IRC log for #koha, 2014-04-30

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00:47 pianohacker good night all
02:02 eythian wahanui: tools is <reply>I HAVE NO TOOLS BECAUSE I'VE DESTROYED MY TOOLS WITH MY TOOLS.
02:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:33 eythian wizzyrea: are you able to update[…]ch-stuff-up-help/
02:34 eythian ?
02:34 eythian cos the package command on there has issues
02:35 eythian wizzyrea: see the version I just sent to the list.
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03:16 wizzyrea yep
03:16 wizzyrea wordpress likes to try and be clever.
03:21 wizzyrea[…]ch-stuff-up-help/ < looks better to me
03:22 wizzyrea oh you want it to say koha-list eh
03:22 eythian nope
03:22 eythian it pastes incorrectly
03:22 wizzyrea oh wait no you are getting the cached vrsion
03:22 eythian ah
03:23 wizzyrea about now
03:23 eythian still the old version
03:23 wizzyrea sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` < what I get
03:23 eythian –full
03:23 eythian also, the best version is:
03:23 wizzyrea yeah in the email?
03:24 eythian sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full $(/usr/sbin/koha-list)
03:24 eythian (which is slightly different from what I emailed.)
03:24 wizzyrea oh good, because I was about to feel bad for making you do extra typing ;)
03:26 mtompset Is there a nice URL to check book prices against a list of ISBNs?
03:27 wizzyrea well I've just dumped the cache - it looks ok for me logged out - is it still crabby for you?
03:28 eythian that looks correct for me now.
03:28 wizzyrea \o/
03:28 wizzyrea I just turned off texturize for post content.
03:28 wizzyrea figured we'd have more instances where we didn't want it than did.
03:29 eythian ah right
03:29 eythian most likely
03:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11334: (follow-up) teach the search tests to mock the DisplayLibraryFacets syspref <[…]8e2e3903b13404fc3>
03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #1723 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1706 9 days 10 hr ago)
04:15 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
04:43 * wizzyrea wishes for a koha-common --configtest
04:44 eythian to do what?
04:44 wizzyrea to check and see if I've done something dumb with a koha-conf file
04:44 eythian you could xmllint it to start with.
04:44 eythian that'll get you the initial information, anyway
04:44 wizzyrea as soon as I typed it I thought of that actually
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05:17 * cait waves
05:18 eythian hi cait
05:19 cait hi eythian :)
05:24 eythian @later tell magnuse can you check bug 12002, especially with bug 11998 applied?
05:24 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:31 * eythian goes to hit people with swords
05:31 eythian later all
05:33 cait later :)
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06:04 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
06:04 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
06:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1723: FIXED in 2 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1723/
06:04 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 11334: (follow-up) teach the search tests to mock the DisplayLibraryFacets syspref
06:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11334 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add facet for home library
06:04 cait yay :)
06:04 cait gmcharlt++
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06:47 reiveune hello
06:47 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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06:56 alex_a bonjour
06:56 wahanui que tal, alex_a
07:07 * magnuse waves
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07:42 magnuse @wunder boo
07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 30, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
07:42 magnuse actually, it's snowing...
08:33 nlegrand hiya #koha
08:34 nlegrand magnuse: is it unusual at this time of the year?
08:56 magnuse nlegrand: not completely, but we have not had a lot of snow this winter, so we were kind of hoping we had seen the last of it. my wife is actually taking the car to a garage to take the winter tyres off today...
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08:58 cait morning #koha
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09:26 nlegrand hey cait o/
09:26 nlegrand magnuse: ha ha :)
09:27 magnuse :-)
09:27 cait hi nlegrand :)
09:44 cait quiet today
09:58 magnuse shhh...
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10:20 cait not supposed to wake someone up?
10:34 magnuse you might awaken the trolls...
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11:44 mveron Hi #koha
11:46 mveron @wunder Allschwil
11:46 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 13.2°C (1:46 PM CEST on April 30, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
11:55 magnuse hiya mveron
11:55 magnuse @wunder boo
11:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on April 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:55 mveron hiya magnuse  :-)    quiet today...
