IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-14

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00:07 Dyrcona Whee! Three hundred eight lines of code (including comments)  just to initialize itself.
00:11 * dcook was also wondering why Koha has a "street number" field
00:13 rangi makes localising easier
00:13 rangi some places do road first, number after
00:14 dcook O_o
00:14 dcook Actually, that makes a certain amount of sense...
00:14 dcook Hm
00:15 * dcook loves when he encounters things that he considers "weird"...but are actually more logical than "normal".
00:15 dcook Mind you, I guess you read the address from the bottom up in a way
00:15 * dcook shuts up before he spirals into a monologue about addresses
00:16 rangi :)
00:23 eythian[…]ing-in-Hutt-River <-- not smart
00:23 rangi yeah
00:24 eythian dcook: it's not that unusal, parts of Europe do it that way (I know .nl does, possible .de too.)
00:24 dcook Yikes..
00:24 * dcook ponders
00:25 dcook France might too. I remember there being something different when I was writing French addresses...
00:25 dcook Nope
00:25 rangi yeah i think they do
00:25 dcook Not France
00:25 rangi ah no they just do the type first
00:25 dcook I think their post codes come before their city though
00:25 dcook type?
00:25 wahanui type is used for some things, like how to convert it when saving, and things like that.
00:25 eythian Yeah, France has the number first, then the street type
00:25 eythian "rue"
00:27 dcook Person NAME
00:27 dcook Building A
00:27 dcook 11 Rue du GENERAL DE GAULLE
00:27 dcook 74001 PARIS
00:27 dcook Everyone just has to be different...:p
00:28 dcook In Australia, we do: Street Number Street \n Suburb State Postcode \n Country
00:28 dcook In Canada, it's: Street Number Street \n City, Province \n Postcode \n Country
00:28 eythian I think here postcode goes after city, but we don't really use regions in addresses.
00:29 eythian (unless you're buying something from a place that insists you fill out the state box.)
00:29 dcook I've often wondered about point of putting city, province or suburb state if a postcode is there
00:30 eythian I presume redundancy
00:30 dcook As I imagined it's sorted via the code?
00:30 dcook Probably
00:30 dcook Of course, we still get mail for the house right next to us
00:30 dcook Even though our front yard is a disaster zone and theirs is immaculate with a very nice post box and big bright numbers
00:30 * dcook thinks the postal workers like to troll the neighbourhood
00:30 eythian heh
00:31 dcook We also get letters on top of our post box even when it's empty
00:31 dcook Or next to it
00:31 dcook Guess I can't give them too much of a hard time. It must be a back-breaking job at times...
00:32 eythian I think you need a better postie
00:32 dcook hehe
00:33 dcook I think we also need a better front yard...
00:34 eythian may also be an option.
03:19 BobB dcook 'postal worker' is one of the famous examples for oxymoron
03:19 BobB 'military intelligence' is the other one
03:20 BobB lunch now  :)
03:20 dcook ;)
03:24 eythian BobB: you missed "Microsoft Worksâ„¢"
03:25 eythian which I suppose is less of a joke now the product doesn't exist...
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04:48 * cait waves
04:49 eythian hi cait
04:49 cait hi eythian :)
04:51 cait dcook: i need more records in my database i think - thx for ocmmenting,...i will give it another try
04:52 dcook cait: no worries. I would try a really common word and see what happens
04:52 cait i did vary my searches a bit, but didn#t see much difference really
04:53 cait but ... i will again. this one is really confusing me.
04:53 dcook Me too. It should just work :/
04:58 cait eythian: can you test ldap things?
