| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
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dcook |
Ahh, nevermind. I think I gotcha. |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Rather than using the syspref as a switch, yeah? |
| 00:01 |
|
eythian |
yeah. |
| 00:01 |
|
eythian |
Though, that syspref isn't currently a very good switch |
| 00:01 |
|
eythian |
I need to do something about that. |
| 00:02 |
|
eythian |
I'm sorta faking it at the moment, but that's not ideal. |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
Faking it? |
| 00:02 |
|
eythian |
have a look near the top of opac-search.pl |
| 00:03 |
|
eythian |
I need to get it to the point where you don't even know what search engine you're using. |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
(Huh, I didn't know for/when was a thing) |
| 00:06 |
|
eythian |
yeah, pretend it's not |
| 00:07 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, so do you mean about loading modules that you may or may not need? |
| 00:07 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 00:07 |
|
eythian |
so, you should just ask for Koha::SearchEngine::QueryBuilder and get the right thing |
| 00:07 |
|
eythian |
there is stuff for that there now, but it's incomplete. |
| 00:08 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, agreed |
| 00:09 |
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| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I'm beginning to think CCL2RPN doesn't actually understand "*" or "?" |
| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/d[…]ee_8c_source.html |
| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
Yay open source... |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
And with reason... |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
@truncation in ccl.properties looks like it's been totally made up as a thing |
| 00:12 |
|
huginn |
dcook: downloading the Perl source |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
Sorry, little rant there |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Yeah, Koha::SearchEngine::QueryBuilder would be great |
| 00:13 |
|
* dcook |
did notice that removing * and ? didn't seem to have an effect when using rtrn anyway... |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
I suppose it's still possible @truncation is a thing in a different file.. |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
Damn google and not being able to search special characters |
| 00:20 |
|
* dcook |
should re-read the CCL syntax... |
| 00:21 |
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| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
Ah, Indexdata's website says truncation is a CCL directive... |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:23 |
|
dcook |
Ah ha |
| 00:23 |
|
dcook |
Wait..nvm.. |
| 00:31 |
|
* dcook |
has also been thinking about writing up Zebra search tips for Koha |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
Something that is user accessible |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
Or at least staff accessible |
| 00:32 |
|
* dcook |
doesn't think the manual is necessarily 100% correct |
| 00:32 |
|
dcook |
And I doubt many people use it when they're trying to remember how to do a search in Koha |
| 00:50 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, tests say that adding "?" or "*" to a query doesn't do a damn thing when using Zebra |
| 00:50 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, unless.. |
| 00:50 |
|
wahanui |
hmmm... unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either |
| 00:50 |
|
dcook |
Yep, not a damn thing I can see |
| 00:51 |
|
dcook |
Have to have "rtrn"... |
| 00:51 |
|
dcook |
wrdl,rtrn="profession?" will return the same as wrdl,rtrn="profession" |
| 00:52 |
|
dcook |
I think truncation characters might only factor in when using special truncation attribute combos... |
| 00:55 |
|
dcook |
Hmm maybe not enough testing to be sure though.. |
| 00:58 |
|
* wizzyrea |
is really grateful for her flat white right now |
| 00:58 |
|
wizzyrea |
because it's cold as outside |
| 00:58 |
|
eythian |
dcook: that's all very mysterious. |
| 01:00 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Certainly badly documented |
| 01:06 |
|
dcook |
In fact, I think the documentation might be plain wrong |
| 01:06 |
|
dcook |
Mmm then again.. |
| 01:10 |
|
dcook |
http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/d[…]nd_8c_source.html |
| 01:10 |
|
dcook |
suggests that there can be truncation aliases.. |
| 01:10 |
|
dcook |
Just like it says here: http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
Ahhh |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
There's a bug |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
--- 4.2.21 2011/11/23 |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
Fix cql_sortby_to_sortkeys. Completely broken before. |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
Make CCL's @truncation work again. |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
I'm on 4.2.13... |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
IE and Zebra |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
Why do I do such things...:p |
| 01:16 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: dcook is the designated masochist |
| 01:16 |
|
wahanui |
...but dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client|currently out of line.... |
| 01:16 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: dcook is also the designated masochist |
| 01:16 |
|
wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
It looks like Wheezy's packaged version is 4.2.30, so people using packages should be OK |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
Not in Squeeze though |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
As Squeeze uses 4.0.11-1 |
| 01:34 |
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| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Apparently you can't use truncation wildcards within double quotes |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Well, you can, but they apparently are treated as regular text and not wildcards... |
| 01:52 |
|
eythian |
I would expect that |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
yaz-client plus "querytype ccl2rpn" and "set_cclfile /koha/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties" = no Koha crap |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Naturally |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
You can use them as truncation wildcards within parentheses though |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloga[…]tion-history?bffb |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
I would also expect that. |
| 01:56 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 01:57 |
|
eythian |
http://imgur.com/a/KBWIf <-- the weather took a turn around lunch time |
| 02:01 |
|
dcook |
Oh my.. |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
next time someone asks me about NCIP |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
they'll get this |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTg8lisw2gM |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
'find rltrn="?fess?"' = expected result |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
'find rltrn=?fess?' = CCL ERROR: Both left - and right truncation not supported |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
O_O |
| 02:14 |
|
eythian |
it's probably a lot more expensive to do that |
| 02:19 |
|
dcook |
Oh totally |
| 02:19 |
|
dcook |
It takes ages |
| 02:24 |
|
dcook |
Actually...not so much |
| 02:24 |
|
dcook |
It did the first time I tried in Koha but that might've been unrelated |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I think I'm getting an idea... |
| 02:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
look out. |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
:p |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, maybe |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
It's just that buildQuery works really stupidly |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
Ahh, wait, idea no good...damn |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
Well...for a basic search it might work.. |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
Except stemming |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, maybe even stemming.. |
| 02:33 |
|
eythian |
dcook: just move to elasticsearch |
| 02:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
be eythian |
| 02:35 |
|
wahanui |
Sod it all, let's head to the pub! |
| 02:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
be eythian is also <reply> just move to elasticsearch |
| 02:35 |
|
wahanui |
okay, wizzyrea. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
| 02:41 |
|
huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
feels colder than that. |
| 02:41 |
|
eythian |
you're inside. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
when I was outside, it felt colder than that. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
:P |
| 02:42 |
|
rangi |
metservice says it feels like 3 |
| 02:42 |
|
rangi |
and is 6.7 |
| 02:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
that seems closer to what I experienced |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
eythian: I suspect ElasticSearch will have problems with the query building as well |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
But we'll see :) |
| 02:46 |
|
eythian |
dcook: oh yeah? |
| 02:47 |
|
eythian |
it's more or less a shim to allow compatibility with the existing code. |
| 02:48 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, and the existing code sucks :p |
| 02:48 |
|
dcook |
I wonder a bit about stemming and weight fields.. |
| 02:48 |
|
dcook |
Autotruncation |
| 02:49 |
|
dcook |
As that will require parsing the query, modifying it, then stitching it back together again |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
yeah, I havne't really implemented those yet. |
| 02:49 |
|
dcook |
Don't know if weight fields is even possible with ES although I don't really mind that |
| 02:49 |
|
* dcook |
doesn't care for weight fields all that much |
| 02:50 |
|
eythian |
I'm pretty sure it is possible. |
| 02:50 |
|
eythian |
there's definitely some facility for it. |
| 02:50 |
|
dcook |
Cool :) |
| 02:55 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, looks like .mailmap didn't merge my usernames together on GitStats :/ |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
Always nice when you need to change something on Gitolite but haven't used it in ages :p |
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| 04:06 |
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eythian |
If I have an 'edition' field, where would I put that in MARC? |
| 04:07 |
|
eythian |
250$a |
| 04:08 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
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* cait |
waves |
| 05:37 |
|
* dcook |
waves to cait |
| 05:51 |
|
cait |
hi dcook :) |
| 05:52 |
|
cait |
looks like i missed this morning's search discussion? :) |
| 05:52 |
|
* dcook |
shrugs |
| 05:52 |
|
dcook |
I guess so |
| 05:52 |
|
cait |
how is wednesday? |
| 05:54 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, experimental |
| 05:56 |
|
cait |
how can a day be experimental? |
| 05:56 |
|
dcook |
I've been trying a lot of things with CCL and QueryParser |
| 05:58 |
|
cait |
hm wonder how mine will turn out then :) |
| 05:58 |
|
dcook |
Hopefully better than mine :p |
| 05:59 |
|
dcook |
Well, I guess I've learned a lot... |
| 06:07 |
|
cait |
shoudl i send a reminder about today's (for you tomorrow's) dev meeting? |
| 06:08 |
|
dcook |
I thought that was already done? |
| 06:08 |
|
dcook |
Or did I get my days screwed up? |
| 06:09 |
|
cait |
the meeting? |
| 06:09 |
|
wahanui |
hmmm... the meeting is on wednesday? |
| 06:09 |
|
cait |
july 2nd |
| 06:09 |
|
cait |
or the reminder? |
| 06:10 |
|
cait |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_2_July_2014 |
| 06:10 |
|
dcook |
It is july 2nd today for me O_o |
| 06:10 |
|
dcook |
Or is it supposed to be my july 3rd? |
| 06:15 |
|
dcook |
Oh right... I guess it would be 8am for me tomorrow |
| 06:15 |
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dcook |
I might be there on my phone... |
| 06:15 |
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* dcook |
doesn't start work until 9, but might try to get in early.. |
| 06:16 |
|
cait |
i sent something |
| 06:32 |
|
cait |
hm gah |
| 06:32 |
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cait |
found a bug i think |
