IRC log for #koha, 2014-02-27

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01:12 mtompset 856$u rocks. :)
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02:26 mtompset Well, logbot. we've been split. :)
02:26 mtompset dcook: You there?
02:56 dcook ...
02:56 dcook It's so lonely out here!
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06:26 saa i have a 3.2 sql backup can some one tell me hw easily and safely i can get it in 3.14
06:37 wajasu pwd
06:37 wajasu ls
06:37 wajasu you are on the right track
06:38 wajasu you might scour the release notes or wiki to see how things progressed across versions.
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07:06 mtj saa, create a test 3.14 koha - then load your 3.2 db into it
07:07 saa will it directly take
07:07 mtj hit the admin url, and it will prompt you for 3.2 -> 3.14 upgrade
07:07 mtj yes
07:07 saa oh let me try immediately
07:08 saa i spent unnecessarily time on going from 3.2 to 3.4, 3.6 etc.
07:08 mtj every time koha generates a page it checks the db version number...
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07:08 mtj …if the version number is old, koha redirects to the upgrade page
07:09 mtj yep, a biggg waste of time  ^^ :)
07:10 mtj you can upgrade a koha 3.0 db to latest koha, all in one go  :)
07:10 saa oh tx for this
07:10 mtj no probs… :)
07:10 saa i can install 3.14 and i dont need to run webinstall right
07:11 saa i can just run mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha3.2backup.sql
07:11 mtj you do need to run web-install
07:13 mtj and then the 'sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha'  script, too
07:13 mtj $ sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha
07:14 mtj $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  your_koha
07:14 mtj .
07:14 mtj …run those 2 commands after web-install, all done :)
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07:40 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:40 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:40 cait good morning #koha
07:40 cait ho narro!
07:41 cait (something that is said today in Konstanz by crazily costumed people)
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07:48 reiveune hello
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07:59 Joubu o/
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08:06 gaetan_B hello
08:10 cait hi Joubu and gaetan_B
08:10 cait oh and hi reiveune :)
08:10 paxed <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[(@tag=100 or @tag=700) and @ind1!='z']">
08:10 cait khall: isn't it really late or realyl early for you?
08:10 paxed ind1!=z????
08:10 reiveune salut cait
08:11 paxed there is no ind1=z in the marc21 format
08:11 cait paxed: yes, that is used I think when you index headings
08:11 cait paxed: correct, that's why z is used
08:11 paxed index headings?
08:11 matts hi !
08:11 cait sec
08:12 cait finding the pref
08:12 cait IncludeSeeFromInSearches
08:12 wahanui IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore.
08:12 cait when using authorities you can make the search also index the see also forms
08:12 cait so zebra gets them with the record for indexing
08:15 cait and they will use the z indicator (to my knowledge)
08:17 paxed ok, just an undocumented(?) Magic Value
08:17 cait you can always do a git blame
08:17 cait and find the patch that added it, if you are lookng at the code :)
08:17 paxed if i'm looking at the xslt and it handles marc, i first look at the marc specs.
08:18 cait yeah but it can help when you stumble on something you don't find there
08:18 cait which xslt are you looking at?
08:18 paxed MARC21slim2intranetResults.xsl
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08:18 * magnuse waves
08:18 cait bug 7417
08:18 wahanui bug 7417 is a good one too
08:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
08:19 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 5.4°C (9:18 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
08:19 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway
08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 1.9°C (9:05 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:19 cait good morning magnuse
08:19 magnuse kia ora cait
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08:25 saa i tried importing koha 3.2 to 3.14 first blank installation of 3.14 with web install run
08:25 saa then copied 3.2 sql file through terminal
08:26 saa but when i opened webpage it did nt ask for any upgrade page
08:26 cait did your sql file copy correctly?
