| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:07 |
|
eythian |
hi |
| 00:20 |
|
mtj |
heya eythian |
| 00:20 |
|
mtj |
i just spotted this in my newsfeed... |
| 00:20 |
|
mtj |
http://arstechnica.com/securit[…]-of-service-bots/ |
| 00:21 |
|
eythian |
yeah, you could write that headline as "people don't patch and firewall properly, get owned." |
| 00:21 |
|
mtj |
i wonder what is Backdoor.Perl.RShell.c |
| 00:21 |
|
mtj |
lol, awesome response |
| 00:22 |
|
mtj |
so true too |
| 00:22 |
|
eythian |
it's a perl web shell |
| 00:23 |
|
mtj |
ah yep, just spotted that too... |
| 00:23 |
|
eythian |
i.e. you drop it on something and then you can interact with it via a network port to control the machine |
| 00:23 |
|
mtj |
' They said that the attackers modified publicly available proof-of-concept exploit code for CVE-2014-3120 and used it to install a Perl-based Web shell ' |
| 00:25 |
|
mtj |
a bit more, for the curious -> https://securelist.com/blog/vi[…]-ddos-and-profit/ |
| 01:14 |
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| 01:26 |
|
mtj |
peeps.. anyone know if its possible to restrict r/w access to a branches bibs/items - for a user category? |
| 01:27 |
|
mtj |
...ive taken a quick look about, but cant see any option to do this (in 3.14.x) |
| 01:29 |
|
dcook |
Not that I know of |
| 01:29 |
|
mtj |
ie: stop users from branch-A, to view/edit bibs from branch-B |
| 01:30 |
|
mtj |
dcook: me too :) |
| 01:30 |
|
mtj |
(i just ask, in case) |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
Actually, even with IndependentBranches turned on, there is a lot of... well...lack of independence |
| 01:31 |
|
eythian |
it's not very thoroughly implemented, I'm given to understand. |
| 01:31 |
|
* dcook |
nods |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
well it turned out that nobody actually used it that way |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
and people who tried, gave up. |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
yeah it was more independent the first time round |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
then everyone was all |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
oohhh we didnt mean actually independent |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
SHARE ALL THE THINGS |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
but we cant tell you what we actually mean |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
try and guess |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
^^^^^ |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
and we will tell you if its wrong |
| 01:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
that. so much that. |
| 01:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
and, it's not a technical problem, it's a people problem. |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
*nod* |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
Well... |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
I'd say both |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
its a technical solution to a people problem |
| 01:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's a technical problem because the people can't behave themselves. |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
There are a few holes in the independence as it presents itself |
| 01:34 |
|
dcook |
I'm willing to say it's a problem :p |
| 01:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think libraries that want to do it like that |
| 01:34 |
|
dcook |
I don't think there's an easy technical solution as people policy varies too much. |
| 01:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
jsut ought to get their own koha. |
| 01:34 |
|
rangi |
the whole idea of independent branches is a people problem |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
i cant trust my colleagues, please make it so they cant do things i think they shouldn't |
| 01:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
^^^ |
| 01:35 |
|
mtj |
i think i agree rangi |
| 01:35 |
|
* dcook |
ponders |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
thats what makes it so hard to build |
| 01:35 |
|
dcook |
I'd say also fear of accidents |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
because everyone has different levels of trust in their workmates |
| 01:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
if you have ever looked at moodle permissions |
| 01:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
there is a system built around people problems if I've ever seen one and the rules are madness. |
| 01:36 |
|
* dcook |
is a bit terrified of learning management systems |
| 01:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
that way be dragons |
| 01:36 |
|
rangi |
if you really want independence |
| 01:36 |
|
rangi |
install packages |
| 01:36 |
|
rangi |
run 5 instances |
| 01:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
^^^ |
| 01:36 |
|
rangi |
done |
| 01:36 |
|
dcook |
And install 5 databases of 600,000+ MeSH authorities? |
| 01:37 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
Seems a bit inefficient |
| 01:37 |
|
rangi |
disk is cheap |
| 01:37 |
|
mtj |
i remember the 1st time a librarian explained to me that staff on other branches 'gamed' the holds queue on certain items |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
rangi: There's only so much time to index though |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
I suppose you only need to re-index on occasion |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
fully re-index |
| 01:37 |
|
rangi |
for authorities once a year if that |
| 01:37 |
|
wizzyrea |
peer pressure at the system meeting is remarkably effective at curbing that. |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
mtj: "gamed"? |
| 01:38 |
|
mtj |
well, just cheated really dcook :) |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
But how? |
| 01:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
that assumes you have meetings. |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: If it's a library, there are meetings |
| 01:38 |
|
rangi |
or, they could spec it out, how they want it actually work and people could build it |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
Many meetings |
| 01:38 |
|
mtj |
they would reshuffle the holds queue... somehow |
| 01:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
the usuall kind of hold queue nonsense I'd reckon, bumping their pet borrowers to the top |
| 01:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
etc |
| 01:38 |
|
rangi |
but this wave your arms and say independent |
| 01:39 |
|
rangi |
is never gonna result in something anyone is happy with |
| 01:39 |
|
mtj |
dcook: not on a koha system here... just some random ILS |
| 01:39 |
|
dcook |
rangi: Agreed. That's one of the reasons I dislike having the preference there to begin with |
| 01:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
independent = I can't see the others items? or I can see them but not edit them? or can only edit certain fields? |
| 01:39 |
|
dcook |
There isn't really a spec for it |
| 01:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
