Time Nick Message 23:40 tcohen rangi: excellent 23:22 * dcook hopes folks have a good time at Kohacon14 23:22 dcook Exciting! 23:16 rangi tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Who_is_arriving_when#Arriving i added hotel info to here and mailed the list 23:15 rangi :) 23:09 tcohen my wishes for the utf-8 general fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRmYzLrvfM 23:00 dcook yo rangi 22:59 rangi hi dcook 22:58 * dcook waves to awake folk 22:48 tcohen hi eythian 22:41 wahanui salut, eythian 22:41 eythian hi 22:27 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 22:27 pianohacker @later tell ashimema push finally done 22:26 cait good night #koha 21:54 tcohen \o/ 21:54 wizzyrea \o/ 21:54 tcohen wizzyrea: that looks like what I need 21:53 wizzyrea am I totally wrong 21:53 wizzyrea does that seem like what you were looking for or... 21:52 wizzyrea spanish :) 21:52 tcohen spanish 21:52 wizzyrea or spanish? I'm sorry to be ignorant. 21:52 tcohen ah 21:52 wizzyrea you may want to use google.com for your maps so they don't come out in ... is it portuguese? 21:51 wizzyrea then pick the tab "Embed map" 21:51 tcohen ah 21:51 wizzyrea you can get at that by clicking the gear at the bottom right, and selecting "share and embed" 21:50 wizzyrea (for example) 21:50 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I think you want to simply embed this in the page instead" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 21:49 wizzyrea example, sidebars or footers. 21:49 wizzyrea widgets go in certain areas of the site that are (usually, but not always) visible on every page (or type of page) 21:49 tcohen ? 21:49 tcohen "put this widget showing this on the left" 21:48 tcohen widgets are stuff you move around ? 21:48 wizzyrea :) sok, that's my job. 21:48 * tcohen doesn't understand the difference heh 21:47 wizzyrea tcohen ^ 21:47 wizzyrea that puts maps in a widget. You want them on a page eh 21:47 wizzyrea mmm actually I don't think that does what you think it does 21:35 wizzyrea *nod* 21:35 tcohen (in reply to nicole) 21:35 tcohen those locations I sent to the list, actually 21:35 tcohen wizzyrea: i need to put two maps for the kohacon section 21:33 * wizzyrea is nosy 21:32 wizzyrea what is the main goal? Just show a map? 21:32 tcohen thanks! 21:32 tcohen but looks it does the job 21:32 tcohen haven't tried it yet 21:32 tcohen wizzyrea: yes! this one https://wordpress.org/plugins/google-maps-widget/ 21:25 wizzyrea (it's ok if you don't. Some requirements might be nice though.) 21:24 wizzyrea did you have a specific one in mind? 21:24 wizzyrea hi tcohen 20:43 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 20:43 tcohen @later tell wizzyrea I need a google maps plugin in the community wordpress 20:42 huginn tcohen: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 45 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> boo. 20:42 tcohen @seen wizzyrea 20:42 wahanui hey, tcohen 20:42 tcohen hi 20:33 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 20:33 ashimema @later tell matts that final update to the shibboleth patch is ready when you are mate.. Thanks for testing :) 20:19 rangi http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/nz-billboard it's general election time 20:14 nengard hiya 20:14 rangi morning 19:59 ashimema silly irc 19:59 ashimema lost you there guys.. 19:54 ashimema that could lead to one very complex config file :( 19:54 ashimema a map to map 'words' returned by ldap/shibboleth attributes to code/words in koha. 19:54 cait more like an if/else construct 19:54 cait yeah it doesn#t fit into a one liner 19:53 ashimema you almost need a submap cait.. 19:52 cait pianohacker: yeah basically hte codes in koha and the codes in ldap don't always match but now they have to, some flexibility there would be good 19:51 cait ashimema: that would work too 19:37 ashimema if found attribute called affiliation with value staff use another set of mapping. 19:37 ashimema ie. if found attribute called affiliation with value student use one set of mapping.. 19:36 ashimema another followup I was thinking of was allowing a config based upon finding a particular field and value.. 19:34 jcamins pianohacker: I don't think it is. Good point. 