| Time |
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| 00:00 |
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rangi |
the trackpad is a bit overly sensitive, but i like everything else |
| 00:00 |
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rangi |
https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 <-- thats what i have |
| 00:00 |
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eythian |
It cries to the Princess Bride eh? |
| 00:02 |
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rangi |
constantly |
| 00:02 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: if you use Linux, a bunch of my friends report the Thinkpad x1 being good. |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
yep that and the t440 |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
were the other 2 i looked at |
| 00:03 |
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pianohacker |
cool, thanks |
| 00:11 |
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| 01:17 |
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eythian |
wahanui: kohacon10 is https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10 |
| 01:17 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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| 02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
confetti is also https://31.media.tumblr.com/f5[…]1tt9lrzo6_250.gif |
| 02:12 |
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wahanui |
okay, wizzyrea. |
| 02:37 |
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| 03:12 |
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eythian |
'query' => '(_all:book) AND (author:rose)' |
| 03:12 |
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eythian |
now we're getting somewhere |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian++ |
| 03:40 |
|
dcook |
map++ |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
| 03:40 |
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dcook |
eythian for using map which made me think to use map :) |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
eythian: Any ideas about its performance vs foreach and recursive subs? |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
Or is it just sexier? |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
Well, it's different. |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
I don't know about the relative performance. |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
probably not significant |
| 03:43 |
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dcook |
Hmm, cool beans |
| 03:44 |
|
dcook |
I like writing 1 line rather than 5 lines in this case... |
| 03:44 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's why I like it. |
| 03:45 |
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dcook |
What are your thoughts on declaring a variable before a foreach loop and then populating that variable in the foreach loop so as to get the "previous element"? |
| 03:45 |
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dcook |
I didn't need to do it in the end, but it seems suboptimal :/ |
| 03:45 |
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dcook |
A recursive sub makes it look a bit nicer, but that also seems suboptimal, although perhaps not too bad if you're using references.. |
| 03:45 |
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| 03:46 |
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eythian |
hmm, I don't think it's the worst thing ever. |
| 03:46 |
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longrider |
I am trying to deploy solr in my koha |
| 03:47 |
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dcook |
longrider: The solr folk should be online in about 3-4 hours, I think |
| 03:47 |
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eythian |
longrider: as far as I can tell, the SOLR code currently in stock koha simply won't work. |
| 03:47 |
|
longrider |
open a browser and go to http://localhost:8983/solr/koha/admin/ you will see the solr administration page you SolrAPI will be http://localhost:8983/solr/koha (nothing to see) |
| 03:47 |
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dcook |
eythian: Cool. Always trying to find ways of improving my Perl writing... |
| 03:48 |
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dcook |
longrider: Where are you reading these instructions? |
| 03:48 |
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longrider |
I am ok on the above step |
| 03:49 |
|
longrider |
dcook |
| 03:49 |
|
longrider |
I got it in the following |
| 03:49 |
|
longrider |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Solr_deployment |
| 03:51 |
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eythian |
I wouldn't expect it to work. |
| 03:52 |
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| 03:52 |
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dcook |
With eythian on this one |
| 03:53 |
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longrider |
Anybody here can help me? |
| 03:53 |
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dcook |
longrider: As I suggested, maybe in 3-4 hours. |
| 03:53 |
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eythian |
longrider: yes, we've been telling you that it probably won't work. |
| 03:53 |
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dcook |
Also that |
| 03:53 |
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wahanui |
i think Also that is a giant undertaking |
| 03:54 |
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longrider |
eythian |
| 03:54 |
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longrider |
some libraries are using solr |
| 03:54 |
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eythian |
yes, in France with custom code from biblibre I think. |
| 03:59 |
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eythian |
actually, there's a chance it might. |
| 03:59 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure how well though. |
| 04:02 |
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eythian |
ah, a lot of the issues I saw with it are because it requires code that's on github, not on cpan. |
| 04:03 |
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eythian |
So, you might have some luck. |
| 04:03 |
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eythian |
But I'd consider your reasons in the first place, it may be a maintenance headache. |
| 04:05 |
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longrider |
ys |
| 04:07 |
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mtj_ |
longrider: afaik, only the biblibre people have deployed koha with solr |
| 04:08 |
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mtj_ |
no one else |
| 04:08 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it no one else is testing the Ubuntu-specific patches |
| 04:10 |
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mtj_ |
... and as eythian said, using custom code not currently in koha stable |
| 04:11 |
|
eythian |
in other news however, elastic search now has basic and advanced search working. |
| 04:11 |
|
eythian |
though limiting on adv search needs a bit of work still. |
| 04:12 |
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mtj_ |
sounds like some awesome progress |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj_ |
Language Analyzers in ES look impressy -> www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-lang-analyzer.html |
| 04:16 |
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eythian |
yeah there'll be some neat stuff we can do like that. |
| 04:17 |
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mtj_ |
oooh, language-detection plugin -> http://gibrown.wordpress.com/2[…]in-elasticsearch/ |
| 04:20 |
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mtj_ |
i wonder if any other ILS' use ES? |
| 04:26 |
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eythian |
I don't know |
| 04:28 |
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dcook |
I suppose ICA-AtoM is ILS-like? Pretty sure it does |
| 04:29 |
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eythian |
vier -ish |
| 04:29 |
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eythian |
err |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
very |
| 04:29 |
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eythian |
it's a moderately different use case. |
| 04:30 |
|
eythian |
and quite different standards/practices. |
| 04:31 |
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dcook |
Makes sense |
| 04:32 |
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eythian |
@later tell magnuse how come the nomarc record.abs doesn't have 942$c as itype? |
| 04:32 |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:43 |
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eythian |
longrider: an email that says "it's not working" isn't likely to be acted upon. Better would be to say what part of it isn't working, get help with that, and then update the documentation. |
| 04:44 |
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longrider |
http://<pro.community.local>/cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/solr/indexes.pl |
| 04:45 |
|
longrider |
on the Validation step |
| 04:45 |
|
longrider |
It do not produce anyting |
| 04:46 |
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eythian |
no one can actually visit that, it's not a real URL. |
| 04:46 |
|
longrider |
and when I run $ ./misc/migration_tools/rebuild_solr.pl -i |
| 04:47 |
|
longrider |
It also produce error |
| 04:47 |
|
eythian |
what is the error? |
| 04:48 |
|
longrider |
The solr config index file (/home/koha/solr/etc/searchengine/solr/config.yaml) for Solr is not exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/SearchEngine/Solr/Config.pm |
| 04:49 |
|
longrider |
But I set rightly acccording to the documentation |
| 04:50 |
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eythian |
does the file exist? It's not likely it says that it doesn't exist when it does. |
| 04:50 |
|
longrider |
The solr config index file (/home/koha/solr/etc/searchengine/solr/config.yaml) for Solr is not exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/SearchEngine/Solr/Config.pm line 59. |
| 04:50 |
|
longrider |
yes |
| 04:50 |
|
longrider |
file exist |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
hmm, I'm not sure then |
| 04:52 |
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| 05:10 |
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longrider |
Welcome biblibre people |
| 05:10 |
|
longrider |
Please help me for deploying solr with koha |
| 05:12 |
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dcook |
