Time  Nick          Message
00:29 bag           cait
00:30 bag           @marc 856
00:30 huginn`       bag: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message)
00:30 bag           @more
00:30 huginn`       bag: [a,b,c,d,f,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,2,3,6,8]
00:31 bag           @marc 856 u
00:31 huginn`       bag: Uniform Resource Identifier The URI, which provides standard syntax for locating an object using existing Internet protocols. Field 856 is structured to allow for the creation of a URL from the concatenation of other separate 856 subfields. Subfield $u may be used instead of those separate subfields or in addition to them.Subfield $u may be repeated only if both a URN or a URL or more than one URN are (1 more message)
00:31 bag           @
00:31 bag           @more
00:31 huginn`       bag: recorded. (Repeatable)
01:12 mtompset      856$u rocks. :)
02:26 mtompset      Well, logbot. we've been split. :)
02:26 mtompset      dcook: You there?
02:56 dcook         ...
02:56 dcook         It's so lonely out here!
06:26 saa           i have a 3.2 sql backup can some one tell me hw easily and safely i can get it in 3.14
06:37 wajasu        pwd
06:37 wajasu        ls
06:37 wajasu        you are on the right track
06:38 wajasu        you might scour the release notes or wiki to see how things progressed across versions.
07:06 mtj           saa, create a test 3.14 koha - then load your 3.2 db into it
07:07 saa           will it directly take
07:07 mtj           hit the admin url, and it will prompt you for 3.2 -> 3.14 upgrade
07:07 mtj           yes
07:07 saa           oh let me try immediately
07:08 saa           i spent unnecessarily time on going from 3.2 to 3.4, 3.6 etc.
07:08 mtj           every time koha generates a page it checks the db version number...
07:08 mtj           …if the version number is old, koha redirects to the upgrade page
07:09 mtj           yep, a biggg waste of time  ^^ :)
07:10 mtj           you can upgrade a koha 3.0 db to latest koha, all in one go  :)
07:10 saa           oh tx for this
07:10 mtj           no probs… :)
07:10 saa           i can install 3.14 and i dont need to run webinstall right
07:11 saa           i can just run mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha3.2backup.sql
07:11 mtj           you do need to run web-install
07:13 mtj           and then the 'sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha'  script, too
07:13 mtj           $ sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha
07:14 mtj           $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  your_koha
07:14 mtj           .
07:14 mtj           …run those 2 commands after web-install, all done :)
07:40 huginn`       GERMS!!!!
07:40 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:40 cait          good morning #koha
07:40 cait          ho narro!
07:41 cait          (something that is said today in Konstanz by crazily costumed people)
07:48 reiveune      hello
07:59 Joubu         o/
08:06 gaetan_B      hello
08:10 cait          hi Joubu and gaetan_B
08:10 cait          oh and hi reiveune :)
08:10 paxed         <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[(@tag=100 or @tag=700) and @ind1!='z']">
08:10 cait          khall: isn't it really late or realyl early for you?
08:10 paxed         ind1!=z????
08:10 reiveune      salut cait
08:11 paxed         there is no ind1=z in the marc21 format
08:11 cait          paxed: yes, that is used I think when you index headings
08:11 cait          paxed: correct, that's why z is used
08:11 paxed         index headings?
08:11 matts         hi !
08:11 cait          sec
08:12 cait          finding the pref
08:12 cait          IncludeSeeFromInSearches
08:12 wahanui       IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore.
08:12 cait          when using authorities you can make the search also index the see also forms
08:12 cait          so zebra gets them with the record for indexing
08:15 cait          and they will use the z indicator (to my knowledge)
08:17 paxed         ok, just an undocumented(?) Magic Value
08:17 cait          you can always do a git blame
08:17 cait          and find the patch that added it, if you are lookng at the code :)
08:17 paxed         if i'm looking at the xslt and it handles marc, i first look at the marc specs.
08:18 cait          yeah but it can help when you stumble on something you don't find there
08:18 cait          which xslt are you looking at?
