IRC log for #koha, 2014-04-14

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02:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:48 mtompset Was there a patch pushed recently that add owners to budgets?
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04:55 mtompset Greetings, cait.
04:55 cait hi mtompset
04:55 cait i saw your question in the logs
04:56 cait bug 12019 is related to the owners being added
04:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12019 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , funds displayed on acquisition home show funds of all branches
04:56 mtompset I've had intermitment oddness when I upgrade and my funds don't have an owner yet.
04:56 cait yes
04:56 cait it's a bug in my opinion, a bad one
04:58 mtompset Oops... just re-reading my patch on bug 5010.
04:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
04:58 mtompset I think I missed a tiny bit at the end. :(
04:59 mtompset or beginning.
04:59 mtompset I'll fix it up, and then head to bed. :)
04:59 cait i have to run out in a minute, hope to work my way into the pile of qa things and bugs i have sitting in my inbox this week
05:03 cait good night mtompset
05:03 mtompset Good day (24 hour period). :)
05:51 mtompset All should be good on 5010 now, cait.
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06:13 reiveune hello
06:13 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:27 mtompset Hello and au revoir, reiveune.
06:28 reiveune :)
06:28 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha reiveune
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07:21 ashimema Good morning #koha
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07:49 cait good morning #koha
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08:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.9°C (10:40 AM CEST on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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08:59 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
08:59 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 11.3°C (9:52 AM BST on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:59 ashimema behind you by 0.6 of a degree cait...
09:29 cait hey ashimema
09:29 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .)
09:29 cait excellent wahanui ;)
09:29 ashimema hi cait..
09:29 ashimema who did that.. cheeky ;)
09:30 ashimema how did meeting all go last week.. i havn't had a chance to go over the logs yet..
09:30 ashimema prague was lovely thouhg ;)
09:30 cait i think you just said: ashimema is...
09:30 cait i think it went well
09:30 cait dev meeting next week - with elections
09:30 cait i was travelling too
09:31 ashimema module maintainers is still of interest to me.. look like a number of people have now volunteered..
09:31 cait yep
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10:02 mveron Hi #koha
10:15 cait hi mveron :)
10:15 mveron hi cait :-)
10:16 khall good day cait!
10:17 cait hi khall!
10:17 cait nice to have you around again - how is being a dad? :)
10:18 khall very different ; ) More diaper changing, less sleep ; ) But it's worth it!
10:19 cait :)
10:35 cait khall: thx for the qa :)
10:36 khall np!
10:37 cait especially 9593
10:37 cait the unit tests are a good idea
10:39 paxed bah, bgkriegel sniped my bug.
10:40 cait is that a happy or an unhappy bah?
10:41 paxed cait: bug 12072 - ... slightly miffed, i guess. now it looks like i copied off of his patch :P
10:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , New dateformat
10:41 cait only thing i wondered i think was if there is an official name to 'our' dateformat
10:41 paxed i don't think there is
10:42 paxed i used 'dmydot'
10:42 cait maybe something like isodot
10:42 cait ah. yeah, dmydot would also be a bit more self explanatory
11:00 mveron Hi khall :-) Concratulations to the young family!
11:01 mveron Congratulations..
11:01 khall thanks mveron!
11:01 mveron Enjoy the time - it goes fast. My daughter is already 23... And was a baby short ago...
11:03 mveron khall: I just commented on Bug 11630 (Age restriction for Finland).
11:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , AgeRestrictionMarker doesn't handle marker immediately followed by age
11:04 khall thanks for the feeback!
11:04 mveron Welcome...
11:04 wahanui Welcome to
11:05 mveron wahanui: :-)
11:05 wahanui mveron: huh?
11:05 paxed i may have time to revisit the patch for that bug eventually, but for now, it works for us, so it'll have to do.
11:06 paxed we should be live in less than 2 months, and there's still plenty to change.
11:06 mveron Hi paxed  :-)
11:08 paxed 'lo
11:12 cait mveron: i was looking at the patch again, and I think kyle has a good point that it would be cool to verify the old strings still work in addition to the new variation
11:13 cait as we recently had a bug where the new feature broke the old feature... similar to this
11:14 cait a routine trying to figure out the price from the marc record
11:15 cait really a bit torn about this one...
11:19 khall mveron: if you are willing to move the code to a sub ( e.g. ParseAgeRestrictionMarker ) , I'll write the unit tests.
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11:29 mveron khall ++
11:29 mveron cait ++
11:30 mveron :-)
11:31 cait khall++
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11:35 * mveron Has to head away
11:35 mveron By #Koha
11:37 cait paola++
11:41 cait Joubu++ also # bug 11944
11:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
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12:07 khall I've added a patch to move the code to a sub and added unit tests for bug 11630, but I think it may be best if we had another qa'er go over my work.
12:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , AgeRestrictionMarker doesn't handle marker immediately followed by age
12:07 khall unit tests pass and test plans work
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12:13 * chris_n looks for input on bug 8797 from anyone experiencing those symptoms
12:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8797 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, In Discussion , can't delete quote of the day
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13:16 rambutan @wunder 64507
13:16 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -0.9°C (8:16 AM CDT on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Rising). Freeze warning in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am CDT Tuesday...
13:16 rambutan @wunder boo
13:16 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
13:23 rambutan @wunder whitehorse canada
13:23 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory is 1.0°C (6:00 AM PDT on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
13:24 rambutan ha! colder here than in the Yukon, and we have .5" of snow.
13:24 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.7°C (3:15 PM CEST on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:31 druthb @wunder 77098
13:31 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 23.3°C (8:31 AM CDT on April 14, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 9 PM CDT this evening...
13:34 kivilahtio our desktops perform better than our server
13:34 kivilahtio which is kinda lame
13:35 kivilahtio searching for a keyword "koira" is 3x faster on AMD Bulldozer than on Intel Xeon
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13:41 kivilahtio also configuring servers is hard :)
13:47 rambutan hard?
13:48 kivilahtio rambutan: hard :)
13:48 kivilahtio rambutan: do you find it easy?
13:48 rambutan well, yes, normally
13:48 kivilahtio rambutan: I would call it enigmatic
13:51 rambutan maybe Windows servers, but Linux is normally a piece of pie.
13:51 kivilahtio rambutan: top says that apache processes CPUs run at 100% when doing searches. Disk I/O is at ~0%, zebra and mysql at very low consumpiton. Power saving mode was on, thus CPU'h clocked to 1200MHz, now I managed to disable power saving and CPUs clock at 2900 MHz, but the difference in search time is neglible. Dropped from 15s to 10s.
13:51 kivilahtio but on my desktop, the same search takes 4s
13:51 liw whether something is hard or easy depends on what you know, it's not a universal absolute
13:51 kivilahtio liw: so true :) I don't know enough
13:51 liw kivilahtio, also, heippatirallaa
13:52 kivilahtio liw: but I can try try try. Heippatirallaa vaan
13:52 rambutan how much memory do you have?
13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: 128GB
13:52 rambutan reallly?
13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: RAID1 ssd's on HP Raid controller
13:53 kivilahtio which btw work quite poorly
13:53 kivilahtio might have to break the raid on them
13:53 kivilahtio also 2x8core with hyperthreading so ubuntu says 32 cores :D
13:53 rambutan what cpu do you have?
13:53 kivilahtio I think we should have enough juice to run our library
13:53 kivilahtio rambutan: model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 0 @ 2.90GHz
13:53 rambutan definitely. if it's not running well there's a problem somewhere
13:54 kivilahtio I agree
13:54 kivilahtio rambutan: I am using lxc with koha separated to distinct containers
13:54 kivilahtio zebra + opac + staff_cleint + mariadb
13:54 kivilahtio all communicates via unix sockets
13:54 kivilahtio should be super fast
13:54 rambutan that stuff should all work well together on the specs you have
13:54 kivilahtio the desktop is on KVM
13:55 kivilahtio beats this server
13:55 kivilahtio so why is the search time 3x slower :)
13:55 jcamins kivilahtio: you have lxc communicating via domain socket? I didn't know that was possible.
13:55 kivilahtio jcamins: using shared mounts
13:56 kivilahtio jcamins: so I prepared small 1GB partitions to share sockets
13:56 kivilahtio jcamins: and then bind mount those directories
13:58 kivilahtio jcamins: like this
13:59 jcamins kivilahtio:
13:59 kivilahtio but when I run stress tests, all I get is 100% cpu load for the search pages
13:59 kivilahtio oh noes
13:59 jcamins Wait, it's 15s when under heavy load?
13:59 kivilahtio under zero load
13:59 kivilahtio when under heavy load it is more then 45s
13:59 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought you were saying. 15s under heavy load would be fine.
14:01 kivilahtio but it doesnt explain the 100% CPU time on apache processes
14:02 kivilahtio apache processes should be idle? if accessing sockets is really slow
14:02 kivilahtio jcamins: thanks for the tip, I'll try without bind mounitng
14:13 rambutan you might ask on #virt (OFTC). Nobody seems to talk there, but they have a lot of people logged on.
14:17 kivilahtio rambutan: thanks! I have almost reconfigured so lets see!
14:17 rambutan you migh also watch virt-top if you don't already
14:20 rambutan does "cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler" show noop?
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14:21 rambutan or deadline?
14:21 wahanui i think deadline is today. The more the merrier I think. I should check times.