These paths "/home/koha/solr/etc/searchengine/solr/config.yaml" and "/usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/SearchEngine/Solr/Config.pm" make it look like you're using a non-package install...which is expecting code according to package directories |
| 05:12 |
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dcook |
s/package directores/directories expected by a package install/ |
| 05:13 |
|
dcook |
But again, I don't do anything with Solr, so no clue |
| 05:13 |
|
dcook |
Well, not Solr w/ Koha at least |
| 05:19 |
|
longrider |
I have solves the non exist issues |
| 05:19 |
|
longrider |
now when I run the command ./rebuild_solr.pl -i |
| 05:19 |
|
longrider |
It produce |
| 05:20 |
|
longrider |
SolrAPI = http://localhost:8983/solr/koha Solr is Down |
| 05:20 |
|
longrider |
But I am getting my solr is running |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
Good, ES item type limits are now working. |
| 05:25 |
|
eythian |
that'll have to do for the evening unfortunately. |
| 05:26 |
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dcook |
well done, eythian! |
| 05:26 |
|
dcook |
have a good one |
| 05:35 |
|
longrider |
I have solved solr down problem |
| 05:36 |
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dcook |
well done, longrider |
| 05:36 |
|
longrider |
But I do not getting record index |
| 05:36 |
|
longrider |
It produce |
| 05:37 |
|
longrider |
SolrAPI = http://localhost:8983/solr/koha |
| 05:37 |
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longrider |
How many indexed documents = 0; |
| 05:38 |
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* dcook |
loves using 0123456789 as a test ISBN, especially for Amazon images. Hehe. |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:33 |
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magnuse |
@later tell eythian i have no idea... :-/ |
| 06:33 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:53 |
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wahanui |
niihau, reiveune |
| 06:53 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 06:53 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on June 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:53 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 06:53 |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
| 06:53 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 18.3°C (8:53 AM CEST on June 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:53 |
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magnuse |
hah! |
| 06:53 |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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fridolin |
hie all |
| 07:10 |
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magnuse |
bonjour fridolin |
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fridolin |
bonjour magnuse |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 07:37 |
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wahanui |
hola, gaetan_B |
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| 08:01 |
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rangi |
Joubu: we tried to tell the person that on irc, but they wouldnt believe us, hopefully they believe your email |
| 08:02 |
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Joubu |
rangi: :) |
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Joubu |
But why would you lie to him? ... |
| 08:04 |
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rangi |
:) who knows :) |
| 08:05 |
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rangi |
Joubu: i made a branch here http://git.koha-community.org/[…]efs/heads/MM-OPAC |
| 08:05 |
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rangi |
where i can push stuff for tcohen to merge |
| 08:06 |
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Joubu |
rangi: great! Are all MM able to create a branch? |
| 08:06 |
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rangi |
would you like me to make a MM-Tools one for you, and set it up so you can push to it? |
| 08:07 |
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rangi |
what i acan do is give you push to MM-Tools and MM-Tools/* |
| 08:07 |
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rangi |
so you can make branches under it too if you want |
| 08:07 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes, of course. Not sure it would be interesting for tools. But for Acq, it will be |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
right, are you doing both? |
| 08:08 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
i could make MM-Tools-ACQ |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
or i could make 2 different ones |
| 08:08 |
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rangi |
what do you prefer? |
| 08:09 |
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Joubu |
I think 2 differents is better |
| 08:09 |
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rangi |
will do |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
right, set up, if you push to MM-ACQ it should work (same with MM-Tools) |
| 08:14 |
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Joubu |
thanks rangi. I have nothing to push right now, but I hope to push some stuffs on MM-ACQ soon! |
| 08:15 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 08:17 |
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Joubu |
rangi: for instance, bug 12336 is passed QA, and pushed to MM-OPAC. Did you communicate with Tomas about this patch ? |
| 08:17 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12336 normal, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Passed QA , Author of reserved book is not displayed in opac-user.pl |
| 08:17 |
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rangi |
i did indeed |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
ok.. stupid question.. where are patron flags set in the code.. |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
I can't the wood for the trees in here this moring |
| 08:17 |
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rangi |
sent him a pull request even |
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| 08:18 |
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rangi |
members/member-flags.pl |
| 08:18 |
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Joubu |
rangi: don't you think it could be interesting to have this information on the bug report, something like "I pushed this into MM-*" ? |
| 08:18 |
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rangi |
ashimema: |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
yeah i was thinking to make a new status |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
instead of pushed to master |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
pushed to module maintainer |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
or something like that |
| 08:19 |
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* magnuse |
was thinking that might come in handy too |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
that way we could see them on the dashboard too |
| 08:20 |
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ashimema |
hi rangi |
| 08:20 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yep, it could be great |
| 08:20 |
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ashimema |
hi Joubu |
| 08:20 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: o/ |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
i was chatting with tcohen, we might push tiny ones direct to master |
| 08:20 |
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rangi |
and complicated ones to our branches |
| 08:21 |
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rangi |
but its a new thing, so i think we will refine as we go |
| 08:21 |
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rangi |
until we get to something that works well |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
sounds like the MM's are getting going.. nice to see.. |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
good work |
| 08:21 |
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rangi |
ashimema: the member-flags.pl was for you :) |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
cheers rangi.. |
| 08:21 |
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ashimema |
just reading it now.. thanks. |
| 08:21 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes, of course. It's useless to have a complex workflow at the beginning |
| 08:22 |
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Joubu |
and not sure, we will reach a complex one at the end... |
| 08:22 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 08:23 |
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ashimema |
aha.. no wonder I couldn't find it.. |
| 08:23 |
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ashimema |
I was expecting the db access in a module in C4.. |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
did everyone see this http://koha-community.org/nz-k[…]trademark-update/ |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
woohoo! |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
ashimema: yes it really should be |
| 08:25 |
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ashimema |
nice work on the trademark.. hadn't spoted that yet. |
| 08:27 |
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ashimema |
ack.. sod this.. I'm gonna just use dbic in my hack script |
| 08:30 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 08:34 |
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ashimema |
at least now I have somewhere to start when working out how the numbers are constructed.. was all black magic before ;) |
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magnuse |
hm, is it possible to make koha suggest the cardnumber as username, not firstname.surname? |
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alex_a |
je déco / je reco |
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WaylonR |
hiya all. koha 3.0.0pre2 .... I can't seem to be able to modify a marc subfield. 856u, currently linked to biblioitems.url, I would like to set it to repeatable.. but the marc framework editor won't change it. |
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WaylonR |
how do i edit marc framework via mysql? |
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WaylonR |
huh.. nevermind... |
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oleonard-away |
Hi #koha |
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tcohen |
morning! |
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wahanui |
morning is probably a state of the cait |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: thanks |
