IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-28

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01:03 wizzyrea that depends on your settings, but probably
01:03 wizzyrea lost things don't usually accrue daily fines
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01:03 wizzyrea sometimes marking them lost causes the cost of the item to be charged
01:03 wizzyrea sometimes marking things lost causes the book to come off of the borrower's account
01:03 wizzyrea those two behaviours are controlled by syspref.
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01:17 schnydszch Hello koha community! I can't seem find it, how do I export holdings that includes biblionumber
01:17 schnydszch when I export right now, biblionumber is excluded
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01:20 eythian I'd expect it to be in 999$c and $d
01:21 schnydszch yep
01:22 schnydszch is it in system preference?
01:22 schnydszch i'm trying to find it
01:22 eythian Is what?
01:23 schnydszch I'm in 3.14
01:23 schnydszch trying to find if it's system preference, that it will include 999$c and $d in export
01:24 wizzyrea I suspect you'd have to modify the export function to get this.
01:24 wizzyrea afaik there is no syspref to say "export koha-internal fields"
01:24 rangi works for me
01:25 eythian you don't
01:25 eythian it works already
01:25 eythian 999    _c1
01:25 eythian _d1
01:25 wizzyrea nm then
01:26 schnydszch i'll try again
01:26 rangi i just tested on 3.14.02
01:26 rangi 999    _c100 _d100
01:26 rangi seems to be working
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01:28 schnydszch thanks. it was just an oversight :)
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02:26 mtompset schnydszch: Only certain types of exports include the 999$c and $d.
02:26 mtompset I'm talking about the OPAC 'Save Record' drop down.
02:27 ebegin hey dcook :-)
02:31 mtompset Greetings, ebegin.
02:31 dcook hey, ebegin :)
02:34 ebegin Hi guys
02:35 ebegin just want to say hi ;-)
02:36 ebegin @wunder montreal quebec
02:36 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -16.0°C (9:00 PM EST on January 27, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -24.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
02:36 ebegin see you tomorrow !
02:36 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
02:36 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -16.6°C (9:36 PM EST on January 27, 2014). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -23.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
02:40 dcook Sure thing. See you tomorrow, ebegin :)
02:46 schnydszch @mtompset, yep, i exported as admin. thanks
02:46 huginn schnydszch: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
02:46 schnydszch cheers!
02:47 mtompset schnydszch: I wasn't talking about WHO. I was talking about type: MARCXML, MARC Unicode, MARc-8, BIBTEX, etc.
02:47 schnydszch @huginn just as soon as RDA is ready?
02:47 huginn schnydszch: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
02:47 mtompset You are putting @ in front.
02:47 mtompset This isn't twitter.
02:48 schnydszch mtompset, sorry and thanks. cheers! :)
02:49 mtompset No problem.
02:49 mtompset Glad you got what you needed working. :)
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03:15 dcook pudding?
03:18 mtompset because pudding is nice?
03:18 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
03:18 pudding it's tasty and doesn't have to know stuff.
03:19 mtompset as in "my brain is pudding".
03:19 pudding mmm pudding brain.
03:19 * mtompset gets the shotgun to protect his brain from zombies. :P
03:21 * mtompset frowns, "Just when I was hoping to sign off 2 things. They both have problems."
03:21 mtompset anyone have a bug they'd like signed off that doesn't require secretive librarian knowledge? ;)
03:21 pudding oh probably.
03:22 pudding i have one out to do with fines.
03:23 mtompset secretive librarian knowledge. :P
03:28 dcook hey mtompset
03:28 wahanui mtompset is, like, catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry
03:28 pudding naw, it's about the display of the fine descriptions.
03:28 dcook Yep, I got one, just a moment.
03:28 dcook 11465
03:28 dcook bug 11465
03:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Show counts and amounts on OPAC your summary tabs
03:29 dcook :)
03:29 mtompset you just added 00?!
03:38 eythian wahanui: shut up is <reply>[…]ry_Code=DRINKWARE
03:38 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:39 mtompset Where do you find this stuff, eythian?
03:39 eythian internet
03:39 wahanui somebody said internet was
03:39 * mtompset laughs.
03:39 mtompset I've seen that episode before.
03:43 mtompset So when will wahanui point to that link?
03:43 mtompset shut up, wahanui.
03:43 wahanui[…]ry_Code=DRINKWARE
03:43 mtompset shut up?
03:43 wahanui[…]ry_Code=DRINKWARE
03:44 mtompset oh shut it?
03:44 mtompset There we go. ;)
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04:58 mtompset Hmmm...
04:58 mtompset Why are my checked out items not listed?!
04:59 mtompset Patron -> person who I know has something checked out -> choose the biblio checked out -> items tab -> view checkout history
04:59 mtompset all zeros.