04:58 eythian not really
04:58 cait hm
04:59 cait i am still looking for someone to give 8148 another sign off so i can passit
05:01 eythian I've generally used prod servers to test LDAP, I don't have a testing one set up
05:01 eythian bug 8148
05:01 wahanui bug 8148 is kind of related
05:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Signed Off , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password
05:01 eythian I thought mtompsett has LDAP set up
05:02 dcook I think Bywater folk use LDAP
05:02 dcook They would probably be good people to ask
05:04 cait i will see if i can catch mtompset
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06:53 cait1 good morning #koha
07:18 dcook night time, cait1
07:19 cait1 good night dcook
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08:40 cait1 hi atheia, marcelr and ashimema
08:41 marcelr hi cait1 and #koha
08:43 atheia Good morning cait!
08:43 cait :)
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10:44 slef @later tell paul_p are you aware of #ifla #wlic2014 in Lyon in Aug?  Seems an odd time for a conference in FR (Aug is holidays, no?) but what do I know?
10:44 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
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10:52 marcelr hi khall: i submitted a followup for your qa suggestion
10:52 marcelr on bug 12265
10:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Improve Z39.50 servers administration (incl DBIx)
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11:35 tcohen morning!
11:35 wahanui i heard morning was a state of cat
11:39 marcelr hi tcohen
11:40 tcohen hi marcelr
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11:52 marcelr khall++
11:53 khall marcelr: thanks for the followup!
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12:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12534 - PROG/CCSR deprecation: Make getlanguages() theme independent for opac <[…]e9538f623ba945a18> / Bug 12470: (followup) License statement missing <[…]cd5616a325e03871a> / Bug 12470: adding unit tests for the routines CheckValidBarCode and CheckIfIssu
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12:09 francharb Good morning #koha
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12:16 tcohen morning francharb
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12:26 oleonard Hi everyone
12:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8773 - Start per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup <[…]ce3ab26dbadd1da22> / Bug 12265: [QA Follow-up] - Improve usage of find <[…]afb8d226c0ebf18ad> / Bug 12265: [QA Follow-up] Replace DBIx search by find <
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12:35 * cait waves
12:35 cait hi tcohen
12:36 tcohen hi cait, and congratulations!
12:36 cait thx! it was a loong game, I think either team could have won
12:36 cait but ... happy it was us :)
12:37 tcohen i, we weren't lucky enough, had our chaces
12:37 tcohen chances
12:37 tcohen but that's how this game is
12:38 cait yeah, but it was a good game
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13:04 oleonard Bonne fête Nationale to all my French friends
13:05 tcohen :-D
13:05 * oleonard supposes many are not around to hear it
13:07 cait oleonard: I hope it was ok i closed the ccsr bugs?
13:07 oleonard cait: Yes. I hesitated because some could theoretically be fixed in stable. However, I doubt that will really happen.
13:08 cait i got a little worried that my bug closing frenzy went a bit too far
13:08 cait ah - i thought so too - noone is going to touch them really
13:08 cait and if somthing is really bad... someone might complain about closing those
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13:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:50 tcohen hi mtompset
13:50 mtompset oleonard: *ping*
13:50 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
13:50 oleonard Hi
13:50 wahanui salut, oleonard
13:50 mtompset Greeting, oleonard. I have a seriously delayed question for you regarding bug 11881
13:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11881 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Small improvements in OPAC results list.
13:51 mtompset How does "Wrap the individual library lines in a span which can be made "display:block" in custom CSS." apply to using a comma vs. a line break?
13:52 mtompset The line is identical except all the commas are replaced by <br /> instead of ,.
13:52 mtompset Wouldn't a system preference be better?
13:53 mtompset tcohen: Consolences on the loss. ;)
13:53 tcohen np
13:53 oleonard We already have too many system preferences. We don't need one for something like this.
13:54 oleonard Customization options are there for people to be able to make Koha work they way they want it to. Let's make the page structure work for this customization without foisting the proposed design on everyone.
13:56 tcohen +1
13:56 nengard oleonard I don't agree that we have 'too many' - the more we have the more options people have and I see that as a good thing ... just saying :)
13:56 nengard ^^ is not in reference to the bug - just in general
13:57 oleonard True nengard.