08:18 paxed         MARC21slim2intranetResults.xsl
08:18 * magnuse     waves
08:18 cait          bug 7417
08:18 wahanui       bug 7417 is a good one too
08:18 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
08:19 magnuse       @wunder marseille
08:19 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 5.4°C (9:18 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
08:19 magnuse       @wunder oslo, norway
08:19 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 1.9°C (9:05 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:19 cait          good morning magnuse
08:19 magnuse       kia ora cait
08:25 saa           i tried importing koha 3.2 to 3.14 first blank installation of 3.14 with web install run
08:25 saa           then copied 3.2 sql file through terminal
08:26 saa           but when i opened webpage it did nt ask for any upgrade page
08:26 cait          did your sql file copy correctly?
08:26 cait          check the version it shows in the systempreferences
08:26 saa           ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 2586: Can't create table 'koha_library.letter' (errno: 150)
08:26 saa           it threw above error
08:26 cait          yeah
08:26 saa           but came out
08:26 cait          try emptying out the database
08:27 cait          before you import yours
08:27 cait          not run the web installer
08:27 saa           can u tell me command to empty database
08:28 cait          you log into mysql for that
08:28 saa           already logged in
08:28 cait          make sure you drop the right database! drop database xxxx; create database xxxx;
08:28 cait          then reload your dump
08:28 saa           my old dump has database name koha and passwd library
08:28 saa           new database will be koha_library
08:29 saa           is that ok
08:29 cait          check the sql file you loaded - sometimes the database name is in the dump
08:29 cait          and then bad things can happen
08:29 cait          if it's in the sql file (somewhere at the beginning) change it to your new database name
08:30 cait          should be use database;
08:30 saa           sorry
08:30 saa           can u tell me hw i can change that in sql file of old dump
08:31 cait          open it in an editor or use vi
08:31 saa           i opened
08:31 cait          it's not different to a text filer really
08:31 cait          look for a line starting with use
08:32 cait          if there is use koha; you want to change it to use koha_library - but it might not be necessary
08:32 cait          doing the drop and create and then reloading might just wor without any additional changes
08:32 saa           it is not there use koha
08:32 cait          good :)
08:33 cait          did you do the drop and create commands?
08:33 saa           ok let me try
08:34 saa           i ran mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha-dapoli-3.2-backup.sql this command and it did nt throw any error
08:35 saa           shall i now just run webinstall
08:35 saa           or index first
08:35 cait          i'd runt he web installer first
08:35 cait          it should update now your database, instead of offering sample files etc.
08:36 saa           right it says updating from 3.01 to 3.14.04
08:37 cait          not bad so far then :)
08:38 magnuse       paul_p: could/shuld bug 5439 just be closed?
08:38 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 3M RFID sensitization
08:38 saa           [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4003.     [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4004.
08:38 saa           only threw abv two errors
08:39 saa           shall i rebuild zebra manually
08:39 saa           and then check
08:43 cait          the errors should be ok
08:43 paul_p        magnuse done, bug 5439 closed. I think there's another bug for this
08:43 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, 3M RFID sensitization
08:44 magnuse       there is bug 2244
08:44 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2244 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , RFID Cataloguing and Circulation
08:44 magnuse       which has some ~5 years old code from slef
08:45 cait          paul_p: not sure 3M was submitted somewhere - I remember talking to hdl about it ages ago
08:45 cait          paul_p: I think he pointed me to your repository back then
08:46 saa           yes worked fine
08:46 saa           only thing koha opac page shows old UI
08:46 cait          paul_p: which remembers me - do uyou have libraries using mifare cards?
08:46 saa           why it could be
08:46 paul_p        cait = I don't think so. AixMarseille university uses contact-less cards, dunno if it's mifare.
08:46 cait          saa: if you use trnaslations, you need to recreate the templates
08:46 paul_p        cait = we made a specific branch for them.