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05:00 brendan_ evening
05:01 mtompset Greetings, brendan_.
05:01 brendan_ heya
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05:44 mtompset Greetings, cait.
05:44 cait morning mtompset
05:45 mtompset @later tell tcohen 10580 -- I was thinking perhaps the fixing the indentation could be a separate commit? ([…]#Refactoring_code)
05:45 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
05:49 mtompset cait: I was wondering about bug 5010
05:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
05:49 cait yes?
05:49 mtompset You actually create a system preference for https vs. http.
05:49 mtompset ... just a second let me find that...
05:49 cait yes
05:50 cait because there i sno way to determine that from the intranet for the OPAC
05:50 mtompset CGI->https() ? "https://" : "http://"
05:50 mtompset doesn't something like that work?
05:50 cait it won't work from the intranet if you try to figure out what to use for the OPAC link
05:51 mtompset DOH! You're right.
05:51 mtompset but it would seem strange to have difference between staff and OPAC.
05:51 cait not really
05:51 mtompset case of no logins in OPAC?
05:51 cait i think it might be that people run staff in https and opac not... although they shouldn't
05:52 cait yeah, then they wouldn't need to run https in OPAC really
05:52 cait this whole url topic is a bit messy
05:52 mtompset yes, yes it is.
05:52 cait i tried to make it work a bit better, not claiming on having the perfect solution
05:52 cait gmcharlt advised on the sys pref as a possible solution
05:52 cait so i did that
05:53 mtompset Okay, the system preference makes good sense now.
05:53 mtompset Not the happiest way of doing it, but a reasonably good one.
05:53 cait there might still be something wrong with the patches... :)
05:53 cait it seemed a little better than hardcoding http
05:53 cait I am hoping maybe dcook makes i ta bit better
05:54 cait sometimes it seems quite too hard to get small things like that right
05:54 mtompset actually, cait....
05:54 mtompset With the access to system preferences from within the Template, there is no need to build them in the .pl
05:55 cait probably true
05:58 dcook Hmm?
05:59 mtompset Don't worry, dcook. You're name was only being taken in vain for horrific reasons. ;)
05:59 dcook Seems like it :p
05:59 mtompset YIKES! Bad grammer and spelting, mesa need to sleep.
05:59 dcook Yeah, it's one of those things that can't really have a perfect solution
06:01 mtompset Yes, but a system preference between staff to OPAC seems like a reasonable thing.
06:02 mtompset I don't see any reason currently for an OPAC link going to staff.
06:04 mtompset So, cait. If I was going to look at trying to sign off 5010, should I attempt the first one, or the last two? And if the last two, perhaps I should obsolete the first one?
06:04 cait if you think the last 2 are better obsolte the first :)
06:04 cait i was proposing an alternate solution
06:05 cait but yeah, I think it's either or
06:08 mtompset oh... wait... your patches require the previous one.
06:09 * mtompset cringes.
06:09 cait hm no they should not
06:09 mtompset
06:09 mtompset the first one adds a block.
06:09 mtompset yours removes that block.
06:10 cait hm not really
06:10 cait if you look at te patches
06:10 cait i only adda lock in sendbasket
06:10 cait might be a conflict
06:11 cait[…]ment.cgi?id=23457
06:11 cait and be aware we have 2 sendbasket
06:13 dcook night for me
06:13 dcook laterz
06:15 mtompset one in intranet and one in opac, right?
06:16 mtompset BTW, you have some whitespace errors in the merging.
06:19 mtompset fresh install: system preference created. :)
06:21 mtompset upgrade: system preference created. :)
06:22 mtompset passes qa tool. :)
06:22 cait would be kind of embarassing if it didn't
06:22 cait but that has happened..
06:29 mtompset got distracted by bug 11623 -- someone complaining that upgrading from 3.0.x to 3.14.x didn't work.
06:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11623 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Errors with upgrade from to
06:30 mtompset so private list or public list, cait, for 5010?
06:30 cait it shouldn't matter
06:30 cait the difference is in sending it from staff or from opac
06:32 mtompset oh joys... "Problem sending the list"
06:32 mtompset I bet my mailing configuration is busted or something.
06:41 mtompset Yep... busted email configuration in this VM...
06:42 mtompset I do find it yucky that sendmail is called directly.
06:42 mtompset I think I best call it a night.
06:43 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
06:49 rangi its not
06:51 rangi[…]pm#sendmail%28%29 is called
06:51 rangi which sends mail, using whatever mta you have listening on port 25 (or even other ports if you want to configure it)
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07:13 cait time to go to work - bbl
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07:40 reiveune hello
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08:24 nlegrand Hey !
