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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12075: fix keyboard shortcuts broken by jQueryUI upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ecfc0f473b6304832> |
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* eythian |
wonders if a call to ModBiblio providing no items data will delete existing items. |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
looks like no |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
actually, either the docs are wrong, or ModBiblio has some weird behaviour |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
> The embedded |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
item, biblioitem, and biblionumber fields from the previous |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
version of the bib record replace any such fields of those tags that |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
are present in C<$record>. Consequently, ModBiblio() is not |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
to be used to try to modify item records. |
| 03:37 |
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| 03:38 |
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eythian |
that seems to say that anything with a mapped db column can't be changed using modbiblio. |
| 03:38 |
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eythian |
which is frankly bizarre |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
I think the docs are wrong. |
| 03:42 |
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* mtompset |
scurries back to the irc logs. |
| 03:43 |
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eythian |
mostly just talking to myself. |
| 03:43 |
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mtompset |
eythian: Yes, but it looked like an interesting dialogue to check. :) |
| 04:22 |
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mtj |
hey peeps, what do people think about using Redis for a new feature for Koha? |
| 04:26 |
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eythian |
to do what? |
| 04:26 |
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mtompset |
And let's add nodejs and php and ... ;) |
| 04:27 |
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mtj |
i have a old carousel feature, that uses memcached… but it would work much better with redis (i think) |
| 04:28 |
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mtompset |
on a side note, mtj, did you notice my comment on 10823? |
| 04:28 |
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mtj |
cache persistence after reboot/restart etc... |
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| 04:32 |
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mtj |
mtompset, just read it :) |
| 04:33 |
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mtj |
hmm, i cant sign-off on my own patch |
| 04:33 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but some of that patch you rebased was MINE. ;) |
| 04:33 |
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mtompset |
and squashed. |
| 04:34 |
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mtj |
yep, so perhaps we both cant sign-off on that bug? |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
mtompset: is cache persistence after reboot/restart a useful thing to have? |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
How long does it take to populate the cache the first time? |
| 04:35 |
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mtompset |
I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that question. |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
err |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
mtj |
| 04:35 |
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* mtompset |
grins, "Autocomplete!" |
| 04:36 |
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mtj |
eythian, it turns out to be quite crucial for the feature :/ |
| 04:36 |
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mtompset |
mtj, I say sign it off, and if some QA person comes back and says, it needs sign off by someone else, that's fine. |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
mtj: why? |
| 04:36 |
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rangi |
the cache should be designed to be independent |
| 04:37 |
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rangi |
ppl might run memcache, they might do mmap, they might do whatever .. but i dont think making it a depedency of core koha is a good idea |
| 04:37 |
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rangi |
maybe do the carousel as a plugin |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
also, redis would involve a lot of extra configuration, I'd expect. |
| 04:38 |
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mtj |
heya chris :) |
| 04:38 |
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rangi |
heya :) |
| 04:38 |
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mtompset |
Well, I should sleep. |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
But I don't understand why you'd need a "persistent cache" (given those two words are somewhat of an oxymoron together.) |
| 04:38 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha rangi eythian mtj. |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
later |
| 04:39 |
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mtj |
the really short version of the caro problem is, i've been targeting google-bookcovers, as a source |
| 04:40 |
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mtj |
why?, coz they have the best coverage of new book images - compared to OL |
| 04:41 |
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eythian |
that doesn't address the question of why a persistent cache is a requirement. |
| 04:41 |
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mtj |
so the problem is… its quite easy to get banned by google, when building up a fresh memcached cache :/ |
| 04:41 |
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rangi |
hmm that sounds like we are breaking their t&c then |
| 04:42 |
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mtj |
i think a persistent cache would solve that problem |
| 04:42 |
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eythian |
sounds dodgy. |
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| 04:47 |
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john__ |
Hello everybody. Sorry to start from whining but for two days I'm tring to fix one problem with no success. Could someone help me with this: Can't call method "param" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm ??? |
| 04:49 |
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rangi |
gonna need a lot more context than that |
| 04:50 |
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john__ |
Oh thanks! Yes, It happens after update. Then when I was trying to login as admin to koha it start to uptade database and after that I'm geting this message |
| 04:51 |
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rangi |
going from what version to what version? |
| 04:51 |
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john__ |
from 3.8 to current |
| 04:52 |
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john__ |
I cant find any solution on the web. |
| 04:53 |
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rangi |
yeah its not a known bug, you seem to be the first one to have run into it, going to 3.14.05 eh? |
| 04:53 |
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john__ |
Beeng searching for last two days |
| 04:54 |
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john__ |
yes |
| 04:54 |
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rangi |
what line is it giving that error on |
| 04:54 |
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john__ |
No, I'm not a fist one. http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]914.html#a5728915 |
| 04:55 |
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john__ |
line 695 |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
you are to 3.14.5 |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
that was from 3.2 to 3.6 |
| 04:55 |
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john__ |
695 in my case |
| 04:56 |
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mtj |
eythian, its not really dodgy - i'm just bumping into a scaling problem with the caro |