same, borrowers? |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
Ah, right, borrowers...that's another annoyance |
| 01:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
I can see your borrowers? I can edit them? I can not see them at all? |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
If you have 5 instances, you need to do patron management 5 times |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: Totes |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
mtj: Right, I just don't understand how they'd cheat the holds queue :S. Librarians are an interesting breed though. |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
the patron search has gotten a lot better in this regard. |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
cheating the hold queue is time honoured tradition in libraries. |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
As in, there's a hold on it, but Imma check it out anyway? |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
(particularly to myself?) |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
as in, I like this person so I'll bump them up |
| 01:41 |
|
* dcook |
shudders |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
or I don't like that person, I like this other person better, I'll rearrange this. |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
Reminds me of the 3 hour class we had on ethics... |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
It was horrible |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
btw |
| 01:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
also there's a hold on it but I'll check it out to this person anyway |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
:( |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, I guess you don't necessarily have librarians doing a lot of the checking out... |
| 01:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
mind, I had a library at NEKLS that would allow a borrower with a book in hand that they had gotten off the shelf issue an item even if it had a hold on it. |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
That is a tough situation |
| 01:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
(because, for example, the library hadn't pulled that item off of the shelf) |
| 01:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
(yet) |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
Righto |
| 01:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
and it seemed unfair to take the book out of that borrower's hand |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
On one hand, there's a hold on it. On the other hand, they have retrieved the book. |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 01:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think what we learn from this is that the hold queue isn't sacred really. |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
I suppose that's why some libraries don't allow holds where items are on shelf ;) |
| 01:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
it is and it isn't |
| 01:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
you definitely don't want the system messing up the queuing. |
| 01:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
but people messing up the queuing can't really be avoided unless you simply don't allow it |
| 01:45 |
|
dcook |
Or don't allow holds where items are on shelf |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
Although that sucks if you're not a regular library goer |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
Or...charge money for holds so that patrons stop using your library all together |
| 01:46 |
|
* dcook |
is still bitter about his local public library |
| 01:51 |
|
mtj |
wizzyrea: the weird twist to my story was that there was nasty sabotaging happening, between staff from 'rival' branches |
| 01:53 |
|
mtj |
the idea of admining (and/or developing) an ILS where your users are that badly behaved O_o |
| 01:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
I'm pretty bitter about my public library too. |
| 01:55 |
|
mtj |
still... you could just add better logging for those 'hold' events, then run a weekly report to catch those users? |
| 01:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
yeah, I filed a bug about that ages ago |
| 01:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
logging for hold queue modification |
| 01:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
or add reserve modification to the bib modification logs |
| 01:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
something like that |
| 01:55 |
|
mtj |
good spotting wiz |
| 01:56 |
|
mtj |
yep |
| 01:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 |
| 01:56 |
|
huginn |
Bug 6890: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , Add reserves to modification logging |
| 01:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
ohh, it was getting close too. |
| 01:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
boo. |
| 01:58 |
|
mtj |
meh, just a little fixup needed |
| 02:58 |
|
eythian |
https://packages.qa.debian.org[…]rchange-perl.html <-- rangi, migrated into testing |
| 02:59 |
|
rangi |
sweet |
| 03:00 |
|
rangi |
@later tell ashimema Colin's perl module is now in debian testing https://packages.qa.debian.org[…]rchange-perl.html |
| 03:00 |
|
huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:20 |
|
eythian |
http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log[…]ervation-society/ |
| 03:55 |
|
mtj |
rangi, very cool ^^ |
| 04:52 |
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| 04:55 |
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dpk |
hi all. Just upgraded from 3.14.06 to 3.16.02 and there were 5 update errors on the DB. Is anyone here able to assess whether I need to worry about them? |
| 04:55 |
|
eythian |
yes |
| 04:55 |
|
eythian |
put them in a pastebin and put the link here |
| 04:56 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: paste |
| 04:56 |
|
wahanui |
i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 04:56 |
|
eythian |
(also, if they're all "something already exists" type messages, you're fine.) |
| 05:00 |
|
dpk |
some are not. http://pastebin.com/mdFZT9pD |
| 05:01 |
|
eythian |
hmm |
| 05:02 |
|
eythian |
the first and third are fine, but the rest are a bit dubious |
| 05:02 |
|
eythian |
oh, the second may be OK too, hard to tell. |
| 05:03 |
|
eythian |
yeah, the second isn't OK either |
| 05:03 |
|
dpk |
So what's my next step? |
| 05:04 |
|
eythian |
I don't understand why the issn one is happening, it drops the index immediately previously. |
| 05:04 |
|
eythian |
Are you familiar with SQL? |
| 05:04 |
|
dpk |
I can do some basics. |
| 05:06 |
|
eythian |
In that case, I'd have a look in updatedatabase.pl at the lines mentioned, and then check the schema in the actual database to see if it now matches. If it doesn't, make it match :) |
| 05:07 |
|
eythian |
it really just seems to be the indexes around biblioitems.issn that're the issue |
| 05:07 |
|
eythian |
and that ctId thing |
| 05:07 |
|
eythian |
you may need to add it. |
| 05:08 |
|
eythian |