08:47 cait          saa: also coming from an old version you need to run an additional script
08:47 * paul_p      dig git
08:47 cait          paul_p: maybe it's similar to what we have here - maybe ask you again in marseille ;)
08:47 saa           if u tell me those
08:47 cait          magnuse: can you help me out with the remove... script saa needs to run?
08:47 saa           my job is over
08:48 saa           thx cait for all help
08:48 cait          saa: the way items are stored changed between 3.2 and 3.12 - lots of things changed :)
08:49 cait          saa: how did oyu install koha?
08:49 saa           i installed 3.14 through packages
08:49 cait          if you are using packages there shoudl be a koha-translate command for updating the templates
08:49 saa           and dumped 3.2 database
08:49 paul_p        cait = can't find what I was looking for (and must leave for a meeting. don't hesitate to ask alex during the hackfest. We made a branch just for aix-marseille, that we maintain
08:49 cait          paul_p: i will make a note :) already have quite a list!
08:50 paul_p        cait do you want me to ask our govt to declare that, from 10th to 14th, days will last 48 hours ?
08:50 paul_p        :D
08:50 saa           what should i use just koha_translate
08:50 magnuse       paul_p: excellent idea!
08:50 saa           install or update
08:50 cait          look at the help for the script
08:50 cait          paul_p: it would help yes :)
08:51 magnuse       saa: there is a script you need to run
08:51 paul_p        OK, will try. You should ask angela for the same. Maybe EU will accept !
08:51 paul_p        :D :D
08:51 saa           can u pl  tell me what i need to run
08:51 cait          heh
08:52 cait          saa: have to leave for a bit, maybe someone else can help you with updating translations and correcting item data - i think that's the steps you need to do now
08:52 magnuse       saa: "sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 <instancename>" - but i have never run it after such a "long" upgrade...
08:53 magnuse       also for the translations: "sudo koha-translate -u <yourlanguagecode>"
08:54 saa           koha-translate -u en
08:54 saa           Error: the default language (en) cannot be updated.
08:55 magnuse       yeah, no use updating en, tht's the default
08:55 magnuse       you have no other languages installed?
08:55 saa           no
08:56 magnuse       ok
08:56 magnuse       forget about koha-translate, then ;-)
08:56 magnuse       dud you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4
08:56 magnuse       ?
08:56 saa           ok that means i can only see old koha opac internace
08:56 saa           i am running
08:56 magnuse       you have to change the syspref
08:57 saa           will that help
08:57 saa           what in syspref
08:57 magnuse       the syspref is called " opacthemes "
08:57 cait          some french around? :)
08:57 magnuse       set that to bootstrap
08:57 cait          i need the french term for account number in the vendor :)
08:58 cait          ah never mind
08:58 Joubu         cait: numéro de compte ?
08:58 cait          Joubu: i am working on some enh for the layout2pages
08:58 magnuse       le numeriqe accountique de la vendorique
08:58 cait          but the french one is layout3pages
08:58 cait          magnuse: you invented that
08:59 magnuse       naaaah...
08:59 Joubu         magnuse: :)
08:59 cait          Joubu: bug 7267
08:59 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Display accountnumber in PDF
08:59 cait          woudl you be interested in showing the accountnumber on the french template?
08:59 Joubu         cait: yes, certainly
09:00 cait          I will just add in a separate patch and you can take a look
09:01 Joubu         cait: yep
09:11 marcelr       hi #koha
09:11 cait          hi marcel
09:11 marcelr       :)
09:12 cait          :)
09:21 magnuse       adding a new feature that should be off by default and needs one setting (a url for a service). which is best: to have a dedicated syspref to turn the feature on and off + one syspref for te setting OR to have empty setting = feature off, non-empty setting = feature on?
09:21 cait          what kind of feature?