08:26 cait check the version it shows in the systempreferences
08:26 saa ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 2586: Can't create table 'koha_library.letter' (errno: 150)
08:26 saa it threw above error
08:26 cait yeah
08:26 saa but came out
08:26 cait try emptying out the database
08:27 cait before you import yours
08:27 cait not run the web installer
08:27 saa can u tell me command to empty database
08:28 cait you log into mysql for that
08:28 saa already logged in
08:28 cait make sure you drop the right database! drop database xxxx; create database xxxx;
08:28 cait then reload your dump
08:28 saa my old dump has database name koha and passwd library
08:28 saa new database will be koha_library
08:29 saa is that ok
08:29 cait check the sql file you loaded - sometimes the database name is in the dump
08:29 cait and then bad things can happen
08:29 cait if it's in the sql file (somewhere at the beginning) change it to your new database name
08:30 cait should be use database;
08:30 saa sorry
08:30 saa can u tell me hw i can change that in sql file of old dump
08:31 cait open it in an editor or use vi
08:31 saa i opened
08:31 cait it's not different to a text filer really
08:31 cait look for a line starting with use
08:32 cait if there is use koha; you want to change it to use koha_library - but it might not be necessary
08:32 cait doing the drop and create and then reloading might just wor without any additional changes
08:32 saa it is not there use koha
08:32 cait good :)
08:33 cait did you do the drop and create commands?
08:33 saa ok let me try
08:34 saa i ran mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha-dapoli-3.2-backup.sql this command and it did nt throw any error
08:35 saa shall i now just run webinstall
08:35 saa or index first
08:35 cait i'd runt he web installer first
08:35 cait it should update now your database, instead of offering sample files etc.
08:36 saa right it says updating from 3.01 to 3.14.04
08:37 cait not bad so far then :)
08:38 magnuse paul_p: could/shuld bug 5439 just be closed?
08:38 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 3M RFID sensitization
08:38 saa [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4003.     [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4004.
08:38 saa only threw abv two errors
08:39 saa shall i rebuild zebra manually
08:39 saa and then check
08:43 cait the errors should be ok
08:43 paul_p magnuse done, bug 5439 closed. I think there's another bug for this
08:43 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, 3M RFID sensitization
08:44 magnuse there is bug 2244
08:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2244 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , RFID Cataloguing and Circulation
08:44 magnuse which has some ~5 years old code from slef
08:45 cait paul_p: not sure 3M was submitted somewhere - I remember talking to hdl about it ages ago
08:45 cait paul_p: I think he pointed me to your repository back then
08:46 saa yes worked fine
08:46 saa only thing koha opac page shows old UI
08:46 cait paul_p: which remembers me - do uyou have libraries using mifare cards?
08:46 saa why it could be
08:46 paul_p cait = I don't think so. AixMarseille university uses contact-less cards, dunno if it's mifare.
08:46 cait saa: if you use trnaslations, you need to recreate the templates
08:46 paul_p cait = we made a specific branch for them.
08:47 cait saa: also coming from an old version you need to run an additional script
08:47 * paul_p dig git
08:47 cait paul_p: maybe it's similar to what we have here - maybe ask you again in marseille ;)
08:47 saa if u tell me those
08:47 cait magnuse: can you help me out with the remove... script saa needs to run?
08:47 saa my job is over
08:48 saa thx cait for all help
08:48 cait saa: the way items are stored changed between 3.2 and 3.12 - lots of things changed :)
08:49 cait saa: how did oyu install koha?
08:49 saa i installed 3.14 through packages
08:49 cait if you are using packages there shoudl be a koha-translate command for updating the templates
08:49 saa and dumped 3.2 database
08:49 paul_p cait = can't find what I was looking for (and must leave for a meeting. don't hesitate to ask alex during the hackfest. We made a branch just for aix-marseille, that we maintain
08:49 cait paul_p: i will make a note :) already have quite a list!
08:50 paul_p cait do you want me to ask our govt to declare that, from 10th to 14th, days will last 48 hours ?
08:50 paul_p :D
08:50 saa what should i use just koha_translate
08:50 magnuse paul_p: excellent idea!
08:50 saa install or update
08:50 cait look at the help for the script
08:50 cait paul_p: it would help yes :)
08:51 magnuse saa: there is a script you need to run
08:51 paul_p OK, will try. You should ask angela for the same. Maybe EU will accept !
08:51 paul_p :D :D
08:51 saa can u pl  tell me what i need to run
08:51 cait heh
08:52 cait saa: have to leave for a bit, maybe someone else can help you with updating translations and correcting item data - i think that's the steps you need to do now
08:52 magnuse saa: "sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 <instancename>" - but i have never run it after such a "long" upgrade...