That should have been added way back in 3.01, I don't know why you don't have it. |
| 05:16 |
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| 05:16 |
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eythian |
hi cait |
| 05:23 |
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cait |
morning eythian |
| 05:23 |
|
eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
| 05:23 |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:23 |
|
eythian |
ug. I have to bike across town. |
| 05:23 |
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eythian |
what huginn isn't telling you is the wind gusting to 70kph |
| 05:23 |
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dpk |
Looks like I already have collections_tracking_id int(11). |
| 05:25 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 05:25 |
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eythian |
yeah, that would be expected |
| 05:25 |
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eythian |
in that case, it's probably OK |
| 05:26 |
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cait |
ew |
| 05:27 |
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dpk |
So now we're down to the wonky ISSN stuff. Let do a show columns on the biblioitems table |
| 05:28 |
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dcook |
@wunder sydney, australia |
| 05:28 |
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huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (3:00 PM EST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:28 |
|
* dcook |
consults the internet |
| 05:28 |
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dcook |
I think it's supposed to be winter here... |
| 05:28 |
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dcook |
Not that I'm complaining |
| 05:29 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 05:29 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (7:25 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:29 |
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cait |
supposed t obe summer here |
| 05:29 |
|
cait |
but currently we are getting los of rain |
| 05:30 |
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dcook |
:/ |
| 05:30 |
|
* dcook |
also just ate lunch is already hungry again |
| 05:30 |
|
dcook |
Nothing is as it should be! |
| 05:30 |
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cait |
i don't like super warm weather, so it's not that bad fo rme |
| 05:30 |
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dpk |
I don't know what that column is supposed to be… |
| 05:31 |
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eythian |
if in doubt, look in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql |
| 05:31 |
|
* eythian |
has to go now, later all. |
| 05:31 |
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dcook |
later eythian |
| 05:37 |
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dpk |
can someone show me what "show index from biblioitems;" shows for a system running 3.16.02? |
| 05:38 |
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dpk |
Looking at kohastructure.sql... |
| 05:43 |
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dpk |
I think I fixed it. |
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dcook |
Oh, IE7. Why you make me so crazy... |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
dcook: glad someone works outhow to fix ie bugs |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
dcook++ |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
bbiab |
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dcook |
@later tell cait This one is for DSpace :/. I think my brain is going to leak out of my ear. It's rather mind-boggling. |
| 06:36 |
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huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:44 |
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dcook |
"margin-left:0px;" |
| 06:44 |
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dcook |
But of course... |
| 06:44 |
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* dcook |
glares at IE7 |
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* dcook |
pushes his brains back into his head through his ear |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 06:59 |
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* dcook |
looks at more horrifying webpages |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
salut alex_a |
| 07:00 |
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alex_a |
salut dcook |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
kia ora, gaetan_B |
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matts |
cait, around ? |
| 07:41 |
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cait |
yes |
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ashimema |
morning #koha |
| 08:00 |
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ashimema |
morning matts |
| 08:00 |
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ashimema |
morning cait |
| 08:01 |
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cait |
morning ashimema |
| 08:13 |
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ashimema |
matts, I've tried clarifying Tomas's main point on the CAS patch. Apologies, I think it was me that sent that bug off on a tangent by not fully reading Tomas's first comment. |
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ashimema |
In Tomas's words.. it's not he OPACBaseURL stuff holding it back.. |
| 08:15 |
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ashimema |
I think he's working on regression tests for it and trying to prove to himself that the patch fixes the problem directly rather than coincidentally. |
| 08:15 |
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atheia |
morning all! |
| 08:15 |
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ashimema |
morning atheia |
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ashimema |
@wunder stevenage, uk |
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huginn |
ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 18.6°C (9:15 AM BST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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ashimema |
hmm.. looks like my local whether station no longer gets top hit in wunder |
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ashimema |
@wunder great ashby, uk |
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huginn |
ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:16 |
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matts |
ashimema, just read your comment |
| 08:16 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 08:16 |
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matts |
I totally agree: opacbaseurl stuff should be discussed somewhere else |
| 08:16 |
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ashimema |
sorry mate.. didn't mean to hold the patch back.. i misread to start with.. |
| 08:17 |
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atheia |
@wunder brussels, belgium |
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matts |
and as for the test, jajm will write one today hopefully |
| 08:17 |
