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| 00:01 |
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eythian |
dcook: We do, koha-common. |
| 00:02 |
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eythian |
Ubuntu is moving to systemd in the future, as is Debian. However they'll have SysV compatibility for a long long time I expect. |
| 00:02 |
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tcohen |
both Debian and Ubuntu are moving away from upstart, in favour of systemd |
| 00:02 |
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tcohen |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that |
| 00:02 |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 00:09 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #662: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/662/ |
| 00:09 |
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jenkins_koha |
Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list |
| 00:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:19 |
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tcohen |
night #koha, really bad connectivity time (currently mobile) |
| 00:19 |
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eythian |
later |
| 00:29 |
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| 01:13 |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
| 01:13 |
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dcook |
yo wizzyrea |
| 01:13 |
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dcook |
How've you been? |
| 01:14 |
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wizzyrea |
well, busy :) |
| 01:15 |
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dcook |
Good busy? |
| 01:20 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I think so, how about you? |
| 01:22 |
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* mtj_ |
waves to wizzyrea, dcook, eythian |
| 01:22 |
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mtj_ |
hiyas :0) |
| 01:23 |
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wizzyrea |
hi mtj_ :) |
| 01:24 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Mmm, up and down, but up at the moment :) |
| 01:24 |
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dcook |
yo mtj_ |
| 01:25 |
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mtj_ |
...reading the scroll-back, i didnt know debian was even using upstart |
| 01:26 |
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eythian |
It's not |
| 01:26 |
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mtj_ |
aah :) |
| 01:26 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure what it actually does use, might be plain old sysv |
| 01:27 |
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mtj_ |
yeah, thats what i thought |
| 01:27 |
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dcook |
I think everything I've ever played with used sysv :S |
| 01:27 |
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mtj_ |
...with some recent vote to switch to systemd |
| 01:29 |
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* dcook |
actually has no idea aside from the vote now |
| 01:34 |
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mtj_ |
hey eythian: do you know of a clever way to make rows delete/expire after a certain 'age', in mysql? |
| 01:34 |
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mtj_ |
you mentioned something about it re: the carousel a few weeks ago..? |
| 01:34 |
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eythian |
there's not really such thing, short of having a date field in them and either searching and deleting ones older than a certain time, or excluding them from SELECT queries. |
| 01:35 |
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mtj_ |
ah, righto |
| 01:36 |
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mtj_ |
i had a google about, and didnt find much myself... other than mysql 'EVENT' stuff.. |
| 01:36 |
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mtj_ |
which seemed a little brittle |
| 01:37 |
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mtj_ |
i might just go for an easy-peasy nightly cron |
| 01:37 |
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eythian |
yeah. On the surface though it looks like the event stuff may work. I wonder if it persists database dumps. |
| 01:38 |
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mtj_ |
you need a magic --event arg for mysqldump, afaik |
| 01:39 |
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eythian |
ah, that could be a problem. Yeah, I'd go for a cron job then |
| 01:40 |
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mtj_ |
ta :) |
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rangi |
oh hey its spacelibrarian! |
| 01:50 |
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eythian |
I assume that "home" means like the ISS or something, it's the only thing that makes sense. |
| 01:50 |
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wizzyrea |
spacelibrarian! |
| 01:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1852: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1852/ |
| 01:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list |
| 01:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list |
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| 03:58 |
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pianohacker |
hi all |
| 04:01 |
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mtj_ |
hey jesse |
| 04:03 |
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mtj_ |
hmm, now time for a coffee-run... |
| 04:06 |
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* cait |
waves |
| 04:17 |
|
eythian |
hi cait |
| 04:17 |
|
eythian |
a bit early don't you think |
| 04:17 |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 04:17 |
|
cait |
oh i agree |
| 04:17 |
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cait |
but the train won't wait for me to be awake i think |
| 04:18 |
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cait |
annual library conf this week |
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| 04:31 |
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dcook |
Oh sweet jesus...I actually understand how to read an ISO marc record now... |
| 04:31 |
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* dcook |
isn't sure that he wants this...this...whatever it is |
| 04:31 |
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dcook |
Also, 'yaz-marcdump' is handy as |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
ha ha |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
http://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/201[…]apas-collections/ |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
though, BY-NC-ND is not my favourite license. |
| 04:38 |
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| 04:42 |
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wizzyrea |
nc-nd is really restrictive |
| 04:42 |
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wizzyrea |
I actually had a go at the creative commons fella a year or so ago regarding NC |
| 04:43 |
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wizzyrea |
and what exactly it meant for people/companies |