| 04:57 |
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john__ |
What could be a soilution for that? What do you thing? |
| 04:57 |
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rangi |
its the search history |
| 04:58 |
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eythian |
bad cookie? |
| 04:58 |
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rangi |
could be, try hitting the opac, then the staff interface |
| 04:58 |
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eythian |
or rather, cookie format changed |
| 04:59 |
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john__ |
I have done a full reindex after an upgrade |
| 04:59 |
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rangi |
its nothing to do with indexes |
| 04:59 |
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mtj |
...on a production server after a memcached restart, a nagios ping will cause a bunch of kohas to hit google at the same time |
| 04:59 |
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rangi |
id go into your browser and delete the CGISESSID cookie |
| 05:00 |
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eythian |
mtj: why is Koha hitting google, anyway? |
| 05:01 |
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mtj |
to check that a bib's isbn has a book-cover |
| 05:01 |
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eythian |
ah |
| 05:01 |
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mtj |
the success/failure is added to the cache |
| 05:02 |
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eythian |
why not just put that in the database with a 30-day ± random <=2 days? |
| 05:02 |
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eythian |
(for example.) |
| 05:03 |
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john__ |
is there is some special place for CGISESSID cookies? I cant find it in preferances? |
| 05:03 |
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eythian |
delete your cookies for the koha site, in your browser. |
| 05:04 |
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mtj |
yeah, i think i will have to switch to just using a mysql table |
| 05:04 |
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john__ |
Deleted, same error |
| 05:05 |
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mtj |
i initially wanted many kohas sharing the memcache data, (that made some good sense) |
| 05:06 |
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mtj |
…switching to mysql will mean that each koha will be forced to have separate isbn caches :/ |
| 05:07 |
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mtj |
so, 1step forward, 1step back :) |
| 05:08 |
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john__ |
to delete and create new instanse will help? |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
john__: try deleting everything from the sessions table in the database. |
| 05:09 |
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john__ |
OK, let me try |
| 05:11 |
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rangi |
its this line |
| 05:11 |
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rangi |
$anon_search_history = $session->param('search_history'); |
| 05:11 |
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rangi |
which means that no $session is being created |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
fwiw, the memcache solution worked really well with open-libraries covers |
| 05:12 |
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mtj |
but the catch with OL was… OL have many covers - but not many *new* covers |
| 05:14 |
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mtj |
so, for new books - OL often had a very small number of hits |
| 05:16 |
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mtj |
...switching to google-books fixed that nicely.. but introduced a new problem when building a fresh isbn cache |
| 05:18 |
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mtj |
to fix the google-books problem - swapping memcache for a mysql table will (hopefully?) fix that :) |
| 05:21 |
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eythian |
dont' forget to make the expiry time stochastic. |
| 05:22 |
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john__ |
There is no sessons table in my koha database. I cant find it. For any case I'm emptyed search history table, restart sql but still same problem |
| 05:23 |
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rangi |
well theres the problem right there |
| 05:23 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 05:23 |
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eythian |
that'll be the issue |
| 05:23 |
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* rangi |
has to go catch his bus |
| 05:23 |
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john__ |
Ok, But before update was no essues with login |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
john__: if you don't have a sessions table, something has probably gone screwey |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
I don't imagine it's change in the past several releases at least. |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
So if it's missing, what else is missing? |
| 05:24 |
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john__ |
What should I do? |
| 05:25 |
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pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "list of tables in koha" (161 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/213 |
| 05:25 |
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eythian |
your list of tables should look something like this. |
| 05:25 |
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eythian |
see what is missing. |
| 05:26 |
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eythian |
if it's only sessions, then: CREATE TABLE `sessions` ( `id` varchar(32) NOT NULL, `a_session` text NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`id`)) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 |
| 05:27 |
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john__ |
Ok let me compare them please |
| 05:29 |
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john__ |
I have 163 tables but in here http://paste.koha-community.org/213 only 161 |
| 05:30 |
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eythian |
what are the differences, and in particular, what are you missing (given you don't seem to have a sessions table.) |
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| 05:45 |
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john__ |
Stupid question how many columns should be in sessions table? |
| 05:45 |
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john__ |
Sorry |
| 05:46 |
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eythian |
2, see the create statement above. |
| 05:46 |
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mtj |
...or look at the schema for Koha too |
| 05:46 |
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mtj |
schema? |
| 05:46 |
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wahanui |
schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 05:46 |
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mtj |
john__ ^^ :) |
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mtj |
http://schema.koha-community.o[…]les/sessions.html |
| 05:49 |
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john__ |
I'm using phpmyadmin to create it. |
| 05:50 |
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eythian |
the main concern is that if the sessions table is missing, other things may be missing/wrong also. |
| 05:51 |
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john__ |
yes I'm trying to compare them now. |
| 05:52 |
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john__ |
How it has happen? |
| 05:53 |
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eythian |
I don't know. |
| 05:53 |
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john__ |
Actualy there is not much data in database. May be it will be easier to delete and create new instance? |
| 05:53 |
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eythian |
it could be, yeah. |
| 05:54 |
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eythian |
definitely safer if there's not much there. |
| 05:54 |
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john__ |