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huginn |
atheia: The current temperature in Brussels, Belgium is 18.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
@wunder 51.925076, -0.160660 |
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huginn |
ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
hmm.. I thought wunder could cope with lat and long. |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
excellent news.. I'm usre that will make tcohen happy ;) |
| 08:18 |
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ashimema |
@wunder 51.925, -0.160 |
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huginn |
ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
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cait |
:) |
| 08:20 |
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cait |
probably it was me - because i noted that it expected a different setting |
| 08:20 |
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cait |
the intention was to make it easier for testers |
| 08:20 |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. lots on confusion over that bug. |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
@wunder 51.911 -0.186 |
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huginn |
ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
ack.. |
| 08:21 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
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ashimema |
looks like my local weather has gone offline.. I see why it's not working now. |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
http://www.wunderground.com/pe[…]ard?ID=IHERTFOR21 |
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matts |
ashimema, is the shib single sign out always enabled, or is there a config option ? |
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matts |
and could you explain a bit more what <categorycode> is used for in koha-conf.xml ? It is unclear to me... |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
i hope he will be back soon |
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ashimema |
be with you in a tic matts.. in a call with a customer at the second. |
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matts |
ah... customers ! :) |
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ashimema |
indeed ;) |
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cait |
hi khall :) |
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khall |
mornin cait! mornin all! |
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ashimema |
right.. |
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ashimema |
i'm back |
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ashimema |
morning khall |
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ashimema |
interesting question matts |
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khall |
thanks to everyone ( ashimema, bkriegel, tcohen ) involved with getting bug 9000. That's definitely a personal record for me! Submitted one day, pushed to master the next! |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
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ashimema |
it's obviosly only enabled when shibboleth is enabled.. but when shibobleth is enabled it is always enabled as part of it yes.. |
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ashimema |
However.. there are caviats with that.. in that your have to setup single sign out correctyl at the IdP and SP ends outside of koha first. |
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ashimema |
in short.. it 'should' 'do the right thing' |
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ashimema |
will move to private chat.. sure not everyone wnats to hear my ranting ;) |
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cait |
ashimema: oooh |
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cait |
lunch time bbiab |
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ashimema |
matts++ for spotting a couple of glaring errors in my shib documentation and one glaring error in the implementation. |
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matts |
:) |
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cait |
matts++ ashimema++ cooperation++ :) |
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fridolin |
hie all |
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francharb |
Good morning |
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jajm |
cait, ashimema, the test for CAS is out \o/ http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=12398#c16 (took me a while to figure out how to test this...) |
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huginn |
Bug 12398: critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , CAS authentication not working |
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cait |
morning fridolin and francharb |
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cait |
jajm++ |
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ashimema |
jajm++ |
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ashimema |
cheers.. |
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fridolin |
good morning cati |
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fridolin |
cait: |
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matts |
thx for the test, jajm |
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tcohen |
morning #kohaq |
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ashimema |
morning tcohen |
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tcohen |
i'm about to rewrite the test in t/db_dependent/ |
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tcohen |
the cas one |
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cait |
morning tcohen :) |
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ashimema |
did you spot jajm's one in the bug? |
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tcohen |
yes |
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ashimema |
great.. |
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ashimema |
i've not looked yet.. just wanted to make sure you'd caught up before ploughing into work ;) |
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cait |
right eythian wants us to watch our for tests in t - making sure they really don't need a dbb |
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cait |
because that breaks the build |
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ashimema |
it's coming in thick and fast at the moment |
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cait |
hm? |
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tcohen |
jajm's needs access to sysprefs actually |
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ashimema |
assume he's mocking those though? |
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ashimema |
if at all possible.. i prefer to mock the db,pref and config stuff myself ;) |
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ashimema |
i 'hate' db dependant tests ;) |
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ashimema |
easier to write, but harder to consistently test |
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jajm |