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oleonard |
branch "MM-OPAC" ? |
| 12:41 |
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magnuse |
module maintainer for the opac |
| 12:42 |
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magnuse |
= rangi |
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tcohen |
yeah |
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oleonard |
Ah. |
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tcohen |
he'll be integrating patch series there for the RM to pull |
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tcohen |
morning oleonard |
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oleonard |
Hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
we should discourage the use of Ubuntu 14.04 immediately |
| 12:43 |
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magnuse |
or it's a new flavour of cookie "mmm... opac!" |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 12:45 |
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oleonard |
What's up with Ubuntu 14.04? |
| 12:46 |
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tcohen |
there's code (in Koha) that relies on Perl hashes key order |
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tcohen |
which has been randomized in Perl 5.18 (which 14.04 ships) |
| 12:47 |
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tcohen |
at least QueryParser code does |
| 12:47 |
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tcohen |
I hope we can get that jenkins nodes running soon |
| 12:47 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: it's only significant in the unit test, so just tell people not to expect those unit tests to run. |
| 12:47 |
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jcamins |
Though I had the tests pass on Ubuntu 14.04. |
| 12:48 |
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jcamins |
But only once. |
| 12:49 |
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tcohen |
bug 12343 |
| 12:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order |
| 12:50 |
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jcamins |
Oh, well, that's something else. |
| 12:50 |
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tcohen |
unfortunately |
| 12:50 |
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tcohen |
:-( |
| 12:50 |
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tcohen |
at least it has a patch attached :-D |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
Hey, tcohen, I don't suppose I sent you my gitconfig file? |
| 12:53 |
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jcamins |
(months ago, prior to changing servers) |
| 12:57 |
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tcohen |
i don't think I have your gitconfig |
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jcamins |
Nah, I didn't think so either, but I thought there was a very slight chance you might. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: From now on randomly mail out your gitconfig file at regular intervals. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yeah, in hindsight that would be wise. |
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ashimema |
confused |
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wahanui |
somebody said confused was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" |
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khall |
is jenkins no longer running? |
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bag |
khall: I would assume it’s running |
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bag |
why whats up? |
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Joubu |
khall: it launched master tests 1 day 15 hr ago |
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Joubu |
see http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ |
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khall |
my unit tests are failing, and it's due to the issue of C4::Context::dbh not being shaired by Koha::Database. |
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khall |
The reason it's not failing on Jenkins is that the data is already in the test database on jenkins, so it doesn't need to be created, so the unit test isn't failing |
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khall |
If you don't have the S and PT categories in your database already, Reserves.t will fail |
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Joubu |
khall: There are 3 failures on master |
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Joubu |
khall: note that the jenkins config does not include all unit test files |
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Joubu |
for instance, it does not launch files if depth is > 1 |
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Joubu |
If I remember well, it does something like prove t/* prove t/db_dependent/* |
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Joubu |
and some directories explicitely listed |
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khall |
that should run Reserves.t |
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Joubu |
which is really a shame... |
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Joubu |
khall: against master: prove t/db_dependent/Reserves.t returns "All tests successful." |
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khall |
do you have patron categories S and PT in your database already? |
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Joubu |
khall: I created my DB (the one I use for unit tests) with the patch on bug 10337 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone |
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Joubu |
khall: and yes, I have S and PT |
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khall |
that's why it's passing for you but not me! |
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khall |
a default ut database would be nice |
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Joubu |
khall: yes, 10337 is there for that. I really would like to see something like that in master |
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tcohen |
Joubu, khall: jenkins nodes might have a db dump to be loaded before running the tests |
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tcohen |
I hope we can have new nodes for the tests soon |
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Joubu |
tcohen: we can define a sql dump in the jenkins configuration ? |
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tcohen |
jenkins just tells the node to run a shell script |
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tcohen |
in the logs look for the lines that start with + |
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tcohen |
i'm pretty sure we can do a mysql koha_3_12 < file.sql before running the unit tests |
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Joubu |
tcohen: that could be great to do something with the patch 10337 so |
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Joubu |
tcohen: I am not sure that having a sql file is a good idea. But having a script which generates a dump would be better. |
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tcohen |
Joubu: having the test suit to build its own data |
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oleonard |
Are we, uh... supposed be having a meeting? |
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thd |
Yes. |
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ashimema |
did someone say meeting.. |
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thd |
Exactly. |
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thd |
tcohen: Are you leading the meeting? |
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reiveune |
bye |
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tcohen |
thd: i'd like to but have never done that |
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tcohen |
can anyone start it and I comment after that? |
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thd |
tcohen: I think so. |
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ashimema |
https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
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thd |
tcohen: I think that you only have to issue the command startmeeting. |
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ashimema |
those are the instructions cait pointed me to when I took over for her at a meeting. |
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ashimema |
give him a couple of mins to read the basics maybe ;) |
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slef |
yengh |
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tcohen |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jun 4 15:10:35 2014 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting' |
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ashimema |
or there's the in depth manual at: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html |
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slef |
tcohen: I can if you prefer and hope my conn... never mind :) |
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tcohen |
slef: thanks |
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ashimema |
:) |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC |
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thd |
tcohen: Is this the development meeting or the general meeting? |
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slef |
tcohen: I think you want #topic Introductions |
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slef |
thd: got agenda link handy? |
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oleonard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]3_and_4_June_2014 |
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tcohen |
can anyone take the role for me? |
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slef |
tcohen: yes, say #chair NICKNAME |
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ashimema |
you'll need to add them as a chair with '#chair nick' |
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ashimema |
;) |
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tcohen |
#chair slef |
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huginn |
Current chairs: slef tcohen |
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slef |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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slef |
Hello and welcome. Please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC |
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slef |
#info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