| 06:32 |
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dcook |
Surprise! :D |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
hm yeah |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
the partial receive status is not properly given on updating an older database |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
i know i tested this and it worked at some point |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
bit frustrating |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
:( |
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| 06:40 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:40 |
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cait |
hi reiveune |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
dcook: it could be worse |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
:) |
| 06:41 |
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reiveune |
hi cait dcook |
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cait |
Joubu: rollover is done :) |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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dcook |
Hmm, I might actually have a bit of a plan for buildQuery now... |
| 07:15 |
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dcook |
Might just need to keep batting away at it until I find the right solution... |
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dcook |
Need to run! |
| 07:16 |
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dcook |
au revoir, tous |
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Joubu |
hello |
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cait |
mornign #koha |
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cait |
good morning biblibre :) |
| 07:48 |
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cait |
Joubu: around? |
| 07:48 |
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Joubu |
cait: yep |
| 07:49 |
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cait |
could you maybe apply the new 2 patches from kyle to the sandbox? |
| 07:49 |
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cait |
the database still seems to have the test configuration from yesterday |
| 07:49 |
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cait |
it was number 7 |
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Joubu |
cait: yep |
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Joubu |
cait: in 10min |
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cait |
cool |
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cait |
thx! |
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cait |
Joubu: ping me when it's done? |
| 08:18 |
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Joubu |
cait: done ;) |
| 08:20 |
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cait |
Joubu++ |
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cait |
Joubu: my tests look good, letting the library know |
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cait |
Joubu: library tested ok :) going to sign off the 2 patches in the name of the librarian |
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khall |
cait++ |
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cait |
library++ :) |
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cait |
i only helped |
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cait |
lunch bbl! |
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Racoo |
Please help, when I create new catalogue entries, I often find I get a 'double' entry, so that I end up with a biblio record with holdings, and one without. I then have to go back and delete the extra entry, otherwise it shows up on catalogue searches as having 'no items' which is confusing for people using the catalogue. When I add an item it duplicates too. When the network slows this problem happens. How can I stop duplication |
| 11:46 |
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cait |
do you double click by chance? |
| 11:46 |
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cait |
i think it might happen because of your network issues |
| 11:47 |
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cait |
not sure that can be sovled within koha |
| 11:48 |
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Racoo |
no dont click double |
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Racoo |
when the system is busy it creates dublications |
| 11:48 |
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Racoo |
both in biblios and holdings |
| 11:49 |
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Racoo |
it may be beause of zebra |
| 11:49 |
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Racoo |
indexing |
| 11:49 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... indexing is done by Zebra. |
| 11:49 |
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Racoo |
how can we solve it?? |
| 11:50 |
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Racoo |
it is a big problem |
| 11:54 |
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Racoo |
when the network is busy, it gives "Internal server error" but the biblio or the holding record is created, but sometimes 1 record sometimes 2 or more than 2 duplications are created. than we have to delete all the duplications, it is a huge lost time :( |
| 11:57 |
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csharp |
Racoo: sounds like you need a professional to come evaluate your network setup... there are ways to throttle bandwidth via free/open source programs like pfsense |
| 11:58 |
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csharp |
(but that's beyond the scope of #koha ;-)) |
| 11:59 |
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Racoo |
cant it be solved programaticaly |
| 11:59 |
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Racoo |
? |
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csharp |
Racoo: a web-based program like koha needs a healthy network connection - no way around that |
| 12:01 |
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cait |
do you hit refresh? |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
it could be it sends the request again - and then that might cause the duplicate |
| 12:02 |
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cait |
zebra is unlikely, if the duplicate only existed in the index, you couldn#t delete it |
| 12:02 |
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csharp |
we see similar behavior in Evergreen when the network is congested and/or insufficient |
| 12:04 |
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Racoo |
When we hit the refresh button or press f5 it creates duplications, but without refreshing the page by hitting refresh button or press f5 unfortunately it again creates duplications. |
| 12:05 |
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cait |
Racoo: you mean that if you don't refresh or use the browser back button, there are still duplicates being created? |
| 12:06 |
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Racoo |
yes |
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Racoo |
this duplications especialy occur when the network is slow. |
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cait |
i am sorry, i think csharp is right then |
| 12:06 |
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cait |
there is not much you can do without fixing the network |
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francharb |
good morning! |
| 12:07 |
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cait |
hi francharb :) |
| 12:07 |
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francharb |
o/ cait |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 12:18 |
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huginn |
tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 8.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:18 |
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tcohen |
buen dÃa #koha |
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oleonard |
Hi everyone |
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oleonard |
MARC preview not working in the latest Manage staged MARC records interface |
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bgkriegel |
Hi |
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tcohen |
hi bgkriegel |
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bgkriegel |
Hi To+ |
| 13:07 |
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cait |
hi bgkriegel and tcohen :) |
| 13:07 |
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bgkriegel |
hi cait :) |
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Joubu |
cait: what are the shortcuts for tab navigation? |
| 13:38 |
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cait |
Joubu: for testing - click on the checkouts tab (to get the focus), then use arrow right keys |
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Joubu |
ok, right/left |
| 13:38 |
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Joubu |
yep, thanks |
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cait |
according to thelibrarian actually tab shoudl work and woudl work better, but this seems the way it works now |
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tcohen |
oleonard: have you used Photobooth.js? |
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oleonard |
No |
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oleonard |
Interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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tcohen |
I was thining of adding that to the patron details page |
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tcohen |
upload/take picture |
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tcohen |
it could be combined with https://github.com/addyosmani/getUserMedia.js |
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tcohen |
for a flash fallback if the browser doesn't provide the API |
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oleonard |
tcohen: On the staff side or OPAC? |
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tcohen |
I was thinking on both |
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oleonard |
If a library wanted accurate photos of their patrons I would think they would not want to trust photos received through the OPAC, but I guess that's a choice they could make. |
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oleonard |
If a system like that were added to the OPAC it ought to be combined with the pending patron modifications system |
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tcohen |
yes |
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tcohen |
A library asked me to implement that for the staff interface |
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tcohen |
and i thought of a syspref-driven feature for the OPAC too |
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oleonard |
There's even an existing bug for that: Bug 6815 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, ASSIGNED , Capture member photo via webcam |
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tcohen |
thanks oleonard for the pointer |
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druthb |
@seen talljoy |
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huginn |
druthb: talljoy was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 1 second ago: <talljoy> no problem! |
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druthb |
! |
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druthb |
@seen meliss |
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huginn |
druthb: meliss was last seen in #koha 7 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <meliss> #info Melissa Lefebvre, ByWater Solutions |
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druthb |
whoa. |
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cait |
hm weird |
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cait |
meeting in 5! |
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tcohen |
meeting in 1! |
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cait |
ok peeps |
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cait |
hehe exactly! |
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cait |
get ready, get coffee... but be fast! |
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cait |
... |
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cait |
#startmeeting Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jul 2 15:00:47 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_1' |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
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cait |