11:57 mveron magnuse: If you have time I would appreciate a comment on my Proof of concept: Bug 12162 - Add class="branchcode" to body tag to make OPAC CSS-styleable per branch
11:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add class="branchcode" to body tag to make OPAC CSS-styleable per branch
11:59 * mveron Waves to cait :-)
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12:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on April 30, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
12:06 * cait waves back :)
12:06 cait we got the rain too :)
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12:11 francharb good morning
12:12 * mveron Has togo to buy some food
12:12 cait have to do that today too
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12:50 tcohen morning!
12:50 wahanui morning is a state of the cait
12:50 cait morning tcohen :)
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13:05 tcohen firefox++ # awesome new look & feel
13:09 tcohen firefox++ # UI customizatio interface
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13:51 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "opinions?" (8 lines) at
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14:01 tcohen anyone can take a look at the text?
14:05 cait tcohen: it lokos good to me - but not a native speaker
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14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
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14:35 fridolin hie all
14:36 fridolin just out from a international meeting with Olli
14:37 * cait waves
14:37 cait fridolin: you are in finland?
14:38 fridolin cait: no, it was a virtual meeting
14:38 fridolin ;)
14:38 cait ah :)
14:38 fridolin Google Hangout
14:38 fridolin now I'm releasing 3.14.06. Critical Bug 12134 will be in
14:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12134 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended
14:38 gmcharlt @quote random
14:38 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in a few but my brain told me that meant be back in a fire oleonard: similar to the common ctaof, for Can't talk, am on fire" (added by wizzyrea at 04:38 PM, September 23, 2011)
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14:41 cait fridolin++
14:41 cait and hi gmcharlt :)
14:41 gmcharlt hi cait
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14:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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14:45 cait hi mtompset
14:45 mtompset Greetings, cait!
14:45 mtompset Just thought some people might get a laugh out of what some library patrons consider "violent".
14:45 mtompset[…]rary-patron-says/
14:57 cait bye koha, bbl
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15:17 tcohen #debian-mentors++
15:18 liw I tried to send my thoughts on Koha Debian apt package repository layout and related things, a couple of days ago, but it doesn't seem to have gone through -- would anyone be willing to forward that for me?
15:19 tcohen liw: ye
15:19 tcohen s
15:19 tcohen
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15:21 reiveune bye
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15:21 liw tcohen, thank you very much, I have sent the e-mail to you
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15:27 liw tcohen, thank you :)
15:27 liw (cc received)
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15:28 tcohen yw
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15:58 mtompset liw: (inconceivable!) ;)
15:59 liw mtompset, one of the movies I like :)
15:59 mtompset Inconceivable! ;)
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16:01 liw mtompset, I don't think that word means what you think it means :)
16:01 * mtompset laughs.
16:02 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:02 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 9.2°C (11:02 AM CDT on April 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
16:03 gmcharlt liw++
16:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #31: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/31/
16:12 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12134: Add unit tests to reflect the change in IsDebarred
16:12 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12134: (follow-up) add more unit tests to reflect the change in IsDebarred
16:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12134: (follow-up) fix one of the IsDebarred() tests
16:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12134 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended
16:12 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12134: ensure that patrons are not restricted even when the last restriction has expired
16:12 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11655: koha-translate --list no longer shows 'en'
16:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11655 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , koha-translate --list shouldn't show 'en'
16:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
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16:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9865 (follow-up) give better usage examples in example SIPconfig.xml <[…]882edbc2a0e70fe3a> / Bug 9865: make SIP msg encoding configurable via SIPconfig.xml <[…]ff26b07de53cfd518>
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17:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6273: (follow-up) fix various issues <[…]b912c0f40e08deb8b> / Bug 6273: add support for recording type of payment made via SIP2 <[…]fc05231e86283edf7>
17:26 cait gmcharlt++
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17:27 Sean Hi all re.[…]25484&action=diff
17:28 Sean how could we safely increase the # of facets displayed by default?