| 04:47 |
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wizzyrea |
it turns out it means almost exactly what we think it does, and it's exactly as fuzzy as we think it is. |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
oh yeah, I remember a few years ago them trying to pin down what it meant |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
Like, could you post it to your blog if your blog had ads? |
| 04:49 |
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wizzyrea |
can a for profit company ever use it, even if it doesn't directly make them money? |
| 04:49 |
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wizzyrea |
he didn't have an answer because no one has ever challenged it. |
| 04:50 |
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eythian |
I think a lot of people assume that it means you can't sell it, but that's not at all clear. |
| 04:55 |
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dcook |
Hmm, appears that Yaz doesn't look it when you have a datafield longer than 9999 octets |
| 04:55 |
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dcook |
s/look it/like it/ |
| 04:56 |
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dcook |
Even though I think the MARC spec says that there are no length limits beyond the 99999 record length |
| 05:07 |
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eythian |
http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/int[…]inux-desktop.html <-- that looks nifty (for what I assume is still in alpha.) |
| 05:10 |
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paxed |
dcook: sounds like a typo (either a missing 0 or a 9) |
| 05:11 |
|
dcook |
paxed: Sorry? |
| 05:15 |
|
paxed |
nvm |
| 05:18 |
|
mtj_ |
hiya paxed, congrats on your koha go-live :) |
| 05:18 |
|
dcook |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]/bddirectory.html |
| 05:18 |
|
dcook |
^ |
| 05:18 |
|
dcook |
Oh yeah...world didn't end, paxed? ;) |
| 05:18 |
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mtj_ |
...hope its all going smoothly, on your 1st day |
| 05:24 |
|
dcook |
Neato. I just edited Wikipedia for the first time ever... |
| 05:25 |
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dcook |
I would've done it in uni but I lived with a lot of other students and someone had managed to get the whole IP address range blocked... |
| 05:26 |
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| 05:36 |
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eythian |
anyone using Koha to track specimen/sample collections rather than bibliographic collections? |
| 05:36 |
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* dcook |
definitely didn't read that as "specimen" |
| 05:36 |
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dcook |
We have a library that tracks toys |
| 05:43 |
|
eythian |
Hmm, that's possibly similar, although I imagine in this case they'd need more extensive metadata. It seems to me that replacing the MARC framework, and replacing the XSLT should get it 99% of the way to their requirements. |
| 05:47 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 05:48 |
|
dcook |
I suppose in terms of data entry and display |
| 05:48 |
|
dcook |
What about indexing? |
| 05:48 |
|
eythian |
oh yeah, I forgot about that. |
| 05:49 |
|
dcook |
I wonder what might bust by not having a valid MARC blob a swell |
| 05:49 |
|
dcook |
as well* |
| 05:49 |
|
eythian |
Maybe elasticsearch will be near enough to ready by then, its indexing is database driven. |
| 05:49 |
|
eythian |
i.e. what fields map to what is easier to configure. |
| 05:50 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I was thinking something like Solr or Elasticsearch would make the indexing dead easy |
| 05:51 |
|
dcook |
Weren't we talking about a move to metadata independence anyway? |
| 05:51 |
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eythian |
that is probably a much longer, harder road. |
| 05:51 |
|
dcook |
Oh absolutely :) |
| 05:52 |
|
eythian |
My thinking about doing that sort of thing with ES is just to map everything to MARC when you index. |
| 05:52 |
|
eythian |
though in the future it'd be possible to put anything in there. |
| 05:52 |
|
dcook |
I suppose mapping to marc could work, although those mappings would be pretty arbitrary, yeah? |
| 05:52 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 05:52 |
|
dcook |
But if you're mapping to marc, you could probably do it with Zebra as well |
| 05:53 |
|
dcook |
Although I suppose in either case you'd also have to change your search templates |
| 05:53 |
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eythian |
I find zebra to be pretty opaque when it comes to that sort of thing, mostly because I don't understand it very well. |
| 05:53 |
|
dcook |
Not necessarily that hard to do that though.. |
| 05:53 |
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* dcook |
ponders |
| 05:54 |
|
dcook |
Well, in Zebra you have named indexes. Those should be matched to bib-1 attributes in bib1.att |
| 05:54 |
|
dcook |
Map your ccl to your bib-1 attributes in ccl.properties, change your template, and you're golden |
| 05:54 |
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* dcook |
would think |
| 05:55 |
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eythian |
complications would come with things like the GetTitle function, but there's not many of them, and if you based your new framework around MARC21, it wouldn't be terrible. |
| 05:55 |
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dcook |
Ah, I guess you'd have to update your records.abs or your bib-blahblah.xml as well |
| 05:55 |
|
dcook |
If you wanted to map particularly |
| 05:55 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 05:56 |
|
dcook |
MarcSubjects, MarcNotes |
| 05:56 |
|
dcook |
But you could probably bend those to purpose as well |
| 05:56 |
|
dcook |
Of course, this all sounds like a bit of a maintenance nightmare, but it could probably be done |
| 05:57 |
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eythian |
Well, ideally it'd be just configuration changes on top of stock Koha. |
| 05:57 |
|
eythian |
maybe custom translations. |
| 05:58 |
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dcook |
Could be. I suppose it's tough to say without knowing the full requirements. |
| 05:58 |
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dcook |
Our toy folks also have books, so they just bend MARC to purpose with the toys |
| 05:59 |
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eythian |
yeah, we don't have them yet either, we're still at a speculation stage. |
| 05:59 |
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dcook |
It's mostly title, physical description, and notes anyway |
| 05:59 |
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dcook |
But yeah, specimen/sample collection...could be more detailed |
| 05:59 |
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dcook |
I wonder sometimes how systems like ICA-AtoM are set up for that |
| 06:00 |
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dcook |
I suppose that might presuppose a certain amount of archival standards though |
| 06:00 |