19:34 pianohacker jcamins: unless everclear is legal in NY I don't think it would be strong enough 19:34 ashimema <userid is="uid" is_really="ccode">default</userid> 19:34 jcamins pianohacker: I was thinking something more along the lines of mapping the configuration of LDAP to an API request to send the poor benighted soul doing it a stiff drink. But that might be good too. 19:33 ashimema maybe a further followup could be something like 19:33 ashimema <userid is="email" regex="s/@somewhere.com//g">default</userid> 19:32 ashimema of the lines 19:32 ashimema well is was going to add in some basic string manipulation to the shibboleth config.. 19:32 pianohacker ah, so say the LDAP sends something like 'a' or 'b', mapping that to 'cat_a' or 'cat_b'? 19:32 wahanui it has been said that ldap is missing a certain pleasantness of usage. 19:32 jcamins ldap? 19:32 ashimema hmm.. 19:32 wahanui okay, jcamins. 19:32 jcamins cait: ldap is also missing a certain pleasantness of usage. 19:31 cait or a branchcode 19:30 cait that would be really helpful 19:30 cait like a patron category code 19:30 cait what ldap is missing, is being able to map from something to a koha code 19:28 jcamins Well, "is" may be the worst label EVER. 19:27 ashimema I see.. so doing it the second way is 'generally more consistent with how it's done elsewhere'.. I wondered why ldap did it that way as it seems totally unclear to me. 19:26 ashimema the second is how ldap does it 19:26 jcamins But that's not a vote. 19:25 jcamins ashimema: the second is closer to how data binding systems like Angular do things. 19:23 cait hm how does ldap do it? 19:23 cait i like the first 19:21 ashimema <A is="B">default</A> 19:20 ashimema or 19:20 ashimema <A default="thing">B</A> 19:20 ashimema when mapping one thing to another and providing a default for when one end of the mapping is empty whats clearer 19:19 ashimema ok.. random question to throw out there to people 19:08 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 18:32 gaetan_B bye 18:13 * cbrannon is now away - Reason : Lunch 18:11 mtompset oleonard++ # nice animated gif. :) 18:11 mtompset My sympathies, oleonard. :) 18:05 tcohen anyone with MARC21 for serials knowledge? 17:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12662: (follow-up) Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=782d9613da503b9b60d513ea61e57cb8b6f3f2b6> / Bug 12662: Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference settings... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4ceeb38de27a1751a489719032befae66fc5e0> 17:55 JesseM LOL 17:40 oleonard http://cdn.arwrath.com/3/320975.gif 17:38 oleonard Me: "Here is a new feature where you can..." Librarians: "OH MY GOD THE DATE FORMAT IS DIFFERENT." 17:38 oleonard Preparing screenshots of my test system would be a lot easier if I didn't have to make sure that EVERYTHING looks EXACTLY like our production system. Otherwise they'll latch on to the tiniest difference and focus only on that. 17:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7462 - duplicate patron shows flags <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=509da0289c283f24f704cc461d052651600bdc0a> / Bug 10155: Patron search should remember search type options selected <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=207756c00107360c207b893a6ae13e940195b6b3> / Bug 7237 - duplicating patron not using patron's branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko 16:13 ashimema hi mtompset 16:13 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 16:13 ashimema @later tell pianohacker give me a bell when your about mate.. want to clarify a few shib bits related to your auto-provisioning stuff 16:13 mtompset Greetings, ashimema. 16:05 huginn ashimema: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pianohacker> hi rangi 16:05 ashimema @seen pianohacker 15:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11905 - when editing item, cursor is positioning in search box and not to item <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ea58cbe4968d08e3653cf8d712e55f5e780d703> / Bug 11888: Random password suggestion does not work twice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c62e53bb972bf8f200bbf3c693b3089ebc721fda> 15:06 tcohen older Perl versions might have had a fixed seed, or no randomization at all 15:05 tcohen the way hashes are ordered is not deterministic at all 15:04 mtompset tcohen: You mean the way hashes are ordered isn't deterministic and the same across Perl versions? 