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ashimema |
#info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
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thd |
tcohen: You should set topics in the agenda with #topic Introductions, etc. |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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tcohen |
thanks thd |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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ashimema |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]3_and_4_June_2014 for agenda |
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slef |
other introductions will need to happen as we move on |
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slef |
thanks ashimema |
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slef |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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ashimema |
;) |
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slef |
#info The NZ TM has been registered and is being held in trust by HLT (rangi, 22:08:38) |
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* oleonard |
cheers |
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slef |
I think I saw a blog post about that earlier if anyone would like more details? |
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slef |
Any other announcements? |
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slef |
#link http://koha-community.org/nz-k[…]trademark-update/ |
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oleonard |
#link http://koha-community.org/nz-k[…]trademark-update/ |
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oleonard |
jinx |
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ashimema |
3.16 released since last meeting wasn't it? |
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ashimema |
that a worthy one? |
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slef |
ashimema: we've release updates next |
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ashimema |
lol.. yup. |
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ashimema |
my bad |
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slef |
so let's move to that |
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slef |
#topic Update on releases |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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slef |
ashimema: can you up arrow a few times, Home and add #info to that? ;-) |
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thd |
slef: arrow? |
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slef |
#info 3.16.1 will be released in mid-June; there will be some important bugfixes in it (gmcharlt, 22:11:08) |
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slef |
thd: yeah yeah my keyboard doesn't have arrows on it |
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slef |
Any RMs in? |
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slef |
Or RMaints |
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* gmcharlt |
is here, but well, nothing more to say about 3.16.1 |
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tcohen |
I had an announcement, and a few comments on 3.18 |
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thd |
slef: What mini device is that with no arrows? |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS |
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slef |
tcohen: go for it |
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gmcharlt |
#info Galen Charlton, ESI |
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* tcohen |
is concerned about Perl 5.18 compatibility |
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tcohen |
specifically the hash keys randomization |
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gmcharlt |
QueryParser has some issues with it; I'm planning to look at it |
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tcohen |
and am evaluating discouraging people from using distributions that ship Perl 5.18 for now |
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ashimema |
colin highlighted it some time ago if i remember rightly. |
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ashimema |
we agree.. we should be working toward newer perl compatability |
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slef |
#link http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=1005122 is a description from late 2012 |
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thd |
Is it random or merely inscrutable efficiency? |
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slef |
#info tcohen is concerned about Perl 5.18 compatibility and specifically the hash keys randomization |
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tcohen |
thd: each thread has its own seed |
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oleonard |
Sufficiently inscrutable efficiency is indistinguishable from random? |
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slef |
#link http://perldoc.perl.org/perl58[…]ash-Randomisation is a more authoritative source |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: I've been into QueryParser yesterday and it seems that it is related to the unit tests, and that the effects doesnt affect the semantics/results |
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slef |
"the ordering has already changed several times during the lifetime of Perl 5" |
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tcohen |
but i'm glad to hear that you're stepping in |
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thd |
tcohen: What is the actual issue, multithreaded behaviour or hash keys lack of recognisable orderliness? |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I disagree; the tests show that the hash-order randomization somehow leads to a given query being translated into different PQF queries |
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tcohen |
there is code that relies in things like grabbing the first element of a results hash |
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slef |
Should we be worried about the UTF-8-related changes on there? |
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gmcharlt |
IOW, it's pretty clearly an issue if you can't count on a given query being translated into the same base Z39.50 query |
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slef |
Do we rely on locale to set UTF-8 on filehandles at all? |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: i agree, what i meant to say is that both PQF queries mean (ultimately) the same |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: should we report QueryParser stuff to upstream or just patch our copy? |
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slef |
ashimema: any idea where colin highlighted it? I'm not finding it by searching yet. |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I intend to tackle both ends |
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tcohen |
bug 12343 |
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ashimema |
pass.. I'll see if I can dig it out.. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order |
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ashimema |
but i do remember the conversation coming up some time ago.. believe it was highlighted to jcamins.. |
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ashimema |
I am talking like a year or so though.. |
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slef |
tcohen++ |
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gmcharlt |
and possibly, if tuits permit (but I make no promises) see about factoring QP out into an independent CPAN module that both Koha and Evergreen can use |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:28 |
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ashimema |
Colin run's koha on his fedora machine.. so tends to pick up new perl issues pretty wuick |
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slef |
ok, any more #info we'd like to minute about this? |
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tcohen |
yes |
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slef |
tcohen: go ahead, please. |
| 15:29 |
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ashimema |
gmcharlt++ |
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tcohen |
UNC is about to provide 4 virtual machines, running Debian {6|7} and Ubuntu {12.04|14.04} |
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gmcharlt |
UNC++ |
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tcohen |
we'll need one more running Debian testing |
| 15:30 |
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ashimema |
#info UNC is about to provide 4 virtual machines, running Debian {6|7} and Ubuntu {12.04|14.04} |
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tcohen |
to have the master branch tested on all of them |
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ashimema |
UNC++ |
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slef |
cool |
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tcohen |
they will of course be jenkins nodes |
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tcohen |
who are the jenkins admins to coordinate this? rangi and gmcharlt? |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yep |
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tcohen |
awesome |
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tcohen |
ok, done |
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slef |
ok, moving on |
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slef |
#topic Code of Conduct |
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Topic for #koha is now Code of Conduct (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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slef |
#link http://paste.koha-community.org/24 |
| 15:33 |
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slef |
I think this is overdue and I suspect action has been inspired by #slutgate2014 |
| 15:33 |
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slef |
Do people generally support the idea of adopting a code of conduct? |
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thd |
Is that an actual nick? |
| 15:34 |
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slef |
thd: it was a twitter hashtag I think |
| 15:34 |
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jwagner |
With regard to the wording "at any Koha event" -- does that mean it's limited to conferences, etc.? What about online meetings, general IRC or listserv? |
| 15:35 |
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thd |