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08:26 sophie_m hi #koha
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09:20 Oak kia ora #koha
09:21 Oak Guten morgen cait
09:23 kivilahtio In the bootstrap theme where do I put my feature dependent javascript files?
09:24 kivilahtio is there a general guide for that?
09:25 kivilahtio hmm separate files..
09:27 kivilahtio I am modifyin the for the bootstrap theme regarding bug 11175. I need a small script of javascript to set the height of a container to match the height of a neighbouring container
09:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Failed QA , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views.
09:28 kivilahtio can I just add a componentParts.js file to bootstrap/js/ and include it in the template if systempreference is ok
09:34 kivilahtio was there a super easyway of calling the system preferences directly from the .tt files?
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10:07 kivilahtio If I directly include <script type="javascript" src="..."> a javascript file in the bootstrap ->, I can't access jQuery functions? Everybody else seems to be using .inc files to include .js files?
10:08 kivilahtio thus   $(document).ready(function() {      THROWS   Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined
10:08 kivilahtio my script file is below the jQuery-files in the html source
10:08 kivilahtio not even jQuery(document).ready() is defined
10:20 kivilahtio ok I got it
10:20 kivilahtio the jQuery libraries are loaded in the end of the HTML document
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12:11 kivilahtio Wow, the Koha's built in label creator looks pretty great!
12:11 kivilahtio I was wondering if we could style the labels with css?
12:12 cait i think for the quick editor yes
12:12 cait not sure for the labels
12:13 cait quick spine label pritn = html
12:13 cait the other label print is pdf, so i think css is not possible there
12:14 cait it depends if you want to print batches or single labels
12:14 kivilahtio batches
12:14 kivilahtio we have two different label sizes on one paper
12:14 kivilahtio 2x6 lables + 1x12 spine lables in one A4 sticker paper
12:15 kivilahtio so this is not doable with the Koha's lable creator
12:15 kivilahtio but I think I will make a local modification to solve this issue
12:15 kivilahtio it is a really simple task and I can just add a new custom module to facilitate these label printings
12:16 kivilahtio + Koha has already tons of great code to hack this functionality from :)
12:25 Oak kivilahtio++
12:25 Oak later guys
12:35 cait kivilahtio: hm actually there was functionality for that back in the old module
12:35 cait there is a special lable that is 2 labels
12:35 cait with different sizes, i just can't remember how that works
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12:43 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:43 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -25.0°C (7:43 AM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -33.0°C. Windchill: -25.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). Wind chill warning in effect until 1 PM EST this afternoon...
12:44 oleonard I guess we're lucky there's no wind at the moment.
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12:48 petter hi folks!
12:48 kivilahtio hi petter!
12:48 oleonard Hi petter
12:48 kivilahtio how is life
12:49 kivilahtio how is life?
12:49 petter its good, more or less
12:49 petter maybe more less than more?
12:49 petter hard to say
12:49 kivilahtio nice to hear :)
12:49 petter How was your vacation,  olli?
12:49 kivilahtio awsome!
12:49 petter great
12:49 kivilahtio we rode with Camels in the desert night
12:49 petter wow
12:49 petter where did you go?
12:49 kivilahtio visited Petra, Dead Sea, Masada. Lots of stuff
12:49 kivilahtio Eilat
12:49 kivilahtio Israel
12:49 petter aha, cool
12:49 petter sunny
12:50 kivilahtio 29 deg max, around 25 deg
12:50 petter perfect!
12:50 wahanui rumour has it perfect is the enemy of good
12:50 kivilahtio not a drop of rain
12:50 kivilahtio so yeah ! :)
12:50 kivilahtio + food was good
12:50 kivilahtio and people had assault rifles ;)
12:51 petter yea, they can be a bit tense in that region!
12:52 kivilahtio so very safe
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13:07 oleonard paxed here?
13:07 paxed yes?
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13:07 oleonard What page does Bug 11624 refer to?
13:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Impossible to style MARC display via CSS
13:08 paxed
13:10 oleonard Okay thanks
13:12 paxed also, just noticed that in tab 0 the subfield letter is not bold, but in the other tabs it is in bold.
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14:46 druthb o/
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14:56 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:56 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -15.4°C (8:55 AM CST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
14:56 druthb @wunder 77098
14:56 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 0.0°C (8:56 AM CST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon CST today...
15:11 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
15:11 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -15.1°C (10:11 AM EST on January 28, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -20.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
15:18 oleonard Dear Canada: Please stop sending weather. Thanks.