14:53 * tcohen would like to know which the rnd for hash order randomization in Perl 5.18 is 14:52 tcohen yay! for the first time the QueryParser tests passed for Ubuntu 14.04 14:45 mtompset It's a Koha Philippines group. :) 14:45 mtompset Seeing as some people are on facebook. I thought I'd point out a new group I was directed to: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470467196524189/ 14:44 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:30 cait tcohen: we filled up your queue again :P 14:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12654 Correct incorrectly quoted regexp <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=61440fab138cf4d05491cb0b1af6b2aebc50a13c> / Bug 12661: Fixing capitalisation from "Item Type" to "Item type" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41506ab0b52542682011f774b9ea9f0a089b3123> / Bug 9221 - contact note not showing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h 14:20 cait hi tcohen 14:19 tcohen hi cait 14:10 cait ashimema: yep now again 14:10 cait khall: ping :) 13:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12615: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from marc_subfields_structure.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e31add0b7b27a257b6ef94fd6598114c55a582cd> / Bug 12487 [QA Followup] - GetContract must return undef with no params <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f7e38f3b762ce830224c985a16847474fe23aac> / Bug 12487: SQLHelper replacement - C4::Contract <http://git.koha-co 13:49 ashimema cait: around? 12:58 paul_p cait will do (it's a norwegian language problem...) 12:58 paul_p really ? I didn't even knew he was pregnant :D :D 12:58 cait paul_p: best to write him an email if you need something 12:58 cait paul_p: magnuse is on paternity leave 12:54 huginn paul_p: magnuse was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 1 second ago: * magnuse runs off 12:54 paul_p @seen magnuse 12:53 cait there are also 2 critical bugs in needs sign off 12:52 ashimema I love that theorum 12:50 matts (as stated in the Infinite monkey theorem : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem ) 12:50 jajm ashimema, tcohen, patch submitted 12:50 matts If we have enough time, any kind of monkeys will do the work 12:50 matts Not necessarily 12:49 cait clever monkeys? 12:49 matts Maybe we could hire monkeys 12:49 matts About 12631, it's not a feature, it's fixing a broken behavior ;) 12:48 cait yeah, we need hands everywhere... 12:47 ashimema we're stuck either way ;) 12:47 ashimema to be fair.. if the sign-off queue was smaller, then the signed-off queue would be large so the poor qa's would be the limiting factor instead. 12:46 cait and in needs qa are lots of good feature sthat take a lot of time to work through 12:46 cait but seriously, sign off queue is huge 12:46 ashimema then we could pause time for a while to go over the backlog 12:46 wahanui hmmm... cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously 12:46 cait or cloning? 12:46 ashimema or a time machine cait.. 12:45 * cait thinks we need more hands desperately ... and eyes of course 12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12631 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses 12:43 matts Just a reminder, I think no one took a look at bug 12631 yet... If anyone has the time, or the will, it will be greatly appreciated :) 12:42 tcohen s/ll/d/ 12:41 tcohen i'll just put it in db_dependent 12:41 tcohen but are mocking it 12:41 tcohen but we have a situation where we indeed need the DB 12:40 tcohen as i understand it, non db-dependent tests should exist to make sure no side effects take place when the DB is set 12:40 tcohen i'm still not sure what is the benefit 12:39 jajm ok 12:38 tcohen i'll push whatever test the QA team passes 12:38 tcohen jajm: yes, do what u prefer 12:37 jajm tcohen, can't we have both t/Auth_with_cas.t and t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t ? 12:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12398 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , CAS authentication not working 12:36 tcohen "_url_with_get_params should return URL without deleted parameters (Bug 12398)"); 12:36 tcohen "$opac_base_url/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl?bar=baz", 12:36 tcohen is(C4::Auth_with_cas::_url_with_get_params($cgi), 12:36 tcohen also, the test could look like 12:36 tcohen you could just do my $opac_base_url = C4::Context->preference('OpacBaseURL') // ''; 12:35 tcohen all db_dependent 12:35 tcohen my feeling is that we will write more tests soon for it 12:35 tcohen jajm: could you just move it to db_dependent? 