17:28 Sean specifically, # of branches
17:29 cait there is only one way - to increase the number of results that are looked at
17:29 gmcharlt simple enough local change; beyond that, either a syspref or a code change that specifically displays all of the library facets
17:29 cait it will only display the branches it finds in the first x results
17:29 gmcharlt also, what cait said
17:30 cait aah, you wee talking about the default
17:30 gmcharlt two pieces of the same puzzle
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17:30 cait gmcharlt: i was justlooking at the follow up for bug 6273 - do we need another for bootstrap?
17:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6273 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , SIP2 Fee Paid and Fee Paid Response support
17:30 Sean right, maxRecordsForFacets...but it only shows 5 by default, regardless of maxRecordsForFacets....if I changed to, say, 10 instead of 6?
17:30 cait I could try
17:30 cait i tihnk then i owuld just change the collapsed
17:31 cait but changing in the code is always... you know
17:32 Sean Was wondering if there might be some jquery that could append &expand=branch#branch_id to search string, rather than do a naughty thing in code
17:32 cait hmm
17:33 gmcharlt cait: actually, looks like the patch for 2546 never got a Bootstrap version
17:33 cait gmcharlt: ugh.
17:33 gmcharlt if you want to address that and the follow-up needed for 6273, that would be great
17:33 cait it might be a bit too big, but i can try
17:33 cait i will start with filing a bug
17:33 gmcharlt cool
17:33 cait i am really keen on this change - hoping to finally get rid of my string replacing jquery :)
17:34 cait Sean: i thought that there was a setting in the facets configuration, but i think that changed since i last looked there, so forget the last comment
17:35 Sean yeah and no matter the maxRecordsForFacets, the results screen will only show 5 facets, and always show "show more..."
17:35 cait Sean: a javascript doesn't appear easy to me, because there are so many links that can start a search hm
17:35 Sean re. branches
17:35 cait it would need to be quite clever i guess
17:35 Sean yeah that's why I was hoping for the "append search string" angle, &expand=branch#branch_id
17:35 cait or maybe not so hard, lookin for a link pattern
17:36 cait link contains (opac search bit) append parameter
17:36 Sean right
17:39 Sean wondering how to go about adding the &expand=branch#branch_id bit
17:42 cait bug 12165
17:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12165 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add description of charges (bug 2546) to Bootstrap OPAC
17:42 cait Sean: do you have some experience with jquery?
17:43 Sean enough to get into trouble
17:43 cait heh
17:43 cait i know that feeling
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17:43 Sean I'm up for a try :)
17:43 cait i just thought
17:43 cait the links might be not too hard
17:43 cait but you also want to sech what is sent from simple search and advanced search
17:43 cait hm no oleonard around
17:44 Sean I think simple search is what would benefit staff a quick search and quickly eyeball facets to see "who has how many of what"
17:47 gmcharlt Sean: bug 11232 is relevant in the medium term, as one of the side effects of using Zebra to calculate facets will be to make library facets both more correct as well as easier to tweak
17:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra
17:49 Sean thanks gmcharlt, but 11232 may be slightly separate from having the branch facet "show all" by default, rather than forcing "show all" (regardless of search results)?
17:49 Sean currently it is hard coded to show only 5 branches, and one must click "show all".
17:49 gmcharlt right, they're not directly related, but library facets (and all other types) will become much more useful
17:50 Sean thats good news gm :)
17:51 Sean &expand=branch#branch_id appended to search results string expands those branches. we have displayFacetCount = show, so it would be really nice to have that branch facet show all branches, even if the facet shows LIBRARY FOO(0)
17:52 Sean but, the unecessary "show all" click is getting in staff's way :)
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18:10 cait sean.. hm if the branch has no results
18:10 cait i am not sur you can do that right now
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18:14 Sean cait: if staff didn't have to click show more, they would be thrilled. perhaps that's another way of putting my original question :)
18:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/32/
18:19 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.14.06 release
18:19 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11246: remove reference to fields 780 and 785 in UNIMARC XSLT files for Bootstrap OPAC
18:19 jenkins_koha * “ByWater: Bug 11572: ensure that running Z39.50 search from staff search results detects ISBN
18:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11246 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Stable , Followup for Bug 10465 fields 780 and 785 in UNIMARC XSLT should be removed in bootstrap theme
18:19 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11619: remove duplicate key in QueryParser config
18:19 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11619: (follow-up) fix QueryParser.t
18:19 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Update release notes for 3.14.6 release
18:19 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Increment version for 3.14.6 release
18:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11572 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Keyword searches no longer detect isbn from "Search the catalog"
18:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11619 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate key in QueryParser config
18:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #1724 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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18:37 Sean cait, got it to work on simple search
18:37 cait cool :)
18:37 cait Sean++ :)
18:37 Sean how to see what else I broke by implementing it :P
18:38 cait heh
18:38 cait you won't until you find it :)
18:38 Sean $("#cat-search-block").submit( function(eventObj) {       $('<input />').attr('type', 'hidden')      .attr('name', "expand")     .attr('value', "branch")     .appendTo('#cat-search-block');     return true; });
18:38 Sean sorry that looks messy but you may get the idea ?