08:53 magnuse also for the translations: "sudo koha-translate -u <yourlanguagecode>"
08:54 saa koha-translate -u en
08:54 saa Error: the default language (en) cannot be updated.
08:55 magnuse yeah, no use updating en, tht's the default
08:55 magnuse you have no other languages installed?
08:55 saa no
08:56 magnuse ok
08:56 magnuse forget about koha-translate, then ;-)
08:56 magnuse dud you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4
08:56 magnuse ?
08:56 saa ok that means i can only see old koha opac internace
08:56 saa i am running
08:56 magnuse you have to change the syspref
08:57 saa will that help
08:57 saa what in syspref
08:57 magnuse the syspref is called " opacthemes "
08:57 cait some french around? :)
08:57 magnuse set that to bootstrap
08:57 cait i need the french term for account number in the vendor :)
08:58 cait ah never mind
08:58 Joubu cait: numéro de compte ?
08:58 cait Joubu: i am working on some enh for the layout2pages
08:58 magnuse le numeriqe accountique de la vendorique
08:58 cait but the french one is layout3pages
08:58 cait magnuse: you invented that
08:59 magnuse naaaah...
08:59 Joubu magnuse: :)
08:59 cait Joubu: bug 7267
08:59 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Display accountnumber in PDF
08:59 cait woudl you be interested in showing the accountnumber on the french template?
08:59 Joubu cait: yes, certainly
09:00 cait I will just add in a separate patch and you can take a look
09:01 Joubu cait: yep
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09:11 marcelr hi #koha
09:11 cait hi marcel
09:11 marcelr :)
09:12 cait :)
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09:21 magnuse adding a new feature that should be off by default and needs one setting (a url for a service). which is best: to have a dedicated syspref to turn the feature on and off + one syspref for te setting OR to have empty setting = feature off, non-empty setting = feature on?
09:21 cait what kind of feature?
09:21 magnuse rfid :-)
09:21 cait hm
09:21 magnuse there might be more settings needed later
09:21 cait i think smsdriver only has the url to activate
09:22 cait leave empty otherwise
09:22 cait i think if more setting, a central switch is good
09:22 magnuse i favour the two syspref version
09:22 cait if only one setting, one pref shoudl work
09:22 magnuse then you can turn it off and on without needing to re-enter the setting to turn it on
09:22 cait :)
09:23 Joubu magnuse: are you a syspref addict? :)
09:33 cait patches attached
09:33 cait hope i didn't mess up :)
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09:53 cait hi petter
09:53 petter hi cait!
09:57 cait :)
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10:05 cait Joubu: do you knwo in which field the edition is stored for UNIMARC?
10:07 cait field = biblio or biblioitems field
10:07 cait column
10:14 Joubu cait: no, gaetan_B maybe?
10:15 gaetan_B cait: the edition as in "énd editioné ?
10:15 gaetan_B err
10:15 gaetan_B "2nd edition"
10:15 cait i think i found it
10:15 cait 205 $a
10:15 cait and it's not mapped
10:15 cait but we have biblioitems.editionstatement - i think it could go there for marc21 and unimarc ?
10:16 gaetan_B indeed
10:22 marcelr Joubu: what did you mean with [The transaction does not work, we use 2 handlers on the same DB] in connection with bug 8007 ?
10:23 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management
10:31 Joubu marcelr: there are 2 handlers on the same DB: 1 handler created in C4::Context and 1 in Koha::Database
10:31 marcelr yes, and what was the exact problem
10:32 Joubu using a transaction, the 2nd handler is waiting the connexion and don't manage to execute the query
10:32 marcelr ok isee thanks
10:32 Joubu marcelr: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=24025
10:32 Joubu there is a FIXME and the end
10:33 marcelr this needs some general attention
10:33 marcelr soon
10:33 Joubu s/and/at
10:33 Joubu marcelr: yes, it is quite important.
10:37 cait gaetan_B: 205$a was right?
10:37 kivilahtio_ Could anyone help me with linux routing tables?
10:37 gaetan_B cait: yes ! absolutely !
10:37 cait thx :)
10:38 cait now what do you think about bug 11859?