15:18 * druthb blames mtompset
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15:23 rhcl @wunder pyongyang
15:23 huginn rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:23 rhcl @wunder pyongyang North Korea
15:23 huginn rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:25 rhcl @wunder pyongyang dprk
15:25 huginn rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:26 rhcl @wunder FNJ
15:26 huginn rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:26 rhcl SY
15:31 oleonard @wunder Pyonggang, North Korea
15:31 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Yangyang Airport, North Korea is 3.0°C (12:00 AM KST on January 29, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
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15:37 oleonard[…]723955200/photo/1
15:38 druthb oleonard++
15:38 * mtompset blames the pollution coming up the jet stream from the USA. :P
15:39 mtompset oleonard: I'd like to test that patch, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to trigger a late order.
15:39 mtompset I can get to the late order screen, but without actual data to show, it's pointless.
15:41 mtompset Nice link, oleonard. :)
15:42 oleonard My favorite part of that image is Florida
15:44 mtompset Well, you have to get blaming the president in there somewhere. ;)
15:47 mtompset So, oleonard (or anyone) how do I trigger something that will show up in late orders?
15:50 oleonard mtompset: I share your frustration with trying to figure out how to trigger some of these acquisitions pages. Sometimes it requires tracking down the SQL that generates the page contents
15:50 oleonard I think it has to do with "estimated delivery date?"
15:50 cait oleonard: i can help mst of the time
15:51 cait if i am around
15:51 oleonard cait++
15:51 cait try unsetting the date filter
15:51 cait and add 0 for the days since or something like that
15:52 mtompset still nothing. Perhaps I should attempt placing an order?
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15:52 oleonard mtompset: You would need some existing orders, yes.
15:53 mtompset I went into acquisitions, and did a search for a vendor.
15:53 mtompset I found an entry with a date of 2012-06-21
15:53 mtompset It hasn
15:53 mtompset 't been received.
15:54 mtompset It isn't closed.
15:54 mtompset It isn't in a basket group.
15:55 mtompset I received it today... and... still nothing.
15:56 mtompset This is the silly "secretive library stuff" thing I was saying I didn't want. :P
15:56 oleonard Hunh? Secretive?
15:56 cait yes you need to lcose it
15:56 mtompset if I don't know it, it must be mystically acquired knowledge.
15:56 cait only closed orders count as ordered - else they are still open for adding new order lines
15:58 mtompset closed and still nothing.
15:58 mtompset oh, I closed after received.
15:58 mtompset should I close BEFORE received?
15:58 cait well that won't work
15:58 cait a late order is something you didn't get...
15:59 oleonard mtompset: I hope you're not saying that someone is being secretive about how acquisitions works
15:59 cait you order it, you close the basket.... you adjust the filters on late orders so it matches.
16:00 cait because by default it will not look for a order orderd today.. that would not be really late :) but i think you can make it work with 0 days or something iirc
16:02 mtompset YAY! I got data.
16:03 oleonard Did something change in the way Koha does tests? New dependency? I'm getting errors from running the prove command
16:06 cait which test oleonard? because i had problems too recently
16:06 oleonard prove t xt
16:06 mtompset I usually include -v :)
16:06 oleonard For a more verbose error message?
16:07 mtompset Yes.
16:07 oleonard Cannot detect source of 't'! at /usr/share/perl/5.14/TAP/Parser/ line 263
16:16 cait oleonard: hm looks like a new dependency
16:16 cait maybe?
16:16 wahanui rumour has it maybe is a momentaneous error
16:16 cait i had problems with search.t
16:29 mtompset blou: -- you forgot to change the bug status.
16:29 mtompset (i.e. Needs Signoff)
16:50 mtompset HMMM?! What do you mean there's no late orders?!
16:51 reiveune bye
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16:53 mtompset okay... *whew* wrong branch.
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16:55 mtompset BTW, it seems weird to give staff access and acquisition access, but then log in and get told I can't access that page.
17:00 mtompset YAY!
17:00 mtompset I finally tested it, oleonard.
17:01 mtompset I figured out the magical incantations to do it.
17:01 mtompset Now to reproduce them, so I can make a fuller TEST PLAN.
17:05 mtompset EEEEEW! I just looked at it without the patch. Thank you, oleonard! That's a massive improvement.
17:11 mtompset ARG! I can't reproduce the magical incantation.
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17:13 mtompset AH! Must close with the basket group.
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17:50 oleonard If you're talking about the patch for Bug 11027 mtompset that's not mine
17:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11027 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Signed Off , add a column for basketgroups in late orders table
17:50 mtompset I must be in a daze.
17:50 mtompset You're right.
17:51 mtompset Seeing prog/en also makes me thing OPAC, even when it is intranet-tmpl.
17:51 mtompset ^thing^think^
17:52 mtompset is matts_away the same person, oleonard?
17:53 oleonard msaby I think?
17:53 mtompset @seen msaby
17:53 huginn mtompset: msaby was last seen in #koha 14 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 14 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <msaby> cait:so if I understant, if  these fields are not harmful, better not touching it...