18:40 Sean by slightly increasing maxRecordsForFacets this gives really useful initial results
18:40 cait adding a hidden input field:)
18:41 Sean :)
18:41 cait just reember the number in the facets will only be for the results looked at - so it might look off for bigger result sets
18:42 Sean exactly. Looking forward to testing this out. Thanks for the sounding board!
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19:59 rangi morning
20:02 cait morning rangi :)
20:03 gmcharlt hi rangi
20:27 cait hm i think i need some help
20:28 cait
20:28 cait i am trying to fix an additional space
20:28 cait that appears before the comma
20:28 cait for all cases, but the last case - because i moved the END to be directly after it
20:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1724: SUCCESS in 2 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1724/
20:29 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9865: make SIP msg encoding configurable via SIPconfig.xml
20:29 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9865 (follow-up) give better usage examples in example SIPconfig.xml
20:29 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 6273: add support for recording type of payment made via SIP2
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9865 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Make SIP2 message encoding configurable via SIPconfig.xml
20:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 6273: (follow-up) fix various issues
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6273 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , SIP2 Fee Paid and Fee Paid Response support
20:29 cait so Res, ... but Writeoff , Writeoff
20:29 gmcharlt cait: [%- IF account.description -%]
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20:30 cait i thought i had tried that
20:30 cait sec
20:30 cait hm doesn't work
20:31 gmcharlt try around the case and end as well
20:31 gmcharlt s/case/switch/
20:32 cait i have tried putting them almost everywhere, will do another paste in a moment
20:33 cait aah
20:33 cait the case did it
20:33 cait i think
20:33 cait cool thx :)
20:40 cait [%- CASE ... -%] seems to be the working bit
20:44 cait gmcharlt++ :)
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20:47 alexwyatt I'm trying out Koha for our school and I had an issue with import from our old system, Winnebago Spectrum (those of you who know that will know why we want to change!). Our barcodes are still in the metadata for the records, but they're listed under "Piece designation" and not "Barcode", so the scanner works to search for a book but not to check it out. Is there a way to remap that field (acquisitions would use the regular field so I'd prefer not to nuke i
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20:55 cait hi alexwyatt
20:55 alexwyatt hi. any sage advise?
20:55 cait i wonderwhere the piece designation comes from - which marcflavour did you install?
20:55 cait also your message got cut off at nuke I
20:56 alexwyatt oh that was basically all of it. basically i just want to somehow map the piece designation to barcode without getting rid of barcode altogether (for future additions)
20:57 alexwyatt ideally i'd just want to either reimport everything (that part was easy) with some parameter or better yet, tell it to move all "piece designations" to "barcodes" and be done
20:57 alexwyatt as for your questions
20:57 alexwyatt marc12 i believe
20:57 alexwyatt it was a little bit ago and i'm not the library expert, so i could be wrong. is there a way for me to look it up?
21:00 cait i wonder because i don't see piece desgination in my installation
21:00 cait could you check administration > systempreferences > marcflavor?
21:00 cait maybe marcflavour
21:03 alexwyatt what section under preferences?
21:04 alexwyatt there's a bunch and i've tried about half of them so far!