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dcook |
Just like Koha presupposes library standards |
| 06:02 |
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paxed |
dcook: world didn't end, no, but it's touch and go ... |
| 06:02 |
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eythian |
dcook: that's pretty much how ICA-AtoM works |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
eythian: In terms of archival standards or...? |
| 06:05 |
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eythian |
yeah, archival standards |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
paxed: Fingers crossed for you guys! |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
eythian: Yeah, makes sense. |
| 06:05 |
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paxed |
dcook: i've still got about half a dozen bugs or other annoyances i should put up on the bugzilla |
| 06:06 |
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dcook |
paxed: That's not too bad at all. I have at least half a dozen on my local tracker waiting to go up ;) |
| 06:06 |
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paxed |
like, bug 12354 - which is currently on our system as hard-coded if-statements ... |
| 06:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12354 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Prevent reserving items based on item field values |
| 06:10 |
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paxed |
also, i'm off for summer vacay today, so i'm leaving it all on kivilahtio... may he have fun. |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
Enjoy your summer :). I think it's finally turning into winter here... |
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| 06:13 |
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dbs |
paxed: enjoy your vacation! |
| 06:14 |
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dcook |
dbs: Surely your summer vacation must be coming up as well? |
| 06:15 |
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dbs |
eh, maybe in July |
| 06:15 |
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paxed |
dbs: thanks - i will. :-} |
| 06:17 |
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eythian |
yay, I now have basic search back with elasticsearch. There's even a chance it'll now work with advanced search. |
| 06:17 |
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* dbs |
goes to enjoy sleep |
| 06:17 |
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eythian |
'query' => '(book) AND and (rose) AND and ()', |
| 06:17 |
|
eythian |
yeah nah |
| 06:18 |
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eythian |
that's not going to work |
| 06:18 |
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eythian |
where do all those 'and's come from... |
| 06:19 |
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dcook |
bizarre O_o |
| 06:19 |
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* dcook |
wonders why a ° is screwing up his record... |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
I might the bizarre for your "and" though, eythian :p |
| 06:20 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
Although I find mine bizarre too |
| 06:23 |
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eythian |
ah, I think I have an undef leaking in somewhere. |
| 06:24 |
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eythian |
causing a join to go a step too far |
| 06:24 |
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eythian |
no, it's not that... |
| 06:25 |
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eythian |
erk, that can be a tomorrow job, I have to leave now anyway. |
| 06:25 |
|
eythian |
later |
| 06:26 |
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dcook |
night |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:34 |
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dcook |
hey magnuse :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:37 |
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wahanui |
hello, reiveune |
| 06:38 |
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ashimema |
morning all |
| 06:38 |
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ashimema |
evening for those about to leave ;) |
| 06:39 |
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magnuse |
hiya reiveune and ashimema |
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reiveune |
salut magnuse dcook |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
what's up, alex_a |
| 07:04 |
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magnuse |
bonjour alex_a et matts |
| 07:04 |
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alex_a |
hello magnuse |
| 07:07 |
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matts |
hello ! |
| 07:13 |
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pianohacker |
I need to go to bed and beat on z39.50 in the morning |
| 07:13 |
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pianohacker |
good night all |
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paul_p |
hello world |
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magnuse |
bonjour paul_p |
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fridolin |
hie all |
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magnuse |
bonjour fridolin |
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fridolin |
bonjour magnuse, bonne journée à toi |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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paxed |
grmbl. |
| 08:02 |
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paxed |
patron goes and renews most of his books in opac. comes to library during the same day and checks out one book. the quick slip prints all of those books instead of just the one checked out today. blah! |
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magnuse |
welcome back barton |
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* cait-m__ |
waves |
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cait |
hi #koha |
| 09:49 |
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magnuse |
hiya cait |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
hiya |
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cait |
my first train today got cancelled.. bit of an odyssey |
| 09:49 |
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cait |
but... i fund a shop that sells peanut butter cups and one of the stations :) |
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magnuse |
woohoo! |
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magnuse |
that is worty of an odyssey! |
| 09:55 |
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magnuse |
*worthy |
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cait |
well.. it certainly cheered me up :) |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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cait |
ben and jerry's icecream with peanut butter cups. |
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cait |
but now air condition is broken |
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cait |
... |
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barton |
thanks magnuse! |