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18:07 pianohacker yo
18:07 mtompset yo yo yo pianohacker? ;)
18:07 mtompset How are you?
18:08 pianohacker decent, busy as hell with school but decent
18:08 pianohacker you?
18:08 wahanui you is, like, smart
18:08 mtompset wahanui: forgot you
18:08 wahanui mtompset: excuse me?
18:08 mtompset wahanui: forget you
18:08 wahanui mtompset: I forgot you
18:09 mtompset NOOOO! Don't forget me when I'm gone. :P
18:09 mtompset Doing pretty good. #3 in sign offs for January. :)
18:09 mtompset i fear I'll drop back to #5 shortly.
18:10 mtompset Also depressing... I'm working hard at sign offs, and yet the number of things needing signoffs stays relatively constant.
18:14 * pianohacker makes note to break up future patches for ease of testing
18:15 pianohacker one patch per line of code?
18:15 mtompset NO!
18:16 mtompset one patch per logical break point: bootstrap changes, prog changes, program changes.
18:16 mtompset that sort of thing.
18:16 pianohacker logical break points? so one patch per word?
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18:19 mtompset pianohacker: want a small patch to sign off on? :)
18:19 pianohacker mtompset: not at the moment, sorry. I'm being snarky because I'm in the middle of breaking up a really thorny patch
18:20 mtompset ah, okay.
18:20 pianohacker 8133 is the bane of my existence
18:20 mtompset YIKES!
18:20 mtompset That's worse than my 7567.
18:20 cait bug 8133
18:20 wahanui i guess bug 8133 is what started libsysguy's quest
18:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
18:21 cait aaaaah
18:21 pianohacker pfft
18:21 * cait sends cookies
18:21 pianohacker yay :)
18:22 pianohacker At this point, I'm submitting an entire module full of code that has to be marked "Warning: This is only for temporary compatibility, and is not suitable for small children. Side effects may include existential angst and a perverse urge to learn Haskell."
18:24 jcamins pianohacker: "WARNING: may cause irrational and highly inappropriate urges regarding monads."
18:24 pianohacker Nobody was supposed to know about the monads! :(
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18:25 tcohen hi there!
18:25 cait pianohacker: was that for qa ears?
18:25 cait or eyes...?
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18:26 pianohacker cait: Well, partially. :) I'm making C4::Calendar have an API that matches the new calendar setup but interacts with the old DB layout, so there's some ugly emulation code.
18:26 cait oh
18:27 cait why?
18:27 pianohacker At some point in making the hourly loans code, I just tossed the entire diseased mess of the old admin page out the window, so I'm trying not to undo too much of my own work in the process of splitting up the patch
18:28 pianohacker (kept the template, praise ye oleonard, but the backend was a mess)
18:30 cait why not fix the backend step by step to support the current feature set and enhance on that?
18:30 mtompset
18:31 pianohacker cait: It would be possible, but a lot of work. I'm submitting code that is suboptimal, but the actual 8133 patch will true it up, and it does at least work reasonably well
18:31 cait i will leave you to it... and ask someone else to qa :P
18:32 tcohen hi cait
18:32 cait don't take me serious,just not having the best week
18:32 cait hi tcohen
18:32 cait how is vacation? :)
18:33 tcohen awesome
18:34 pianohacker cait: thanks. trying to make the best out of something that would have had to have been made as a patch series from the beginning
18:56 mtompset blou? *ping*
18:56 mtompset @see blou
18:56 huginn mtompset: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
18:56 mtompset @seen blou
18:56 huginn mtompset: blou was last seen in #koha 5 days, 23 hours, 43 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <blou> I'll explore that.  Thanks a LOT!
19:07 pianohacker cait: take a look at C4::Calendar::delete_holiday
19:07 cait too risky
19:07 pianohacker just trying to give you an idea of why I went all scorched-earth
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19:29 tcohen cait: remebeer to give me your dev DB to try to reproduce your problem
19:29 mtompset pianohacker: Why are there so many cursed delete_{blah} functions in the old code?!
19:29 mtompset (with respect to holiday)
19:30 cait tcohen: i wanted to try it on the unimarc databaes first
19:30 tcohen the failing tests are MARC21 tests
19:30 pianohacker dammit fire alarm brb
19:30 tcohen good luck pianohacker !!!
19:33 cait tcohen: mostly to see if it the database... or maybe something else?