please introduce yourself with #info |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany, QAM |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
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yohann1 |
#info Yohann Dufour, BibLibre |
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gmcharlt |
#info Galen Charlton, Equinox |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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oleonard |
Welcome back gmcharlt |
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bgkriegel |
#info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina |
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tcohen |
wb gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
thx |
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cait |
today's agenda |
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wahanui |
today's agenda is probably on the wiki |
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cait |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_2_July_2014 |
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cait |
3... 2.... |
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cait |
1... :) |
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cait |
#topic RM 3.18 comments |
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Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
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cait |
handing over to tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi |
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tcohen |
some brief comments |
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tcohen |
Jenkins tasks for running unit tests have been changed/updated |
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tcohen |
they now test all maintained branches (/plus master) on ubuntu 12.4, 14.04 and debian 6 & 7 |
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tcohen |
the launching scripts might need to be improved |
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tcohen |
and feedback will be welcome |
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cait |
#info Jenkins tasks have been changed/updated |
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JesseM |
#info Jesse Maseto, ByWater |
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tcohen |
There are still pending issues with Perl 5.18 |
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tcohen |
that jenkins shows |
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Joubu |
Where can we found launching scripts? |
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tcohen |
(on master) |
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tcohen |
Joubu: those scripts are in the task configuration form in jenkins |
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ztajoli |
#info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA |
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tcohen |
its a shell script, that is written inside the form |
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tcohen |
any ideas, please let me know |
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tcohen |
ok, next |
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barton |
#info barton, bywater |
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tcohen |
The "Koha Community" Trello organization is being used for openly establishing priorities and work that needs to be done |
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tcohen |
anyone that wants to take a look, please let me know |
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newbie |
#info Christopher - about to implement koha |
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tcohen |
we've set a board for having a list of pending dev meetings topics |
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cait |
welcome newbie |
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tcohen |
and I'm about to set a new one, for dcook to use in his effort to have better Zebra code |
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khall |
#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
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gmcharlt |
#info Koha Community org on Trello can be found at https://trello.com/kohadevel |
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tcohen |
heh, was about to post the same |
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cait |
#info Let tcohen know if you want to take a look at the Trello board for Koha Release Management |
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cait |
ah, now we overlapped gmcharlt :) |
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cait |
thx! |
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tcohen |
the QAM also set a QA board |
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tcohen |
ok |
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cait |
hm kind of - i am still testing trello mostly right now :) |
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cait |
so nothing official currently |
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tcohen |
don't be shy |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
moving on, i wanted to mention |
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cait |
next topic? |
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tcohen |
that i'm about to push bug 9811 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Patrons search improvements |
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tcohen |
and now that bug 11703 is passed-qa, i'm considering it for pushing it soon |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
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tcohen |
any comments or concerns please let me know |
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cait |
khall++ for fixing some issues with IE and accessiblity f |
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tcohen |
ok next |
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cait |
#topic Additions to coding guidelines |
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Topic for #koha is now Additions to coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
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cait |
#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040456.html |
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cait |
there has been a mailing list discussion a while ago about deprecating the non-XSLT views |
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tcohen |
is there a bug for removing that? |
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cait |
not yet |
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fridolin2 |
hie all |
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cait |
but the question has come up on a bug, if a new feature needs to be added to non-XSLT as well |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Any response to you from users on this issue? |
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cait |
i think maybe a first step could be to not maintain them officially |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: none |
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cait |
hm ok |
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ztajoli |
Stefano Bargione tries to finda and XSLT to display ISBD (MARC21 format) |
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cait |
i think i spotted a possible problem: |
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cait |
HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich says it's non-xslt only |
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ztajoli |
sorry Stefano Bargioni |
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gmcharlt |
we can deal with that as bugs |
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gmcharlt |
one to deprecate, and another with those two sysprefs as a blocker to the first |
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cait |
gmcharlt: with which? |
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cait |
not sure if there are more, just did a quick search in the pref editor |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, there could be otehrs |
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cait |
a lot of features seem to be xslt only |
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cait |
what about a deprecation warning? no longer maintain them, add new features only to XSLT? |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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ztajoli |
+1 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: could you maybe write smething for the coding guidelines about that? |
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tcohen |
btw, do we have a test for not-used sysprefs? |
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cait |
tcohen: not that i am aware of |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, cait. |
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cait |
#idea add a deprecation warning - non-XSLT officially no longer maintained, new features will only be added to XSLT |
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tcohen |
./t/db_dependent/check_sysprefs.t |
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khall |
+1 |
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oleonard |
And non-XSLT is officially gone when? |
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tcohen |
4.0? |
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wahanui |
4.0 is pbly at least a year from now, if not more, so PostgreSQL support in it seem reasonable and doable. |
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cait |
#action identify XSLT-only features and file bugs for those |
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khall |
question: what kind of performance difference do we see between the two? |
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gmcharlt |
wahanui: forget 4.0 |
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wahanui |
gmcharlt: I forgot 4.0 |
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khall |
considering we only process the visible results, the difference is probably not too great |
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cait |
can i add an agreed on the idea? |
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gmcharlt |
khall: I think somebody tested recently |
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gmcharlt |
they're similar |
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cait |
without calling another vote? |
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khall |
agreed |
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tcohen |
agreed |
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ztajoli |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: and others - http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 |
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gmcharlt |
thoughts on the suggested wording? |
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cait |
#agreed add a deprecation warning to coding guidelines |
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tcohen |
its fine gmcharlt |
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cait |
hm missing a don't I think? |
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cait |
in the first sentence of the second paragraph |
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gmcharlt |
cait: "need not" |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
sorry :) |
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gmcharlt |
but I can change it to "don't need to be" if that's cleerer |
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tcohen |
its ok |
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cait |
let's make this quick as we have more topics - anyone wnats to veto? :) |
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cait |
#info suggested coding guideline http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 |
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cait |
moving on to bugs? |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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barton |
+1 |
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cait |
and +1 for the wording from me :) |
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cait |
#topic Bugs |
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Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
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cait |