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barton |
(day late and a dollar short) |
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* magnuse |
does a little happydance |
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* cait |
waves from the train |
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* paxed |
waves from a stationary train |
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* paxed |
grumbles something about faulty, broken railroad equipment |
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* cait |
grumbles about cancelled trains? :) |
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* magnuse |
waves to cait and paxed on their trains |
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* cait |
waves at magnuse :) |
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pablito |
hi all |
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pablito |
does anyone here have some experience with OAI-PMH in Koha? |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 12:21 |
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Viktor |
Hi all! |
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wahanui |
yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. |
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Viktor |
Is anyone else annoyed to loose all settings of advanced search if it returns no results and having to start over? |
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cait |
Viktor: yes |
| 12:28 |
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Viktor |
Sort of glad to hear it's not just me cait. But was hoping there was something I just didn't get :) |
| 12:29 |
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Viktor |
I created a bug for it (12356) but think it's a bit over my head. |
| 12:30 |
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cait |
Viktor: i think using the back button you lose the url parameters |
| 12:30 |
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cait |
maybe you need to ue a cookie for storing the settings instead |
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cait |
yeah above mine too |
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cait |
i had definitely libraries asking for that |
| 12:31 |
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ashimema |
us too |
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Viktor |
I'm guessing that the fact that an empty search.pl URL gives advanced search is one piece of the puzzle. |
| 12:32 |
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Viktor |
But even if you give search.pl a parameter to set normal/advanced mode you would have to create logic to pre fill all fields of advanced search. Which could be a bit of work if you added extra fields in the original search I guess. |
| 12:33 |
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Viktor |
I'll poke around a bit with it but I'm more expecting to learn a little bit about search than actually getting anything done... |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
i think the problem is that if you go back, the browser won't know |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
which is what people do |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
they do a search, get no results and then use the back button |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
and then i think only a cookie might help |
| 12:34 |
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oleonard |
Cookies usually help. |
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Viktor |
A different angle on the problem cait - but a good one too :) |
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Viktor |
It seems passing idx or q to search gives simple search and all other cases advanced. |
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cait1 |
ashimema++ |
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cait1 |
if you are interested in searching |
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cait1 |
maybe take a look at the manual - there is a chapter about search |
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cait1 |
and how you can also do an expert search |
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cait1 |
typing things like ti=something and au=someone |
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Viktor |
I do think that I could learn to ones I need most often. But for opac and partly in staff too I'd like advanced search to be a little friendly and not make me start over when :) |
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cait1 |
you ar right about that :) |
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cait1 |
just thouht it might be helpful to learn a bit more :) |
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Viktor |
You are quite right. I'd like all three: learning to search without need for advanced search, cookies helping the back button stay working and advanced search actually keeping my settings. |
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Viktor |
I'll go stick my head in some code for a while :) |
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cait1 |
have fun :) |
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Viktor |
Thanks for the input guys! |
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cait1 |
don't get lost |
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Viktor |
I'll be careful :) |
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magnuse |
Search.pm? |
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wahanui |
i think Search.pm is full of bees. |
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magnuse |
yeah, be careful! |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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magnuse |
w00t! |
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paul_p |
@wunder grenoble |
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paul_p: The current temperature in Grenoble / St. Geoirs, France is 22.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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at Koha 2014 symposium |
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druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 23.9°C (8:17 AM CDT on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
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pablito |
anyone have experience converting Dublin Core to MARC? |
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edveal |
About to head to day to of Musuem hill training. |
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edveal |
talljoy can we skype real fast. |
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talljoy |
sure |
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bag |
hello |
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wahanui |
hey, bag |
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reiveune |
bye |
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paxed |
ok, our little library project got just mentioned in national news. |
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tcohen |
morning |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