14:22 oleonard wahanui is trying to scare people
14:24 kivilahtio rambutan: I am using lxc without libvirt
14:24 kivilahtio rambutan: noop [deadline] cfq
14:25 kivilahtio rambutan: whatever that means
14:25 rambutan noop and deadline are recommended for ssd arrays
14:25 kivilahtio rambutan: I did stress tests on the ssd-array as i had a gut feeling it might not work as well as expected
14:25 kivilahtio rambutan: I got some crazy results and cpu usage went off the roof
14:26 kivilahtio rambutan: I lost the results during a OS reinstall, but I have been thinking of breaking the ssd-array
14:26 kivilahtio and just running DB and Zebra on single ssd's
14:26 kivilahtio they have the durability counters so they can be changed before they break
14:26 kivilahtio +binary log forsafety
14:27 rambutan it deals with the scheduler, in reading right now I see that cfq may not be the best
14:27 rambutan you might check these slides:
14:27 rambutan[…]ing-linux-servers
14:27 kivilahtio rambutan: the disk i/o from iostat said 0%
14:28 kivilahtio I mean the disk utilization was almost 0%
14:28 kivilahtio and it wrote maybe 110kB/s
14:33 kivilahtio no effect from moving from unix sockets to tcp :(
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14:36 rambutan do you have a test system you can play with?
14:37 kivilahtio some :)
14:37 rocio hey cait!
14:38 kivilahtio rambutan: time is something I don't have :)
14:43 kivilahtio zebra search times are absolutely minimal, like 0.03s and zebra is the one running on ssd, others on hdd's
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16:01 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
16:02 oleonard Hi mtompset
16:03 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. :)
16:04 mtompset bkg is making it hard to stay on top for April sign offs. :)
16:17 reiveune bye
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16:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11846: DBrev <[…]a15b097707d5d66be> / Bug 11846: Correct database update for restrictions with date 9999-12-31 <[…]750d744ed1f91dd85> / Bug 7143: Updating history with new developers <[…]ha.git;a=commitdi
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17:21 chris_n anyone noticed this:[…]rite.html#logging
17:21 * chris_n guess not since head has the rewrite log lines commented out
17:28 mtompset I think that is more of a tcohen question. ;)
17:39 oleonard Dear staff member who types "NO PHONE NUMBER" into the phone number field: I hope you're haunting me from the past, not the present.
18:20 mtompset Poor oleonard. :)
18:28 oleonard select count(*) from borrowers where phone like 'no%'; 162
18:33 gmcharlt @later tell cait bug 11947 deserves quick QA
18:33 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
18:37 oleonard Bah. Batch patron modification doesn't let me clear phone number.
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18:44 mtompset Don't put empty string, put space. ... or better yet, just do it in MySQL directly. :P
18:47 oleonard mtompset: Batch patron modification doesn't offer the option of modifying phone number at all.
18:47 mtompset oh, well that seems like a useful enhancement.
18:48 oleonard mtompset: And as a hosted customer I don't get to run direct MySQL queries willy-nilly (which is, I'm sure, entirely proper)
18:49 mtompset Ah.
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18:54 francharb hello
18:54 oleonard Hi francharb
18:54 * cait waves
18:54 * francharb waves oleonard and cait
18:56 mtompset greetings, cait.
18:56 mtompset Greetings, francharb.
18:56 francharb o/ mtompset
18:56 mtompset What is the maximum of items for a biblio anyone has ever seen?
18:56 mtompset max number of items...
18:56 cait it can grow to a lot when you have serials
18:57 cait or textbooks in a bigger university
18:57 cait i think could be a few hundred then
18:58 mtompset Okay... So 1000 is a safe upper limit of items to add for a biblio at any given time?
19:03 cait hm it hsould not be a hard limit I think
19:04 cait not sure about the context?
19:07 mtompset bug 10473
19:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10473 major, P1 - high, ---, amitddng135, In Discussion , Max length should be 2 digit for adding multiple copies in add items page
19:07 mtompset Trying to think of a reasonable way to calculate a soft upper limit.
19:08 mtompset I figure if they have an empty DB, they won't be adding more than 1K items for a given biblio.
19:08 mtompset But perhaps that it too low.
19:08 mtompset -- bus time... need to pick up my son.
19:08 cait hm
19:08 cait i think adding is different
19:08 cait because yo will not want to add more than x at a time
19:08 cait while the total might be high
19:08 cait I'd think
19:59 mtompset Got to run...
19:59 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha cait druthb francharb
21:10 wizzyrea oleonard: there are lots of things batch mod doesn't let you do
21:10 wizzyrea oh he's gone away
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21:25 francharb bye all
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22:33 eythian hi
22:33 wahanui hello, eythian
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