removal of C4/Maintenance.pm |
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cait |
bug 12456 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12456 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , The file C4/Maintainance.pm can be removed |
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tcohen |
start a vote? |
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cait |
as far as I understand it, it's quite an old part of the code, for features no longer present |
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cait |
sadly :) |
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gmcharlt |
from my POV, it can go |
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cait |
gmcharlt: how do i start the vote? |
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gmcharlt |
git keeps the history, in case somebody wants a reference to reimplement deletion-undo |
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cait |
#vote Remove of C4/Maintenance, yes = remove |
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gmcharlt |
cait: #startvote -- although to be frank, I'm not sure that this is worth calling a vote for |
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tcohen |
yes |
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khall |
yes |
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gmcharlt |
but anyway, +1 to removing it |
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yohann1 |
yes |
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gaetan_B |
bye! |
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oleonard |
yes |
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ztajoli |
+1 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: true, just vote quickly and let's move on |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
ok |
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bgkriegel |
yes |
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reiveune |
bye |
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cait |
#agreed C4/Maintanance will be removed (bug 12456) |
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cait |
next one is similar |
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cait |
Removal of misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP - Bug 9000 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
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tcohen |
I didn't get any feedback on rss.pl |
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tcohen |
besides mtompset's question |
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cait |
unlike Maintenance.pm is still somewhat functional when you have HTP installed |
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gmcharlt |
has it been asked on the general mailing list whether anybody is using it? |
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tcohen |
it seems that it could serve for having heavy-loading rss precalculated |
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cait |
but the rss xml files generated are not translated and thre are probably other problems as well |
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tcohen |
its been asked on the dev list |
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cait |
hm i think tcohen send something |
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gmcharlt |
I suggest that we ask again - i can tweet - and if we don't hear back in a couple weeks, assume nobody's using it and remove it |
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tcohen |
should we hold it back, and ask again? |
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tcohen |
that |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
who asks? |
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tcohen |
i will |
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ashimema |
I asked the question to my collegues.. |
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tcohen |
to the public list this time |
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* oleonard |
finds it hard to believe anyone is using it |
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cait |
#action tcohen will ask on the mailing list if someone still uses misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl (bug 9000) |
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ashimema |
many have still been using it recent;y.. but they're happy to switch to the search based rss if you can get the same functionailty out of it.. |
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* ashimema |
has never played with it personally. |
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ashimema |
"we'll cope" was their general response. |
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cait |
next ist an update on the UTF-8 clean up |
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ashimema |
sorry for being late.. just catching up now |
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tcohen |
great ashimema |
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gmcharlt |
so, re UTF-8 |
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tcohen |
Joubu worked hard on that |
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cait |
Joubu++ :) |
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ztajoli |
++ |
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gmcharlt |
by tomorrow I'll be calling a date in July for a GBSD focused on it |
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ashimema |
Joubu++ |
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gmcharlt |
and completing my review some time over the weekend |
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tcohen |
Joubu++ |
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cait |
also gmcharlt++ for the review |
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cait |
#action gmcharlt to call a date in July for a GBSD focused on UTF-8 clean-up (bug 11944) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
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tcohen |
i'd like to say |
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cait |
#info gmcharlt is also currently reviewing the feature and remaining issues |
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tcohen |
that i'd like to push the important bits sooner than later |
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Joubu |
gmcharlt: did you manage to write some tests? |
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tcohen |
those that set the correct way to cope with data encoding/decoding |
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gmcharlt |
Joubu: still working on it; not much chance to code during the ALA conference |
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tcohen |
(e.g. CGI using -utf8) |
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Joubu |
k |
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cait |
we have a normal meeting next week i think |
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cait |
we can then talk again about the gbsd maybe? |
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tcohen |
hmm, this not anormal |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
cait: sure |
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tcohen |
cait: agreed |
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ztajoli |
Ok, for CINECA july is a good month for 11944 |
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cait |
#action cait to put UTF-8 GBSD on next weeks meeting agenda |
| 15:35 |
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cait |
next is removal of prog/CCSR themes |
| 15:35 |
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cait |
decision has been made, now we need to get it done :) |
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tcohen |
has anyone appointed to start sending patches on this? |
| 15:36 |
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tcohen |
cait: the topic |
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cait |
tcohen: we are still in bugs |
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tcohen |
:) |
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tcohen |
ok, volunteers? oleonard? |
| 15:37 |
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cait |
#info Removal of prog/CCSR themes (bug 11346) - looking for volunteers |
| 15:37 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes |
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Joubu |
I am volunteer to SO on it :) |
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tcohen |
ok, I can delete that stuff |
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tcohen |
will be sending patches soon |
| 15:37 |
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oleonard |
Sorry, I was afk |
| 15:38 |
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tcohen |
if anyone wants to help, let me know |
| 15:38 |
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oleonard |
I have started submitting patches already, will continue. |
| 15:38 |
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tcohen |
oh, great! |
| 15:38 |
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cait |
:) |
| 15:38 |
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bgkriegel |
there are five patches from oleonard removing related sysprefs |
| 15:38 |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
| 15:38 |
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tcohen |
oleonard++ |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard++ |
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cait |
#action oleonard is going to send patches for removing the deprecated prog/CCSR themes |
| 15:38 |
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ashimema |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
I'm not sure how we should handle the upgrade process for users of prog |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
i think we might have to put in a database update |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
switching the pref |
| 15:39 |
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tcohen |
moving them to bootstrap |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
that will keep their opacs functional |
| 15:40 |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
| 15:40 |
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cait |
and also a big red note in the release notes? |
| 15:40 |
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khall |
why not remove the pref altogether? |
| 15:40 |
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cait |
khall: because you can create templates |
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tcohen |
khall: we agreed people might have their own templates |
| 15:41 |
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khall |
which is generally a terrible idea |
| 15:41 |
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cait |
khall: not necessarily |
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gmcharlt |
khall: who's to say that if the library is comfortable doing it? |
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oleonard |
We let people do all sorts of things which are terrible ideas :) |
| 15:41 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: see also bug 12233 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, REOPENED , remove prog and CCSR OPAC themes |
| 15:41 |
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cait |
khall: and look at ccsr - you can just have your own template file for one thing and fall back to standard theme for the rest |
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khall |
cait: yeah, I just thought of that. |
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cait |
i haven't used it yet... but it seems like something that might be useful for some |
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cait |
:) |
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* khall |
has dealt with custom templates and didn't enjoy the experience |
| 15:42 |
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cait |
ok, anything more? |
| 15:43 |
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cait |
next is the removal of C4/SQLHelper |
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cait |
yohann1 has send some patches to achieve that |
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cait |
yohann++ |
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ashimema |
yohann++ |
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Joubu |
Yes, the patches are interesting, but he needs some feedbacks to continue |