12:34 oleonard Hi everyone 12:33 tcohen jajm++ 12:33 ashimema awesome.. jajm++ 12:33 tcohen ah, that'd be great 12:32 jajm tcohen, i can rewrite patch with syspref mock if you want 12:32 ashimema easier to write, but harder to consistently test 12:31 ashimema i 'hate' db dependant tests ;) 12:31 ashimema if at all possible.. i prefer to mock the db,pref and config stuff myself ;) 12:31 ashimema assume he's mocking those though? 12:30 tcohen jajm's needs access to sysprefs actually 12:30 cait hm? 12:30 ashimema it's coming in thick and fast at the moment 12:30 cait because that breaks the build 12:30 cait right eythian wants us to watch our for tests in t - making sure they really don't need a dbb 12:29 ashimema i've not looked yet.. just wanted to make sure you'd caught up before ploughing into work ;) 12:29 ashimema great.. 12:29 tcohen yes 12:29 ashimema did you spot jajm's one in the bug? 12:29 cait morning tcohen :) 12:29 tcohen the cas one 12:28 tcohen i'm about to rewrite the test in t/db_dependent/ 12:27 ashimema morning tcohen 12:25 tcohen morning #kohaq 12:20 matts thx for the test, jajm 12:11 fridolin cait: 12:11 fridolin good morning cati 12:10 ashimema cheers.. 12:10 ashimema jajm++ 12:10 cait jajm++ 12:10 cait morning fridolin and francharb 12:09 huginn 04Bug 12398: critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , CAS authentication not working 12:09 jajm cait, ashimema, the test for CAS is out \o/ http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12398#c16 (took me a while to figure out how to test this...) 11:50 francharb Good morning 11:34 fridolin hie all 11:03 cait matts++ ashimema++ cooperation++ :) 10:40 matts :) 10:39 ashimema matts++ for spotting a couple of glaring errors in my shib documentation and one glaring error in the implementation. 10:36 cait lunch time bbiab 10:25 cait ashimema: oooh 10:19 ashimema will move to private chat.. sure not everyone wnats to hear my ranting ;) 10:18 ashimema in short.. it 'should' 'do the right thing' 10:18 ashimema However.. there are caviats with that.. in that your have to setup single sign out correctyl at the IdP and SP ends outside of koha first. 10:17 ashimema it's obviosly only enabled when shibboleth is enabled.. but when shibobleth is enabled it is always enabled as part of it yes.. 10:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9000 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP 10:17 khall thanks to everyone ( ashimema, bkriegel, tcohen ) involved with getting bug 9000. That's definitely a personal record for me! Submitted one day, pushed to master the next! 10:17 ashimema interesting question matts 10:16 ashimema morning khall 10:16 ashimema i'm back 10:16 ashimema right.. 10:15 khall mornin cait! mornin all! 09:52 cait hi khall :) 09:39 ashimema indeed ;) 09:38 matts ah... customers ! :) 09:38 ashimema be with you in a tic matts.. in a call with a customer at the second. 09:37 cait i hope he will be back soon 09:37 cait :) 09:36 matts and could you explain a bit more what <categorycode> is used for in koha-conf.xml ? It is unclear to me... 09:30 matts ashimema, is the shib single sign out always enabled, or is there a config option ? 08:21 ashimema http://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IHERTFOR21 08:21 ashimema looks like my local weather has gone offline.. I see why it's not working now. 08:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 08:21 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:21 ashimema ack.. 08:21 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. 08:21 ashimema @wunder 51.911 -0.186 08:20 ashimema Yeah.. lots on confusion over that bug. 08:20 cait the intention was to make it easier for testers 08:20 cait probably it was me - because i noted that it expected a different setting 08:19 cait :) 08:18 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. 08:18 ashimema @wunder 51.925, -0.160 08:17 ashimema excellent news.. I'm usre that will make tcohen happy ;) 08:17 ashimema hmm.. I thought wunder could cope with lat and long. 08:17 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. 08:17 ashimema @wunder 51.925076, -0.160660 08:17 huginn atheia: The current temperature in Brussels, Belgium is 18.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 08:17 matts and as for the test, jajm will write one today hopefully 08:17 atheia @wunder brussels, belgium 08:16 ashimema sorry mate.. didn't mean to hold the patch back.. i misread to start with.. 08:16 matts I totally agree: opacbaseurl stuff should be discussed somewhere else 08:16 ashimema :) 08:16 matts ashimema, just read your comment 08:16 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. 