09:21 magnuse       rfid :-)
09:21 cait          hm
09:21 magnuse       there might be more settings needed later
09:21 cait          i think smsdriver only has the url to activate
09:22 cait          leave empty otherwise
09:22 cait          i think if more setting, a central switch is good
09:22 magnuse       i favour the two syspref version
09:22 cait          if only one setting, one pref shoudl work
09:22 magnuse       then you can turn it off and on without needing to re-enter the setting to turn it on
09:22 cait          :)
09:23 Joubu         magnuse: are you a syspref addict? :)
09:33 cait          patches attached
09:33 cait          hope i didn't mess up :)
09:53 cait          hi petter
09:53 petter        hi cait!
09:57 cait          :)
10:05 cait          Joubu: do you knwo in which field the edition is stored for UNIMARC?
10:07 cait          field = biblio or biblioitems field
10:07 cait          column
10:14 Joubu         cait: no, gaetan_B maybe?
10:15 gaetan_B      cait: the edition as in "énd editioné ?
10:15 gaetan_B      err
10:15 gaetan_B      "2nd edition"
10:15 cait          i think i found it
10:15 cait          205 $a
10:15 cait          and it's not mapped
10:15 cait          but we have biblioitems.editionstatement - i think it could go there for marc21 and unimarc ?
10:16 gaetan_B      indeed
10:22 marcelr       Joubu: what did you mean with [The transaction does not work, we use 2 handlers on the same DB] in connection with bug 8007 ?
10:23 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management
10:31 Joubu         marcelr: there are 2 handlers on the same DB: 1 handler created in C4::Context and 1 in Koha::Database
10:31 marcelr       yes, and what was the exact problem
10:32 Joubu         using a transaction, the 2nd handler is waiting the connexion and don't manage to execute the query
10:32 marcelr       ok isee thanks
10:32 Joubu         marcelr: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=24025
10:32 Joubu         there is a FIXME and the end
10:33 marcelr       this needs some general attention
10:33 marcelr       soon
10:33 Joubu         s/and/at
10:33 Joubu         marcelr: yes, it is quite important.
10:37 cait          gaetan_B: 205$a was right?
10:37 kivilahtio_   Could anyone help me with linux routing tables?
10:37 gaetan_B      cait: yes ! absolutely !
10:37 cait          thx :)
10:38 cait          now what do you think about bug 11859?
10:38 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions
10:38 cait          gaetan_B: should i add it to the French PDF template as well?
10:38 cait          i was not sure why it as left out in the first place
10:38 gaetan_B      it sounds like a very good idea yes
10:39 kivilahtio_   I need to send packets from a virtual container via a specific eth4 (not the default gateway). Containers are connected by a bridge and their outbound packets are routed via an extra routing table specifying the eth4 as a default gateway, then they are NATed. I get packets out via the correct path but not the replies :(
10:39 cait          gaetan_B: ok :)
10:39 cait          kivilahtio_: no idea - sorry
10:39 kivilahtio_   jcamins had an idea
10:39 kivilahtio_   I hope he will be around today :)
10:41 magnuse       cait: text strings in .js files are not translated?
10:41 magnuse       they have to be in separate .inc/.tt files to be translated?
10:42 cait          magnuse: correct
10:42 magnuse       cait: ok, thanks
11:48 drojf         hi #koha
11:49 cait          hi drojf
11:49 drojf         hi cait :)
11:56 drojf         is there a roadmap for 3.16 somewhere? i can't find it on the wiki
11:59 nlegrand      hey #koha!
12:08 nlegrand      naive question: I just made some profiling with http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf/ with Bulac Koha, it's rather usefull to see what is taking time. I'm about to document it inside Bulac documentation site, but maybe it's worth an entry in the Koha Wiki?
12:12 petter        nlegrand: I've also been profiling with NYTprof lately (fantastic tool btw!)
12:12 petter        I'd love to see more activity on this
12:12 petter        It's very interesting to see where most time is spent
12:13 petter        For example, I thought database-calls where the most expensive, but it turns out in usually takes more time to parse XML and generate marc objects
12:13 petter        So, please share your finds!
12:16 nlegrand      ok !
12:20 jcamins       kivilahtio_: I don't have any idea how to fix your problem, sorry. I was just telling you that I have a multi-homed server.