13:57 nengard :)
13:57 oleonard We have "too many" in the sense that it is cumbersome (I imagine) for a new library to sift through them all
13:57 nengard true
13:58 nengard that's why i do that for all our partners at training :) hehe
14:05 tcohen mtompset: will u work on a followup implementing oleonard's suggestions?
14:06 mtompset I agree we have too many to sift through for a new library.
14:06 mtompset I was thinking about it, since I don't like "Failed QA" associate with me. :P
14:07 tcohen i mean, add the spans so it can be achieved using just CSS
14:08 mtompset So would I <span>,<span><br> with the two spans being different classes?
14:08 mtompset (pseudo, not actual)
14:08 tcohen forget about the <br>
14:08 mtompset (too lazy to type </span>)
14:09 mtompset But the br is part of the reason the person put in the bug report.
14:09 oleonard You wrap the output you want on separate lines in a <span> with a special class.
14:09 tcohen the point of the span is that you can style it with display:block and have the same result
14:09 oleonard Then you style that class with "display:block" to make it go on its own line without a <br>
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14:09 tcohen mtompset: your's would be a followup that achieves the same, better
14:10 oleonard (actually you don't add any style at all, but make a note in the patch what style could be added if desired)
14:10 mtompset Right...
14:10 tcohen ^^^^^^^exactly
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14:18 mtompset oleonard: I can't get such a CSS to work.
14:19 oleonard Can you paste the template change you're testing with?
14:19 mtompset I'm trying a general case without code changes.
14:19 ashimema jumping in on the 'too many sysprefs' row.
14:19 mtompset Hard coded \n's always become same line whitespace.
14:20 oleonard Why are we talking about \n's mtompset?
14:20 ashimema I'de like to see a stricter rule on what prefs are librarian changable i.e. from the staff cleint, and what prefs are admin changable.. i.e. in the conf.xml file.
14:20 mtompset because I thought we were having no brs.
14:21 oleonard No brs no \ns
14:21 tcohen mtompset: a good dample would be <span class="brd">Something1</span><span class="brd">Something2</span>
14:21 ashimema <p><span>line1</span><span>line2</span></p> like
14:21 ashimema lol.. what he said.
14:22 ashimema then in css you could just put ".brd { display: block; }"
14:22 ashimema for tcohen's example.
14:22 tcohen :-D
14:22 ashimema team work ;)
14:22 tcohen \o/
14:23 mtompset AH!
14:23 mtompset Got it, understand it, will implement it.
14:24 * ashimema envisions the light bulb above mtompset's head just getting so bright that it exploded
14:24 mtompset Exploding would mean that I suddenly didn't understand again. I do have those kind of moment, but this isn't one of them. :)
14:24 ashimema hehe
14:25 ashimema fair point
14:34 tcohen oleonard: do u have some schedule for submitting the patch that removes ccsr and prog?
14:34 oleonard Soon? :)
14:34 tcohen awesome
14:35 tcohen several dependent ones are already passed-qa
14:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11744: Add regression tests <[…]2efae5c2bd91c1fb1> / Bug 11744: A receipt should not be cancelled if holds exist <[…]8af43cc8bf8e5e19b> / Bug 11744: Cancel a receipt does not delete items created on receiving <
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15:20 tcohen north hemisphere == holiday?
15:25 oleonard Not here in USA
15:27 oleonard In France I think. Germany is probably just hung over (not cait of course :) )
15:30 tcohen heh
15:35 mtompset Well, the prog-side of the patch is done, but untested. :)
15:35 tcohen mtompset++
15:36 mtompset Not sure people will like "CommasWithLinebreaks" as a class name. ;)
15:37 tcohen xslt-callnumber?
15:38 oleonard mtompset: I don't. The class name should refer to what it wraps, not what you want it to do.
15:39 mtompset The problem is it wraps more than just the call number.