08:16 ashimema @wunder great ashby, uk 08:16 ashimema hmm.. looks like my local whether station no longer gets top hit in wunder 08:15 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 18.6°C (9:15 AM BST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 08:15 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 08:15 ashimema morning atheia 08:15 atheia morning all! 08:15 ashimema I think he's working on regression tests for it and trying to prove to himself that the patch fixes the problem directly rather than coincidentally. 08:14 ashimema In Tomas's words.. it's not he OPACBaseURL stuff holding it back.. 08:13 ashimema matts, I've tried clarifying Tomas's main point on the CAS patch. Apologies, I think it was me that sent that bug off on a tangent by not fully reading Tomas's first comment. 08:01 cait morning ashimema 08:00 ashimema morning cait 08:00 ashimema morning matts 07:59 ashimema morning #koha 07:41 cait yes 07:31 matts cait, around ? 07:06 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B 07:06 gaetan_B hello 07:00 alex_a salut dcook 06:59 dcook salut alex_a 06:59 * dcook looks at more horrifying webpages 06:56 alex_a bonjour 06:46 * dcook pushes his brains back into his head through his ear 06:44 * dcook glares at IE7 06:44 dcook But of course... 06:44 dcook "margin-left:0px;" 06:36 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:36 dcook @later tell cait This one is for DSpace :/. I think my brain is going to leak out of my ear. It's rather mind-boggling. 06:31 cait bbiab 06:31 cait dcook++ 06:31 cait dcook: glad someone works outhow to fix ie bugs 06:29 dcook Oh, IE7. Why you make me so crazy... 05:43 dpk I think I fixed it. 05:38 dpk Looking at kohastructure.sql... 05:37 dpk can someone show me what "show index from biblioitems;" shows for a system running 3.16.02? 05:31 dcook later eythian 05:31 * eythian has to go now, later all. 05:31 eythian if in doubt, look in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql 05:30 dpk I don't know what that column is supposed to be… 05:30 cait i don't like super warm weather, so it's not that bad fo rme 05:30 dcook Nothing is as it should be! 05:30 * dcook also just ate lunch is already hungry again 05:30 dcook :/ 05:29 cait but currently we are getting los of rain 05:29 cait supposed t obe summer here 05:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (7:25 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 05:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:28 dcook Not that I'm complaining 05:28 dcook I think it's supposed to be winter here... 05:28 * dcook consults the internet 05:28 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (3:00 PM EST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 05:28 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 05:27 dpk So now we're down to the wonky ISSN stuff. Let do a show columns on the biblioitems table 05:26 cait ew 05:25 eythian in that case, it's probably OK 05:25 eythian yeah, that would be expected 05:25 eythian ahh 05:23 dpk Looks like I already have collections_tracking_id int(11). 05:23 eythian what huginn isn't telling you is the wind gusting to 70kph 05:23 eythian ug. I have to bike across town. 05:23 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 05:23 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:23 cait morning eythian 05:16 eythian hi cait 05:08 eythian That should have been added way back in 3.01, I don't know why you don't have it. 05:07 eythian you may need to add it. 05:07 eythian and that ctId thing 05:07 eythian it really just seems to be the indexes around biblioitems.issn that're the issue 05:06 eythian In that case, I'd have a look in updatedatabase.pl at the lines mentioned, and then check the schema in the actual database to see if it now matches. If it doesn't, make it match :) 05:04 dpk I can do some basics. 05:04 eythian Are you familiar with SQL? 05:04 eythian I don't understand why the issn one is happening, it drops the index immediately previously. 