Could you please guide me a bit on this? |
| 05:56 |
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john__ |
Whould be enough to sudo koha-remove {instance}? |
| 05:56 |
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john__ |
And create new one |
| 05:59 |
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eythian |
you could use phpmyadmin to delete all the tables. |
| 05:59 |
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eythian |
that'd probably be easier as you wouldn't need to set it up again. |
| 06:00 |
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eythian |
(koha would see that there are no tables and create them for you.) |
| 06:01 |
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john__ |
Just itself ? or I should run some command? |
| 06:01 |
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eythian |
no, it'll do it for you. you don't need to do anything special. |
| 06:02 |
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john__ |
ok. let me try |
| 06:04 |
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john__ |
delete means drop right? |
| 06:05 |
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eythian |
yep |
| 06:05 |
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john__ |
Cannot delete or update a parent row: a foreign key constraint fails |
| 06:06 |
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eythian |
skip it and come back to it. |
| 06:06 |
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eythian |
when you delete whatever that one depends on, you'll be able to delete that one. |
| 06:09 |
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john__ |
ok looks pretty empty :) |
| 06:10 |
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eythian |
cool, now hit the web installer again and it should offer to set everything up for you. |
| 06:10 |
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john__ |
Yes I'm doing this now |
| 06:13 |
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john__ |
Sorry, what should I choose Marc21 or Unimarc? |
| 06:15 |
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eythian |
it depends on your library |
| 06:15 |
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eythian |
what language are your records usually in? |
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john__ |
english |
| 06:15 |
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eythian |
and what country are you in? |
| 06:16 |
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john__ |
India |
| 06:16 |
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eythian |
then marc21 |
| 06:20 |
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john__ |
I mean server in India is this important? |
| 06:22 |
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eythian |
it's what the library uses. If it was a typically french speaking country, or some others, I would have said unimarc, but I'm pretty sure Indian libraries use marc21 generally. |
| 06:22 |
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john__ |
Select your MARC flavor Marc21 Unimarc |
| 06:23 |
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john__ |
Installation complete! |
| 06:23 |
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john__ |
Thank you so much!!!!! |
| 06:23 |
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john__ |
I'm so much appreciate your help!!! |
| 06:24 |
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eythian |
no worries |
| 06:24 |
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eythian |
it's what the channel is for :) |
| 06:26 |
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john__ |
Anyway I'm your debtor |
| 06:27 |
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eythian |
I could use more debtors really ;) |
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john__ |
:) |
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* eythian |
builds new master packages. |
| 06:29 |
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eythian |
hopefully this works, haven't done it for a bit too long. |
| 06:32 |
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eythian |
so far so good... |
| 06:36 |
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eythian |
damn. Now I know why. Stupid versioning issues. |
| 06:36 |
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eythian |
shoulda fixed that upstream |
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reiveune |
hello |
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eythian |
hi |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 06:54 |
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eythian |
bye cait (and everyone else :) |
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cait |
bye eythian |
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cait |
hi matts :) |
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matts |
hello ! |
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kivilahtio |
hello matts |
| 07:18 |
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kivilahtio |
has anyone installed koha on ubuntu 14.04? |
| 07:19 |
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kivilahtio |
apache2 doesnt recognize my sites-available/koha as a proper site when trying to "a2ensite koha" :( |
| 07:21 |
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kivilahtio |
maybe running iwth nginx :) |
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dac |
kivilahtio: I haven't tried but are you using apache 2.4? |
| 07:22 |
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dac |
If so, I think there are some noted issues with that |
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kivilahtio |
dac: no idea. I installed apt-get install koha-deps |
| 07:22 |
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kivilahtio |
yeah there was something in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
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dac |
Hmm, not sure, kivilahtio. |
| 07:28 |
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dac |
Alas, it's time for me to head home. Good luck! |
| 07:28 |
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kivilahtio |
dac: me neither. Thanks and take care! |
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kivilahtio |
take a look at this :) |
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kivilahtio |
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compa[…]Xeon_E5-2690.html |
| 07:39 |
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kivilahtio |
I am feeling so great for buying Intel :) |
| 07:40 |
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kivilahtio |
the price tag is interesting |
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kivilahtio |
or AMD seems to work noticeably better even under KVM compared to LXC on Intel |
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atheia |
Good morning Koha world! |
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cait |
hi atheia :) |
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cait |
@later tell could you take a look at bug 12042 for another native speaker's opionion maybe? |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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paxed |
cait: isn't the dd.mm.yyyy format widely used in germany too? |
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cait |
paxed: correct |
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cait |
that's why i commented, I'd really like to see that |
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cait |
we never got a complaint, but it would be nice to have the option |
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paxed |
ah. wikipedia says "Since 1996-05-01, the international format yyyy-mm-dd has become the official standard date format" for Germany |
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cait |
huh? |
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paxed |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]format_by_country |
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paxed |
ideally i'd fix the whole dateformat thing to allow the admin set the date format specifier, instead of just picking from a list. |
| 09:12 |
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cait |
ah, but it also says noone uses it :) |
| 09:12 |
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paxed |