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tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.1°C (12:35 PM ART on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt jcamins: would you take a look at bug 12347 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Search performance improvements |
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gaetan_B |
bye! |
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ashimema |
anyone here using the indexdata repo's? |
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tcohen |
+lkntr |
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tcohen |
ghyw |
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I'm getting 404's on them today when trying apt-get |
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pastebot |
"tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "QueryParser tests fail on Ubuntu 14.04 (presumably Perl 5.18)" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23 |
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fridolin |
see you all |
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magnuse |
bag: HI |
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wahanui |
bonjour, magnuse |
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bag |
magnuse: HI |
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wahanui |
que tal, bag |
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magnuse |
bag: if you are interested in libraries and rdf, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria - it's early days yet, but it's a beginning |
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bag |
cool |
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magnuse |
for now, it's something petter hacks on when he has to wait for more data from their old ils, but it will get more attention when all the preparations for the migration is "done" |
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pianohacker |
@seen oleonard |
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@later tell oleonard Hey, quick question for ya. On line 1042 of staff-global.css, there's a rule to right-align table headers in dialogs. What was the reasoning behind that? |
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pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
morning |
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Dyrcona |
Afternoon, rangi. ;) |
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rangi |
after all this dickish behaviour by well dicks, I think we probably should adopt a Code of Conduct |
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rangi |
for koha events |
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rangi |
and i think copying http://evergreen-ils.org/code-of-conduct/ would be a very good start |
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jcamins |
rangi: I thought we adopted a code of conduct? |
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cait |
hm? |
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rangi |
did we? that would be awesome |
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rangi |
but i cant recall us doing that |
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cait |
hm I don't think we formally did |
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cait |
maybe something for th enext irc meeting? |
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jcamins |
rangi: if not, we certainly should. |
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rangi |
yeah i cant see anyone having any objections |
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jcamins |
If you add it to the agenda, I will put my +1 on the wiki, since I won't be able to make the meeting tonight. |
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rangi |
ill put it on the agenda |
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cait |
oooh |
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cait |
it's to night? |
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cait |
ugh |
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cait |
when? |
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jcamins |
cait: uhhh... half hour? |
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cait |
oh |
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jcamins |
Hour and a half? |
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cait |
now decide please :) |
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jcamins |
What time is it? |
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jcamins |
I have no idea. |
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rangi |
looking it up now |
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rangi |
yep 1.5 hours |
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jcamins |
It is 20:24. |
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cait |
not sure i will make it that long |
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cait |
it was tooo early today |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]3_and_4_June_2014 |
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cait |
so the other one is tomorrow then? |
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cait |
confusing :) |
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cait |
hm i think I won't make the one tomorrow for sure, the conference is still running then |
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rangi |
added to the agenda |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
i forgot to deprecate something this time... ah wrong meeting anyway |
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cait |
and i think i amrunning out of things to deprecate :) |
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jcamins |
Entered apologies and entered a +1 on the code of conduct. |
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jcamins |
And I would like to repeat myself over again. |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell tcohen I'll be looking at search tomorrow |
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gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
hi cat |
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gmcharlt |
er, cait |
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cait |
thx for doing qa :) |
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rangi |
https://twitter.com/jransom/st[…]73928290504151040 |
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rangi |
boo yah |
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cait |
wohoo! |
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cait |
hlt++ |
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jcamins |
hlt++ |
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gmcharlt |
hlt++ |
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pianohacker |
woo! |
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pianohacker |
hlt++ |
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pianohacker |
wow. Has anyone looked at openstreetmap lately? |
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pianohacker |
New interface is fancy |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]efs/heads/MM-OPAC |
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rangi |
sending tcohen a pull request now |