19:34 pianohacker heh, some numbnut just bumped the alarm in the kitche
19:34 pianohacker good excuse for a change of scenery
19:34 cait hmmmm
19:36 cait tcohen: maybe some more clues:
19:39 tcohen cait: it must be some scenario the tests don't explicitly cover (sysprefs I guess)
19:39 tcohen with a default setup I cannot reproduce it
19:39 cait hm
19:40 tcohen I mean, I tried lots of combinations with no luck
19:40 cait when you look at the search prefs:
19:41 cait don't include, don't use, automatically, try, try, enable, don't force, don't include, not using, do not try
19:41 cait looks pretty standard
19:41 pianohacker sorry about that, the search prefs are a hot mess...
19:42 tcohen yeah, have the same options actually
19:47 tcohen cait, is it possible that you have a modified version of t/db_dependent/data/marc21​/zebraexport/large_biblio_
19:48 cait hm i don't think so
19:48 cait i think git should show it?
19:48 cait i have you test records in my database, should that make a difference?
19:51 cait hm
19:51 cait ah
19:51 cait i copied only the last error
19:51 cait all those tests fail
19:52 cait even the first on line 831
19:52 cait is($results_hashref->{biblioserver}->{hits}, 1, "can do a search that retrieves an over-large bib record (bug 11096)");
19:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra
19:53 cait tcohen: let's try something
19:53 cait i will give you the full output of the tests
19:55 tcohen ok
19:56 tcohen i can tell I generated Squeeze and Ubuntu 12.04 VM to run the tests on, which did successfuly
19:56 tcohen I think having the full log might help. yes
19:57 cait hm
19:57 cait not sure what it's doing
19:57 cait trying to write the results to a file
19:58 tcohen 2> file 1>&2
19:58 cait thx :)
19:59 cait search.t takes a bit
19:59 cait let's see if it works
20:04 mtompset Ah, redirecting stderr and stdout to a file. :)
20:04 cait tcohen:
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20:27 oleonard Bye #koha
20:29 mtompset REBOOT!
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20:50 tcohen cait, I saw those errors in a previous patch series
20:52 tcohen basically because they didn't have the right count of bib
20:52 tcohen s
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20:58 mtompset And that driver went kaboom.
21:01 pianohacker that's what drivers do
21:01 pianohacker the whole making your hardware work seems to be an inconvenient bug from their perspective
21:02 mtompset serves me right for trying to install a beta driver while using a VM with 3D whatever it was enabled.
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21:17 eythian hi
21:23 cait hi eythian
21:23 rhcl hihi
21:24 eythian wahanui: planning is <reply>
21:24 wahanui ...but planning is still going on, but there are lots of people signed up so it will happen!...
21:24 eythian no wahanui, planning is <reply>
21:24 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:26 pianohacker hahaha nice
21:27 pianohacker wahanui: C4::Koha is <reply>
21:27 wahanui OK, pianohacker.
21:29 mtompset planning C4::Koha?
21:29 pianohacker wahanui ain't that smart
21:29 wahanui pianohacker: excuse me?
21:29 pianohacker you heard me
21:30 mtompset So, what are you planning for C4::Koha?
21:30 pianohacker oh, nothing. Just documenting facts
21:30 pianohacker C4::Koha?
21:30 wahanui
21:34 mtompset C4::Koha planning?
21:34 mtompset koha planning?
21:34 mtompset oh well.
21:37 pianohacker I am failing at what seems like a simple task. I have a patch on a bug that I want to apply, but not commit, as I want to roll it into an existing set of changes
21:38 cait hm
21:38 cait what about applying it
21:38 pudding well you do want to commit it
21:38 cait then do a git reset --soft
21:38 cait and then a git commit --amend?
21:38 pudding you can rebase -i and roll it up
21:38 pudding with the other stuff
21:38 pudding dropping it's commit message in the process
21:38 cait pudding: why are you pudding? :)
21:38 tcohen hi eythian mtompset
21:38 pianohacker step 1: How to get the patch? Copy and paste the raw into a file?
21:39 pudding naw, just apply it normally
21:39 jcamins I recommend pudding's approach.
21:39 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
21:39 mtompset So, you are on vacation?
21:39 cait sounds reasonable to me too
21:39 jcamins Lots of sugar and chocolate.
21:39 pianohacker It's a small bugfix patch that's being rolled into one part of a broken-up patch
21:39 tcohen mtompset: indeed
21:40 pudding yea that's fine
21:40 mtompset git rebase -i is really cool! :)
21:40 pudding you can drop it's commit message and roll it back with the other stuff with rebase -i
21:40 mtompset You can use it to drop an old version of the bug and git bz the newer version. ;)
21:40 tcohen git_rebase_interactive++
21:40 pianohacker applying it and rebasing it is more work than just downloading the patch and using git apply, is that really the only way?
21:41 tcohen don't u have to do both actually?
21:41 pudding basically you're just squashing it yea?
