IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-17

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00:14 dcook bug 11349
00:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11349 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove .tmpl -> .tt translation
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01:51 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:51 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (1:30 PM NZST on July 17, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
01:51 eythian "Scattered Clouds" my butt
02:07 eythian <-- the future
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03:11 dcook Hmm, I don't think issues.issuingbranch is a thing anymore...
03:11 dcook Unless I'm missing something, it seems to never be used
03:11 dcook Except I have data that says that it does...
03:11 * dcook wonders if that's from a third-party app...
03:12 dcook Mmm, I'm thinking yes...not part of Koha..
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04:11 eythian
04:12 eythian make sure you watch past 1:30
04:14 * wizzyrea flags that for later
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04:43 * dcook takes a look at and shudders
04:44 * cait waves
04:44 dcook heya cait, irma
04:47 eythian hi cait
04:47 cait hi eythian and dcook
04:47 eythian there seems to only be one child left.
04:55 rangi Francesca: <li class="current_page_item"></li>
04:56 * cait waves at rangi too
04:56 rangi hey cait
05:29 dcook self: "Why isn't that email address updating!?"
05:29 dcook dcook: "It's probably because you commented out that code."
05:30 dcook self: "Oh...yeah...that would do it..."
05:30 eythian man, I'm never that helpful to myself
05:30 dcook We like working as a team :D
05:32 dcook eythian: How is ElasticSearch going?
05:32 eythian temorarily on hold while I work on a migration
05:33 dcook Same one as before or new one?
05:33 eythian I'm not sure
05:33 * dcook says with no real reference at all to "before"
05:33 eythian they all blend into one
05:33 dcook MARC is a bit traumatic
05:33 eythian right now I'm working on a talk that I'm giving tomorrow
05:33 eythian yeah, it is
05:33 dcook Sweet. What are you going to talk about?
05:34 eythian how GPG and debian packaging interact
05:34 eythian dry, but short :)
05:34 eythian but I need to do a lot of research to make sure I'm saying correct things
05:36 dcook Mmm, that's always handy
05:36 dcook Truth is good
05:38 eythian discovered a few points where things work differently to what I thought
05:41 dcook Ain't that always the way
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06:33 ashimema Morning..
06:33 wahanui i heard morning was a state of the cait
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06:39 reiveune hello
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06:47 marcelr hi #koha
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06:55 cait good morning #koha
06:56 marcelr hi cait
06:56 cait hi marcelr :)
06:56 cait i saw you are working on sru again, that's nice
06:57 marcelr :)
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:01 cait bonjour alex_a
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07:07 petter hello koha
07:07 cait hi yohann and hi petter :)
07:07 yohann hi cait
07:07 petter hi cait!
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07:22 petter Any Biblibre people here?
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07:33 cait Joubu: ping?
07:33 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities.[…]oks/dp/0448421658
07:33 Joubu petter: yep
07:34 petter So I was wondering about koha-restful
07:34 petter What are your plans?
07:34 petter Will it be included in Koha?
07:35 petter The reason I'm asking is because I though to add some functionality to the svc endpoint, but I think koha-restull is a much better basis to build on
07:36 cait not sure it counts... but i'd love to see the svc extended as we use it for ILL :)
07:36 petter sure, but wouldnt it be better to ditch svc in favor for koha-restfull?
07:37 petter its much more complete and has a good organization
07:37 petter which can easily be expanded
07:38 cait I haven't taken a look at it yet, so that's better questions for Joubu i think
07:38 cait my only worry is that it's separate from Koha righ tnow, so not sure how up to date and if it needs to get updated with changes made etc.
07:39 petter yes that's a valid concern off course
07:39 petter but unless svc it actually has test coverage :)
07:40 Joubu petter: we don't plan to include koha-resful in Koha
07:40 petter ok, good to know
07:40 cait not sure, could it move to the standard repo, contribs or the like maybe?
