IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-31

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01:54 eythian new packages uploading
01:55 eythian *uploaded
01:56 dcook \o/
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03:34 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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04:01 mtompset Greetings, cait.
04:01 mtompset I was wondering if you might be able to explain the difference between translate update and translate install.
04:02 eythian that's a terrible question to ask someone who presumably woke up 15 minutes ago.
04:02 dcook ^
04:02 rangi -i, --install Install the specified lang_code language translation.
04:03 rangi install creates .tt files and .js etc from the .po files and the english files
04:03 cait hm make it 10 minutes ago
04:03 cait and overslept 2 alarm clocks by half an hour
04:03 eythian oops
04:03 mtompset cait: Sorry. :(
04:03 rangi update updates the po files from the english templates
04:03 cait rangi++
04:04 rangi you update, translate, install
04:04 mtompset rangi: So, if I install and install and install... no harm done?
04:04 rangi nope
04:04 mtompset but it is effectively overkill the second and following times?
04:04 rangi not overkill
04:04 rangi just pointless
04:05 rangi unless you have changed the .po file in between
04:05 rangi or changed the english templates
04:05 rangi (by upgrading your install for example)
04:06 mtompset so if I change the english templates (apply a patch), then an update won't work?
04:06 rangi what?
04:06 rangi an update will update the .po file(s) yes
04:06 rangi it wont touch your installed language templates
04:09 mtompset Hmm... let me try this again... I smacked it hard with install, because update wasn't working for me.
04:09 rangi update only updates the .po files
04:09 rangi it does not change any installed language you have
04:09 rangi ie update does not ever never ever ever ever ever update or create .tt files
04:09 rangi only install does that
04:10 rangi so if you change the english template
04:10 rangi and run update, you now have a po file, with the new string in it
04:10 rangi translate it, using poedit, or if its been updated on
04:10 rangi translate it there
04:11 rangi now you have a po file with your new string(s) and translations
04:11 rangi install that to update you .tt and .js files
04:15 mtompset does update touch pref files?
04:16 mtompset bug 10818
04:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10818 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , System preference OAI-PMH:ConfFile isn't translatable
04:16 cait yes, it also translates the pref files
04:16 cait all the files
04:16 mtompset I signed it off, because if I do perl translate install, I see the behaviour being described.
04:16 rangi update never touches .pref files
04:16 rangi only .po files
04:16 cait ah sorry
04:16 cait shoudl have readback
04:16 cait rangi is right ofcourse
04:16 rangi install makes the .pref files
04:17 mtompset okay... then I noted the mistake in the test plan. ;)
04:21 rangi right time to head home
04:44 cait ... and time to catch my bus and then hopefully the train as well
04:44 cait bye all, later
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05:33 mtompset Sleep calls.
05:33 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui what's up, reiveune
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06:47 marcelr hi #koha
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06:58 alex_a bonjour
06:58 wahanui niihau, alex_a
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07:06 * magnuse waves
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
07:22 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
07:29 ashimema anyone here understand the auth code especially well?
07:30 ashimema i.e. What the order of events is when logging in vie a page other than
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07:46 cait-m__ hi koha
07:56 magnuse kia ora cait-m__
07:56 magnuse traveling?
07:56 wahanui traveling is probably good
08:02 cait-m__ yeah
08:03 cait-m__ waiting for my next train now
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08:41 * cait waves
08:43 marcelr hi cait
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08:47 cait @wunder Bochum
08:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bochum, Germany is 15.7°C (10:46 AM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
08:49 magnuse nice
08:49 magnuse @wunder boo
08:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:50 cait yeah it's pretty nice out there
08:51 cait only problem is the itchy eyes from the hay fever
09:00 magnuse yeah, that sux
09:01 magnuse no hay in sight here...
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09:04 magnuse no hay in sight here...
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09:15 * cait wishes the train wouldn't shake as much
09:15 * cait watches cait1 leave and also wishes for more stable internet
09:16 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
09:16 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.1°C (10:16 AM BST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:16 magnuse nice
09:16 ashimema lovely :)
09:17 magnuse friday was really nice here
09:17 ashimema it was horrid here.. but we had an excellent weekend to make up for it.
09:18 cait hi ashimema :)
09:18 ashimema hi cait..