21:41 pianohacker here, context. I'm trying to roll wizzyrea's patch on bug 8133 into the broken-out patch for bug 11211
21:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
21:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Move calculation code out of C4::Calendar
21:41 pudding maybe I don't understand what exactly you're trying to do
21:41 jcamins pianohacker: git apply will apply the patch. If it doesn't apply, you're SOL either way.
21:42 pianohacker I am squashing it, yes, and what you're describing would work. I just don't know how to download the patch :)
21:42 jcamins To squash patches, you use git rebase -i HEAD^^^
21:42 jcamins git bz apply 8133.
21:42 jcamins But if wizzyrea wrote the patch but not the others that are being squashed, the patches should be kept separate anyway.
21:42 pudding or just download the thing and apply it
21:43 pianohacker how do you do that in bugzilla?
21:43 * wizzyrea waves
21:43 pianohacker oh! hi, hahahaha
21:43 wizzyrea >.>
21:43 wizzyrea <.<
21:43 jcamins wizzyrea: right, if you want to do two steps. ;)
21:43 wizzyrea but now I have to go to a meeting.
21:43 wizzyrea well yea
21:43 pianohacker bye, thanks wizzyrea
21:43 cait pianohacker: you can do git bz apply and then choose the i option
21:43 * wizzyrea only answers what is asked
21:44 cait if you want only one specific patch in a series
21:44 wizzyrea ok byeeee ttyl
21:44 cait or you can just download it and do a git am -iu3 file
21:44 cait that would be 'the old way'
21:44 pianohacker jcamins: I have uncommitted changes, is the other part. It's easy enough to commit, rebase -i, etc, just hoping for a way to do it quickly in situations like this
21:45 pianohacker And I can't find a way to download a .patch anymore.
21:45 pianohacker I am entirely willing to believe I'm blind.
21:45 cait click on the patch subject
21:45 cait wget this link
21:46 cait ithink that's how i did it... but it's been a whlie
21:46 pianohacker cait: that's how it used to work, but I think you just have to copy and paste now
21:46 cait i don't see a reason why it would not work now
21:46 jcamins pianohacker: same way you always downloaded the patch.
21:46 jcamins Just use wget.
21:47 jcamins For example, `wget -O bug_11096.patch[…]ment.cgi?id=24492`
21:47 pianohacker Oh, you click details then view at the bottom! That's what I was missing. Dammit
21:47 jcamins And use git stash.
21:47 * cait nods
21:47 jcamins No need to click details. Just click the name of the file.
21:48 pianohacker Gaahhhh
21:48 cait pianohacker: or click on the subject/title - that brings you directly to the 'raw' version
21:48 pianohacker jcamins++
21:48 pianohacker cait??
21:48 wahanui cait is probably a bit worried about lumping all code into a single file a sa first step
21:48 cait not using oneof the three links at the end, but the link on the title
21:48 pianohacker cait++
21:48 cait also you have a pm from me :P
21:48 pianohacker thank you both...
21:49 cait i think you are not the first to ask that question
21:49 cait and not the last
21:49 pianohacker My brain was stuck on "This is how it worked in old bugzilla, but things are different, I can't do it that way now"
21:50 pianohacker jesus christ.
21:50 * cait sends more cookies
21:51 * pianohacker tries to eat cookies, shoves them all in eye
21:51 * pianohacker cries
21:52 rhcl well, ya gotta dip 'em in milk first, then they won't hurt
21:52 pianohacker jcamins: I owe you and gmcharlt a beer or something for the number of rock-stupid things you've helped me with
21:56 * cait takes the cookies away
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22:25 tcohen vacation auto-gift[…]es/2_0/blake.html
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22:38 dani @later tell meliss last ticket for Bennington cleared up. They can go into support.
22:38 huginn dani: The operation succeeded.
22:38 tcohen rangi aroung?
22:38 tcohen around?
22:38 dani ha, wrong window
22:39 cait tcohen: i think he might be home - see facebook
22:39 tcohen ah, thanks
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23:15 pianohacker is there a policy on using given/when, given the warnings it triggers?
23:18 mtompset What do you mean given/when? in template toolkit?
23:18 dcook[…]Switch-Statements
23:18 dcook pianohacker: I didn't even know Perl could do that!
23:18 mtompset *cringe* "experimental"
23:19 mtompset Let's avoid that in the base code.
23:19 pianohacker It's pretty awesome, but guess what, mtompset?
23:19 pianohacker [Tue Jan 28 15:49:41 2014] when is experimental at /home/feoh3/p/koha/tools/ line 201
23:19 pianohacker waaaaaaaarnin's
23:20 * dcook thinks this is likely a gmcharlt question
23:20 mtompset Yes, looks like a very useful thing though.
23:20 pianohacker probably. gmcharlt: around?
23:20 * dcook knows that he has used "goto" sometime in the past few months, but cannot remember where...