but at least we over here can go forward with this now. |
| 09:14 |
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* cait |
tries to wrap her mind around bug 11947 |
| 09:14 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11947 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Hold priorities not re-calculated when hold is confirmed on checkin. |
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paxed |
hah. |
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paxed |
we have a need to have multiple holds for the same person. i wrote a fix for that, and i wondered why the priorities weren't being recalc'd. |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
ah yeah |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
there has been quite a lot of work in that area recently |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
there are bugs for multiple holds, i think it's something that is quite desired |
| 09:20 |
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cait |
always so much to do... |
| 09:21 |
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paxed |
yes. the reserves table uses patron, bibitem and date as the unique key. which is silly. |
| 09:21 |
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cait |
ah no longer i think |
| 09:21 |
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cait |
we got a reserveid now |
| 09:21 |
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paxed |
sure, but it's not used. |
| 09:21 |
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cait |
but it's not old, so some of the code still needs updating |
| 09:22 |
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cait |
yeah, we are still moving into it, there is a patch - bug 12079 |
| 09:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12079 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , CheckReserves() and _Findgroupreserve do not return reserve_id |
| 09:22 |
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cait |
woudl be good to see that signed off so we can fix it up a bit more |
| 09:28 |
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paxed |
cait: see 12085 |
| 09:28 |
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paxed |
eh. bug 12085 |
| 09:28 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron |
| 09:28 |
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paxed |
just throwing it up there, perhaps it'll be of some use. |
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cait |
thx |
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cait |
i think i foundanother priority issue... |
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cait |
*sigh* |
| 09:41 |
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cait |
bug 12086 |
| 09:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12086 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed |
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francharb |
morning |
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cait |
hi francharb |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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cait |
hi oleonard :) |
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cait |
Joubu: still around? |
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oleonard |
paxed: Is Bug 12085 awaiting signoff? If so, can you please add a test plan? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron |
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cait |
oleonard: i htink he just wanted to put the code out somewhere - and itmight clash with some of the other fixes around right now .hm. |
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oleonard |
In that case it should probably be marked "assigned" |
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cait |
hm maybe |
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khall |
@later tell gmcharlt can you please ready my reply on bug 8352 and render me a verdict? thanks! |
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khall: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
khall: render you a verdict? |
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cait |
never mind, i looked it up :) |
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khall |
: ) |
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cait |
hm not sure there, but i think configuring printers from the web might have advantages |
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cait |
with another system i know there was always the problem that the standard printer is the slip printer |
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cait |
but some prints were supposed to go to the big printer or reverse |
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cait |
so being able to pick a specific printer for different tasks was wanted |
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cait |
khall: the patch also only seems to modify reserves, but not old_reserves |
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cait |
oh, I didn't realize you were the author |
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Joubu |
cait: yep |
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might have scared away khall now |
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cait |
hi Joubu, i will put up my first batch of testing notes soon, i thought i had run into a bigger problem but it resolved itself - still working on the staged |
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khall |
cait: good point, you should fail qa on it with that as a note |
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talljoy |
cait, i haven't found anything that scares khall yet. |
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cait |
khall: saw now that you tell it the printer in the job |
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Joubu |
cait: ok thanks |
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cait |
Joubu: i found a couple of small things - nothing big so far, but still have to test the new pref functionality |
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cait |
khall: done |
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rambutan |
@wunder 64507 |
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rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 1.4°C (8:32 AM CDT on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
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rambutan |
@wunder boo |
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rambutan: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
Joubu: comments added |
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Joubu |
cait: whaou, big comment, thanks! :) |
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cait |
Joubu: I didn't cover the new pref so far, will in my next session with your follow-up |
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cait |
if you could take alook soon it would be great - i'd love to move this forward the next days |
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@wunder 77098 |
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cait: ok, I am going to provide a followup quickly |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012) |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell rangi could you take a look at bug 8352 and advise how much of the current net print you've got running for HLT or others? |
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gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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peggy |
I'm interested in looking at how koha might send the results of a cron report as an email attachment rather than embedding the report in the email message. |
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peggy |
Is there a convention for creating temporary files by Koha? Is there a directory that can be used to store temporary files? I would only need to create, write, send, delete the file. |
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ashimema_away |
any package users here? |
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mtompset |
ashimema_away: Greetings. Why? |
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cait |
peggy: what are you trying to do? :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
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cait |
peggy: i tink what we do now is create the file for the attachment |