12:30 ashimema      deffo share your finds nlegrand.. profiling is really suefull to us all
12:32 kivilahtio_   jcamins: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
12:35 cait          French speaker around? gaetan_B?
12:36 tcohen        morning #koha
12:37 cait          Joubu: ? :)
12:37 cait          matts:  :)
12:37 cait          do you have a second?
12:38 cait          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=20432 < if you look for 'published by' you see it has not been translated
12:38 cait          i could add the translation , but not sure what it shoudl be
12:39 cait          same for the Page 1/1, Page 1/2 it prints
12:40 matts         hey cait, no problem
12:41 matts         published by => publié par
12:41 cait          cool
12:41 cait          and Page?
12:41 wahanui       Page is too big?
12:42 matts         Page is page :)
12:43 cait          oh!
12:43 cait          ok :)
13:17 oleonard      Hi #koha
13:18 francharb     Hi #koha oleonard
13:30 cait          thx matts :) matts++
13:30 matts         thx cait for pointing that out and fixing it :)
13:37 oleonard      khall around?
13:37 khall         yo
13:38 oleonard      I think the permissions for course reserves are a little wonky and I wanted to run it by you
13:38 oleonard      I think it should be possible for a staff member to view course reserves in the staff client even if they don't have edit/delete/manage permissions
13:38 oleonard      Does that sound right?
13:39 khall         hmm, let me take a look
13:44 khall         oleonard: I cannot view course reserves if I have no permissions. Do you think librarians should be able to view courses even if they modify them?
13:45 oleonard      Patrons can view course reserves in the OPAC. Why shouldn't librarians be able to view them in the staff client?
13:45 khall         oleonard: that was my thought exactly
13:46 khall         is there a bug filed for this already?
13:46 oleonard      No
13:50 khall         oleonard: I'm working on a patch right now
13:50 oleonard      Great, thanks!
13:50 khall         np!
13:57 khall         oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11866
13:57 huginn`       04Bug 11866: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Staff side course reserves too restrictive
14:18 rhcl          @wunder 64507
14:18 huginn`       rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -10.6°C (8:18 AM CST on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
14:20 oleonard      khall++
14:23 magnuse       hm, trying to figure out what happens when i click on the tabs below the checkin/checkout/patronsearch etc box
14:24 magnuse       i thught it was jquery onclick, but it doesn't seem to be
14:24 magnuse       anyone got a clue? oleonard?
14:24 oleonard      What do you mean magnuse? What are you trying to do?
14:24 magnuse       not sure my phrasing of the question is good...
14:25 magnuse       when i click on the "check in" tab, i want to be taken to the check in page
14:25 magnuse       not give focus to the check in field
14:25 khall         I believe it uses jquery ui tabs, right?
14:25 oleonard      That's right khall
14:26 magnuse       how is my clicking on the "check in" tab bound to the "show the check in box" action?
14:26 oleonard      Somewhere in the jQueryUI library JS
14:26 magnuse       s/box/field/
14:27 magnuse       but what triggers the binding?
14:28 magnuse       ah
14:28 magnuse       <a href="#checkin_search">Check in</a>
14:28 magnuse       href="#checkin_search" is interpreted as "give focus to the "#checkin_search" div
14:29 magnuse       i thnk i got it, thanks oleonard khall
14:29 khall         np!
14:34 oleonard      Wanting to charge your patrons for their own overdue notices is a great #123 example.
14:34 oleonard      @quote get 123
14:34 wahanui       http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:34 huginn`       oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:39 magnuse       hm, what's a good name for the things yu click on to show different tabs? are the things yu click on called tabs? or do they have a separate name?
14:40 oleonard      I would call them tabs, although the ones for check out/check in are not styled like tabs in their off state.
14:40 magnuse       ok
14:41 magnuse       so if i were to give an id to the tab tht says "check in", "checkin_tab" would be a good candidate? or are there other suggestions?
14:41 oleonard      That seems reasonable to me
14:41 magnuse       cool
15:27 talljoy       y ears ack
15:31 mveron        Hi #koha
15:31 mveron        The community website seems to be down...