tcohen, i can rewrite patch with syspref mock if you want |
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tcohen |
ah, that'd be great |
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ashimema |
awesome.. jajm++ |
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tcohen |
jajm++ |
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oleonard |
Hi everyone |
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tcohen |
jajm: could you just move it to db_dependent? |
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tcohen |
my feeling is that we will write more tests soon for it |
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tcohen |
all db_dependent |
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tcohen |
you could just do my $opac_base_url = C4::Context->preference('OpacBaseURL') // ''; |
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tcohen |
also, the test could look like |
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tcohen |
is(C4::Auth_with_cas::_url_with_get_params($cgi), |
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tcohen |
"$opac_base_url/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl?bar=baz", |
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tcohen |
"_url_with_get_params should return URL without deleted parameters (Bug 12398)"); |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12398 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , CAS authentication not working |
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jajm |
tcohen, can't we have both t/Auth_with_cas.t and t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t ? |
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tcohen |
jajm: yes, do what u prefer |
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tcohen |
i'll push whatever test the QA team passes |
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jajm |
ok |
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tcohen |
i'm still not sure what is the benefit |
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tcohen |
as i understand it, non db-dependent tests should exist to make sure no side effects take place when the DB is set |
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tcohen |
but we have a situation where we indeed need the DB |
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tcohen |
but are mocking it |
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tcohen |
i'll just put it in db_dependent |
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tcohen |
s/ll/d/ |
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matts |
Just a reminder, I think no one took a look at bug 12631 yet... If anyone has the time, or the will, it will be greatly appreciated :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12631 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses |
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* cait |
thinks we need more hands desperately ... and eyes of course |
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ashimema |
or a time machine cait.. |
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cait |
or cloning? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously |
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ashimema |
then we could pause time for a while to go over the backlog |
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cait |
but seriously, sign off queue is huge |
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cait |
and in needs qa are lots of good feature sthat take a lot of time to work through |
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ashimema |
to be fair.. if the sign-off queue was smaller, then the signed-off queue would be large so the poor qa's would be the limiting factor instead. |
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ashimema |
we're stuck either way ;) |
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cait |
yeah, we need hands everywhere... |
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matts |
About 12631, it's not a feature, it's fixing a broken behavior ;) |
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matts |
Maybe we could hire monkeys |
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cait |
clever monkeys? |
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matts |
Not necessarily |
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matts |
If we have enough time, any kind of monkeys will do the work |
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jajm |
ashimema, tcohen, patch submitted |
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matts |
(as stated in the Infinite monkey theorem : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]te_monkey_theorem ) |
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ashimema |
I love that theorum |
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cait |
there are also 2 critical bugs in needs sign off |
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paul_p |
@seen magnuse |
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huginn |
paul_p: magnuse was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 1 second ago: * magnuse runs off |
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cait |
paul_p: magnuse is on paternity leave |
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cait |
paul_p: best to write him an email if you need something |
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paul_p |
really ? I didn't even knew he was pregnant :D :D |
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paul_p |
cait will do (it's a norwegian language problem...) |
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cait: around? |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12615: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from marc_subfields_structure.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d6598114c55a582cd> / Bug 12487 [QA Followup] - GetContract must return undef with no params <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a16847474fe23aac> / Bug 12487: SQLHelper replacement - C4::Contract <http://git.koha-co |
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cait |
khall: ping :) |
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cait |
ashimema: yep now again |
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hi cait |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12654 Correct incorrectly quoted regexp <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1af6b2aebc50a13c> / Bug 12661: Fixing capitalisation from "Item Type" to "Item type" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b9ea9f0a089b3123> / Bug 9221 - contact note not showing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]it;a=commitdiff;h |
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tcohen: we filled up your queue again :P |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Seeing as some people are on facebook. I thought I'd point out a new group I was directed to: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470467196524189/ |
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mtompset |
It's a Koha Philippines group. :) |