05:03 dpk So what's my next step? 05:03 eythian yeah, the second isn't OK either 05:02 eythian oh, the second may be OK too, hard to tell. 05:02 eythian the first and third are fine, but the rest are a bit dubious 05:01 eythian hmm 05:00 dpk some are not. http://pastebin.com/mdFZT9pD 04:56 eythian (also, if they're all "something already exists" type messages, you're fine.) 04:56 wahanui i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 04:56 eythian wahanui: paste 04:55 eythian put them in a pastebin and put the link here 04:55 eythian yes 04:55 dpk hi all. Just upgraded from 3.14.06 to 3.16.02 and there were 5 update errors on the DB. Is anyone here able to assess whether I need to worry about them? 03:55 mtj rangi, very cool ^^ 03:20 eythian http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2014/02/17/pid-preservation-society/ 03:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 03:00 rangi @later tell ashimema Colin's perl module is now in debian testing https://packages.qa.debian.org/libb/libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl.html 02:59 rangi sweet 02:58 eythian https://packages.qa.debian.org/libb/libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl.html <-- rangi, migrated into testing 01:58 mtj meh, just a little fixup needed 01:57 wizzyrea boo. 01:57 wizzyrea ohh, it was getting close too. 01:56 huginn 04Bug 6890: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , Add reserves to modification logging 01:56 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6890 01:56 mtj yep 01:55 mtj good spotting wiz 01:55 wizzyrea something like that 01:55 wizzyrea or add reserve modification to the bib modification logs 01:55 wizzyrea logging for hold queue modification 01:55 wizzyrea yeah, I filed a bug about that ages ago 01:55 mtj still... you could just add better logging for those 'hold' events, then run a weekly report to catch those users? 01:54 wizzyrea I'm pretty bitter about my public library too. 01:53 mtj the idea of admining (and/or developing) an ILS where your users are that badly behaved O_o 01:51 mtj wizzyrea: the weird twist to my story was that there was nasty sabotaging happening, between staff from 'rival' branches 01:46 * dcook is still bitter about his local public library 01:46 dcook Or...charge money for holds so that patrons stop using your library all together 01:46 dcook Although that sucks if you're not a regular library goer 01:45 dcook Or don't allow holds where items are on shelf 01:44 wizzyrea but people messing up the queuing can't really be avoided unless you simply don't allow it 01:44 wizzyrea you definitely don't want the system messing up the queuing. 01:44 wizzyrea it is and it isn't 01:43 dcook I suppose that's why some libraries don't allow holds where items are on shelf ;) 01:43 wizzyrea I think what we learn from this is that the hold queue isn't sacred really. 01:43 dcook Yep 01:43 dcook On one hand, there's a hold on it. On the other hand, they have retrieved the book. 01:43 wizzyrea and it seemed unfair to take the book out of that borrower's hand 01:43 dcook Righto 01:43 wizzyrea (yet) 01:43 wizzyrea (because, for example, the library hadn't pulled that item off of the shelf) 01:43 dcook That is a tough situation 01:42 wizzyrea mind, I had a library at NEKLS that would allow a borrower with a book in hand that they had gotten off the shelf issue an item even if it had a hold on it. 01:42 dcook Mind you, I guess you don't necessarily have librarians doing a lot of the checking out... 01:42 dcook :( 01:42 wizzyrea also there's a hold on it but I'll check it out to this person anyway 01:42 dcook btw 01:42 dcook It was horrible 01:42 dcook Reminds me of the 3 hour class we had on ethics... 01:41 wizzyrea or I don't like that person, I like this other person better, I'll rearrange this. 01:41 * dcook shudders 01:41 wizzyrea as in, I like this person so I'll bump them up 01:41 dcook (particularly to myself?) 01:41 dcook As in, there's a hold on it, but Imma check it out anyway? 01:41 wizzyrea cheating the hold queue is time honoured tradition in libraries. 01:41 wizzyrea the patron search has gotten a lot better in this regard. 01:40 dcook mtj: Right, I just don't understand how they'd cheat the holds queue :S. Librarians are an interesting breed though. 01:40 dcook wizzyrea: Totes 01:40 dcook If you have 5 instances, you need to do patron management 5 times 01:40 wizzyrea I can see your borrowers? I can edit them? I can not see them at all? 01:40 dcook Ah, right, borrowers...that's another annoyance 01:39 wizzyrea same, borrowers? 01:39 dcook There isn't really a spec for it 01:39 wizzyrea independent = I can't see the others items? or I can see them but not edit them? or can only edit certain fields? 