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cait |
rangi++ :) |
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magnuse |
hlt++ |
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magnuse |
rangi++ |
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magnuse |
hm, am i the only one still doing the [SIGNED-OFF] thing on patches? |
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rangi |
it doesnt hurt for you to do that, but you might be |
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pianohacker |
imo except for the patches that have gigantic test plans attached, I can usually tell pretty quick from the signoff on the bottom and the different username on bugzilla |
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magnuse |
hehe, i might consider dropping it then :-) |
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cait |
ido passed qa stil |
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cait |
if that helps :) |
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magnuse |
i usually forget anyway, and then do an extra --amend to add it |
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pastebot |
"magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test all the (dbic) things!" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25 |
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magnuse |
rangi: if you have a moment, could you have a look and tell me if that looks completely bonkers? |
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magnuse |
i felt pretty clever when i realised i could do |
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magnuse |
my $db = Test::MockModule->new('Koha::Database'); |
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magnuse |
$db->mock( _new_schema => sub { return Schema(); } ); |
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rangi |
yep you sure can |
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magnuse |
but mocking a "private" sub like that might be a cardinal sin or something... |
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rangi |
i think its ok |
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magnuse |
yay :-) |
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cait |
magnuse++ :) |
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cait |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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magnuse |
rangi: thanks, i'll submit all of it soon, hopefully this week, and see what happens :-) |
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magnuse |
have fun #koha! |
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rangi |
sweet |
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magnuse |
oh btw rangi, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria |
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rangi |
ohh interesting |
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wahanui |
rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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rangi |
i sure will |
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magnuse |
it's early days yet, but it is the beginnings of something that will become really cool :-) |
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wanders off into the nightlight |
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rangi |
hmm meeting time |
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wahanui |
meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
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rangi |
anyone want to chair or shall i? |
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rangi |
heh, maybe im meeting by myself |
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pianohacker |
hi rangi :) |
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rangi |
ah well a good meeting is a fast meeting |
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rangi |
#startmeeting General meeting |
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huginn |
Meeting started Tue Jun 3 22:05:51 2014 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting' |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ |
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rangi |
#topic introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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pianohacker |
#info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services (not absent after all) |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
yay |
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rangi |
ok, we can move through the agenda and the second meeting can fill in the gaps |
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rangi |
#topic announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now announcements (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
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rangi |
#info The NZ TM has been registered and is being held in trust by HLT |
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rangi |
anything else? |
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pianohacker |
3.16 was released, don't know it that qualifies |
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rangi |
we'll take it :) |
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rangi |
#topic update on releases |
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Topic for #koha is now update on releases (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
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rangi |
gmcharlt: are you about? |
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rangi |
i think you might be the only Rmaint around (if you are around) |
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gmcharlt |
yep |
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rangi |
anything to report on 3.16? |
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gmcharlt |
#info 3.16.1 will be released in mid-June; there will be some important bugfixes in it |
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rangi |
thanks |
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rangi |
ok, moving on |
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rangi |
#topic Code of Conduct |
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rangi |
#link http://paste.koha-community.org/24 |
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pianohacker |
I like the idea, but was this inspired by anything specific? |
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rangi |
I dont think we can vote on this yet, but there seems to be growing consensus, including from the conference organisers that this is a good idea |
| 22:12 |
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pianohacker |
okay, makes sense |
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rangi |
there have been some recent events |
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rangi |
that have solidified my desire anyway |
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* jcamins |
thought that there was a code of conduct already, but it would seem not. |
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rangi |