10:38 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions
10:38 cait gaetan_B: should i add it to the French PDF template as well?
10:38 cait i was not sure why it as left out in the first place
10:38 gaetan_B it sounds like a very good idea yes
10:39 kivilahtio_ I need to send packets from a virtual container via a specific eth4 (not the default gateway). Containers are connected by a bridge and their outbound packets are routed via an extra routing table specifying the eth4 as a default gateway, then they are NATed. I get packets out via the correct path but not the replies :(
10:39 cait gaetan_B: ok :)
10:39 cait kivilahtio_: no idea - sorry
10:39 kivilahtio_ jcamins had an idea
10:39 kivilahtio_ I hope he will be around today :)
10:41 magnuse cait: text strings in .js files are not translated?
10:41 magnuse they have to be in separate .inc/.tt files to be translated?
10:42 cait magnuse: correct
10:42 magnuse cait: ok, thanks
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11:48 drojf hi #koha
11:49 cait hi drojf
11:49 drojf hi cait :)
11:56 drojf is there a roadmap for 3.16 somewhere? i can't find it on the wiki
11:59 nlegrand hey #koha!
12:08 nlegrand naive question: I just made some profiling with http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf/ with Bulac Koha, it's rather usefull to see what is taking time. I'm about to document it inside Bulac documentation site, but maybe it's worth an entry in the Koha Wiki?
12:12 petter nlegrand: I've also been profiling with NYTprof lately (fantastic tool btw!)
12:12 petter I'd love to see more activity on this
12:12 petter It's very interesting to see where most time is spent
12:13 petter For example, I thought database-calls where the most expensive, but it turns out in usually takes more time to parse XML and generate marc objects
12:13 petter So, please share your finds!
12:16 nlegrand ok !
12:20 jcamins kivilahtio_: I don't have any idea how to fix your problem, sorry. I was just telling you that I have a multi-homed server.
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12:30 ashimema deffo share your finds nlegrand.. profiling is really suefull to us all
12:32 kivilahtio_ jcamins: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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12:35 cait French speaker around? gaetan_B?
12:36 tcohen morning #koha
12:37 cait Joubu: ? :)
12:37 cait matts:  :)
12:37 cait do you have a second?
12:38 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=20432 < if you look for 'published by' you see it has not been translated
12:38 cait i could add the translation , but not sure what it shoudl be
12:39 cait same for the Page 1/1, Page 1/2 it prints
12:40 matts hey cait, no problem
12:41 matts published by => publié par
12:41 cait cool
12:41 cait and Page?
12:41 wahanui Page is too big?
12:42 matts Page is page :)
12:43 cait oh!
12:43 cait ok :)
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13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 francharb Hi #koha oleonard
13:30 cait thx matts :) matts++
13:30 matts thx cait for pointing that out and fixing it :)
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13:37 oleonard khall around?
13:37 khall yo
13:38 oleonard I think the permissions for course reserves are a little wonky and I wanted to run it by you
13:38 oleonard I think it should be possible for a staff member to view course reserves in the staff client even if they don't have edit/delete/manage permissions
13:38 oleonard Does that sound right?
13:39 khall hmm, let me take a look
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13:44 khall oleonard: I cannot view course reserves if I have no permissions. Do you think librarians should be able to view courses even if they modify them?
13:45 oleonard Patrons can view course reserves in the OPAC. Why shouldn't librarians be able to view them in the staff client?
13:45 khall oleonard: that was my thought exactly
13:46 khall is there a bug filed for this already?
13:46 oleonard No
13:50 khall oleonard: I'm working on a patch right now
13:50 oleonard Great, thanks!
13:50 khall np!
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13:57 khall oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11866
13:57 huginn` Bug 11866: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Staff side course reserves too restrictive
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14:18 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -10.6°C (8:18 AM CST on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
14:20 oleonard khall++
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14:23 magnuse hm, trying to figure out what happens when i click on the tabs below the checkin/checkout/patronsearch etc box
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14:24 magnuse i thught it was jquery onclick, but it doesn't seem to be
14:24 magnuse anyone got a clue? oleonard?
14:24 oleonard What do you mean magnuse? What are you trying to do?
14:24 magnuse not sure my phrasing of the question is good...