15:39 oleonard Other people might want to use the class name as a hook to style it in another way, with color or font
15:39 mtompset LabelCallNumber was the other class name I went with.
15:40 mtompset But I suppose xslt-callnumber might be an okay rename for the latter.
15:42 tcohen now we are removing non-xslt view, maybe detail-callnumber
15:44 mtompset item-details, item-callnumber?
15:44 tcohen stuff wrapped + context
15:45 tcohen swap(stuff, wrapped)
15:45 mtompset itemdetails-results?
15:45 mtompset results-itemdetails?
15:46 mtompset Because these are the item details displayed in the OPAC search results.
15:46 mtompset with the call number being a specific case of whether it is labelled or not.
15:55 tcohen mtompset: i see it wrong
15:56 mtompset I'm not sure what you mean.
15:56 tcohen my glasses are doing wrong
15:56 tcohen (kidding, it was an idiomatic mistake)
15:57 mtompset Beer googles again, tcohen? ;)
15:57 tcohen you're adding two spans
15:58 tcohen CommasWithLinebreaks which seems to wrap the whole thing
15:58 tcohen and LabelCallNumber
15:59 mtompset Yes.
15:59 mtompset The former, linebreaks (or not -- default), and the latter labels (or not-- default).
16:02 tcohen you should ask oleonard i guess
16:02 oleonard mtompset: You're working on this because it is a change your library would like to see?
16:02 tcohen i wouldn't change the default behaviour
16:03 mtompset No, I'm working on it, because I don't like failed QA beside my name. :P
16:13 tcohen mtompset: don't change the default, just add the spans
16:13 tcohen and i'm not sure we use CamelCase for class names
16:13 mtompset That's what the second patch is for, to keep the defaults. :)
16:16 * tcohen is happy jenkins is running *all* the tests now
16:17 mtompset is this related to your debian squeeze, wheezy, 12.04 and 14.04 thing a while back?
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16:18 tcohen not exactly
16:18 tcohen but somehow
16:19 tcohen the scripts that launch the unit tests (on all nodes) weren't covering all unit test files
16:21 mtompset Ah.
17:15 oleonard Shouldn't Bug 12561 depend on rather than block Bug 2619, 5229, etc.?
17:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
17:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2619 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Turning on XSLTResultsDisplay preference turns off item detail display
17:50 oleonard Oh hey thanks for not answering my question or talking at all while I was away y'all can talk again now.
17:51 mtompset Sorry. :)
17:51 mtompset In a bizzare kind of way, 2619 sounds related to 11881.
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18:00 mtompset I think you are correct, oleonard. I think the direction of dependency is wrong. 12561 requires a fix in the XSLT, before the non-XSLT in question for 2619 can be removed.
18:00 mtompset -- well, I didn't check if a fix is required, but you get the idea.
18:01 oleonard Thanks for looking mtompset I felt like I needed a sanity check
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18:38 * tcohen sends oleonard cookies (in the absense of cait)
18:40 oleonard Thanks tcohen :)
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19:05 cait oleonard++ :)
19:06 tcohen cait
19:06 tcohen does this look correct to you?
19:06 tcohen
19:06 tcohen (STALLED(0))
19:07 cait it depends
19:07 tcohen 10519
19:07 cait how does your authorizd value look like?
19:07 cait is the descriotion STALLED or the code?
19:07 cait i think it doensn't look wrong, but i am not sure what i am looking for
19:08 cait oh because the 0 shows up...
19:08 cait is that before and after the patch?
19:08 tcohen I'm using the default values, this is after the patch
19:09 tcohen (before, it was Unknown)
19:09 tcohen hm, it might be related to a suggestion i filled with the db user
19:09 cait hm i don't think htere is a default for the extra suggestion tabs
19:09 cait oh
19:09 cait i have never seen stalled
19:10 cait stalled is irritating me right now
19:10 cait i thought that was a custom one
19:12 tcohen is it the SUGGEST_STATUS one?