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Joubu |
see the mail on the list |
| 15:44 |
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cait |
#info some patches for removing SQLHelper from the code base are ready for testing/feedback, see http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-June/040594.html |
| 15:44 |
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Joubu |
There are at leats 4 others modules to update |
| 15:44 |
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ashimema |
I was about to say that Joubu.. do any dbic pros want to comment on the bug please.. i'm no pro so not in a position to ;) |
| 15:44 |
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cait |
also yohann++ for improving our test coverage :) |
| 15:45 |
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gmcharlt |
yohann++ |
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khall |
yohann++ indeed |
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cait |
can someone give me something for an #action? :) |
| 15:46 |
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khall |
I'm am completely for increased use of dbic |
| 15:46 |
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ashimema |
me too ;) |
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cait |
hehe those are nice but not #actions |
| 15:47 |
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ashimema |
though using it in the koha context is still baffling me a tad. |
| 15:47 |
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cait |
i guess that's the problem here |
| 15:47 |
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ashimema |
cait, someone needs to step up and give yohann some feedback.. |
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khall |
I will |
| 15:47 |
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ashimema |
yeay.. action on khall ;) |
| 15:47 |
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cait |
yay |
| 15:47 |
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ashimema |
nice one khall++ |
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cait |
#action khall to give yohann feedback on his patches |
| 15:47 |
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Joubu |
khall: thanks |
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yohann1 |
khall: thanks you :) |
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khall |
np! |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
runing a bit low on time... next one :) |
| 15:48 |
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tcohen |
yohann1++ |
| 15:48 |
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cait |
Better ways to manage MARC Frameworks - Bug 12477 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks |
| 15:48 |
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tcohen |
bgkriegel? |
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wahanui |
bgkriegel is on a signoff spree |
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cait |
bgkriegel: do you want to take over? |
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bgkriegel |
what do you think on using xml for our data? |
| 15:49 |
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bgkriegel |
it will be easier to translate |
| 15:49 |
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* khall |
notices yohann uses HashRefInflator, excellent! |
| 15:50 |
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bgkriegel |
i have some code for frameworks, and most sql files |
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tcohen |
the idea is to have the sample data (for example) in XML format for easier translation tasks |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ his work on making the frameworks translatable has been a great help in updating the German frameworks |
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bgkriegel |
but dcook raised some questions on that bug, i think someone could comment |
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cait |
it was sooo easy compared to the horror of translating them the first time |
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gmcharlt |
one approach might be to change the structure so that there's a concept of a derived framework |
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cait |
gmcharlt: it hink we already have that now for authorities |
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cait |
well in sql |
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cait |
but it seems to work nicely |
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gmcharlt |
right, but user-facing |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., the standard frameworks wouldn't be changed, but could be upgraded to meet the standard |
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gmcharlt |
if somebody wants a customized one, they'd derive it from one of the standard ones |
| 15:53 |
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gmcharlt |
and the custom ones wouldn't be touched during ugprades |
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bgkriegel |
no need for actions right now, but some ideas to work with, could be comments on 12477 |
| 15:54 |
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tcohen |
+1 for the idea of having the data in XML for translation purposes |
| 15:54 |
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cait |
#action all comment on bug 12477 with ideas about improving our MARC framework management |
| 15:54 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks |
| 15:55 |
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cait |
we are running out of time, so i will hurry up a big |
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cait |
a bit |
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cait |
#topic Testig of APIs, CAS... |
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Topic for #koha is now Testig of APIs, CAS... (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
| 15:55 |
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cait |
api patches often seem to get stuck, because we have only very few testers for them |
| 15:56 |
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cait |
one reasn is that we don't have an LDAP or CAS to test against |
| 15:56 |
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cait |
for the CAS patch paul_p has provided a login to a test server, so that should be possible to test now |
| 15:56 |
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cait |
please, if you can test LDAP, SIP, CAS patches, do so, even if they are signed off already |
| 15:56 |
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ashimema |
it's not as easy as putting up a test ldap/cas/shibboleth server though unfortunately. |
| 15:57 |
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ashimema |
allot depends on the varying configurations.. |
| 15:57 |
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tcohen |
Z39.50 also |
| 15:57 |
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cait |
i think a second sign off could help QA |
| 15:58 |
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cait |
#action all if you can, test LDAP, SIP and CAS patches or give them a second sign off! :) |
| 15:58 |
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cait |
ok, that's it from me on the topic |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
yes, z39.50 - but I think nothing in the qa queue currently - maybe in needs sign off |
| 15:59 |
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cait |
#topic Big stuff we are working on |
| 15:59 |
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Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
| 16:00 |
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cait |
any announcements?? |
| 16:00 |
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cait |
sorry, that shoudl have been only one ? |
| 16:00 |
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Joubu |
nothing new planned here. |
| 16:01 |
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ashimema |
nadda here... to much other stuff on the plate |
| 16:01 |
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tcohen |
I plan to work on TemaTres integration soon |
| 16:01 |
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tcohen |
will have a videoconference with its creator tomorrow morning |
| 16:01 |
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cait |
#info tcohen working on TemaTres integration soon |
| 16:01 |
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Joubu |
Still waiting a signoff on batch moification records patches (bug 11395 and linked) |
| 16:01 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for records |
| 16:01 |
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tcohen |
to complete the current RFC |
| 16:02 |
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cait |
#info Joubu still waiting for a signoff on batch modification records - bug 11395 |
| 16:02 |
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cait |
khall? gmcharlt? |
| 16:02 |
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tcohen |
TemaTres author is willing to do whatever is needed to help integrating it to Koha |
| 16:02 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 16:02 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: TemaTest is what, briefly? |
| 16:02 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: yes, but not making promises yet as to when |
| 16:02 |
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tcohen |
TemaTres is a tool for managing thesaurus and controlled vocabularies |
| 16:03 |
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khall |
I'll take a look |
| 16:03 |
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tcohen |
it has a REST API |
| 16:04 |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ |
| 16:04 |
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cait |
#link http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ |
| 16:04 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: neat! |
| 16:04 |
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Joubu |
(have to go, bye) |
| 16:05 |
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tcohen |
it implements the SKOS model |
| 16:05 |
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tcohen |
and there are several ways to integrate it |
| 16:05 |
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tcohen |
that we will discuss soon :-D |
| 16:05 |
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cait |
:) |
| 16:05 |
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cait |
someone going to help me with finding a good time for the next meeting? |
| 16:06 |
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gmcharlt |
early August? |
| 16:06 |
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oleonard |
August 6 starts the Koha North America conference |
| 16:06 |
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cait |
i think tcohen had said something about 3 weeks |
| 16:06 |
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cait |
maybe 23rd? |
| 16:07 |
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bgkriegel |
July 23? 30? |
| 16:07 |
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tcohen |
yes |
| 16:07 |
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ztajoli |
fro me is better 23rd |
| 16:07 |
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tcohen |
July 23rd |
| 16:07 |
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cait |
#topic Set date of next meeting |
| 16:07 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set date of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1) |
| 16:08 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 23rd July |
| 16:08 |
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oleonard |
+1 for July 23 |
| 16:08 |
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ashimema |
+1 |
| 16:08 |
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bgkriegel |
+1 |
| 16:08 |
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cait |
#agreed next meeting, pending confirmation from second meeting today, will be 23rd July, 15 + 22 UTC |
| 16:09 |
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cait |
sorry for being a bit fast in the end |
| 16:09 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
| 16:09 |
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cait |
but we are over by 10 minutes! heh :) |
| 16:09 |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
| 16:09 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.1 is available! Next general meeting is 9 and 10 July 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. |