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cait |
peggy: that's how the overdues mail does it, the one that is sent to the library with a file attachement |
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cait |
hm i tink i am not making sense |
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cait |
for overdues the attachement seems to be stored within the message_queue table and not as a separate file |
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cait |
i think some of the cronjobs ask for a path where they put temporary files then, so oyu have to set it up |
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mtompset |
cait: Your superserials bug that you noticed... I just found a patch to sign off for that, I think. |
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cait |
fredericd did one |
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cait |
today |
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mtompset |
Yes, I am looking at it now... I'll also note that potential conflict between the bug patches. :) |
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peggy |
OK, Cait, thanks. I'll check out the crons for ideas. I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if there was already a convention. |
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mtompset |
(if there is any) |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8°C (4:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
Joubu++ super fast |
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cait |
added somemore comments |
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Joubu |
cait: I am going to investigate the card view stuff |
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gmcharlt |
Joubu: please note a minor query I made on bug 11797 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash |
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gmcharlt |
also, re your followup for UNIMARC, is it certain that the subfield $a and $9 values will never have a valid value that evaluates to Perl false? |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt: This patch wasn't UNIMARC or MARC21 specific. |
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Joubu |
gmcharlt: oops, yes sorry, I'm fixing it right now |
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mtompset |
It was? |
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Joubu |
gmcharlt: yes... should be // |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: I was assuming so by inference from the fact that Joubu had filed a UNIMARC follow-up patch |
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gmcharlt |
doesn't matter either way, I WILL TEST THEM ALL! |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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Joubu |
mtompset: there is a if unimarc else |
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mtompset |
Looking at his patch, he found a similar problem elsewhere. :) |
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mtompset |
Yes. I was wrong. Sorry. :) |
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cait |
hola gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
cait: que tal? |
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cait |
muy bien |
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cait |
y tu? |
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cait |
;) |
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gmcharlt |
bien, bien, gracias ;) |
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kivilahtio |
hola! |
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reiveune |
bye |
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mtompset |
cait: Sad news. The patch only solves problem 1 for 12080. :( |
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cait |
yeah fredericd noted that |
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cait |
but it would be a start |
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cait |
mtompset: i think a partial fix is a good start, I'd think it could go in (if it works) and we leave the bug for another fix |
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ashimema |
so.. new packages issue. |
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ashimema |
any idea's why I'de be getting: 15:24:23-15/04 zebraidx(18808) [fatal] open state..LCK w [Permission denied] |
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ashimema |
when rebuilding zebra for an instance? |
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cait |
mtompset: could i get a sign off for bug 8375 ? *offers cookies* |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
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cait |
ashimema: only a giess... could it be someone ran it manually messing up permissions? |
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cait |
wah have to run |
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ashimema |
ack.. |
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vfernandes |
hi :) |
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vfernandes |
one question: it's possible to know which reserves and renews are done in OPAC? |
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vfernandes |
my client asked to created two reports to obtain those numbers |
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oleonard |
vfernandes: There is the OpacRenewalBranch system preference for tracking OPAC renewals, assuming you don't *also* want to track OPAC renewals by library |
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vfernandes |
and for reserves? |
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oleonard |
I don't know of a way to track OPAC holds. |
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mtompset |
I've never printed labels before... Are the barcodes supposed to be a different label? |
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oleonard |
What do you mean mtompset? |
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mtompset |
how can I share a screen print? |
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mtompset |
I'll show you. |
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mtompset |
http://snag.gy/wfXXp.jpg |
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mtompset |
It's like the labels are shifted over one. |
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mtompset |
Is that normal, oleonard? |
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oleonard |
Doesn't look normal to me, but the only time I use labels is when testing labels. |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... I wonder if a PDF library is newer in Debian. |
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mtompset |
@later tell cait Sorry, I tried to test 8375, but my labeling printing seems totally screwy. The barcodes are not aligned with their corresponding text. |
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mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10825: don't display enum/chron twice for items received via the serials module <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be08d9dbef096a17c> / Bug 11797: (follow-up) fix MARC21 branch of bug more idiomatically <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3613fbd9b4ab61cd5> / Bug 11797: fix odd number of elements in hash (UNIMARC) <h |
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mtompset |
hey! why is my patch called idiotmatically? The problem is subfields is too smart/dumb for its own good. I just force a scalar context by assigning it to a scalar. |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: Joubu's approach avoids the use of one-use temporary variables, which is why I standardized on it |
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gmcharlt |
also, I called nothing "idiot"; there is a difference between idiomatic and non-, is all |
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mtompset |
I mistyped. :) |
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mtompset |
No problems. :) |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt: Out of curiousity, how would the upgrade process work for a koha if we used a versioned number? You've have to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list each major version? |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: yes |
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gmcharlt |
