashimema mm
16:24 cbrannon working it out.  Had to jump on our wifi to bypass firewall.  It seems to be working now.  :)
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16:28 cait cbrannon: keeping fingers crossed :)
16:36 barton what's the difference between the syspref 'CircControl' => Use the checkout and fines rules of {specify branch info} and HomeOrHoldingBranch => Use the checkout and fines rules of {specify branch info} ... why are these two different variables?
16:37 cait barton: i am not sure if anyone knows
16:37 cait there is a bug for that
16:38 barton That's good. :-)
16:44 barton cait: I found a couple of bugs mentioning HomeOrHoldingBranch and CircControl: Bug 10754
16:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10754 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , HomeOrHoldingBranch and CircControl are described identically in the system preference editor
16:45 barton and Bug 5159
16:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5159 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref description misleading
16:45 barton Neither of these mention, which is where I ran across them :-)
16:46 ashimema mwahahaha.. I have tamed C4::Context->config !
16:46 barton ashimema++
16:47 cait ashimema++
17:00 oleonard cbrannon: I frequently find git is blocked by firewalls. Also: Your wifi bypasses the firewall? :)
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17:11 gml Hello, please someone could help me with this. How can I do a benchmark test like the one on[…]Benchmark_for_3.8 ?
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17:18 cbrannon oleonard: public wifi
17:19 cbrannon oleonard: no one cares if the public's devices get hacked ;)
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17:37 cait hmsomene aware of a problem with predue messages?
17:37 cait i am testing close to master and i can't generate them the usual way
17:38 cait patron wants them 1 days before due date, checked out something with due date yesterday... ran and nothing
17:38 cait due and duedgst are ok
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17:40 larryb hello #koha
17:41 larryb is anyone else having problems connecting to the git site?
17:41 larryb I'm getting a connection reset by peer message
17:42 bgkriegel larryb: same for me
17:44 larryb hmmm, the server logs are showing: Jul 31 17:14:26 git git-daemon[24139]: Too many children, dropping connection
17:44 larryb I think git needs a restart
17:47 gml Hello, please someone could help me with this. How can I do a benchmark test like the one on[…]Benchmark_for_3.8 ?
17:47 larryb okay, I've restarted the git-daemon. It should be working now
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18:57 bgkriegel oleonard, around?
18:59 * cait waves
19:00 oleonard yes
19:02 oleonard bgkriegel: ?
19:02 bgkriegel oleonard: Thanks for your sign, now Bug 12686 :)
19:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12686 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Make more selected option XHTML complian
19:03 bgkriegel fixed all I could find
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19:54 druthb :/
19:54 oleonard bgkriegel still around?
19:54 bgkriegel yep
19:55 * cait hands out cookies to everyone still around
19:55 * druthb takes two
19:55 bgkriegel :)
19:55 oleonard bgkriegel: Does Bug 12539 remove a fallback between installed templates?
19:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12539 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove hardcoded theme from C4/
19:56 cait ah
19:56 oleonard Is that why it breaks CCSR?
19:56 bgkriegel yes, that's right
19:56 wahanui I know.
19:56 cait hm that would be a feature break then
19:57 cait if it doesn't allow to still add new templates
19:57 oleonard I agree. While we don't want to officially maintain more than one set of templates, it should be possible to have them.
19:57 cait yeah
19:57 cait people don't have to go crazy, but having one file changed for a specific need would be good
19:58 cait and better than changing the standard files
19:59 jcamins Suggestion: add a syspref to set which theme is the fallback and set it to bootstrap for new installs and prog for upgrades until prog is actually removed.
19:59 bgkriegel that could work
20:00 cait sorry for making it harder for you bgkriegel
20:01 bgkriegel No problem :)
20:02 bgkriegel I'll try to work on it
20:02 cait maybe we could hold back on the patch a bit and just set it to bootstrap?
20:02 cait that woudl make it a bit easier
20:04 bgkriegel or simply add the syspref, set it to prog, and then wait ...
20:04 cait yep
20:07 bgkriegel Ok, I change it to 'In Discussion' until can fix it
20:09 rangi morning
20:11 cait morning rangi :)
20:11 bgkriegel hi rangi
20:24 rangi heh
20:25 rangi designers get those emails all the time, i can totally sympathise with them
20:25 cait hm?
20:25 rangi latest mail to the list
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20:40 rangi @later tell Dyrcona feel free to merge your changes whenever you think its functionally equiv ... im happy to wait to do much more until its merged, to avoid conflicts
20:40 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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21:00 pianohacker hi
21:04 rangi so you know how we have the reports api that hands out json
21:04 rangi
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21:05 rangi json reports + dashing = dashboard quite easily
21:07 * rangi drops the mic
21:07 cait hmmmmm
21:11 wizzyrea dahsing is cool. ;)
21:11 wizzyrea dashing even.