23:20 gmcharlt pianohacker: given/when is no good, alas, given the smartmatch mess in Perl
23:21 gmcharlt so, don't use it, remove them if you see them
23:21 * dcook had a feeling that might be the sitch
23:21 gmcharlt and hope that the next time the pumpkin-crew try to implement a switch statement, it actually works
23:21 pianohacker gmcharlt: curses, yeah, that makes sense, given[…]on-given-and-when
23:21 dcook ^^
23:22 pianohacker it would be really nice to have a rock-stupid version for just basic string-comparison-switch
23:22 dcook What's the minimum version of Perl that Koha supports?
23:22 pianohacker "I know smartmatch is complicated as hell, but I don't want it, just given/when"
23:22 gmcharlt dcook: 5.10
23:22 dcook thanks
23:22 gmcharlt pianohacker: I sympathize
23:23 gmcharlt I also view it as an object lession is the risk of trying to be too fancy
23:24 pianohacker absolutely
23:24 pianohacker gmcharlt: feelings about[…]b/Switch/ ?
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23:25 pianohacker (or one of the similar CPAN modules)
23:25 gmcharlt TBH, not unless one of them becomes a core module
23:26 gmcharlt absent a very strong argument that the syntax sugar is necessary, not just a preference
23:26 pianohacker understandable. Guess I'll do the usual hash of anonymous subs then
23:26 pianohacker wait, would that cause Plack problems?
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23:37 rangi it wont cause plack any
23:37 rangi however it may well cause the cgi emulation thingy we are using with plack problems
23:37 rangi ps cellulitis is balls
23:37 pianohacker amen...
23:38 wizzyrea oh rangi, is it feeling any better at all?
23:38 pianohacker rangi: Yeah, realized I need to make these ours or local ours
23:39 rangi wizzyrea: stopped growing, hopefully will start shrinking & hurting less soon
23:39 * dcook thought "ours" weren't desirable
23:39 rangi if the pain hasnt subsided by tomorrow i have to go back
23:39 wizzyrea :( that is, in fact, balls.
23:39 rangi dcook: we are using them as a bit of a hack, the way we are using them isnt really desirable
23:39 rangi what happens
23:40 rangi is the way we are using plack
23:40 rangi is that it wraps every script in a subroutine
23:41 rangi (this is not how you should really use plack of course this is just a zillion times easier than writing our scripts to work natively under it)
23:41 rangi which messes with scope of variables
23:42 bag damn man rangi
23:43 bag about the crazyness (and plack to I guess)
23:43 rangi bacteria are the single most effective form of life
23:43 rangi and after this, i can see why
23:43 rangi speedy little buggers
23:44 jcamins pianohacker: if you can avoid using our by putting your variables in an explicit subroutine, please do.
23:44 bag well rangi besides the form of life known as pianohacker
23:44 pianohacker haha wat
23:45 rangi hehe
23:46 pianohacker jcamins: I'm using a hash of anonymous subs as a replacement for a switch statement, so I don't think that's an option (it's the usual set of code blocks for each 'op' in an admin script)
23:46 jcamins pianohacker: in a .pl file?
23:46 jcamins In that case, don't use our.
23:47 jcamins If there's no explicit subroutine in the .pl file, you can treat the *entire file* as a sub.
23:47 pianohacker Even for scalars?
23:47 jcamins Point out the admin script?
23:47 jcamins I'll point to it for my explanation.
23:48 jcamins And you are required to picture me jumping up and down and pointing at the code after it's been written on a whiteboard.
23:48 pianohacker It's all of the holidays code cleaned up and put in a single .pl, let me get you a link
23:48 jcamins Thanks.
23:49 pianohacker jcamins:[…]&attachment=19326 , tools/
23:49 rangi nice
23:49 pianohacker I'm trying to excise the given/whens while doing it a bit more nicely than an if/else chain
23:50 jcamins Right, so here's where the way we use Plack makes things confusing.
23:50 jcamins Skip to line 29, after the use statements.
23:51 jcamins We'll ignore use statements for now because I still don't understand how they work.
23:52 jcamins Starting at line 29, what scope are declarations?
23:52 jcamins Hint: there's no such thing as file scope under CGIBin.
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23:53 jcamins Basically, starting at line 29, that entire file is wrapped in sub __plack_tools_calendar.pl_SILLYNONSENSETHA​TMAKESNOSENSETOANYONEOTHERTHANTHECOMPILER { ... }
23:53 jcamins So that code will get rerun per request.
23:53 jcamins But not recompiled.
23:53 jcamins Which is why use is weird to me.
23:55 jcamins Does that make sense?
23:56 jcamins I mean, did what I said make sense, not the way it behaves.

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