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yay! for the first time the QueryParser tests passed for Ubuntu 14.04 |
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would like to know which the rnd for hash order randomization in Perl 5.18 is |
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tcohen: You mean the way hashes are ordered isn't deterministic and the same across Perl versions? |
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tcohen |
the way hashes are ordered is not deterministic at all |
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older Perl versions might have had a fixed seed, or no randomization at all |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11905 - when editing item, cursor is positioning in search box and not to item <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d712e55f5e780d703> / Bug 11888: Random password suggestion does not work twice <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]693b3089ebc721fda> |
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ashimema |
@seen pianohacker |
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ashimema: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pianohacker> hi rangi |
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mtompset |
Greetings, ashimema. |
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ashimema |
@later tell pianohacker give me a bell when your about mate.. want to clarify a few shib bits related to your auto-provisioning stuff |
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ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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hi mtompset |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7462 - duplicate patron shows flags <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]61d052651600bdc0a> / Bug 10155: Patron search should remember search type options selected <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a6ae13e940195b6b3> / Bug 7237 - duplicating patron not using patron's branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko |
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oleonard |
Preparing screenshots of my test system would be a lot easier if I didn't have to make sure that EVERYTHING looks EXACTLY like our production system. Otherwise they'll latch on to the tiniest difference and focus only on that. |
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oleonard |
Me: "Here is a new feature where you can..." Librarians: "OH MY GOD THE DATE FORMAT IS DIFFERENT." |
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oleonard |
http://cdn.arwrath.com/3/320975.gif |
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JesseM |
LOL |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12662: (follow-up) Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a61e57cb8b6f3f2b6> / Bug 12662: Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference settings... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]19032befae66fc5e0> |
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tcohen |
anyone with MARC21 for serials knowledge? |
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mtompset |
My sympathies, oleonard. :) |
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mtompset |
oleonard++ # nice animated gif. :) |
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* cbrannon |
is now away - Reason : Lunch |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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ashimema |
ok.. random question to throw out there to people |
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ashimema |
when mapping one thing to another and providing a default for when one end of the mapping is empty whats clearer |
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ashimema |
<A default="thing">B</A> |
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ashimema |
or |
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ashimema |
<A is="B">default</A> |
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cait |
i like the first |
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cait |
hm how does ldap do it? |
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jcamins |
ashimema: the second is closer to how data binding systems like Angular do things. |
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jcamins |
But that's not a vote. |
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ashimema |
the second is how ldap does it |
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ashimema |
I see.. so doing it the second way is 'generally more consistent with how it's done elsewhere'.. I wondered why ldap did it that way as it seems totally unclear to me. |
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jcamins |
Well, "is" may be the worst label EVER. |
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cait |
what ldap is missing, is being able to map from something to a koha code |
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cait |
like a patron category code |
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cait |
that would be really helpful |
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cait |
or a branchcode |
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jcamins |
cait: ldap is also missing a certain pleasantness of usage. |
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wahanui |
okay, jcamins. |
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ashimema |
hmm.. |
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jcamins |
ldap? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that ldap is missing a certain pleasantness of usage. |
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pianohacker |
ah, so say the LDAP sends something like 'a' or 'b', mapping that to 'cat_a' or 'cat_b'? |
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ashimema |
well is was going to add in some basic string manipulation to the shibboleth config.. |
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ashimema |
of the lines |
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ashimema |
<userid is="email" regex="s/@somewhere.com//g">default</userid> |
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ashimema |
maybe a further followup could be something like |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I was thinking something more along the lines of mapping the configuration of LDAP to an API request to send the poor benighted soul doing it a stiff drink. But that might be good too. |
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ashimema |
<userid is="uid" is_really="ccode">default</userid> |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: unless everclear is legal in NY I don't think it would be strong enough |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I don't think it is. Good point. |
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ashimema |
another followup I was thinking of was allowing a config based upon finding a particular field and value.. |
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ashimema |
ie. if found attribute called affiliation with value student use one set of mapping.. |