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21:25 pianohacker ncip?
21:25 wahanui http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]g-on-ncip-kohails
21:27 rangi also this
21:27 wahanui i think also this is cool
21:28 rangi
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21:29 wizzyrea :/
21:29 pianohacker haha yup
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21:55 rangi i cant tell if that was the wind or an earthquake
21:56 wizzyrea #wellingtonproblems
21:56 rangi because this youtube video has rendered me senseless
21:56 wizzyrea O.O
22:18 eythian hi
22:18 wahanui que tal, eythian
22:19 bgkriegel rangi: uploaded a new version of Bug 12539
22:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12539 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove hardcoded theme from C4/
22:20 rangi bgkriegel++
22:22 rangi thanks for that
22:23 cait bgkriegel++ :)
22:24 bgkriegel :)
22:31 eythian pianohacker:[…]ompress-gzip-perl FYI
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22:31 pianohacker woo!
22:31 pianohacker eythian++
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22:43 dan_ I've found it's a tool for indent *.pm and *.pl, but in the case of *.tt files how is that? Is it used a de-indenting tool for performance purposes?
22:44 dan_ BTW, hi everyone
22:44 rangi dan_: there doesnt seem to be a good .tt linting/tidy tool
22:44 rangi htmltidy makes a mess
22:44 cbrannon dan: howdy
22:44 wahanui hola, cbrannon
22:45 cbrannon wahanui: hello
22:45 wahanui que tal, cbrannon
22:45 pianohacker pretty forgivable, given that these files might have HTML, TT, JS, CSS and if you're unlucky Perl :P
22:45 rangi or xml
22:45 rangi its template toolkit
22:45 pianohacker cbrannon: just to make sure you know, wahanui is a chatbot
22:45 rangi it could be anything
22:45 pianohacker true
22:45 pianohacker do we have any XML TT templates?
22:45 cbrannon ah...that's odd.
22:46 pianohacker wahanui takes some getting used to, but is occasionally useful
22:46 wahanui OK, pianohacker.
22:46 pianohacker coding guidelines?
22:46 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
22:46 pianohacker wahanui?
22:46 wahanui yes, pianohacker?
22:46 dan_ the lack of indenting in *.tt files is intentional, am I right?
22:46 rangi some is, some isn't
22:46 pianohacker there's an ongoing debate about that
22:47 cbrannon so wahanui is intentional.  Okay.  :)
22:50 eythian it's hard to have a sane autoindent for template toolkit given you're often mixing a few languages.
22:50 eythian Generally it's "whatever makes it the most readable."
22:51 cbrannon Argh!  We need a flag in Bugzilla showing what patches are sandbox worthy.  I have to pass on so much!  :/
22:53 cait cbrannon: want me to find something for you?
22:54 cbrannon cati:  Thanks.  I'll search for now.  Killing a few minutes before I have to go.
22:54 cait the CGI::scrolling should be doable
22:54 cait hm also
22:54 cait bug 12501 :P
22:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show Dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT results
22:55 cait sorry, too tempting :)
22:55 cait good night all :)
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23:36 tcohen hi
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23:41 rangi hi tcohen
23:41 tcohen how r u doing rangi
23:41 rangi not too bad, glad it's friday
23:42 dcook ^
23:44 tcohen ah, still a couple of hours for friday here
23:44 tcohen eythian: i cannot reproduce (on jenkins) the problem you mention
23:45 eythian have you tried it in pbuilder?
23:45 eythian because that ensures a clean environment.
23:45 tcohen nope
23:47 tcohen my guess is that libtest-more-perl has a wrong version
23:48 eythian It's possible
23:48 eythian I'm doing a bit of testing now, seeing if I can break into a properly set up pbuilder environment.
23:51 eythian Though, it might be better to think of it as the test case is written to a wrong version of Test::More
23:53 eythian actually, there is no libtest-more-perl in squeeze
23:54 rangi its part of core
23:54 eythian yeah
23:54 rangi
23:54 rangi has been for a long time
23:54 tcohen but we have subtests awhile ago
23:55 eythian but this one has a syntax error
23:55 tcohen ok
23:55 tcohen i'll provide a fix
23:55 tcohen i trusted jenkins too much i guess
23:59 eythian tcohen: # grep -i VERSION Test/ | head -1
23:59 eythian our $VERSION = '0.92';
23:59 eythian perl-modules:
23:59 eythian Installed: 5.10.1-17squeeze6

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