21:04 cait use the search :)
21:04 cait and don't switch it
21:04 cait just look what it says
21:05 alexwyatt **facepalm** completely skipped the search
21:05 alexwyatt marc21
21:05 alexwyatt that 12 i remembered was close lol
21:05 alexwyatt (it was marcflavour btw)
21:06 cait i think it's ok
21:06 cait which marc field is piece designation?
21:07 cait i mean where does it show up?
21:07 cait and did you create items on importing or just the records?
21:07 alexwyatt well when i open a book and to go "edit record", it's under number 852. there's three things, h is "Classification part" (in this case it's "F Kle" for Fiction and author), p is "Piece designation" which has our barcode, and a is "Location", which is empty
21:08 alexwyatt i'm not sure what the difference between an item and a record is(?)
21:08 cait a record has the bibliographic information
21:09 cait a record can have n items
21:09 alexwyatt oh ok
21:09 cait and the items are actually what is used for circ :)
21:09 alexwyatt looks like it's just a record
21:09 cait yeah i guessed it might be
21:09 cait i think you need to reimport creating items
21:09 cait items?
21:09 wahanui well, items is library-speak for books.
21:09 alexwyatt if i go into "items" in the catalog page it says there's zero
21:10 cait hmmm
21:10 cait yeah
21:10 cait you could create one, to see how it looks like
21:10 cait koha used the 952 field for items on import
21:10 cait you will want to add that to your records
21:10 cait you can see a mapping in administration > koha 2 marc mappings > change pull down to items
21:10 alexwyatt yeah i kinda figured that when fait spelled it out earlier. record is just a description, item is inventory basically
21:10 cait you want at least: a and b = the branch code of your library in koha
21:11 cait alexwyatt: wahanui is our bot - i was hoping he'd give me some docs by asking him for items :)
21:11 alexwyatt ahh ok
21:11 cait probably also p and o, one is the barcode and one is the callnumber
21:11 cait and y = the itemtype
21:12 cait that will be used for circulation rules
21:12 cait there is something on the manual about the item fields i think
21:12 cait and even if it's tempting - don't change the mapping in koha to 852 - it will just break things and make you unhappy :) change the data
21:12 * talljoy seconds cait.  don't use 852
21:12 alexwyatt yeah i kinda figured that remapping might not be good
21:13 alexwyatt i'm perfectly ok with reimporting everything...heck i'd rebuild the server too (yay for VMs)
21:13 alexwyatt but i have a feeling i could just apt-get remove koha-common and reinstall and bam...fresh
21:13 alexwyatt if needed
21:14 alexwyatt anyway...
21:14 alexwyatt so the question is, how do i add it to a bunch of records at once?
21:14 talljoy not easily
21:14 alexwyatt i mean we're talking almost 9k records, and we're a small library
21:14 alexwyatt aww man
21:14 talljoy i would suggest reversing your import
21:15 talljoy adding item records en masse to the marc records (using MarcEdit)
21:15 talljoy and then reimport.
21:15 alexwyatt ok reverse import? can that be done at any time?
21:15 cait it's a bit easierwith staged import
21:15 talljoy as long as you haven't 'cleaned' the batch
21:16 cait but you can nuke everything with bulkmarcimport too i think
21:16 talljoy yes true that cait
21:16 cait alexwyatt: how did you import?
21:16 talljoy in Koha Tools or on command line?
21:16 alexwyatt koha tools
21:17 cait cool
21:17 talljoy have you 'cleaned' the batch?
21:17 cait don't click clean
21:17 talljoy what she says!
21:17 cait open the batch, and look for the undo button
21:17 alexwyatt no i hadn't
21:17 cait :)
21:17 talljoy "Undo import into catalog"
21:17 alexwyatt match item modification then?
21:18 alexwyatt or...wait
21:18 alexwyatt i don't see an undo button
21:18 alexwyatt nvm
21:18 alexwyatt found it
21:18 talljoy phew
21:18 alexwyatt yeah i was trying really hard to avoid the clean thing and i forgot to just click the batch name
21:19 cait :)
21:19 alexwyatt what's the red chat? i assumed it was private but i don't see that option
21:19 alexwyatt pretty sure it wasn't a "slap", but maybe it was lol
21:20 talljoy red chat?