15:31 mveron        http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koha-community.org
15:33 cait          hm seems to happen more often at this time of thed ay
15:33 cait          is that possible?
15:33 cait          but really early morning in nz?
15:34 cait          mveron: could I interest you in testing a few patches? :)
15:34 mveron        cait: Why not?   :-)
15:34 cait          11828
15:34 cait          bug 11828
15:34 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add German PDF template for orders in acquisitions
15:35 cait          once you have a few orders to work with it's quite fast to test
15:35 cait          you can print the same pdf group all the time
15:35 mveron        Ok, I'll have a look...
15:36 cait          it's a dependency tree
15:36 cait          but this is the one to start testing with :)
15:40 cait          mveron: thx - no hurry
15:40 cait          mveron: just not so many german testers availalbe :)
15:41 cait          is it only me or does low bug numbers with patches make you extra happy? :)
15:41 cait          oleonard: the z39.50 was oold :) bug 1047
15:41 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:41 oleonard      I know, and the fix was so simple
15:42 cait          it's good it's gone, that's the most important
15:42 cait          we should do some looking at old bugs sometime
15:42 cait          maybe some more are easy now
15:42 cait          TT made a lot of things easier
15:46 tcohen        @later tell eythian I took 7234 after a discussion about that in the koha-es list, using debconf dialogs might belong to a new bug i guess
15:46 huginn`       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:49 oleonard      Oldest open bug: Bug 444
15:49 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do)
15:49 oleonard      Oldest open non-enhancement: Bug 766
15:49 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template
15:51 cait          hm 766 could fall that TT category
15:51 cait          i had take a quick look, but was not sure how to start a while ago
15:53 oleonard      When I saw the patch for Bug 1047 I thought 1047 was a typo the number was so small
15:53 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:56 cait          :)
15:57 mveron        cait: 11828 looks fine, will sign it off later in the evening
15:57 tcohen        jcamins: would you agree on the defaults for bug 7234?
15:57 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
15:58 drojf         is there a reason why the koha-remove command doesn't delete the zebra register files?
16:00 drojf         oh there is a bug for it ^^
16:09 cait          mveron: thx!
16:09 cait          mveron: i have more ideas for improvement, but trying a step by step approach
16:10 cait          mveron: there are also bugs linked adding the account number/Kundennummer and edition and publication year
16:10 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63d7386ed00f73be837a57aeb12d75c6893ca0bd> / Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd089028b8c5e8f2b15ed2d41ce79bb37873662d> / Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha ne
16:20 oleonard      Having trouble with git fetch again. "read error: Invalid argument"
16:20 oleonard      gmcharlt: Do you know what that means?
16:21 gmcharlt      hmm - paste your .git/confg, please?
16:24 pastebot      "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git config (minus other remotes, branches, etc)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144
16:32 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ce0848fe35814f2324a8e3d59b3c04f061a858b>
16:37 gmcharlt      oleonard: to rule out the possiblity that you were colliding with me pushing to master, could yuo try a fetch now?
16:38 jenkins_koha  Starting build #366 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:39 oleonard      It's working now, thanks
16:42 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1647 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:03 * cait        cheers gmcharlt on :)
17:09 mtompset      Greetings, #koha
17:10 tcohen        hi mtompset
17:10 mtompset      Greetings, tcohen!
17:10 tcohen        i've just updated the ubuntu packages wiki
17:11 mtompset      oh? how so?
17:11 tcohen        would u take a look at the "initial configuration" section?
17:12 tcohen        there where some variables missing
17:12 tcohen        and I also put an real life example
17:12 tcohen        so people knows what are those variables for
17:12 mtompset      I don't like putting in a real life example, because people will try to use it to get Koha running.
17:12 mtompset      I do like the extra text you added.
17:13 tcohen        well, myDNS.com was an unexplained real-life example too :-P
17:14 mtompset      I would leave the blue boxes with "bad" examples that generate a working example if they don't think.