on the plus side, no unexpected major version upgrades |
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mtompset |
And would we delete old repos? |
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gmcharlt |
on the minus side, perhaps a slightly increased chance of folks falling behind |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, I think the idea is that suites would be removed once a version is desupported |
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mtompset |
And would there be a way to have a label like 'current' shift with the creation of the latest version? |
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mtompset |
i.e. get it to still behave the way it currently does. |
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mtompset |
so those who don't want it to auto upgrade can use the version number method, but those who are willing to jump with the shift use the 'stable' method. |
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gmcharlt |
yes; I don't think there's anything precluding doing both approaches in the same APT repo |
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mtompset |
okay... and thinking back to a former conversation... i think it was rangi that pointed out that 3.8.x is only 2 years old. |
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mtompset |
perhaps a reallyreallyoldstable? |
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mtompset |
Eeeewww! oleonard, my poor eyes! I blame you for suggesting a plugin which let's me see the evilness of the HTML generated. Ewwwww! admin/auth_subfields_structure.pl?op=add_form&tagfield=010&authtypecode= |
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mtompset |
*over dramatic* How have you kept your sanity? |
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pianohacker |
@later tell dcook new version of 11559 |
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pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
To me a page full of HTML validation errors is like a sheet of unpopped bubble wrap |
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mtompset |
Okay. That makes sense then. |
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pianohacker |
hahahaha |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
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pianohacker |
hi cait! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, pianohacker. |
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cait |
hola pianohacker :) |
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pianohacker |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
oleonard: Well, since I'll probably get to it first. I'm going to pop a lot of these on that URL I gave you. :P |
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jmsasse |
Guten Tag, Cait :) |
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cait |
hi jmsasse :) |
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cait |
mtompset: sorry for running out - forgot about the time and almost missed my bus |
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mtompset |
not a problem. |
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cait |
was lucky - it was about to drive off and then stopped agian when the driver saw me running :) |
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pianohacker |
phew! |
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pianohacker |
cait: oh! I have a non-koha question for you |
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pianohacker |
you use owncloud, right? |
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pianohacker |
hi paul_p |
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paul_p |
hello pianohacker (& others) |
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cait |
hi paul_p |
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cait |
pianohacker: i do |
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pianohacker |
how are the client and server in terms of quality and memory usage? (I ask about memory because I'll be throwing the server on a vps) |
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cait |
no idea |
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cait |
i don#t have my own server right now, but a hosting package that allows to use owncloud |
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pianohacker |
ahhh, kk |
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pianohacker |
how about the desktop client? How well does the file sync work? |
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cait |
so no access to server data... and not sure how i see the client information... i have it synching constantly every minute or so right now i think |
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cait |
it seems to work well |
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cait |
with the last version it tended to forget the login data, but it seems to work stable now |
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pianohacker |
it doesn't do sync on file change? |
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cait |
maybe - i really haven't looked so much at the technical details i tihnk |
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cait |
i think it does... |
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cait |
at least when you change something locally... not sure what it does when you change a file on the server |
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pianohacker |
kk, thanks |
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pianohacker |
I'll give it a shot |
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cait |
btw |
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cait |
i don't understand 2) in the rancor instructions |
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cait |
what's reinstalling the pazpar2 patches? |
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pianohacker |
... me failing at englihs |
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pianohacker |
*english |
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cait |
i thought it wa sme failing at it :) |
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jmsasse |
cait: when you get a moment, would you please look at bugzilla #11126? |
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jmsasse |
cait: feature freeze is coming soon :( |
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oleonard |
Bug 11126 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds |
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JesseM |
jmsasse you need to sweeten the pot with a few chocolate bunnies for cait :D |
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cait |
jmsasse: i know, i am trying to work through some of the big bugs this week... but it takes a lot of time to test things like that |
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pianohacker |
or peanut butter cups |
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wahanui |
peanut butter cups are good :)… I think we should bring cait - some snickers and reese's pieces |
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cait |
I planned 2 hours on one bug today and actually spent a lot more :( |
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pianohacker |
ha! |
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cait |
we can get snickers here - peanut butter cups! |
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jmsasse |
cait: I understand, and I appreciate your hard work. |
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cait |
I just don't want to promise something |
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cait |
and there are currently a lot of known problems with priorities |
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cait |
i'd like to see those moved forward ideally before going back to the local preference holds |
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jmsasse |
cait: tell me where to send the chocolates : ) |
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jmsasse |
cait: I would also like to see the breaking up of IndependentBranches permissions also |
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jmsasse |
Cait: but I know these things are difficult and time consuming to test. |
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pianohacker |
bbl |