We should be fostering an environment for which no one would ever think of behaving in a manner for which a code of conduct would ever need to be used. |
| 15:35 |
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tcohen |
jwagner: i'd agree to make general, but we should find a way to define how can it be enforced |
| 15:35 |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: with respect to the Evergreen policy, the wording is intended to refer to physical events |
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slef |
I'd expect it to apply more widely, but I don't know if online already has its own policies. |
| 15:36 |
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gmcharlt |
however, the ultimate goal is to have it apply to online fora |
| 15:36 |
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gmcharlt |
similar to (say) the Code4Lib code of conduct |
| 15:36 |
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gmcharlt |
which explicitly includes the IRC channel and mailing list |
| 15:36 |
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jwagner |
I think it would be useful to find some wording to extend to online presences -- harassment can just as easily occur in virtual as well as physical |
| 15:36 |
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gmcharlt |
I would be in favor of having Koha's code of conduct extended to online |
| 15:37 |
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thd |
gmchart: If that is intended, then the word "posting" should be qualified. |
| 15:37 |
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ashimema |
++ |
| 15:37 |
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slef |
I would prefer the wording to be more like Debian's, but I don't think we're debating detailed wording yet. |
| 15:37 |
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tcohen |
could we vote the code of conduct, and in a next meeting vote again on how it would be applied to online ? |
| 15:38 |
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slef |
Please can I have a show of +1 0 or -1 on the general idea of the code of conduct, not that exact wording? |
| 15:38 |
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thd |
The first use of the word "posting" is part of an overly broad statement which could have unintended consequences. |
| 15:38 |
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jwagner |
+1 |
| 15:38 |
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ashimema |
+1 |
| 15:38 |
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tcohen |
+1 # having a code of conduct |
| 15:38 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
| 15:39 |
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slef |
#link https://www.debian.org/vote/20[…]02#amendmenttexta includes debian's recent code just below that point |
| 15:39 |
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thd |
+1 # Only after some modest additional amendment. |
| 15:39 |
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slef |
and +1 from me, so... |
| 15:39 |
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slef |
#agreed the general idea of adopting a code of conduct, not that exact wording |
| 15:40 |
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slef |
Can those interested take the discussion/development of the wording to the email lists, please? |
| 15:40 |
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slef |
OK to move on? |
| 15:40 |
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jwagner |
slef, I'd suggest setting a deadline for coming up with wording, or it will drag on forever |
| 15:41 |
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gmcharlt |
shall we say by the July meeting for a final draft to vote on? |
| 15:41 |
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slef |
jwagner: would kohacon14 be a suitable deadline? |
| 15:41 |
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jwagner |
I don't really care -- whatever gives people time to work on it |
| 15:41 |
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gmcharlt |
it would be better to have it be approved prior to the conference |
| 15:41 |
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jwagner |
but open-ended discussions never get finished |
| 15:41 |
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tcohen |
+1 # deadline before conference |
| 15:42 |
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slef |
gmcharlt: agreed. When is it? ;-) |
| 15:42 |
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slef |
6-13 October |
| 15:42 |
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slef |
says my calendar |
| 15:42 |
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slef |
which might be wrong |
| 15:42 |
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tcohen |
that's correct slef |
| 15:42 |
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gmcharlt |
http://koha-community.org/koha[…]hacon14/schedule/ |
| 15:43 |
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slef |
#agreed we would like this approved before kohacon14 |
| 15:43 |
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slef |
OK to move on? |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
can we say that the current wording is approved |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
with a timeframe for ammendments? |
| 15:43 |
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slef |
tcohen: I'm not comfortable with it. |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
ok |
| 15:44 |
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slef |
as in, I'm sure it got ripped to shreds by one community I'm involved with, but I don't have it handy right now |
| 15:44 |
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slef |
they could be wrong or my memory may be wrong ;-) |
| 15:44 |
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thd |
tcohen: We should discuss the wording on the mailing list. I think a few people including myself have a problem with the language. |
| 15:44 |
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slef |
but I'd like to check and I apologise for not spotting the paste before now |
| 15:44 |
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* gmcharlt |
will start a thread on the general mailing list |
| 15:44 |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:44 |
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slef |
#action gmcharlt will start a thread on the general mailing list |
| 15:45 |
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slef |
#topic Kohacon14 |
| 15:45 |
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Topic for #koha is now Kohacon14 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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| 15:45 |
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tcohen |
We'll be calling for sponsorship the next week |
| 15:45 |
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slef |
tcohen: do you know about this? |
| 15:45 |
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slef |
heh |
| 15:45 |
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slef |
#info call for sponsorship expected next week |
| 15:45 |
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tcohen |
we have most of the stuff covered by UNC |
| 15:46 |
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tcohen |
we need funding for the spanish -> english translators |
| 15:46 |
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tcohen |
^^^^^^ that'd be our main need |
| 15:46 |
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slef |
¿Donde estan los elephantes? |
| 15:46 |
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tcohen |
as there are some latin-american speakers signed already |
| 15:47 |
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slef |
interpreters rather than translators, I assume? |
| 15:47 |
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tcohen |
exactly |
| 15:48 |
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tcohen |
that's it |
| 15:48 |
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slef |
right... I read from last meeting that a few presentations have been submitted |
| 15:48 |
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slef |
please let the community know if there is anything we can do to help |
| 15:48 |
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slef |
#topic kohacon15 |
| 15:48 |
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Topic for #koha is now kohacon15 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
| 15:49 |
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tcohen |
i'm currently struggling to get hands to work on the conference site |
| 15:49 |
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slef |
There's a proposal from Nigeria and an expression of interest from Zambia. |
| 15:49 |
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slef |
#action mtj_ is going to repost the call for conference organisers for kohacon15 |
| 15:49 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, slef. |
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slef |
wahanui: forget #action mtj_ |
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wahanui |
slef: I forgot #action mtj_ |
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slef |
tcohen: the conference website, or the physical site? |
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slef |
Anyone have other comments on kohacon15? |
| 15:50 |
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tcohen |
the website |
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wahanui |
i guess the website is http://www.koha-community.org |
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slef |
#info Can anyone help with the kohacon14 conference website, please? Contact tcohen |
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slef |
#topic Actions from the last meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from the last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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tcohen |
thanks slef |
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slef |
afaik there are none - anyone want to correct me? |
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slef |
guessing not |
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slef |
#topic date and time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now date and time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting) |
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slef |
how about july 2nd and 3rd same times 22 UTC and 15 UTC? |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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slef |