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07:41 Joubu petter: there are some reasons: 1/ it's only tested on 3.10 and 3.12. 2/ There are not enought unit test to prove it will work for all futur versions
07:41 gaetan_B hello
07:41 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
07:41 Joubu 3/ It is quite difficult to integrate stuff in master (delay, rebase, etc.)
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07:41 petter sure
07:42 petter So how do you use koha-restfull?
07:42 petter In cojunction with Drupal?
07:44 Joubu petter: with weeke, booke and others applications needing Koha's information.
07:46 petter so you will likely continue to maintain it and update it?
07:46 Joubu petter: if you have patches, you can sent them to someone at BibLibre, jajm will have a look
07:47 Joubu petter: yes, of course. We use it!
07:47 petter Great, good to know :)
07:48 petter I'm just evaluating it now, I haven't started doing anything yet
07:48 Joubu (s/booke/bokeh)
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08:40 cait does someone know if it's possible that an item on the shelf goes directly into waiting status?
08:41 cait i thought we had a pref, but can't find it
08:45 cait i think i foudn the one i was thining about
08:45 cait Reseveneedsreturn
08:45 cait s
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10:54 marcelr bug 6536 is ready for takeoff
10:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---,, Needs Signoff , Z3950 Search Enhancements: SRU targets and additional XSLT processing
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11:00 cait marcelr++
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11:08 cait @quote get 123
11:08 wahanui
11:08 huginn cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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12:52 tcohen mrning
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13:05 rhcl It's morning
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13:09 nengard hi all
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13:15 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 marcelr hi oleonard
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13:26 tcohen @seen dpavlin
13:26 huginn tcohen: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 17 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <dpavlin> on current master, it seems that zebra search in opac dies with ZOOM error 20003 "can't set prefix query" - is there existing bug for that?
13:26 tcohen hm
13:29 Joubu oleonard: do you think you could find some time to test/so bug 10212?
13:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables
13:40 Joubu Does someone know why aqorders.budget_id is not linked (FK) to aqbudget.budget_id?
13:40 Joubu IMO it should
13:40 Joubu (it's mandatory in the interface, on creating an order)
13:41 Joubu but maybe it is archeological
13:43 nengard seems like an oversight ...
13:44 Joubu nengard: but I have some "0" for aqorders.budget_id in my DB test
13:44 Joubu but not sure it's relevant, since I used it for testing
13:45 Joubu I am going to check on a production machine
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14:06 oleonard Joubu: Yes
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14:24 tcohen is it possible to make bugzilla show "Bug #: " instead of "Bug # - # ?
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14:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11349: (qa follow-up) Fix pod <[…]dc02107aa28c7a543> / Bug 11349: Make the QA script happy <[…]b3f5cb34ce7633286> / Bug 11349: Remove unnecesary name translation <[…]5fa4082e8bbe1a221
14:26 tcohen bye bye tmpl
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14:47 oleonard There is a certain non-ascii character (or characters?) which, when found in an item record, causes the detail page to crash (Error 500)
14:48 oleonard[…]blionumber=152618
14:48 oleonard Has anyone run across this before?
14:49 oleonard In my system I find it in itemcallnumber. It shows up as one of those weird character boxes.
14:49 nengard I saw it on a bib record
14:49 nengard it was a /
14:49 nengard which isn't non-ascii ....
14:50 nengard wait it was a \
14:50 nengard sorry ... so tired this week
14:51 tcohen oleonard: logs?
14:51 wahanui rumour has it logs is
14:52 oleonard tcohen: I'll see if I can reproduce it in my test system
14:52 tcohen oleonard: it happened to us once, a library used '&' in the itemcallnumber
14:52 tcohen and it broke
14:52 oleonard Looks like it might be this:
14:53 tcohen don't see it
14:54 oleonard If I try to manually edit an item record to add that character the add item process fails: :18: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 30
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14:55 tcohen so, two bugs
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14:56 * cait-m__ waves from the airport
14:59 oleonard Where are you going cait-m__ ?