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ashimema |
if found attribute called affiliation with value staff use another set of mapping. |
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cait |
ashimema: that would work too |
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cait |
pianohacker: yeah basically hte codes in koha and the codes in ldap don't always match but now they have to, some flexibility there would be good |
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ashimema |
you almost need a submap cait.. |
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cait |
yeah it doesn#t fit into a one liner |
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cait |
more like an if/else construct |
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ashimema |
a map to map 'words' returned by ldap/shibboleth attributes to code/words in koha. |
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ashimema |
that could lead to one very complex config file :( |
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ashimema |
lost you there guys.. |
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ashimema |
silly irc |
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rangi |
morning |
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nengard |
hiya |
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rangi |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/nz-billboard it's general election time |
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ashimema |
@later tell matts that final update to the shibboleth patch is ready when you are mate.. Thanks for testing :) |
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tcohen |
hi |
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wahanui |
hey, tcohen |
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tcohen |
@seen wizzyrea |
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tcohen: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 45 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> boo. |
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@later tell wizzyrea I need a google maps plugin in the community wordpress |
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tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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wizzyrea |
hi tcohen |
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wizzyrea |
did you have a specific one in mind? |
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wizzyrea |
(it's ok if you don't. Some requirements might be nice though.) |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: yes! this one https://wordpress.org/plugins/google-maps-widget/ |
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tcohen |
haven't tried it yet |
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tcohen |
but looks it does the job |
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tcohen |
thanks! |
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wizzyrea |
what is the main goal? Just show a map? |
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* wizzyrea |
is nosy |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: i need to put two maps for the kohacon section |
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tcohen |
those locations I sent to the list, actually |
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tcohen |
(in reply to nicole) |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
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wizzyrea |
mmm actually I don't think that does what you think it does |
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wizzyrea |
that puts maps in a widget. You want them on a page eh |
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wizzyrea |
tcohen ^ |
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* tcohen |
doesn't understand the difference heh |
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wizzyrea |
:) sok, that's my job. |
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tcohen |
widgets are stuff you move around ? |
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tcohen |
"put this widget showing this on the left" |
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tcohen |
? |
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wizzyrea |
widgets go in certain areas of the site that are (usually, but not always) visible on every page (or type of page) |
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wizzyrea |
example, sidebars or footers. |
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pastebot |
"wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I think you want to simply embed this in the page instead" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 |
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wizzyrea |
(for example) |
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wizzyrea |
you can get at that by clicking the gear at the bottom right, and selecting "share and embed" |
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tcohen |
ah |
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wizzyrea |
then pick the tab "Embed map" |
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wizzyrea |
you may want to use google.com for your maps so they don't come out in ... is it portuguese? |
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tcohen |
ah |
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wizzyrea |
or spanish? I'm sorry to be ignorant. |
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tcohen |
spanish |
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wizzyrea |
spanish :) |
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wizzyrea |
does that seem like what you were looking for or... |
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wizzyrea |
am I totally wrong |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: that looks like what I need |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
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tcohen |
\o/ |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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pianohacker |
@later tell ashimema push finally done |
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huginn |
pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
salut, eythian |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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* dcook |
waves to awake folk |
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rangi |
hi dcook |
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dcook |
yo rangi |
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tcohen |
my wishes for the utf-8 general fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRmYzLrvfM |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_when#Arriving i added hotel info to here and mailed the list |
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dcook |
Exciting! |
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* dcook |
hopes folks have a good time at Kohacon14 |
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tcohen |
rangi: excellent |
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