17:14 mtompset      But add further explanation around it for those who actually read.
17:14 mtompset      (which we know people don't do)
17:15 mtompset      Not to mention the comment does say "# Change this to be your domain." ;)
17:15 tcohen        we need to explain how the URL is built (hence the example desired configuration)
17:16 tcohen        OTH I don't care which the example is
17:17 mtompset      Okay, I agree with that. But we shouldn't break the "just cut and paste the blue boxes to get something working" philosophy. ;)
17:17 tcohen        i've just attached a patch for 7234, so they'd find a file with different sample configuration
17:18 tcohen        and notice they need to read :-P
17:19 tcohen        mtompset: just made it more generic
17:22 mtompset      Could we set the memcache stuff to 'no', and leave them as comments with a statement about setting to yes and using these?
17:25 mtompset      Also, did you notice Appendix A?
17:34 cait          bye all
17:36 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #366: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/366/
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 tcohen        mtompset: tl;dr, just leave a simple understandable way of setting it
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:52 gaetan_B      bye!
18:00 mtompset      tcohen: Okay... revised some more. Comments?
18:01 tcohen        i'd prefer USE_MEMCACHED="no" instead of commenting it
18:06 * cait        waves
18:07 tcohen        hi cait
18:07 cait          hi tcohen :)
18:13 mtompset      So, all three uncommented, tcohen?
18:14 mtompset      Ah, okay... that's fine with me.
18:23 mtompset      Greetings, cait. :)
18:23 cait          hi mtompset
18:26 mtompset      How goes the kitten rescuing? :)
18:29 tcohen        yes, fixed them already and also adjusted the appendix to match the new options too
18:29 tcohen        mtompset: have you looked at the bug i mentioned about this very same problem?
18:30 mtompset      7234?
18:31 mtompset      what bug is that, tcohen?
18:31 tcohen         7234
18:31 tcohen        (i.e. packages don't provide a sample koha-sites.conf file, it was filled by jcamins a long time ago)
18:32 mtompset      I just commented on it.
18:32 tcohen        oh :-D
18:32 mtompset      I was hoping that eythian had gotten around to his idea.
18:32 tcohen        i think that belongs to another bug actually
18:32 mtompset      That is: debconf questions to populate the initial koha-sites.conf
18:32 gmcharlt      443 strikes me as an even better default port ;)
18:33 gmcharlt      (admittedly, that opens up the inconvenience of dealing with certs, eiither paid or self-signed, so please consider this comment purely a digression)
18:34 mtompset      gmcharlt: Yes, I agree. However, dealing with certs is beyond Koha's line of responsibility.
18:35 gmcharlt      that's too strong of a statement, IMO - having the installer go so far as to generate certs is a no-go, but having it nudge people in directions that make for a more secure installation is not beyond the realm of discussion
18:37 cait          +1
18:40 tcohen        generating them during instance creation should be straightforward
18:40 mtompset      Okay, I agree with that. The difficulty becomes not causing the former while attempting the latter, and doing it in a way that doesn't create an insurmountable installation for testing purposes barrier.
18:40 gmcharlt      actually, yeah, it would be straightforward enough; one could always stuff them under /etc/koha/sites/FOO/ssl
18:41 wajasu        was i correct about 11573. any comments.  maybe we should yank logic in perl code that builds the viewable description into  accountlines up into the template if the context is all there. [% IF accounttype = 'Rent'  ...  format accordingly.
18:41 gmcharlt      the problem is that 99% of the time you'll want a non-self-signed cert
18:42 gmcharlt      wajasu: in general, +1 to moving purely presentation logic to the templates
18:46 mtompset      Yes, to the non-self-signed cert. And to those who want that, they'll likely have the technical skill to tweak the Apache configuration accordingly.
19:07 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1647: SUCCESS in 2 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1647/
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
19:17 tcohen        gmcharlt: would you agree on the defaults I chose for bug 7234?
19:17 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
19:19 oleonard      Is it possible to temporarily remove a branch from consideration for the holds queue?