i fully expect us to not have to enact it, but if we need to, its too late to create one then :) |
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rangi |
im guessing some more discussion will take place that the next meeting, but id like to do a |
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gmcharlt |
a code of conduct has value even if it never gets invoked |
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rangi |
+1 #for a code of conduct |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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pianohacker |
+1 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
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rangi |
we'll see what happens at the next meeting, then maybe post it on the wiki as a draft and perhaps vote on it next meeting |
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rangi |
(the next next meeting) |
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rangi |
:) |
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bgkriegel |
#info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina |
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rangi |
hi bgkriegel we are just finishing registering our support for a code of conduct |
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bgkriegel |
+1 of course |
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mtj_ |
#info Mason James, New Zeeland |
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mtj_ |
hi all :) |
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rangi |
#topic Kohacon14 |
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rangi |
just in time bgkriegel :) |
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bgkriegel |
Hehe |
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bgkriegel |
Well, we have a meeting this morning, all seems right |
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bgkriegel |
asked tcohen about how many have registered so far |
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bgkriegel |
we are looking for translators (to english) for some spanish presentations |
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rangi |
ahhh |
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rangi |
i can order a beer, thats about the limit of my spanish im afraid |
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bgkriegel |
heh |
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bgkriegel |
and looking sponsors |
| 22:20 |
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bgkriegel |
but for now all is right |
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rangi |
have you had many people submit presentations? |
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bgkriegel |
not the exact number, four or five |
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rangi |
thats a good start |
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rangi |
cool |
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bgkriegel |
but there are time still |
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rangi |
please let us know if there is anything we can do to help |
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bgkriegel |
:) |
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bgkriegel |
yes, thanks |
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rangi |
ok |
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rangi |
#topic kohacon15 |
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rangi |
I see that there is a proposal from Nigeria, and an expression of interest from Zambia so far |
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rangi |
perhaps since the mailing list was playing up a bit last month |
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rangi |
we should do another post to the list? |
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mtj_ |
yeah, sounds like a good idea |
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mtj_ |
perhaps just repost thd's email again? |
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rangi |
mtj_: would you be able to dig out thd's original mail and repost it? |
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nengard |
Hi everyone I'm in CA teaching a new Koha library - say hi |
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mtj_ |
yep, will do |
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rangi |
hi nengard (we are in meeting mode at the moment) |
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eythian |
hi |
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nengard |
Awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, nengard |
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pianohacker |
hi nengard :) |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
#action mtj_ is going to repost the call for conference organisers for kohacon15 |
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eythian |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ |
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nengard |
#info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
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rangi |
#topic actions from the last meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now actions from the last meeting (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
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nengard |
#info 30+ California Librarians in Training |
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rangi |
afaik there are none |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
anyone want to correct me? |
| 22:28 |
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* mtj_ |
looks... |
| 22:28 |
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mtj_ |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_21_May_2014 |
| 22:29 |
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mtj_ |
decide on a GBSD? |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
hmm ill leave that for the 2nd meeting, for magnuse to decide :) |
| 22:29 |
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pianohacker |
should we wait until the dev meeting on the 11th? |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
thats a good idea |
| 22:30 |
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rangi |
ok anyone have anything else before we move on to setting the time/date for the next one? |
| 22:31 |
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nengard |
Everyone here wants it on the record that they said Hi |
| 22:31 |
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mtj_ |
#action decide next GBSD at jun-11 dev meeting |
| 22:31 |
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rangi |
#topic date and time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now date and time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General meeting) |
| 22:32 |
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pianohacker |
nothing for general meeting |
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rangi |
how about july 2nd and 3rd |
| 22:33 |
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rangi |
same times |
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rangi |
22 UTC and 15 UTC |