14:25 magnuse when i click on the "check in" tab, i want to be taken to the check in page
14:25 magnuse not give focus to the check in field
14:25 khall I believe it uses jquery ui tabs, right?
14:25 oleonard That's right khall
14:26 magnuse how is my clicking on the "check in" tab bound to the "show the check in box" action?
14:26 oleonard Somewhere in the jQueryUI library JS
14:26 magnuse s/box/field/
14:27 magnuse but what triggers the binding?
14:28 magnuse ah
14:28 magnuse <a href="#checkin_search">Check in</a>
14:28 magnuse href="#checkin_search" is interpreted as "give focus to the "#checkin_search" div
14:29 magnuse i thnk i got it, thanks oleonard khall
14:29 khall np!
14:34 oleonard Wanting to charge your patrons for their own overdue notices is a great #123 example.
14:34 oleonard @quote get 123
14:34 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:34 huginn` oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:39 magnuse hm, what's a good name for the things yu click on to show different tabs? are the things yu click on called tabs? or do they have a separate name?
14:40 oleonard I would call them tabs, although the ones for check out/check in are not styled like tabs in their off state.
14:40 magnuse ok
14:41 magnuse so if i were to give an id to the tab tht says "check in", "checkin_tab" would be a good candidate? or are there other suggestions?
14:41 oleonard That seems reasonable to me
14:41 magnuse cool
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15:27 talljoy y ears ack
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15:31 mveron Hi #koha
15:31 mveron The community website seems to be down...
15:31 mveron http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…]oha-community.org
15:33 cait hm seems to happen more often at this time of thed ay
15:33 cait is that possible?
15:33 cait but really early morning in nz?
15:34 cait mveron: could I interest you in testing a few patches? :)
15:34 mveron cait: Why not?   :-)
15:34 cait 11828
15:34 cait bug 11828
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15:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add German PDF template for orders in acquisitions
15:35 cait once you have a few orders to work with it's quite fast to test
15:35 cait you can print the same pdf group all the time
15:35 mveron Ok, I'll have a look...
15:36 cait it's a dependency tree
15:36 cait but this is the one to start testing with :)
15:40 cait mveron: thx - no hurry
15:40 cait mveron: just not so many german testers availalbe :)
15:41 cait is it only me or does low bug numbers with patches make you extra happy? :)
15:41 cait oleonard: the z39.50 was oold :) bug 1047
15:41 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:41 oleonard I know, and the fix was so simple
15:42 cait it's good it's gone, that's the most important
15:42 cait we should do some looking at old bugs sometime
15:42 cait maybe some more are easy now
15:42 cait TT made a lot of things easier
15:46 tcohen @later tell eythian I took 7234 after a discussion about that in the koha-es list, using debconf dialogs might belong to a new bug i guess
15:46 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:49 oleonard Oldest open bug: Bug 444
15:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do)
15:49 oleonard Oldest open non-enhancement: Bug 766
15:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template
15:51 cait hm 766 could fall that TT category
15:51 cait i had take a quick look, but was not sure how to start a while ago
15:53 oleonard When I saw the patch for Bug 1047 I thought 1047 was a typo the number was so small
15:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:56 cait :)
15:57 mveron cait: 11828 looks fine, will sign it off later in the evening
15:57 tcohen jcamins: would you agree on the defaults for bug 7234?
15:57 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
15:58 drojf is there a reason why the koha-remove command doesn't delete the zebra register files?
16:00 drojf oh there is a bug for it ^^
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16:09 cait mveron: thx!
16:09 cait mveron: i have more ideas for improvement, but trying a step by step approach
16:10 cait mveron: there are also bugs linked adding the account number/Kundennummer and edition and publication year
16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb12d75c6893ca0bd> / Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]41ce79bb37873662d> / Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha ne
16:20 oleonard Having trouble with git fetch again. "read error: Invalid argument"
16:20 oleonard gmcharlt: Do you know what that means?
16:21 gmcharlt hmm - paste your .git/confg, please?
16:24 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git config (minus other remotes, branches, etc)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144
16:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d59b3c04f061a858b>
16:37 gmcharlt oleonard: to rule out the possiblity that you were colliding with me pushing to master, could yuo try a fetch now?
16:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #366 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:39 oleonard It's working now, thanks
16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1647 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:03 * cait cheers gmcharlt on :)
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17:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha
17:10 tcohen hi mtompset
17:10 mtompset Greetings, tcohen!
17:10 tcohen i've just updated the ubuntu packages wiki
17:11 mtompset oh? how so?
17:11 tcohen would u take a look at the "initial configuration" section?
17:12 tcohen there where some variables missing
17:12 tcohen and I also put an real life example
17:12 tcohen so people knows what are those variables for
17:12 mtompset I don't like putting in a real life example, because people will try to use it to get Koha running.
17:12 mtompset I do like the extra text you added.
17:13 tcohen well, myDNS.com was an unexplained real-life example too :-P
17:14 mtompset I would leave the blue boxes with "bad" examples that generate a working example if they don't think.
17:14 mtompset But add further explanation around it for those who actually read.
17:14 mtompset (which we know people don't do)
17:15 mtompset Not to mention the comment does say "# Change this to be your domain." ;)
17:15 tcohen we need to explain how the URL is built (hence the example desired configuration)
17:16 tcohen OTH I don't care which the example is
17:17 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. But we shouldn't break the "just cut and paste the blue boxes to get something working" philosophy. ;)
17:17 tcohen i've just attached a patch for 7234, so they'd find a file with different sample configuration
17:18 tcohen and notice they need to read :-P
17:19 tcohen mtompset: just made it more generic
17:22 mtompset Could we set the memcache stuff to 'no', and leave them as comments with a statement about setting to yes and using these?
17:25 mtompset Also, did you notice Appendix A?
17:34 cait bye all
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17:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #366: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/366/
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 tcohen mtompset: tl;dr, just leave a simple understandable way of setting it
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:52 gaetan_B bye!
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18:00 mtompset tcohen: Okay... revised some more. Comments?
18:01 tcohen i'd prefer USE_MEMCACHED="no" instead of commenting it
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18:06 * cait waves
18:07 tcohen hi cait
18:07 cait hi tcohen :)
18:13 mtompset So, all three uncommented, tcohen?
18:14 mtompset Ah, okay... that's fine with me.
18:23 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
18:23 cait hi mtompset
18:26 mtompset How goes the kitten rescuing? :)
18:29 tcohen yes, fixed them already and also adjusted the appendix to match the new options too
18:29 tcohen mtompset: have you looked at the bug i mentioned about this very same problem?
18:30 mtompset 7234?
18:31 mtompset what bug is that, tcohen?
18:31 tcohen 7234
18:31 tcohen (i.e. packages don't provide a sample koha-sites.conf file, it was filled by jcamins a long time ago)
18:32 mtompset I just commented on it.
18:32 tcohen oh :-D
18:32 mtompset I was hoping that eythian had gotten around to his idea.
18:32 tcohen i think that belongs to another bug actually
18:32 mtompset That is: debconf questions to populate the initial koha-sites.conf
18:32 gmcharlt 443 strikes me as an even better default port ;)
18:33 gmcharlt (admittedly, that opens up the inconvenience of dealing with certs, eiither paid or self-signed, so please consider this comment purely a digression)
18:34 mtompset gmcharlt: Yes, I agree. However, dealing with certs is beyond Koha's line of responsibility.
18:35 gmcharlt that's too strong of a statement, IMO - having the installer go so far as to generate certs is a no-go, but having it nudge people in directions that make for a more secure installation is not beyond the realm of discussion
18:37 cait +1
18:40 tcohen generating them during instance creation should be straightforward
18:40 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. The difficulty becomes not causing the former while attempting the latter, and doing it in a way that doesn't create an insurmountable installation for testing purposes barrier.
18:40 gmcharlt actually, yeah, it would be straightforward enough; one could always stuff them under /etc/koha/sites/FOO/ssl
18:41 wajasu was i correct about 11573. any comments.  maybe we should yank logic in perl code that builds the viewable description into  accountlines up into the template if the context is all there. [% IF accounttype = 'Rent'  ...  format accordingly.
18:41 gmcharlt the problem is that 99% of the time you'll want a non-self-signed cert
18:42 gmcharlt wajasu: in general, +1 to moving purely presentation logic to the templates
18:46 mtompset Yes, to the non-self-signed cert. And to those who want that, they'll likely have the technical skill to tweak the Apache configuration accordingly.