14:59 cait-m__ koha workshop with a library
15:00 cait-m__ answering questions mostly :)
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15:06 tcohen cait-m__: hi :-D how is it going?
15:06 cait-m__ its tomorrow
15:06 cait-m__ travelling this afternoon
15:06 tcohen good luck
15:07 cait-m__ thx :)
15:09 cait-m__ tcohen: arent you on vacation?
15:09 tcohen why? :-)
15:10 cait-m__ bec you said so :)
15:11 tcohen i am
15:12 cait-m__ :)
15:12 * druthb waves to cait-m__
15:12 * druthb waves to tcohen, who shouldn't be here, too.
15:13 tcohen hi druthb
15:14 nengard hiya druthb and all i missed
15:14 * druthb waves to nengard, and goes back to writing unit tests.
15:14 liw druthb++ (unit tests are almost as heart-warming as backups)
15:15 druthb You know, writing unit tests is like hitting your hand with a hammer, over and over.  It feels so very good to *stop*.
15:15 tcohen we all love unit tests
15:15 tcohen (not writing them, but having them :-P)
15:15 druthb liw: You'd like it even more if I was writing unit tests for *Koha.*   But I'm not.
15:16 liw I like writing unit tests, but only if I'm writing them for a clean code base and for code that doesn't exist yet, or changes to be made; writing unit tests afterwards is like trying to drink the Empire State Building
15:17 tcohen heh
15:17 cait-m__ :)
15:17 druthb s/Building/Building, through a skinny, skinny straw/;
15:18 cait-m__ dont discourage devs plz :)
15:18 druthb I'm writing unit tests on a 17-year-old codebase that was, in fact, originally developed by a 15-year-old. Who is now the 32-year old CEO of the company.  Much pain and suffering.
15:19 liw druthb: ah, you have a chaser of Iceland, I see
15:20 druthb yep.
15:20 * jcamins is writing unit tests, then writing code that will pass it.
15:20 jcamins *them
15:20 jcamins It's glorious.
15:21 jcamins Sure, the code doesn't do anything useful right now because all it does is pass unit tests, but there's a wonderful feeling of accomplishment as the red 'x's turn into green 'o's.
15:21 tcohen its awesome
15:25 cait-m__ :)
15:27 cait-m__ boarding
15:28 reiveune bye
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15:36 gaetan_B bye!
15:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12592 - Minor correction for C4::DelBiblio documentation <[…]4555f6a2f4e817587>
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15:58 tcohen petter++
16:04 jcamins I think from now on I'll listen to quickstep music when writing unit tests.
16:12 tcohen jcamins: good idea
16:31 Dyrcona jcamins: At least you didn't write the tests so that they always pass, right? ;)
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17:35 jcamins Dyrcona: darn, that was a missed opportunity for feeling good about myself!
17:41 Dyrcona :)
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17:50 * cait-m__ waves again
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19:06 oleonard If a sub-language is chosen the menu doesn't indicate which translation is active. Should it?
19:06 oleonard
19:07 jcamins oleonard: isn't that the bug you just closed?
19:07 oleonard No, the bug I just closed was for a problem where it always said "en-GB" no matter which English sublanguage was chosen
19:09 jcamins Oh, I see what you mean.
19:09 jcamins It took two minutes for the screenshot to load.
19:09 jcamins I'd think it should.
19:11 oleonard I wonder how
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20:50 * cait waves
21:10 cait bag: around?
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21:15 wizzyrea oleonard - we've seen crashy records with non-ascii characters as well
21:15 wizzyrea usually it comes from copy/pasting from word
21:16 cait hi wizzyrea  :)
21:16 wizzyrea hi
21:17 eternalsword where should one look to debug z39.50 lookups? from koha to LoC. I have an older system that works ( and a newer that shows no results (
21:17 cait are both targets set up the same?
21:17 eternalsword same LoC configuration.