21:20 alexwyatt cait sent them to me. maybe they *were* private
21:20 talljoy if they opened in a separate window, it would be a private message
21:21 alexwyatt yeah i figured, the tabs look familiar from other things
21:21 alexwyatt anyway
21:21 alexwyatt undo is complete
21:21 cait zebra might take a bit to catch up
21:21 talljoy add your items to the file and then reimport them with no matching.
21:21 cait so don't be too worried when the old entries still show in search
21:21 talljoy right.
21:22 alexwyatt k
21:22 talljoy hey cait have you seen a recent bug regarding label creation?  i'm getting the same error as in BZ6673 in master and in 3.14
21:22 cait hm sec
21:22 alexwyatt adding items to mean re-export from the original?
21:23 talljoy depends alexwyatt
21:23 alexwyatt sorry for my ignorance...i'm used to being the one who knows what to do lol
21:23 talljoy do you have 852 tags (items?) in your marc file?
21:23 cait talljoy: hmno seen no problems like that
21:23 alexwyatt talljoy you just did the red thing i asked about. maybe it's just because i was on a different window
21:23 cait we have a few patches about labels waiting for qa, but totally different things
21:23 talljoy cait can you create labels from a batch?
21:23 alexwyatt hmm...
21:24 talljoy alexwyatt, dunno about the redchat.
21:24 alexwyatt oh well lol
21:24 talljoy but if you have 852's you can use Marcedit to swap the subfields from 852 to the appropriate 952 subfields.
21:24 talljoy i.e. mapping your old items to new items
21:24 cait changing the import file you created before might be easiest
21:24 talljoy or you can just add a 'stub' item record to every single record 952$a<branch>$b<branch>$y<itemtype>
21:25 alexwyatt agh never considered an intermediate solution. let me look...
21:25 talljoy what sytem are you coming from alexwyattt?
21:25 talljoy (please don't say Follett)
21:25 alexwyatt then i guess i won't answer?
21:25 alexwyatt pre-follett really
21:26 talljoy winnebago?
21:26 alexwyatt yep
21:26 talljoy bingo
21:26 talljoy okay.
21:26 talljoy your item type is actually stored in a 961 tag
21:26 alexwyatt kinda figured that might be the problem
21:26 talljoy one sec...  let me look at something
21:26 alexwyatt ok
21:26 alexwyatt sure
21:26 alexwyatt i'm gonna install marcedit brb
21:26 alexwyatt (on another computer...)
21:28 talljoy okay.  alexwyatt  your itemtype is in the 961$t tag/subfield.  This will need to be moved to the 952$y itemtype subfield.
21:28 talljoy you probably only have one branch so use that branchcode in the 952$a and 952$b
21:29 alexwyatt we've got two branches actually
21:29 talljoy your callnumber is in the 852$h - this goes in the 952$o.  Your barcode is in 852$p - goes in 952$p  Your price info is in the 852$9 and it goes into 952$v and 952$g
21:29 alexwyatt so....what should i do with that? this import is only for one branch though
21:29 talljoy two branches.  you'll have to look at the 852 tag and determine the subfield has that branch info and use that for the 952$a and 952$b
21:30 talljoy if the import is just one branch, just assign all the items with the one branch information.
21:30 alexwyatt hmm ok. actually it's a little more complicated now that i think of it. we're not branched currently...but we want to be. we have a separate server in each building but want just one accessible in both
21:30 alexwyatt so...does that change your answer any?
21:30 talljoy You will want to be sure your itemtypes and branchcodes have been created in Koha before you import your records.
21:30 talljoy alexwyatt no.
21:31 talljoy if you know the file you have only contains one branch's items, just assign the branchcode to all items.
21:31 talljoy I recommend starting with the barcode in 852$p.  Move (or swap) that to the 952$p.
21:31 talljoy then move the other subfields as needed.
21:31 cait talljoy++
21:31 alexwyatt talljoy is this red? i might have figured it out :)
21:31 talljoy you may need to take care for bibliographic records that have multiple items
21:32 alexwyatt at least for me, it seems to be whenever someone says the name. anyway, i'll copy down your steps!