09:19 ashimema I've found a relatively annoying bug in the shib implementation cait..
09:19 ashimema it's a rather 'head scratching' one too.. no obviose fix.
09:19 cait oh sorry to hear that
09:19 cait i found  a bug in external search also
09:19 ashimema auth in koha is 'weird'
09:19 cait tested with Jesse yesterday, it basicallyworks on my laptop now
09:20 cait i guess it's grown over a longer period of tme...
09:20 ashimema With shib, you can have a semi-anonymous session.. in that you are logged in to shibboleth, but not matched to a koha user and so not actualyl logged in.
09:20 cait maybe document and ask the others for ideas?
09:20 cait seems alot of people have been working with shib in one way or the other
09:20 ashimema I'm reading through the cas code..
09:21 ashimema it deals with this exact kinda thing.. I think
09:21 ashimema it's certainly not a deal breaker at least..
09:21 ashimema you tested shib with jesse?
09:21 ashimema I thought you had somthing else planned?
09:21 cait ah not shib
09:21 ashimema ah.. sorry.. missed a line above.
09:21 ashimema external search.
09:21 cait we tested his pazpar2/external search targets
09:22 ashimema i'm super excited to see that go in :)
09:22 cait but i will be able to test any follow ups now i think, which will make things easier
09:22 cait yeah... i was going to ask you if you can check it for packages...
09:22 ashimema sure thing..
09:22 cait he wanted to do a follow up tomorrow
09:22 ashimema i'll wait for his followup then..
09:23 ashimema what days does he work agian.. Tue and ?
09:23 cait Thursday i think
09:23 ashimema I've got a few questions of my own to collar him about.
09:23 cait I'd love to see that go in as well
09:23 ashimema likewise.
09:25 magnuse so much cool stuff going on! :-)
09:28 ashimema my head hurts..
09:29 ashimema am I reading this right.. if cas is enabled do 'all' urls paths get appended with a 'cas=' query to show wether a valid cas session is prrpesent or not..
09:29 ashimema It seems a bit of a hacky way to access this data..
09:29 ashimema but I could well be reading it wrong.
09:29 ashimema and.. where woudl be a better location for such data.
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09:31 cait1 gr
09:31 ashimema poor cait
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09:32 ashimema oh.. hang on..
09:32 * magnuse hangs on
09:33 ashimema is there a standard userid for a anonymous session..
09:33 ashimema I want to be able to test, on every page, wether I have both a 'shibboleth session' And an 'anonymous session'.
09:34 cait1 hm we do search history for anonymous
09:34 cait1 and sessions
09:34 wahanui sessions are another biggie
09:39 ashimema indeed we do.
09:40 ashimema think i've reverted to using the whole irc channel as a big rubber duck.. apologies
09:41 magnuse fine by me :-)
09:43 nlegrand howdy #koha
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09:54 cait ashimema: no problem with being a rubberduck
10:11 cait @wunder Bochum
10:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bochum, Germany is 19.2°C (12:11 PM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
10:12 cait so quiet, i thought i was gone again
10:15 magnuse 19!
10:17 cait ?
10:19 magnuse 19.2°C
10:19 cait ah 19
10:19 cait yes
10:19 cait it's too warm already :)
10:19 magnuse send some degrees up here?
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12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 magnuse kia ora oleonard
12:30 magnuse did galen announce dates for feature freeze etc yet?
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12:50 magnuse wb cait
12:50 magnuse still having fun on a train?
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12:50 cait nah having fun in a hotel room now
12:50 cait and sneeziing
12:51 magnuse well, that is progress at least ;-)
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12:53 magnuse druthb!
12:53 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:53 druthb magnuse!
12:53 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
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13:04 cait because he is wahanui :)
13:04 cait hi druthb :)
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13:08 cait ok, i am goin gout for a little adventure and more sneezing
13:08 cait bbl
13:13 rhcl @wunder 64507
13:13 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 16.3°C (8:10 AM CDT on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 7 PM CDT this evening...
13:13 rhcl time to go mushroom hunting
13:19 magnuse spring mushrooms?
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13:23 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch?
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13:48 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch?
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14:13 rhcl magnuse: Yes.[…]sculenta%2023.jpg  Too early here yet, probably in about 3 weeks.