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pianohacker |
I have to make .NET, MySQL, a webcam and labview talk to each other |
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pianohacker |
my excitement is boundless |
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cait |
ew |
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cait |
jmsasse: I'd like all those, plus rancor, homebound, external ztargets... and a gazillion other things :( |
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cait |
jmsasse: mean I feel with you and wihsed the day had lots more hours |
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oleonard |
Interesting... a Bugzilla search by "attachment data" seems to be a pretty good way to find out if an outstanding patch touches the file you're working on. |
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oleonard |
Why does the budgets administration page template include DataTable configuration for both tables but then disable sorting on all columns? Why use DataTables if you're not sorting, or filtering, or anything? |
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oleonard |
admin/aqbudgetperiods.pl |
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oleonard |
@later tell Joubu Do you know why admin/aqbudgetperiods.tt includes a DataTables configuration for both tables but disables sorting altogether? |
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huginn |
oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
oleonard: maybe becuseof the tree view thing? |
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cait |
or... it's just a bug |
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oleonard |
cait: No it's the other budget page that has the tree view thing, aqbudgets.tt |
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cait |
hm bug :) |
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cait |
i wonder why my card view is so broken on 7180 :( |
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cait |
oleonard: hm i wonder - if you do a keyword search and no results are found, the tab switches back to check out |
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cait |
which is quite irritating - could you test if it happens for you too? |
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cait |
it happens on the start page |
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cait |
and other patches |
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cait |
catalog search - keyword search - tab doesn't stay on search the catalog but switches back to check out |
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oleonard |
I was thinking about that the other day cait, wondering whether I imagined that it used to be different |
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oleonard |
Oh yes it was different in 3.12.x |
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cait |
i think it used to be different... but i have the same problem |
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oleonard |
Time for a git bisect. Tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it. I'm off. |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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cait |
have a nice evening! :) |
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jmsasse |
What's rancor? |
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cait |
the new catalouging interface pianohacker is working on |
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jmsasse |
Ah, thanks cait. |
| 20:28 |
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cait |
homebound still needs a sign offer... |
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cait |
hm housebound |
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cait |
bug 5670 |
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wahanui |
bug 5670 is very interesting |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5670 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Housebound Readers Module |
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jmsasse |
cait: I'll take a closer look at bug 5670 when I get a chance : ) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5670 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Housebound Readers Module |
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jmsasse |
ls |
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cait |
cool :) but there are lots of others really... our problem is more the mass of good things than the lack of those |
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bag |
heya cait |
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cait |
hi bag :) |
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wizzyrea |
sup bag |
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bag |
hey wizzyrea |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
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* wizzyrea |
nods |
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pianohacker |
back |
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bag |
welcome back pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
WELCOME bag |
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bag |
:P |
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cait |
:) |
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bag |
I LOVE it |
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* cait |
grumps at the qa queue |
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bag |
@later tell magnuse HI |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
i tjust won't stay below 60! |
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* pianohacker |
makes note to spread out future patches over more bugs |
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rangi |
wtaf people |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
where? |
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* pianohacker |
pretends not to be people for a bit |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-what-they-asked/ |
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rangi |
gmcharlt: printing via lp is working fully at hlt |
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gmcharlt |
stock, I assume ? |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
i dont mind a refactor but id hate to see one that introduces regressions |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
hm, i don't tink i know how it should work - i have never seen it |
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cait |
it was hidden sometime after i started with koha |
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pianohacker |
cait: didn't you say you were going to bed? |
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cait |
befoe you come back... kind of? |
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* cait |
is not really here |
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jmsasse |
bye koha |
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pianohacker |
* cait is now known as ghost |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: sounds like the quick-and-dirty way to reconcile that with khall's stuff is to (a) revive admin/printers.pl (b) update the printers table to add lpr/netprint + columns for Net::Printer config stuff (c) and add a bit of wrapping |
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mtompset |
sorry, cait. bkg forced me to sign more off. ;) |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: IOW, not a huge deal |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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pianohacker |
bernardo konsalez griegel? |
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bag |
anyone up for taking a look at bug 10486 ? I'll trade you with looking at something that your interested in (either QA or sign-off)? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
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mtompset |
yes, pianohacker. ;) |
| 22:28 |
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mtompset |
I'm trying to keep ahead of the bunch. :) |
| 22:28 |
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mtompset |
I doubt I'll catch rangi for 2014. |
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rangi |
youve had a month where ive had no laptop |
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mtompset |
And right now, I got side tracked by ugly HTML. |