21:32 talljoy cait I'm lots of fun at library parties!  I ask what system you use and then I launch into "Let me tell you what's odd about your data"
21:32 alexwyatt LOL
21:32 talljoy alexwyatt this is logged as well so you can always find it later!
21:33 alexwyatt oh yeah i know
21:33 alexwyatt easier to just have it though
21:33 cait talljoy: you are fun :)
21:33 talljoy fun fact: Mandarin stores patron data in Marc format
21:33 cait talljoy: that is not a _fun_ fact
21:33 talljoy sadly, for me, it is!  lol
21:33 talljoy like a bit of data that is so so ugly, it's kind of pretty.
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21:36 jcamins talljoy: wake me when you find an ILS that stores library branch information in MARC.
21:36 talljoy ooooo.....
21:36 talljoy that sounds familiar..........maybe i've seen that.  let me think!
21:36 talljoy i've seen vendors in marc format
21:36 jcamins There's a MARC format especially for community institutions.
21:37 alexwyatt speaking of ugly this thing isn't even called a marc file...hope it actually is one lol. i need to spend some time just figuring out how to use marcedit so i might be back later this week. thanks for the help folks!
21:37 talljoy yours is probably called microlif.
21:37 talljoy same thing
21:38 alexwyatt oh good
21:38 talljoy as marc.  shouldn't be an issue
21:38 alexwyatt it's pretty nasty looking, that's all i know
21:38 alexwyatt have a good one
21:38 talljoy marc was not meant to be pretty
21:38 alexwyatt lol
21:38 talljoy heh
21:38 talljoy good luck!
21:38 alexwyatt **gulp**
21:38 alexwyatt hopefully i don't need it!
21:38 cait talljoy: well.. like you said, it#s so ugly... is starts being a bit pretty again
21:38 talljoy right!
21:41 mtompset -- musical flashback: ( -- "I feel pretty...")
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22:14 cait So we label F = Fine, what do we want to label FU?
22:14 cait Updated fine?
22:14 cait Accrueing fine?
22:14 gmcharlt acrrued
22:15 cait accrued? :)
22:15 gmcharlt yeah, Acrruded fine
22:15 gmcharlt gah
22:15 gmcharlt Accrued fine
22:16 cait gotit :)
22:16 cait got it
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22:33 cait hm can't believe i am asking... but where did we move the hold fee to?
22:33 cait ooh patron category
22:33 wahanui patron category is in the works ... gimme a sec.
22:37 eythian hi
22:37 wahanui privet, eythian
22:38 cait wizzyrea: i was looking at 11573 earlier - I signed off your patches, could you maybe take a look at my follow up? I added a dependency to 12165 that adds the display logic to bootstrap - hope it's ok :)
22:41 cait wizzyrea: so we have the same display everywhere now... hopefully
22:53 wizzyrea bug 11563
22:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11563 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Class noEnterSubmit no longer functioning
22:53 wizzyrea bug 11573
22:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11573 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
22:53 cait also feel free to obsolete my patch - i can redo it on another bug
22:54 cait hm wrong number
22:54 cait bug 12165 :)
22:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12165 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add description of charges (bug 2546) to Bootstrap OPAC
22:55 cait i should go to sleep before i create more mess - night!
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22:56 eythian is there a way to merge users? i.e. if I have two user accounts belonging to one person, and I want to move everything to do with one of those accounts into the there a nice way to do that?
22:57 rangi not that i know of
23:02 * wizzyrea checks, but is skeptical
23:05 wizzyrea no good way to do that no.
23:06 wizzyrea merge borrowers would be a nice feature, could do it with borrower lists like we do with bibs
23:06 wizzyrea now that we have those.
23:08 eythian yeah
23:08 eythian though, I bet it's super uncommon
23:19 wizzyrea I think it would not be uncommon in consortia
23:19 wizzyrea or at least, the wish for it would not be uncommon.
23:19 wizzyrea it would, however, be totally fiddly with fines and reserves and such.
23:20 wizzyrea and history and...
23:20 wizzyrea notices and...

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