| 22:34 |
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pianohacker |
sounds good |
| 22:34 |
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mtj_ |
+1 for me |
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bgkriegel |
+1 |
| 22:35 |
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rangi |
+1 |
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rangi |
right |
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rangi |
#agreed next general meeting 2 July 22 UTC and 3 July 15 UTC |
| 22:36 |
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rangi |
the next meeting can unagree that if they want :) |
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rangi |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.0 is available! Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 22:36:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-03-22.05.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-06-03-22.05.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-22.05.log.html |
| 22:36 |
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rangi |
thanks all |
| 22:37 |
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bgkriegel |
rangi++ |
| 22:38 |
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mtj_ |
...and thank you rangi :) |
| 22:38 |
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rangi |
right time to go to the bakery for a custard twist |
| 22:38 |
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pianohacker |
I don't know what that is but it sounds wonderful |
| 22:38 |
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rangi |
mtj_++ |
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rangi |
fast work |
| 22:39 |
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rangi |
http://www.brooklyn.co.nz/pastries.html |
| 22:40 |
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rangi |
like the lemon twist, but with custard not lemon |
| 22:40 |
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pianohacker |
oh my god |
| 22:41 |
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eythian |
you...don't have them? |
| 22:41 |
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eythian |
where on earth do you live? |
| 22:41 |
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eythian |
Antarctica? |
| 22:41 |
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pianohacker |
hahahahahaha |
| 22:42 |
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pianohacker |
don't think any of the nearby bakeries, have them, at least |
| 22:43 |
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eythian |
Sounds like a pretty deprived area you're in. |
| 22:43 |
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eythian |
I'd move if I were you. |
| 22:43 |
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pianohacker |
hahaha |
| 22:43 |
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pianohacker |
I'll just keep crying into my microbrew |
| 22:43 |
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eythian |
You only have one? |
| 22:44 |
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eythian |
Now you really should move. |
| 22:44 |
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pianohacker |
oh man... |
| 22:45 |
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eythian |
Wellington has now almost reached the point where if you throw a stone, you're likely to hit two breweries, rather than just one. |
| 22:45 |
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pianohacker |
I love local beer |
| 22:46 |
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eythian |
It goes well with custard twists. |
| 22:46 |
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pianohacker |
except for this one nearby that makes this... thing with an aftertaste of rotten banana peel |
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* pianohacker |
grunts as the knife is twisted deeper |
| 22:47 |
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eythian |
too much isoamyl acetate? |
| 22:47 |
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eythian |
though, that's more banana rather than rotten banana peel. |
| 22:48 |
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pianohacker |
yeah, their yeast might have went off on some crazy tangent, no idea, but it was terrible |
| 22:48 |
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eythian |
well, acetate comes from fermenting too hot, so that might be it, and the flavour combines with something else badly. |
| 22:48 |
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pianohacker |
acetate could have been a part of that, yeah |
| 22:49 |
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pianohacker |
you brew? |
| 22:49 |
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eythian |
No, just drink. |
| 22:49 |
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eythian |
(on day...) |
| 22:49 |
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eythian |
*one |
| 22:49 |
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pianohacker |
what kinds do you enjoy? |
| 22:50 |
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pianohacker |
I'm a big fan of stouts, saisons and wheats |
| 22:51 |
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eythian |
pretty much everything that's not a lager. |
| 22:51 |
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eythian |
but belgians and saisons are among the favourites. |
| 22:51 |
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pianohacker |
weird flavor at first but there's so much variety |
| 22:53 |
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eythian |
yeah, definitely. |
| 22:54 |
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eythian |
Also, we grow hops not too far from this area, so there's a lot of big hoppy *PAs too. |
| 22:54 |
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pianohacker |
nice |
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dcook |
It's a bit late but +1 for code of conduct |
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dcook |
eythian: I'm thinking I need to visit Wellington... |
| 23:36 |
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eythian |
seems reasonable. |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
I suppose a person could do a weekend, yet...I've never been to NZ so I'd want to take longer and don't have any more leave this year :( |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
Plus, if you can hit 2 breweries per stone throw... |
| 23:38 |
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eythian |
A friend of mine has just signed the lease on a building to build another one. |
| 23:40 |
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eythian |
you could spend more than a weekend in Wellington no problem. Surely you can find some business reason to get flown over here on a Wednesday or so, back on the Monday-ish. :) |
| 23:57 |
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pianohacker |
hey, lazyweb, I'm unexpectedly in the market to replace my quickly degrading laptop. Any recommendations off the top of your head? |
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rangi |
i like my system76 |