is it just me, or is that sliding a day later? |
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oleonard |
Is that what was voted on in the previous session? |
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slef |
yeah |
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slef |
but rangi said we could unagree it if we wannt |
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thd |
Those dates are a problem in the US. |
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oleonard |
Not for me. |
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slef |
thd: howso? |
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thd |
The occur at the end of ALA and just before the US independence holiday. |
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* slef |
checks ALA |
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slef |
hrm, it's not on http://digital-conferences-calendar.info/ |
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slef |
http://ala14.ala.org/ |
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gmcharlt |
ALA runs from 26 June though 1 July |
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gmcharlt |
FWIW, I have no problem with 2/3 July for the next meeting |
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slef |
right - that's probably why it's slid a day then... seems OK to me... not great, but it's difficult to give everything a margin of several days |
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thd |
Some people would be returning from ALA on the 2 and 3 of July. |
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slef |
at least we don't overlap |
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slef |
thd: do you have a suggested alternative? |
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thd |
I would suggest adding a week. |
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slef |
Anyone mind adding a week? |
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thd |
s/adding a week/a week later/ |
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oleonard |
Fine with me |
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gmcharlt |
no objection |
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slef |
how about 9th and 10th July same times 22 UTC and 15 UTC? +1 0 or -1 please |
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oleonard |
+1 |
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slef |
0 |
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thd |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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slef |
#agreed 9th and 10th July same times 22 UTC and 15 UTC |
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slef |
the earlier meeting can flame us if they want ;-) |
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slef |
Thank you all for taking part |
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slef |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.0 is available! Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 16:02:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-04-15.10.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-06-04-15.10.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-15.10.log.html |
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oleonard |
No a representative from each meeting must engage in single combat |
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slef |
ohhh I wish that had made it into the log |
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slef |
never mind |
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wahanui |
Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
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slef |
wahanui: what is the problem? |
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wahanui |
the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
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* gmcharlt |
engages in violent thumb-wrestling with himself |
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slef |
Can someone add those links to the meeting wiki page, please? |
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* gmcharlt |
will do so |
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thd |
slef: Can you explain #slutgate2014 to me? It seems to have been censored online |
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oleonard |
Censored online, or you didn't find anything with that tag? |
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gmcharlt |
that tag didn't really get uptake |
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gmcharlt |
thd: one moment |
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gmcharlt |
http://www.attemptingelegance.com/?p=2420 |
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thd |
oleonard: Maybe the later. I do not have the correct query term. |
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gmcharlt |
http://stephenslighthouse.com/[…]nd-i-cant-fix-it/ |
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oleonard |
/2014/06/02/apoligy-i-made-a-mistake-and-i-literally-cant-apologize-to-save-my-life/ |
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oleonard |
/also-remember-that-time-i-compared-open-source-software-to-terrorism/ |
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thd |
No policy will prevent people making mistakes without realising it. Richard Stallman made a much smaller mistake but still a problematic one quoting historical usage at the LibrePlanet conference organised by FSF. |
| 16:23 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: prevent? no. Reduce the chances? yes |
| 16:23 |
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thd |
The bigger problem in the case of Richard Stallman quoting something inappropriate is that he did not realise that even quoting it now would be inappropriate. |
| 16:23 |
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gmcharlt |
a code of conduct signals that the community and its events are welcome to all |
| 16:24 |
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gmcharlt |
and the existence of it can help folks realize that there are circumstances where their behavior may be unwelcome, and to learn why and how to regulate it |
| 16:25 |
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oleonard |
...and help folks realize that if they are the victim of inappropriate conduct that they will be supported by the organizers |
| 16:25 |
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thd |
I recognise the purpose. The fact that some people really need the reminder scares me. |
| 16:25 |
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jcamins |
That makes having the reminder all the more important, not less important. |
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thd |
jcamins: You are exactly right. |
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oleonard |
And what's all this about somebody suing somebody and everyone's afraid to talk about it? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: exactly. |
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thd |
oleonard: The support language is the most troubling in case KohaCon would be held somewhere where an inappropriate remark brought to the intention of authorities could lead to an overzealous prosecution with the death penalty or something otherwise disproportionate for offending the local authorities. |
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jcamins |
thd: if an organizer *ever* refused to contact the authorities when a participant felt they needed legal redress, I would sincerely hope that every single person at that conference would walk out. |
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thd |
jcamins: Refusing would also be wrong. |
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thd |
I think the issue could be fixed with a couple of qualifying words. |
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thd |
jcamins: I think that we should be able to hold KohaCon in places where the local laws about even unintended offence can be so severe that you would prefer the home country authorities be contacted and not the local ones. |
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jcamins |
thd: I'm not discussing this. |
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thd |
Ok |
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mjk |
hey there. |
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mjk |
i just notice there's a new version of koha out |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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mjk |
would it be too soon to upgrade my club library's production server |
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gmcharlt |
it appeared, as if by magic |
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gmcharlt |
mjk: I'd recommend waiting until 3.16.1 later in June |
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gmcharlt |
though 3.16.0 is certainly good enough to test |
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mjk |
that's what i was thinking |
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mjk |
the new marc frameworks would be nice, but i can live without them |
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mjk |
for a few weeks |
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mjk |
we don't really have a testing server |
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mjk |
getting ready to upgrade my home linux box to mint 17, though. |
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mjk |
just about to burn the dvd a reboot for install |
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druthb |
gmcharlt++ # he knows why. |
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mjk |
hmm. |
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mjk |
so the consensu is wait till version 3.16.1 is out? |
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oleonard |
That advice is usually given about .0 releases |
| 16:55 |
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mjk |
also, will the upgrade be as simple as upgrading the packages then runninh koha-update? |
| 16:55 |
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mjk |
or will config files need tweaking? |
| 16:57 |
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mjk |
anyway. i'm shuttng down to start my desktop upgrade. see you guy in about 30 minutes. |
| 17:16 |
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oleonard |