01:39 dcook rangi: Agreed. That's one of the reasons I dislike having the preference there to begin with 01:39 mtj dcook: not on a koha system here... just some random ILS 01:39 rangi is never gonna result in something anyone is happy with 01:38 rangi but this wave your arms and say independent 01:38 wizzyrea etc 01:38 wizzyrea the usuall kind of hold queue nonsense I'd reckon, bumping their pet borrowers to the top 01:38 mtj they would reshuffle the holds queue... somehow 01:38 dcook Many meetings 01:38 rangi or, they could spec it out, how they want it actually work and people could build it 01:38 dcook wizzyrea: If it's a library, there are meetings 01:38 wizzyrea that assumes you have meetings. 01:38 dcook But how? 01:38 mtj well, just cheated really dcook :) 01:37 dcook mtj: "gamed"? 01:37 wizzyrea peer pressure at the system meeting is remarkably effective at curbing that. 01:37 rangi for authorities once a year if that 01:37 dcook fully re-index 01:37 dcook I suppose you only need to re-index on occasion 01:37 dcook rangi: There's only so much time to index though 01:37 mtj i remember the 1st time a librarian explained to me that staff on other branches 'gamed' the holds queue on certain items 01:37 rangi disk is cheap 01:37 dcook Seems a bit inefficient 01:37 rangi yep 01:36 dcook And install 5 databases of 600,000+ MeSH authorities? 01:36 rangi done 01:36 wizzyrea ^^^ 01:36 rangi run 5 instances 01:36 rangi install packages 01:36 rangi if you really want independence 01:36 wizzyrea that way be dragons 01:36 * dcook is a bit terrified of learning management systems 01:36 wizzyrea there is a system built around people problems if I've ever seen one and the rules are madness. 01:35 wizzyrea if you have ever looked at moodle permissions 01:35 rangi because everyone has different levels of trust in their workmates 01:35 dcook I'd say also fear of accidents 01:35 rangi thats what makes it so hard to build 01:35 * dcook ponders 01:35 mtj i think i agree rangi 01:35 wizzyrea ^^^ 01:35 rangi i cant trust my colleagues, please make it so they cant do things i think they shouldn't 01:34 rangi the whole idea of independent branches is a people problem 01:34 wizzyrea jsut ought to get their own koha. 01:34 dcook I don't think there's an easy technical solution as people policy varies too much. 01:34 wizzyrea I think libraries that want to do it like that 01:34 dcook I'm willing to say it's a problem :p 01:33 dcook There are a few holes in the independence as it presents itself 01:33 wizzyrea it's a technical problem because the people can't behave themselves. 01:33 rangi its a technical solution to a people problem 01:33 dcook I'd say both 01:33 dcook Well... 01:33 rangi *nod* 01:33 wizzyrea and, it's not a technical problem, it's a people problem. 01:33 wizzyrea that. so much that. 01:32 rangi and we will tell you if its wrong 01:32 wizzyrea ^^^^^ 01:32 rangi try and guess 01:32 rangi but we cant tell you what we actually mean 01:32 wizzyrea SHARE ALL THE THINGS 01:32 rangi oohhh we didnt mean actually independent 01:32 rangi then everyone was all 01:32 rangi yeah it was more independent the first time round 01:32 wizzyrea and people who tried, gave up. 01:32 wizzyrea well it turned out that nobody actually used it that way 01:31 * dcook nods 01:31 eythian it's not very thoroughly implemented, I'm given to understand. 01:31 dcook Actually, even with IndependentBranches turned on, there is a lot of... well...lack of independence 01:30 mtj (i just ask, in case) 01:30 mtj dcook: me too :) 01:29 mtj ie: stop users from branch-A, to view/edit bibs from branch-B 01:29 dcook Not that I know of 01:27 mtj ...ive taken a quick look about, but cant see any option to do this (in 3.14.x) 01:26 mtj peeps.. anyone know if its possible to restrict r/w access to a branches bibs/items - for a user category? 00:25 mtj a bit more, for the curious -> https://securelist.com/blog/virus-watch/65192/elasticsearch-vuln-abuse-on-amazon-cloud-and-more-for-ddos-and-profit/ 00:23 mtj ' They said that the attackers modified publicly available proof-of-concept exploit code for CVE-2014-3120 and used it to install a Perl-based Web shell ' 00:23 eythian i.e. you drop it on something and then you can interact with it via a network port to control the machine 00:23 mtj ah yep, just spotted that too... 00:22 eythian it's a perl web shell 00:22 mtj so true too 00:21 mtj lol, awesome response 00:21 mtj i wonder what is Backdoor.Perl.RShell.c 00:21 eythian yeah, you could write that headline as "people don't patch and firewall properly, get owned." 00:20 mtj http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/hackers-seed-amazon-cloud-with-potent-denial-of-service-bots/ 00:20 mtj i just spotted this in my newsfeed... 00:20 mtj heya eythian 00:07 eythian hi