| 16:09 |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 16:09:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-02-15.00.html |
| 16:09 |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-07-02-15.00.txt |
| 16:09 |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-15.00.log.html |
| 16:09 |
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cait |
thx everyone! |
| 16:09 |
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bgkriegel |
cait++ |
| 16:09 |
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ztajoli |
bye |
| 16:09 |
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gmcharlt |
cait++ |
| 16:10 |
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tcohen |
cait++ |
| 16:10 |
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ztajoli |
cait ++ |
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newbie |
It was great to watch :-) |
| 16:11 |
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newbie |
goodbye |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9811: Fix wording branch vs library <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9a94e71483950b4a0> / Bug 9811: Cardnumber could be alphanumeric <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]93953390cc229a0a7> / Bug 9811: Various fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f45634671bae0151b |
| 18:00 |
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tcohen |
#koha: what is "Term" used for in course reserves? |
| 18:02 |
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cait |
i think the term of the ... hm academic year? |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
but it's bad for translation |
| 18:03 |
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tcohen |
manual uses "Spring" as an example |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
spring semester... maybe |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
spring course |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
khall: ping? |
| 18:03 |
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wahanui |
Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 18:05 |
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oleonard |
I think "term" is a less-specific word where "semester" and "quarter" imply a more specific duration, but all are basically the same thing |
| 18:07 |
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tcohen |
thanks oleonard, cait |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
oleonard: the problem with term is that it also means... something like word |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
so for translation... it's been a problem and it's wrong in our opac currently |
| 18:11 |
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* oleonard |
approaches the English Council of Terminology to petition a rule change |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
thx :) |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
well... we still have jquery :) |
| 18:15 |
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tcohen |
and Pottle! |
| 18:22 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: BUG 12304: LDAP auto-provisioning set default messaging preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9515ede2ebdaf7646> / Bug 12456: The file C4/Maintainance.pm, and by extension the file t/Maintainance... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]67fca39323d4cbe80> / Bug 9811 [QA Followup] - Enable bProcessing <http://git.k |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12386 - 'Days in advance' pull down in bootstrap OPAC is huge <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]846b32d5bd2c01277> / Bug 8566: [SIGNED-OFF] Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13654df0d7544695b> / ug 11857 - Number of patrons on a patron list not accurate |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12463 - Capitalization: Calendar tool, headings for different types of holidays <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7dcee548480eb9d1f> |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
khall++ :) |
| 19:08 |
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tcohen |
can anyone sign 12151? i bothers me a lot :-P |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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oleonard |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7021#c14 |
| 19:53 |
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huginn |
Bug 7021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, ASSIGNED , patron category in the statistics table |
| 19:53 |
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oleonard |
"lol" ? |
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rangi |
morning |
| 19:56 |
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rangi |
super helpful comment |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
maybe a typo/accidentally hitting sent |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12485 - Show OPAC search history when opacuserlogin is OFF <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]25e518344e8f9aeda> |
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wizzyrea |
doh missed oleonard |
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wizzyrea |
bug 12151 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12151 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , remove remaining uses of the Perl smartmatch operator |
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tcohen |
hola #koha |
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cait |
hola tcohen |
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eythian_ |
hi |
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tcohen |
dev meeting in 6 minutes! |
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eythian_ |
all going well I may have to bail part way through. |
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tcohen |
#startmeeting Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jul 2 22:01:07 2014 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 22:01 |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_2' |
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tcohen |
#topic Introductions |
| 22:01 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 22:01 |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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eythian_ |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ |
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JesseM |
#info Jesse Maseto, ByWater |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 22:02 |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst |
| 22:02 |
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tcohen |
today we had a really long meeting |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
so, moving on :-D |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
agenda: |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_2_July_2014 |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
#topic RM 3.18 comments |
| 22:03 |
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Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 22:04 |
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tcohen |
I mentioned today that the jenkins tasks have been set to build and run tests for all stable branches |
| 22:04 |
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tcohen |
on ubuntu 12.04 & 14.04, and Debian 6 & 7 |
| 22:04 |
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tcohen |
each one has its own DB |
| 22:04 |
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tcohen |
tweaks might be needed to the launching scripts |
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tcohen |
I ask everyone interested (specially RMaints) |
| 22:05 |
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tcohen |
to take a look and let me know their suggestions or stuff that needs to be done |
| 22:05 |
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tcohen |
#info Jenkins tasks have been changed/updated, feedback from RMaints and anyone interested is expected |
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tcohen |
Also, we are exploring the use of Trello to coordinate more efforts on the development team |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
Katrin is experimenting for QA, I expect dcook to do it on for his Search code rethink/rewrite effort |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
#info Koha Community org on Trello can be found at https://trello.com/kohadevel |
| 22:07 |
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bgkriegel |
#info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina & late |
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tcohen |
#info anyone that wants to take a look at the Trello boards for Koha Community, just let tcohen know |
| 22:08 |
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tcohen |
also, I pushed my first "big patchset" (bug 9811) |
| 22:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Patrons search improvements |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
I'm excited, and expect to have feedback if something needs improvement |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
also, now bug 11703 is passed-qa, i'm considering it for pushing soon, tomorrow i'll be testing it too |
| 22:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
| 22:10 |
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tcohen |
questions on RM 3.8 comments? |
| 22:10 |
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tcohen |
s/\.8/\.18/ :-P |
| 22:11 |
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tcohen |
ok, moving on? |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
yep |
| 22:12 |
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cait |
move on :) |
| 22:13 |
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tcohen |
Ah, I forgot to mention that the new jenkins setup made visible some problems, most notably Perl 5.18 related |
| 22:13 |
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tcohen |
anyone that wants to take a look is welcome |
| 22:13 |
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tcohen |
ok, moving on |
| 22:13 |
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tcohen |
#topic Additions to Coding Guidelines |
| 22:13 |
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Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 22:14 |
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tcohen |
it's been discussed that non-XSLT should be deprecated |
| 22:14 |
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tcohen |
#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040456.html |
| 22:14 |
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tcohen |
on the first part we discussed changing the coding guidelines to reflect that |
| 22:15 |
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eythian_ |
It'd be good to have a plan, like with prog->bootstrap |
| 22:15 |
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eythian_ |
e.g. start making XSLT default, then in a couple of releases remove it. |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
xslt is already default :) |
| 22:15 |
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eythian_ |
Just to ensure everyone has a heads up. |
| 22:15 |
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eythian_ |
oh good :) |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
the next step would be identify features that are non-xslt only |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
it appears there is at least one |
| 22:16 |
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tcohen |
and sysprefs |
| 22:16 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... sysprefs is one |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
and gmcharlt has written up a suggested no coding guideline - http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
hm new coding guideline... not no |
| 22:16 |
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tcohen |
#info suggested coding guideline by gmcharlt http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 |
| 22:18 |
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tcohen |
do we agree on that addition to the coding guidelines? |
| 22:18 |
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eythian_ |
+1 |
| 22:18 |
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tcohen |
the plan is to freeze non-XSLT related code during 3.18 |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
adding no new features to non-xslt |