21:17 cait administration > z39.50 targets
21:18 wizzyrea you can use yaz client to see if you can connect to the target from the command line
21:18 wizzyrea if it doesn't work there, it won't work from koha
21:18 wizzyrea yaz-client
21:19 eternalsword yaz client connected fine. how would I do a lookup to test?
21:20 wizzyrea base LCDB
21:20 wizzyrea then f your query
21:21 wizzyrea if all of that works, then you probably have a typo or a space in your z39.50 definitions in Administration -> z39.50 targets
21:21 wizzyrea or it's unimarc instead of marc21
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21:21 wizzyrea or something like that
21:22 cait sometimes also firewall
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21:22 cait because of unusual ports
21:22 wizzyrea yep, also firewall
21:23 wizzyrea though I'm having trouble currently with LoC
21:23 wizzyrea from one I know works.
21:23 wizzyrea it might be buste.d
21:25 wizzyrea also if you have, it's probably wrong, because they've changed the target (I just looked it up)
21:25 wizzyrea so try
21:25 wizzyrea which is working just fine.
21:29 * wizzyrea stops her nattering
21:31 eternalsword okay, yaz-client works on both machines. koha works on one machine. identical configuration.
21:31 wizzyrea then it's probably a typo or a firewall rule ;)
21:32 wizzyrea more likely a firewall rule at this point.
21:32 wizzyrea though I'm not sure how.
21:32 wizzyrea since it works from the command line,
21:32 tcohen typo
21:32 wizzyrea ^ is what I meant
21:32 wizzyrea it's still earlyish here.
21:32 eternalsword not a typo. this is a migrated database.
21:33 wizzyrea did you double check? spaces can be insidious little buggers.
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21:35 eternalsword no extra spaces.
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21:35 eternalsword is there a debug flag I can throw?
21:39 cait you can check if there is something int he logs
21:40 wizzyrea yeah the intranet error log might tell you something
21:43 eternalsword looks like this gets thrown. Use of uninitialized value in string ne at C4/ line 750
21:44 eternalsword looks like ne is supposed to be "not equal" not a variable. my perl is rusty and it was bad before.
21:45 eternalsword I am using starman & plack on the new system. Wonder if it's a quirk.
21:46 tcohen eternalsword: can u use yaz-client from the command line in the Koha server to successfuly reach the z39.50 target?
21:46 eternalsword yes.
21:46 tcohen and Koha sits in the same server
21:47 eternalsword yes.
21:47 tcohen those "uninitialized" warnings are harmless
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21:49 eternalsword this is one of those issues that makes me want to smash something.
21:49 * tcohen agrees
21:50 tcohen i'll look at the IRC logs as I dont' know what the error message ir
21:50 tcohen is
21:50 cait good nigth all
21:50 eternalsword there's no error message. Just shows no results found when there should be results.
21:50 wizzyrea his issue is ^
21:51 wizzyrea what is the LoC hostname you are connecting to
21:51 eternalsword
21:51 wizzyrea that should be right
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21:53 eternalsword Database: LCDB, Checked: Yes, Rank: 1, Syntax: USMARC, Encoding: utf8, Timeout: 0, Record type: biblio
21:53 wizzyrea yep seems right
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21:55 eternalsword could I be missing perl bindings or something?
21:56 eternalsword I would think that would definitely throw error though.
21:56 wizzyrea in more -> about koha, click the modules tab
21:56 wizzyrea are you missing any?
21:57 eternalsword only the optional Readonly::XS
21:57 wizzyrea not that then.
22:02 wizzyrea brb have to reboot
22:03 * wizzyrea mutters about ubuntu ubdates that require a reboot... it isn't *&(^%**& windows.
22:03 eythian_ Only the kernel and dbus require a reboot
22:05 eternalsword although sometimes it's faster to reboot than to figure out all the services that need to be restarted.
22:06 eternalsword well, think I'll tackle this issue tomorrow. If anyone has any ideas, just address them to me. I'll either see them in the log or more likely in my scrollback buffer.
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