19:19 * cait        thinks
19:20 cait          you could change the holds settings?
19:20 cait          for the itemtypes... or the branch transfer configuration?
19:24 cait          i think there is no gereal switch
19:29 * pianohacker is hungry for some gereal now
19:30 reiveune      bye
19:38 oleonard      Here's a fun bug: Place a hold on a title. Delete all the items from that title. Assuming you don't know who placed the hold, how do you remove it?
19:38 oleonard      If you click the holds tab for the title you get a message which says "Cannot place hold: this record has no items attached."
19:38 oleonard      ...but no list of existing holds.
19:39 cait          hm
19:39 cait          not sure if the bug is at the end
19:39 cait          i think you should not be able to delete the items in the first place
19:40 mtompset      gereal, pianohacker?
19:49 cait          mveron++ thx
19:49 mveron        cait: Welcome :-)
19:50 cait          did you see bug 7267? ;)
19:50 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Display accountnumber in PDF
19:50 * cait        is mean :)
19:51 mveron        http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/?query=mean
19:51 mveron        :-)
19:52 cait          that's a long list
20:07 Brooke        o/
20:21 oleonard      What's up Brooke?
20:27 wizzyrea      oleonard: pretty certain there is no situation in which you should be able to delete all items if there are reserves on a title.
20:27 wizzyrea      at the very least, librarians should be told that there are reserves, and do you want to also delete the reserves when you delete all items
20:28 gmcharlt      if all of the items get damaged, you may have to delete them regardless
20:28 gmcharlt      but yeah, the librarian should be given the option to cancel teh requests
20:28 gmcharlt      (or not cancel them, if they know that they'll shortly be ordering replacements)
20:29 wizzyrea      if you choose "no, I don't want to delete all reserves" the items aren't removed. In that case, either the library should order a replacement and make an on-order item
20:29 wizzyrea      no, that's what they should do. They should order a replacement or they should delete the reserves.
20:30 wizzyrea      ideally, the borrower who placed the reserve should get an email "this reserve was removed because <item was damaged>" or "Something happened at the library, contact them for your options"
20:30 wizzyrea      but that's ideal
20:30 oleonard      My librarians were just asking for an automated way of sending a message to the patron: "Your hold was cancelled because you didn't pick it up"
20:37 wajasu        when i was testing some fines code, I noticed some code updated an existing accountline accounttype from FU to F.  maybe when making apayment or writeoff,  is that a known hack? don't know why it would need to be changed, unless its an accrual hack.
21:06 oleonard      Bye #koha
21:11 rangi         pianohacker: http://brackets.io/  <-- might be useful for your future :)
21:11 pianohacker   rangi: ooh good point. Will definitely recommend to anyone not using Vim
21:36 eythian       hi
21:37 cait          morning eythian
21:53 mveron        Oh it's late. Good night #koha
22:34 francharb     bye all
22:37 talljoy       ck
22:40 IsaacB        Could someone check if bug 11612 should be assigned to product koha-security? It appears to be, albeit a minor one, a security concern
22:40 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 404 error page for Intranet may leak information
22:43 wizzyrea      doesn't seem like it's the sort of thing that needs ultimate secrecy to me.
22:43 IsaacB        that's what I figured
22:45 dcook         Nice catch though.
22:48 eythian       hmm, it is a borderline one, but probably minor enough that it can go through the regular process.
22:49 cait          good night all
22:49 dcook         night cait
22:49 dcook         See you in the morning ;)
22:49 cait          :)
22:49 cait          travelling tomorrow :)
22:49 dcook         :o
22:49 dcook         Well, have a good trip!
22:49 dcook         And a good sleep
22:49 dcook         And a good weekend!
22:50 cait          thx
22:50 cait          you too
22:50 eythian       bye cait
22:51 IsaacB        It looked like setting needsauthentication=1 on the 404 and other pages would work to prevent the interface from being shown, but it seemed 404.pl doesn't accept login, so the login box it shows is broken.