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14:21 magnuse rhcl: cool, we get something similar here, in ~2 months :-)
14:25 * francharb waves
14:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #401 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:27 gmcharlt @quote random
14:27 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011)
14:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #1675 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates <[…]b40e5ce99cde67cb7> / Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches <[…]e1b1a8104de9c410c>
14:49 barton Morning #koha!
14:50 barton Is there an open bug concerning search on '&'? I've got a partner who's getting an error on
14:50 marjorie anyone for my question? in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch?
14:51 barton http://catalog.foundationcente[…]&%20Leadership%22
14:51 barton I've seen bugs concerning perentheses and the use of 'and', but I think this is different.
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15:07 jcamins barton: the problem looks to be URLencoding, or lack thereof.
15:09 barton jcamins -- that makse sense. The link in question was on the search results page, so it's definitely a bug.
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15:09 barton morning, cait.
15:11 cait morning barton
15:18 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #401: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/401/
15:18 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches
15:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , add table sorters to label batches
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15:28 gaetan_B bye !
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15:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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16:07 cait hm can i get a sign off on bug 11578?
16:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improvement of the funds list view
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16:16 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates
16:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12000 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , staff users can set hold suspension dates to occur in the past
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16:31 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add note about bib export needing items
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16:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches
16:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates
16:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , add table sorters to label batches
16:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12000 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , staff users can set hold suspension dates to occur in the past
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17:18 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch?
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17:47 Sean Hi all, we have 11 libraries and I've generated a script that will email each library their own hold pickup notices each morning (rather than having them go to a web directory to view them). Would anyone else find that remotely useful
17:47 Sean If so I'll post it to wiki, if not I'll keep our organization wierdness to ourselves :P
17:53 cait Sean: it's not weird, although i think we couldn#t use it - email is not very safe from a data privacy perspective
17:53 cait which means we are weird :)
18:02 Sean cait this is true :)
18:05 mtompset Greetings again, #koha.
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18:27 mtompset Greetings, khall. :)
18:28 mtompset Actually, email is quite safe if your organization hosts its own mail server and you are emailing internally. ;)
18:30 rangi or you are using tls
18:31 rangi id post it to the wiki, libraries do a lot less secure stuff all the time
18:31 rangi the best way to do it, would be to have each library have a gpg key, and you encrypt the mail
18:31 rangi then only the intended recipient could read it
18:32 rangi drojf has a patch for adding this to koha already
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18:37 mtompset rangi: if you have a function/method that returns different results based on scalar or non-scalar contexts, is there a way to tell it is in a scalar context?
18:37 mtompset tell it that it is in...
18:40 rangi eh?
18:40 mtompset how to force a function/method to return a scalar in a nice way.
18:41 mtompset I could always do a string operation, but that seems so hokey.
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18:42 rangi return(scalar(something))
18:43 rangi not sure why you would ever need to do that tho
18:46 * cait waves
18:48 mtompset rangi: I'm thinking if there is a better way to solve bug 11797.
18:49 mtompset Hi, cait.
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18:59 mtompset mtj: You here?
19:02 jcamins ::snrrkk::
19:02 jcamins rangi++
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19:06 rangi[…]rity-HTTP-headers
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19:09 rangi also this is cool
19:09 * druthb sees rangi's post on his blog, then remembers where he is in proximity to the International Date Line.
19:10 cait2 my internet is  ... dying
19:10 cait2 seems everyone got into th ehotel now
19:10 Sean can Koha search OPAC or staff client by OCLC# (useful for ILL's)?
19:11 cait2 it dependson where your oclc# is stored
19:12 Sean it appears to be in control # field
19:12 cait2 then yes
19:12 cait2 keyword search or Control-number=...
19:13 bag sean 001?  or 035?
19:13 cait2 heya bag :)
19:13 Sean yeah thought that would work but search fails. Checking the MARC now (we really need to overhaul ILL procedures :)
19:13 bag heya cait2
19:15 cait2 hm my inernet is broken... i am still here... but i can't open any website?
19:15 rangi probably your dns
19:16 Sean 001 field, and in looking I think staff are conflating record data, and searching on the wrong strings....
19:16 cait2 hm brb trying sth
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19:20 talljoy druthb me too!
19:20 talljoy and i'm time zone challenged.  took me a minute.