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19:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1647: SUCCESS in 2 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1647/
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
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19:17 tcohen gmcharlt: would you agree on the defaults I chose for bug 7234?
19:17 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
19:19 oleonard Is it possible to temporarily remove a branch from consideration for the holds queue?
19:19 * cait thinks
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19:20 cait you could change the holds settings?
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19:20 cait for the itemtypes... or the branch transfer configuration?
19:24 cait i think there is no gereal switch
19:29 * pianohacker is hungry for some gereal now
19:30 reiveune bye
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19:38 oleonard Here's a fun bug: Place a hold on a title. Delete all the items from that title. Assuming you don't know who placed the hold, how do you remove it?
19:38 oleonard If you click the holds tab for the title you get a message which says "Cannot place hold: this record has no items attached."
19:38 oleonard ...but no list of existing holds.
19:39 cait hm
19:39 cait not sure if the bug is at the end
19:39 cait i think you should not be able to delete the items in the first place
19:40 mtompset gereal, pianohacker?
19:49 cait mveron++ thx
19:49 mveron cait: Welcome :-)
19:50 cait did you see bug 7267? ;)
19:50 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Display accountnumber in PDF
19:50 * cait is mean :)
19:51 mveron http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/?query=mean
19:51 mveron :-)
19:52 cait that's a long list
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20:07 Brooke o/
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20:21 oleonard What's up Brooke?
20:27 wizzyrea oleonard: pretty certain there is no situation in which you should be able to delete all items if there are reserves on a title.
20:27 wizzyrea at the very least, librarians should be told that there are reserves, and do you want to also delete the reserves when you delete all items
20:28 gmcharlt if all of the items get damaged, you may have to delete them regardless
20:28 gmcharlt but yeah, the librarian should be given the option to cancel teh requests
20:28 gmcharlt (or not cancel them, if they know that they'll shortly be ordering replacements)
20:29 wizzyrea if you choose "no, I don't want to delete all reserves" the items aren't removed. In that case, either the library should order a replacement and make an on-order item
20:29 wizzyrea no, that's what they should do. They should order a replacement or they should delete the reserves.
20:30 wizzyrea ideally, the borrower who placed the reserve should get an email "this reserve was removed because <item was damaged>" or "Something happened at the library, contact them for your options"
20:30 wizzyrea but that's ideal
20:30 oleonard My librarians were just asking for an automated way of sending a message to the patron: "Your hold was cancelled because you didn't pick it up"
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20:37 wajasu when i was testing some fines code, I noticed some code updated an existing accountline accounttype from FU to F.  maybe when making apayment or writeoff,  is that a known hack? don't know why it would need to be changed, unless its an accrual hack.
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21:06 oleonard Bye #koha
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21:11 rangi pianohacker: http://brackets.io/  <-- might be useful for your future :)
21:11 pianohacker rangi: ooh good point. Will definitely recommend to anyone not using Vim
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21:36 eythian hi
21:37 cait morning eythian
21:53 mveron Oh it's late. Good night #koha
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22:34 francharb bye all
22:37 talljoy ck
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22:40 IsaacB Could someone check if bug 11612 should be assigned to product koha-security? It appears to be, albeit a minor one, a security concern
22:40 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 404 error page for Intranet may leak information
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22:43 wizzyrea doesn't seem like it's the sort of thing that needs ultimate secrecy to me.
22:43 IsaacB that's what I figured
22:45 dcook Nice catch though.
22:48 eythian hmm, it is a borderline one, but probably minor enough that it can go through the regular process.
22:49 cait good night all
22:49 dcook night cait
22:49 dcook See you in the morning ;)
22:49 cait :)
22:49 cait travelling tomorrow :)
22:49 dcook :o
22:49 dcook Well, have a good trip!
22:49 dcook And a good sleep
22:49 dcook And a good weekend!
22:50 cait thx
22:50 cait you too
22:50 eythian bye cait
22:51 IsaacB It looked like setting needsauthentication=1 on the 404 and other pages would work to prevent the interface from being shown, but it seemed 404.pl doesn't accept login, so the login box it shows is broken.
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