| 22:29 |
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mtompset |
Exactly. |
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mtompset |
Which is why I am not likely to catch up. |
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rangi |
you have until the 23rd |
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rangi |
:) |
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mtompset |
I don't see me getting 18 sign offs in 8 days. |
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rangi |
5290/365 |
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wahanui |
14.4931506849315 |
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eythian |
hi |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12052: DBrev 3.15.00.023 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]54619e89c775034d0> / Bug 12052: New syspref to display message on the OPAC patron summary page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5d2a4eb02edc2650e> |
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gmcharlt |
gmcharlt-- # lying in commit messages |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
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cait |
you lied??? |
| 22:40 |
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gmcharlt |
at least the patch itself is correct |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
30 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: give me a word that might appear in a title that has an umlaut, please |
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cait |
my mind just went blank |
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cait |
Füreinander? Österreich? Fuß? |
| 22:50 |
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gmcharlt |
danke |
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cait |
well practically any word can appear in a title |
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mtompset |
rangi: Exactly. No way to catch up. I'm happen with #2. :) |
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mtompset |
^happen^happy^ |
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mtompset |
eythian: I know it is evil, but could we force a version upgrade in the case that a version is retired, but leaving the name 3.x.y, but linking it 3.x+1,z? |
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eythian |
then what's the point? |
| 23:23 |
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mtompset |
Hmm... you're right... the version labels become pointless then. |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, don't want to mislead like that; better would be for it to complain duing apt-get update that it can no longer find the version, which would make the sysadmin look at sources.list |
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eythian |
my thinking is more you can be conservative or less conservative, but you'll always be current with no extra work on your part aside from updates. |
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mtompset |
So are we going to break people's sources.list files by losing the names squeeze and squeeze-dev? |
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eythian |
nope, we're doing to symlink them if that's possible, which I think it is. |
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eythian |
*going |
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mtompset |
So, logically we are maintaining the versions and old labels, and perhaps friendlier new labels (which will be used in documentation), but physically which will be which? |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
we are -- we plan to. |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
I'd probably go for testing, stable, oldstable, as this mirrors debian. |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
Probably more correctly would be experimental, stable, oldstable, but eh |
| 23:38 |
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gmcharlt |
if we go with that, I'd actually go with experimental, testing, stable, oldstable |
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gmcharlt |
experimental being the master builds |
| 23:39 |
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gmcharlt |
testing being, at least provisionally, the first major .0 release |
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gmcharlt |
IOW, for a major release, don't instantly make its .0 the current stable |
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eythian |
hmm |
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eythian |
So, the only difference between testing and stable is that testing gets .0? |
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gmcharlt |
right |
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eythian |
that's a sizeable bit of overhead for a very small difference. |
| 23:45 |
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eythian |
I'd be more inclined to say that if you don't want a .0 release, don't upgrade to it. |
| 23:46 |
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eythian |
Having a separate distro requires maintaining another packaging branch and doing another build for each one. |
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rangi |
hi mario |
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mario |
hey rangi |
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gmcharlt |
and we circle back to the original problem, which is that 10 months of the year, a plain old apt-get upgrade gets you a minor release, while two tiimes a year it gets a major upgrade |
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bag |
mario is the new systems person with ByWater |
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pianohacker |
hi bywaterian |
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gmcharlt |
hi mario |
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pianohacker |
mario++ |
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mario |
hello all |
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mario |
pianohacker++ |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: yeah. Though, to what degree is that a real problem? |
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eythian |
we could put a debconf thing in that lets you know and gives you the option to back out of the upgrade, but that's probably not a great idea (and I'm not 100% sure debconf can do that.) |
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gmcharlt |
well, we don't tend to ship badly broken releases nowadays, but an unexpected major upgrade can be painful for libraries who like to prepare with internal training on the new features |
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bag |
heya BobB |
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BobB |
hi bag |
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gmcharlt |
of course, many major releases add a dep or two, forcing a dist-upgrade and giving a sysadmin a chance to say "better switch to oldstable", but that's not guaranteed at present |
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eythian |
no upgrade should be unexpected if people are paying attention, though that's a bit of an "ideal world" situation. |
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bag |
ideal_world++ |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: just a bit! ;) |
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eythian |
I suppose the best way would be to survey people and see where they tend to stand. |
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eythian |
i.e. if they do get caught out by surprise major upgrades. |
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gmcharlt |
yeah |
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eythian |
If it is a real issue, I have no real problem with maintaining another branch for it, I'd just not like to add the overhead if nothing is to be gained. |
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eythian |
Hey, can you pull the logs for the use of the repo? I'd like to see how many machines are using each repo (roughly, obviously.) |
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eythian |
s/repo/distro/ |
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eythian |
even just the past month or so will be telling, I think. |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: http://wiki.koha-community.org/~gmc/debian/ |