19:20 cait back
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19:21 talljoy but rangi, shouldn't the quote have been "Yeah, naw" instead of just 'naw'?  :-D
19:22 rangi :)
19:29 mtompset rangi++ # nice April fools post. :)
19:29 cait ssssh
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19:30 cait :)
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19:31 cait @later tell oleonard - could we add table sorting on the circlation conditions table?
19:31 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
19:31 * cait waves at gmcharlt
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19:32 gmcharlt @quote random
19:32 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013)
19:33 cait @quote random
19:33 huginn cait: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010)
19:33 * cait hopes that is the answer to her later
19:34 cait hmm
19:34 cait ok bug 11744
19:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11744 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , cancel receipt doesn't work for one item
19:35 cait when adding items on receive... and you want to cancel it, the items are currnently not deleted automatically
19:35 cait and i failed the fix for deleting them, because they would have left the holds uncancelled and invisible (for records with no more items)
19:36 cait so we changed it and now you can't undo the receive if there is a hold at all... but it still doesn't seem quite right?
19:36 cait wonder if we made it worse
19:41 cait ok
19:41 * cait will stop talking about ac
19:41 cait q
19:41 cait immediately :)
19:41 * cait puts the cookie in the middle of #koha
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19:42 cait hi trea
19:45 druthb @quote random
19:45 huginn druthb: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012)
19:46 jcamins I can't remember the context, but it sounds hysterical.
19:46 jcamins lol
19:46 jcamins Yep. 740.
19:50 trea o/
19:50 trea hi cait
19:54 * cait just found the perfect bug for her march branch 100
19:58 cait hm
19:59 cait is this something to worry about?
19:59 cait bumblebee:~/kohaclone (master) $ git pull
19:59 cait warning: expected SRV RR, found RR type 1
20:00 rangi never seen it before
20:01 rangi did the pull work?
20:02 cait yep it die
20:02 cait yep it did
20:02 cait maybe we don#t have to worry, that's what someone wrote on google:
20:03 cait "At a hotel with a very broken Wi-Fi setup, DNS replies are being rewritten in a weird way"
20:03 cait after the problems earlier... and noone else seeing it...
20:03 rangi most likely that
20:03 rangi since your internet is being weird
20:03 cait yeah
20:13 rhcl cait: can't you just manually enter a good known DNS resolver in your network settings?
20:15 cait it work right now - not going to touch it :)
20:15 rhcl aw, be brave!
20:16 cait nope - too late for htat :) going to sleep soon and I'd rather have internet until I do
20:17 rhcl @seen bag
20:17 huginn rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bag> heya cait
20:18 bag hi
20:25 cait dbs: bug 11786
20:25 wahanui bug 11786 is ready for signoff is it not?
20:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Passed QA , Improve RDFa mappings in prog and bootstrap
20:29 dbs cait++ rangi++
20:32 cait :)
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21:05 cait night all:)
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21:26 eythian hi
21:28 rhcl HI eythian
21:40 eythian[…]oks-ever-written/
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22:07 wizzyrea if ashs wanted to use bootstrap, the recommendation system wouldn't work eh?
22:07 wizzyrea or wouldn't display
22:08 eythian yeah
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23:14 eythian I totally never knew about this:
23:14 eythian if ($ENV{KOHA_BACKTRACES}) {
23:14 eythian $main::SIG{__DIE__} = \&CGI::Carp::confess;
23:14 eythian }
23:14 eythian that'll be handy
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23:32 mtompset Hmmm... so a KOHA_BACKTRACES environment variable will confess the die into the log files when die is called?
23:35 eythian I assume that it's die and all other exceptions, but I'm not 100% sure.
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23:48 mtompset Greetings, papa.
23:51 papa hi there!
23:51 papa mtompset: those tests I've added, that's what you had in mind?
23:52 mtompset I noticed you putting tests, I haven't had a chance to go look at them. This is for bug 11213, right?
23:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11213 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , GetItemsInfo() called twice
23:52 papa mtompset: yes. no pressure
23:53 papa ah, need tochange status...
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23:57 mtj heya mtompset, papa
23:58 papa g'day mate
23:58 mtompset Greetings, mtj.
23:58 mtompset I think I touched a bug report or two of yours today. :)
23:58 mtj aah ok, what numbers?
23:59 * mtj checks emails...

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