19:12 tcohen mine is empty, but I have a sample suggestion on the DB, with STALLED
19:12 tcohen ok
19:13 tcohen its t/db_dependent/Suggestions.t fault
19:14 tcohen it's
19:14 cait oh right
19:14 cait i complained abou tthat once :)
19:14 cait it doesn't clean up
19:14 cait and it uses a non-existant status
19:15 cait i guess the new code made it hsow up, as it looks for non-standard statues
19:15 cait
19:15 cait and yes, suggest_status allows you to make your own
19:20 tcohen cait, i'm writing a small followup for Suggestions.t and we're done
19:21 cait cool
19:21 cait thx tcohen
19:22 oleonard I keep having to fix Bug 12542 and Bug 11382
19:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12542 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Tabs inconsistency in different uses
19:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11382 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , patron left menu on purchase suggestions tab not showing all info
19:22 oleonard This thing with having both and has gone on too long
19:23 oleonard There must be a solution with some T:T wizardry that I have yet to master.
19:24 tcohen oleonard: my guess is that each .pl shouldn't be calculating what needs to tell .tt to show
19:24 tcohen and have some plugin tell instead
19:28 oleonard In the meantime I have a patch almost ready for Bug 12542
19:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12542 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Tabs inconsistency in different uses
19:29 * oleonard will have to finish it tomorrow
19:29 oleonard Bye #koha
19:31 tcohen bye!
19:32 cait ah.. now i was too slow agian
19:33 tcohen we'll see :-P
19:40 pianohacker hallo
19:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10519: (followup) unit tests leave problematic cruft <[…]9a4e7f7f6aa2c222e> / Bug 10519: (followup) Fix context for evalyating $borrowernumber <[…]27dcd46b0139b1055> / Bug 10519: Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken <h
19:47 tcohen bye #koha
19:55 pianohacker hi cait
19:56 cait hi pianohacker, bye khall_away :)
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22:21 eythian hi
22:21 wahanui hola, eythian
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22:47 rangi hey aleisha, got one to sign off, then have some easy bugs to fix if you want
22:47 rangi bug 9667
22:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9667 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Inventory scrolling to top with every click
22:52 rangi does it make sense?
22:56 aleisha yep
22:56 rangi sweet
23:02 aleisha rangi is it necessary to use a barcode file?
23:02 rangi hmm not sure
23:03 rangi i think you should be able to just type a few in
23:06 aleisha i dont think you can
23:06 rangi ahh bummer, then you might have to open gedit and put a few in a file and save that and use that as the barcode file
23:07 aleisha okay i'll try
23:07 wizzyrea select barcode from items where barcode is not null limit 10 -> add this to saved sql reports then you can just copy paste it from the result
23:08 wizzyrea into your file, that is
23:10 wizzyrea I guess I had not realised that the issue stats pages were largely untranslatable.
23:10 wizzyrea seems a biggish oversight.
23:10 wizzyrea but I can see why no one would want to touch that.
23:11 aleisha where can i find saved sql reports?
23:11 rangi in reports, if you go to the home page
23:12 aleisha cool thank you
23:16 rangi if its still not working, there might be no barcodes in there, in which case we can skip to something else
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23:16 wizzyrea could grab and import a marc file with some items on it, I have one
23:18 wizzyrea https://raw.githubusercontent.[…]master/MARC21.mrc
23:18 wizzyrea file -> save
23:18 wizzyrea then go to tools -> stage marc records for import
23:18 wizzyrea select that file
23:20 wizzyrea click "stage for import"
23:21 wizzyrea then click manage staged records
23:21 wizzyrea and click "import into catalogue"
23:21 wizzyrea then hopefully you'll have many things with items and barcodes in your catalogue
23:24 aleisha cool thanks heaps
23:25 wizzyrea nw
23:27 pianohacker bye all

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