Oooh, just ran into Bug 12328. I'll have to eat my words about not being able to reproduce it. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12328 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , report actions don't work in Chrome |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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gmcharlt |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt :) |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
is anyone available for a quick test on a master setup?¿ |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yep |
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tcohen |
i created two personal name authorities and tried to merge |
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tcohen |
and boom |
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tcohen |
http://snag.gy/ykity.jpg |
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gmcharlt |
haven't seen that before |
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gmcharlt |
was working OK when I tested the patch for bug 12295 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12295 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Javascript error when merging authorities |
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* gmcharlt |
tries again |
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* tcohen |
was about to push that one |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: what I'm doing now is specifically testing merging authorities that are linked to bibs |
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tcohen |
mine werent |
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jcamins |
I confirm the bug. |
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jcamins |
Actually, I take that back. Nothing works. |
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tcohen |
nothing like? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: main page, or anything else. |
| 17:51 |
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jcamins |
I withdraw my objections to saying that using Ubuntu 14.04 might be premature. |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: works for me (with the 12295 patch) for authorities that are linked to bibs |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: now trying with unlinked authorities |
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tcohen |
jcamins: maybe you've been hit by apache configuration issues? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I'm using Plack. |
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jcamins |
It lost the connection to MySQL. I got it working again, sort of. |
| 17:56 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: second test also works for me |
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tcohen |
Debian 7? |
| 17:56 |
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jcamins |
Okay, I figured it out. |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yep, I'm running Debian 7 |
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jcamins |
The latest version of Perl changed the way regular expressions work. |
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jcamins |
Useless use of '\'; doesn't escape metacharacter '(' at /home/jcamins/kohaclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 856 |
| 17:57 |
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jcamins |
Hey, this has already been reported many times. |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Except not on bugzilla. |
| 17:58 |
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tcohen |
heh, thanks for filling that bug jcamins |
| 17:59 |
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tcohen |
there's also bug 12151 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12151 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , remove remaining uses of the Perl smartmatch operator |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I was going to report that too. |
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jcamins |
Well, tell you about. |
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jcamins |
Wait, wait, wait. |
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jcamins |
tcohen: you have DEBUG enabled, don't you? |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: do you? |
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tcohen |
I don't |
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jcamins |
tcohen: never mind, then. |
| 18:02 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: no |
| 18:03 |
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jcamins |
Okay, so, I have no idea what the problem is. |
| 18:03 |
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jcamins |
Other than that Perl 5.whatever changed all the things. |
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tcohen |
why isn't C4::AuthoritiesMarc::merge using SimpleSearch? |
| 18:05 |
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jcamins |
Predates SimpleSearch? |
| 18:05 |
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jcamins |
(^guess) |
| 18:06 |
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gmcharlt |
seems likely |
| 18:13 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: one thought ... adding a test of ::merge() to Search.t, and seeing if it passes on your dev platform |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: i was thinking about that actually |
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* tcohen |
is puzzled |
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khall |
gmcharlt: can you weight in on bug 11801? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11801 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , In transit hold items incorrectly labeled as "Waiting to be pulled" on request.pl |
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gmcharlt |
khall: done |
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khall |
oohh, I like the way you think! |
| 18:37 |
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khall |
I can also agree with your last comment |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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pug |
hi cait |
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pug |
I was wondering if there is a obvious answer to - which drupal module provides the best integration with koha - opac module or the eXtensible Catalog module(s) |
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Viktor |
In circ - should "specify due date" clear between every issue (but doesn't)? Otherwise I don't understand what "Remember for session" is for. |
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Viktor |
I'm having a look at 10067 that we would like resolved and I'm starting to think that the problem is just that the specified due dates are not cleared as they should. |
| 19:40 |
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gmcharlt |
Viktor: I beleive that session in this context means "login session" |
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gmcharlt |
in other words, if you want the specified due date to be sticky for /all/ loans that the workstation makes that day |
| 19:41 |
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Viktor |
Hm. Too bad then. Thanks gmcharlt |
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Viktor |
I'll verify it and then look further. |
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cait |
Viktor: there hsould be a clear button to undu the specified due date |
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cait |
but i understand it like gmcharlt as well |
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cait |
undo... |
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wahanui |
undo is complete |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, there is |
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gmcharlt |
wahanui: forget undo |
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wahanui |
gmcharlt: I forgot undo |
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Viktor |
cait Yep - there is a clear button. But 10067 is about "decreaseLoanHighHolds" sticking a date in the box that stays there until you manually clear it. Which gives all subsequent issues shorter loan period until you remember to clear. |
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gmcharlt |
Viktor: ick. yeah, munging the duedatespec element like that isn't ideal |
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Brooke |
o/ |
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gmcharlt |
Viktor: indeed, I don't see any particular reason for it to do that at all; it seems like it would be sufficient for it simply to reduce the loan period with each checkout, individually |
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Viktor |
Exactly. |
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Viktor |
It annoys the librarians I work with quite a bit. |
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Viktor |
I thought I'd take a look around since it might be small enough a problem for me to grasp but it's a bit over my head anyway. |
| 20:21 |
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gmcharlt |
Viktor: I've updated the bug with a note that hopefully will help whoever tackles writing a patch for it |
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Viktor |
Great! |
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Viktor |
I guess I'll still poke around a bit with it but more to learn than actually hoping to get it solved. |
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Viktor |
Thanks for the help. |
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gmcharlt |
you're welcome |
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Viktor |
:) |
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Viktor |
It's a bit past bedtime here though so I'll say goodbye for now. |
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Brooke |
good night! |
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wahanui |
Don't go, Brooke. Stay a while. Stay forever. |
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Brooke |
oh Waha, why can't you be Zoia? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha tcohen |
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Brooke |
hi Mtompset and Tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi Brooke mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Brooke. |
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mtompset |
Is it meeting time, or can I ask a question? :) |
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tcohen |
yay! people from colombia submited a proposal for presentation |
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Brooke |
muy bueno! |
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mtompset |