| 22:19 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
agreed? |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
#agreed add a deprecation warning to coding guidelines |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
#topic Bugs |
| 22:20 |
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Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 22:20 |
|
tcohen |
I mentioned two bugs that remove stuff |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
which are passed QA |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
Removal of C4/Maintainance.pm - Bug 12456 |
| 22:21 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12456 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Master , The file C4/Maintainance.pm can be removed |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
bug 12456 (already on master) |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
Removal of misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP - Bug 9000 |
| 22:21 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
does anyone have any concern on removing rss.pl? |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
it depends on HTML Template Pro which is not even a dependency for us |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
and we can always recover from git if needed |
| 22:23 |
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eythian_ |
yeah, if it's never used and won't even work, toss it. |
| 22:24 |
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tcohen |
with cait we agreed earlier |
| 22:24 |
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| 22:24 |
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rangi |
there are some people around the world using it, it will work fine if you installed koha a while ago and jsut kept on upgrading |
| 22:24 |
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tcohen |
rss.pl? |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
so we would need to make it nice and clear in the release notes its being removed |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
yes |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
asheima said so in the last meeting |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
if you have html::template::pro installed, it works |
| 22:25 |
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cbrannon |
Is anyone aware of an item limit for bib records? |
| 22:25 |
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cait |
it does |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
and if you installed koha pre 3.4.0 you will have |
| 22:25 |
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cait |
it's not nice, but i tried it, untranslatable tho |
| 22:26 |
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rangi |
so we will have to document its being removed and provide easy instructions for an alternative |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
ashimema said at the last meeting he had checked with his coworkers and they 'would cope' |
| 22:27 |
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tcohen |
ok, i'll send an email to the general list as we said in part 1 |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
yes, thats fine for those who have a support company |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
i still think we need to make it very clear in the release notes (not just an email to the list) |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
yes, so far it's just the only feedback from users we have |
| 22:27 |
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tcohen |
maybe they are interested in improving it |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
im not against removing it |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
gmcharlt has also asked again on twitter, we can do mailing list and release notes |
| 22:28 |
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rangi |
just that it doesnt do the same thing as a saved search, so you will need to tell people how they can do the same thing |
| 22:28 |
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bag |
hey cbrannon there is a meeting going on - but I think you are looking for this http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 |
| 22:28 |
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huginn |
Bug 11096: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra |
| 22:28 |
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cbrannon |
sorry |
| 22:28 |
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cbrannon |
thanks |
| 22:28 |
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tcohen |
ok, we earlier agreed that there was no rush for it |
| 22:29 |
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tcohen |
and that a mail to the general list should be sent |
| 22:29 |
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tcohen |
(i'll do it) |
| 22:29 |
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tcohen |
asking people if they rely on that |
| 22:29 |
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tcohen |
#action tcohen will ask on the mailing list if someone still uses misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl (bug 9000) |
| 22:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
| 22:30 |
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tcohen |
#info rangi asked that removal should imply a clear statement for the users to be aware of the removal |
| 22:31 |
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tcohen |
agreed on that path? |
| 22:31 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 22:31 |
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tcohen |
so, next is |
| 22:32 |
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tcohen |
UTF-8 cleanup - Bug 11944 |
| 22:32 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 22:32 |
|
tcohen |
Joubu worked hard on that. It is a tricky one |
| 22:32 |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt said he'll be reviewing that patch set |
| 22:33 |
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tcohen |
we need as many eyes as possible on that one |
| 22:34 |
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cait |
#info gmcharlt will set a date for a gbsd for the utf-8 clean up |
| 22:35 |
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tcohen |
#info cait will put the GBSD for UTF.8 cleanup in next general meeting's agenda |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
oh right.. there was that |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
:) |
| 22:36 |
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tcohen |
next is removal of prog/CCSR themes |
| 22:36 |
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tcohen |
#info oleonard said he'll be working on patches for that |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
| 22:37 |
|
tcohen |
defaults need to be changed, sysprefs deleted, and so on |
| 22:37 |
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tcohen |
#info Removal of prog/CCSR themes (bug 11346) - oleonard will be working on those patches |
| 22:37 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes |
| 22:38 |
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rangi |
oleonard++ |
| 22:38 |
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tcohen |
one thing worth mentioning is that in will imply changing the opactheme syspref |
| 22:38 |
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tcohen |
syspref == ccsr || prog -> bootstrap |
| 22:39 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 22:39 |
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tcohen |
next is the removal of C4/SQLHelper |
| 22:40 |
|
tcohen |
#info yohann sent several patches to move C4::SQLHelper-dependent code to using DBIx |
| 22:41 |
|
tcohen |
khall_away offered to help him with that |
| 22:41 |
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tcohen |
and they are talking on hte public list about that |
| 22:41 |
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| 22:41 |
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tcohen |
yohann++ |
| 22:42 |
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tcohen |
ok, moving on |
| 22:42 |
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tcohen |
Better ways to manage MARC Frameworks - Bug 12477 |
| 22:42 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks |
| 22:42 |
|
tcohen |
bgkriegel? |
| 22:42 |
|
wahanui |
bgkriegel is, like, on a signoff spree |
| 22:42 |
|
bgkriegel |
well, as said earlier, need opinions/ideas |
| 22:43 |
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bgkriegel |
I'm for using xml, at last in frameworks |
| 22:43 |
|
bgkriegel |
other files could be also |
| 22:43 |
|
bgkriegel |
main reason is to ease translations |
| 22:44 |
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tcohen |
the idea is to use xml for generating the data |
| 22:45 |
|
bgkriegel |
it will be useful if some want to comment on that bug |
| 22:45 |
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tcohen |
using XML has the advantage that the current translation tools like it |
| 22:45 |
|
rangi |
id like to see it as a first step away from being MARC specific |
| 22:45 |
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rangi |
id like to move it to cataloguing frameworks |
| 22:45 |
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rangi |
which might be marc |
| 22:46 |
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rangi |
might be dc, might be whatever |
| 22:46 |
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tcohen |
interesting |
| 22:46 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 22:46 |
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rangi |
xml seems like a good step in that direction |
| 22:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 22:47 |
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wizzyrea |
cataloguing_frameworks++ |
| 22:47 |
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rangi |
with that, plus elasticsearch .. we are moving away from 1968 :-) |
| 22:47 |
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tcohen |
rangi: if you have any idea on an XML model that should help going that direction, please step in :-D |
| 22:47 |
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tcohen |
hi wizzyrea |
| 22:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
most of the metadata formats have dtds I thought... |
| 22:49 |
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tcohen |
the cataloguing interface needs to be rewritten to support that I guess |
| 22:50 |
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cait |
hm for the data i think yes, but not sure that's the same |
| 22:50 |
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cait |
we would have to add to it maybe, but use vor validation? |
| 22:50 |
|
bgkriegel |
and what about rancor? |
| 22:51 |
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cait |
not sure what i say makes sense it's quite late here |
| 22:51 |
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rangi |
thats designed heavily for cataloguers (ie people who like MARC) i doubt we'd touch that |
| 22:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
could probably take some cues from projects like greenstone |
| 22:52 |
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rangi |
just not locking us into only being able to represent marc fields would be the first step |
| 22:54 |
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tcohen |
rangi et al: do u plan to work on that regarding the ES integration efforts? |
| 22:54 |
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rangi |
not in this release cycle no |
| 22:55 |
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rangi |
well elasticsearch already lets us index anything, not just marc so nothing more needed there really |
| 22:55 |
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eythian_ |
Though a lot of the existing stuff it hooks into expects marc, but that's a solvable problem. |
| 22:55 |
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rangi |
just whatever we choose to represent our frameworks, it would be nice to not build in assumptions that it will always be MARC |
| 22:55 |
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rangi |
ie it doesnt have to support others yet, but just not make it harder to :) |
| 22:56 |
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tcohen |
DSpace uses an XML file to model the input form (cataloguing framework) |
| 22:57 |
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cait |
the change is also to make it easier translatable - i think maybe not try tomake it do everything now, but make afirst step? |
| 22:57 |
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wahanui |
okay, cait. |
| 22:57 |
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tcohen |
anyway, what bgkriegel want's to do for now, is abandoning the SQL files stored in the source tree, and move them to XML for better translation |
| 22:57 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 22:58 |
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tcohen |
we currently have one file for each language |
| 22:58 |
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tcohen |
ok, if anyone has any comment to do on that, approach bgkriegel |
| 22:58 |
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tcohen |
or comment on the bug (feedback is always welcome) |
| 22:59 |
|
tcohen |
dcook for instance, proposed YAML instead |
| 22:59 |
|
tcohen |
ok, moving on now, agreed? |
| 22:59 |
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tcohen |
#topic Testig of APIs, CAS, LDAP... |
| 22:59 |
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Topic for #koha is now Testig of APIs, CAS, LDAP... (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 23:00 |
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tcohen |
the QA team has several bugs in their queue |
| 23:00 |
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tcohen |
due to the lack of a proper testing environment |
| 23:00 |
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tcohen |
not everyone has a CAS or LDAP server |
| 23:01 |
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tcohen |
SIP, etc |
| 23:01 |
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tcohen |
biblibre set a CAS server for testing purposes |
| 23:01 |
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tcohen |
biblibre++ |
| 23:01 |
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tcohen |
we still don't have an LDAP server for testing LDAP patches |
| 23:01 |
|
* bag |
is working on getting an LDAP server for testing |
| 23:01 |
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tcohen |
:-D :-D |
| 23:02 |
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bag |
just got back in office from being out for about 40 days (work travel and vacation) |
| 23:02 |
|
* tcohen |
is amazed most of the sentences are even aligned |
| 23:02 |
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bag |
so LDAP will come just not too fast |
| 23:02 |
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bag |
:) |
| 23:02 |
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tcohen |
bywater++ |
| 23:03 |
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tcohen |
#actions ByWater is working to provide an LDAP server for testing purposes |
| 23:04 |
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tcohen |
ok next topic |
| 23:04 |
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tcohen |
#topic Big stuff we are working on |
| 23:04 |
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Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 23:04 |
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tcohen |
anyone? |
| 23:04 |
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wahanui |
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
| 23:04 |
|
tcohen |
I mentioned earlier that I plan to work on a TemaTres<->Koha integration |
| 23:05 |
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rangi |
just the same as before |
| 23:05 |
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bag |
pianohacker just spent the last week working pretty heavily on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 |
| 23:05 |
|
huginn |
Bug 11559: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 23:05 |
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rangi |
elastic search, plack, and cover images |
| 23:05 |
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bag |
he should have more patches coming in another 3~4 weeks |
| 23:05 |
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tcohen |
bag: what needs to be done for rancor? |
| 23:05 |
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tcohen |
(from the release team) |
| 23:06 |
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bag |
right now pazpar2 isn't reliable - so pianohacker needs to decide on how he wants the z3950 searching done |
| 23:06 |
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tcohen |
ok, let everyone know if feedback is needed |
| 23:07 |
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cait |
:) |
| 23:07 |
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bag |
like why even change what we already have versus being creative with something new :) |
| 23:07 |
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tcohen |
:) |
| 23:07 |
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cait |
there is also the opac patch using pazpar2 |
| 23:07 |
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bag |
will do |
| 23:08 |
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bag |
yup cait there is... |
| 23:08 |
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cait |
not sure what we could use instead |
| 23:08 |
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bag |
once we can have pianohacker in the "office" for a consistent period we'll be looking at all those again |
| 23:08 |
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tcohen |
excellent |
| 23:09 |
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tcohen |
rangi: about plack support |
| 23:10 |
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tcohen |
is there big stuff needing sign-off or any kind of feedback? |
| 23:10 |
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eythian_ |
A few have been signed off, and one or two need a bit more work (of the ones I've done.) |
| 23:10 |
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* bag |
is working on getting 2 production sites up in the next two weeks for plack staff |
| 23:11 |
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bag |
see if we can't find some more bugs |
| 23:12 |
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eythian_ |
yay bugs! :) |
| 23:12 |
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tcohen |
ok, i mentioned TemaTres |
| 23:12 |
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eythian_ |
what is that? |
| 23:12 |
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wahanui |
well, that is the intended behavior? |
| 23:13 |
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tcohen |
is a tool for managing thesaurus and controled vocabularies |
| 23:14 |
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| 23:14 |
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bgkriegel |
TemaTres: http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ |
| 23:15 |
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tcohen |
thanks bgkriegel |
| 23:16 |
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eythian_ |
That looks worthwhile. |
| 23:16 |
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tcohen |
we should move on, cait would fall asleep otherwise |
| 23:17 |
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cait |
huh? |
| 23:17 |
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* cait |
might already be half asleep |
| 23:17 |
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cait |
but it's the time |
| 23:18 |
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tcohen |
ok, moving on |
| 23:18 |
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tcohen |
#topic Dates of releases |
| 23:18 |
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Topic for #koha is now Dates of releases (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 23:18 |
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tcohen |
we forgot to talk about that on part 1 |
| 23:19 |
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rangi |
ah yeah |
| 23:19 |
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tcohen |
release dates are slippin |
| 23:19 |
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rangi |
ive notice we seem to be slipping from our release dates |
| 23:19 |
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rangi |
it used to be 15th was string freeze, and 22nd was release (for maintenance releases) |
| 23:20 |
|
rangi |
but it kinda is all over the place now, which makes it harder for translators etc |
| 23:20 |
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rangi |
i just wanted to mention that, and see if people would like to try to get back to monthly regular releases |
| 23:21 |
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bag |
agreed - I think it should be back to 15th 22nd |
| 23:21 |
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tcohen |
yes, i'll talk to the guys about that |
| 23:21 |
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tcohen |
we can do it |
| 23:21 |
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bag |
I just don't want my calendar alerts to be wrong :P |
| 23:21 |
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rangi |
thanks |
| 23:21 |
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bag |
heh |
| 23:21 |
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tcohen |
ok |
| 23:22 |
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cait |
22nd_releases++ :) |
| 23:22 |
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tcohen |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
| 23:22 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2) |
| 23:22 |
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tcohen |
I proposed on koha-devel, trying a 3-week cycle for this meetings |
| 23:23 |
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tcohen |
thus, proposed July 23rd |
| 23:23 |
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tcohen |
same time |
| 23:23 |
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tcohen |
15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC |
| 23:24 |
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eythian_ |
same_bat_time++ |
| 23:24 |
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rangi |
+1 |
| 23:24 |
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bag |
works +1 |
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| 23:24 |
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tcohen |
http://bit.ly/1iXmSgC |
| 23:25 |
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tcohen |
^^^^^^ kohacon14 |
| 23:25 |
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bag |
ok I need dinner now |
| 23:25 |
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tcohen |
#agreed next meeting date: July 23rd (part 1: 15:00 UTC) (part 2: 22:00 UTC) |
| 23:26 |
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tcohen |
done |
| 23:26 |
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tcohen |
what was the command? |
| 23:26 |
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tcohen |
#endmeeting |
| 23:26 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.1 is available! Next general meeting is 9 and 10 July 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. |
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huginn |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-02-22.01.html |
| 23:26 |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-07-02-22.01.txt |
| 23:26 |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-22.01.log.html |
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tcohen |
thanks everyone |
| 23:27 |
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rangi |
thank you tcohen |
| 23:27 |
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* dcook |
looks forward to reading the minutes |
| 23:27 |
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tcohen |
hi dcook |
| 23:27 |
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bag |
thanks tcohen |
| 23:28 |
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bag |
tcohen++ |
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dcook |
Dang, cait...1:30am? |
| 23:28 |
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tcohen |
night every1 |
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dcook |
hey, tcohen |
| 23:28 |
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dcook |
and night :) |
| 23:28 |
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tcohen |
wife is waiting for me to cook! |
| 23:29 |
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dcook |
heh |
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dcook |
oleonard++ |
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