Is anyone else able to git clone koha? |
| 20:30 |
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mtompset |
I keep getting protcol error messages. |
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tcohen |
at which stage mtompset |
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mtompset |
git clone. |
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mtompset |
during receive. |
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mtompset |
after the objects are compressed. |
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mtompset |
fatal: protocol error: bad line length character: Râ–’|â–’0 KiB/s |
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mtompset |
error: inflate: data stream error (invalid distance too far back) |
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mtompset |
fatal: pack has bad object at offset 3071120: inflate returned -3 |
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mtompset |
fatal: index-pack failed |
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mtompset |
The first line is an example of one error. |
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mtompset |
The next 3 are another. |
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rangi |
tcohen: off topic, did you get my pull request (just checking i sent it right) |
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mtompset |
All I wanted to do was re-test the git install instructions under 14.04 |
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rangi |
mtompset: its overloaded |
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rangi |
someone/something is pounding it |
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rangi |
its not ooming, but its maxed out its available connections |
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rangi |
if i gave it more connections it would OOM |
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tcohen |
I haven't chris |
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rangi |
tcohen: ill try again :) |
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mtompset |
OOM? |
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rangi |
out of memory |
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rangi |
it only has 512MB |
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mtompset |
It only has 512MB?! |
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rangi |
we might want to do an appeal for some dollars to up the vm to the next available size |
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tcohen |
the linode server? |
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rangi |
dunno if its a linode, its a bywater one |
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tcohen |
heh |
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rangi |
might be rackspace |
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* magnuse |
waves to Brooke |
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* Brooke |
waves back at Magnus! |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: mtompset: I've bounced git-daemon, and I'm trying a fresh clone |
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rangi |
fetch worked fine |
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rangi |
(and didnt before) |
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tcohen |
fetch worked here |
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* magnuse |
wishes #koha a good time of the day |
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tcohen |
you too magnuse |
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rangi |
cya magnuse |
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Brooke |
bye magnus! |
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rangi |
any bywaterians about? |
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Brooke |
11 mins til COB brah |
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tcohen |
rangi: could you drop me an email with what is needed to get those virtual servers ready for testing master? |
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tcohen |
i hope i have them next week |
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rangi |
righto |
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rangi |
ill try to do that tonight |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: rangi: the clone worked for me |
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mtompset |
clone failed for me. |
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rangi |
i suspect something on your end then, and that might be what is jamming up the server too |
| 20:56 |
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mtompset |
My cursed ISP? Perhaps. |
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mtompset |
I was having issues with a sudo apt-get update! |
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rangi |
that sounds likely then |
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mtompset |
okay... here we go the long way around... git clone on a remote vm, and then rsync. ;) |
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Brooke |
cheers mates! |
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rangi |
cya Brooke |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12336 - [SIGNED-OFF] Author of reserved book is not displayed in opac-user.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b6e11ce72152c1dba> / Bug 12280 - "Others..." reason for suggestions not showing in Bootstrap OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dca2a0c1f90921a60> |
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rangi |
tcohen: there is a new status on bugzilla now "pushed by module maintainer" |
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tcohen |
great |
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gmcharlt |
workflow impliactions? |
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wizzyrea |
moving git to linode might actually be cost effective, they're not that expensive |
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rangi |
after passed qa |
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gmcharlt |
as in, directly to master, or directly to an MM-owned repo? |
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rangi |
to a MM owned one |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: yeah, and SSD-backed I/O would be nice |
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rangi |
pushed to master if you push to master |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: thanks |
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wizzyrea |
it's like $216/yr for kohacommunity |
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rangi |
right |
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wizzyrea |
which seems not spendy to me. |
| 21:13 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, that's easily within the realm of a quick donation campaign to fund |
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tcohen |
how much RAM wizzyrea ? |
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mtompset |
A lot of deltas to resolve, but I think this external git clone worked okay. :) |
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wizzyrea |
2048 |
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wizzyrea |
that's the smallest they offer now, afaict |
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mtompset |
ah, very comparable to digital ocean. |
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tcohen |
can we pay for the whole year at once? |
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gmcharlt |
yeah |
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* gmcharlt |
notes that Viktor is now the newest dev to have a patch accepted |
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cait |
yay! |
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tcohen |
\o/ |
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rangi |
i think the history is maybe a bit out of date |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
i might get aleisha to fix that on tuesday |
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cait |
:) |
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eythian |
hi |
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eythian |
@later tell magnuse should it? I just noticed it when adding more mappings to the ES stuff. |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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mtj_ |
mtompset: you can always use the kc.org/koha repo on github, as a backup... |
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mtj_ |
https://github.com/Koha-Community |
| 22:39 |
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mtj_ |
...if you get stuck, and there's no one about on #irc |
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mtompset |
Thanks for that idea. |
| 22:39 |
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mtompset |
But I think it is my ISP. |
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mtj_ |
ah, ok... yeah, then your problem might still exist... :/ |
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mtj_ |
mtompset: perhaps cloing via http might help? |
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mtj_ |
$ git clone https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha.git |
| 22:42 |
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mtompset |
Well, I cloned remotely, and am trying rsync's. ;) |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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mtj_ |
hmm.. even a 1gig VM is only $120, at digital-ocean -> https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/ |
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mtj_ |
rangi, wizzyrea - that might do the trick... ^^ |
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wizzyrea |
probably easiest just to ask bywater to give it a bit more RAM |
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rangi |
yep |
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mtj_ |
yes, or that too :0) |
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mtj_ |
hey rangi, what are the MM branches used for, in git? |
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rangi |
module maintainers |
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wahanui |
module maintainers is still of interest to me.. look like a number of people have now volunteered.. |
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mtj_ |
aah, ok - nice idea |
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dcook |
rangi: how are you sending pull requests? |
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dcook |
I thought that was a uniquely GH thing? |
