IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-23

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00:00 dcook Ideally, when I met you in person, we would've exchanged public keys, signed them, and uploaded them to a keyserver
00:00 * dcook says again having only really been researching/experimenting for 2 days
00:01 dcook I've never met eythian, but I have met rangi a couple times, so I would probably sign rangi's public key, and he's signed eythian's so that's one connection...
00:01 tcohen yeah, gmcharlt mentioned the signing step when I created mine but hten I forgot to get them signed during kohacon31
00:01 * dcook seems to recall needing something like 3 different pathways to a key for it to be trusted
00:02 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* is a bot
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00:08 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* wouldn't pass a Turing test
00:10 eythian You look down and see a tortoise, tcohen. It's crawling toward you...
00:10 eythian You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, tcohen.
00:10 eythian The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
00:10 eythian 're not helping! Why is that, tcohen?
00:10 eythian +You
00:11 cjh heh
00:11 * tcohen belives answering means teaching the machines, and they will rule us
00:13 tcohen what I mean eythian, is that its like watching "Family guy", just random unlinked stuff
00:13 eythian heh
00:14 eythian there isn't really a feedback loop going on with those emails, is there.
00:14 eythian wahanui: be human is <reply>\I got 98% in my last Turing test!
00:14 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:18 tcohen heh
00:19 * tcohen is tempted but comparing to wahanui would give interesting results :-P
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01:14 mtompset GAH! LOCATE is a MySQLism.
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02:13 wizzyrea gmcharlt, about?
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02:52 eythian[…]-facebooks-server <-- y'know that MARC-XML issue. Well, it was this.
02:53 wizzyrea yowch.
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03:17 gmcharlt wizzyrea: whassup?
03:17 wizzyrea i had a question about the passed qa patches on bug 10944 - is there a concern there that I'm not aware of?
03:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https
03:24 gmcharlt wizzyrea: well, now that there's a bootstrap follow-up, I'll look at it in due course
03:25 wizzyrea oh cool yay!
03:25 wizzyrea just wanted to make sure there wasn't some underlying concern
03:26 wizzyrea (also didn't want to spend the time doing a prog version of the last patch if there was a concern)
03:26 wizzyrea thanks :D
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03:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11313: supply empty value in mandatory comboboxs in MARC record editors <[…]362917d2b364b44c4>
03:53 dcook Wow 64 pushed in January, go gmcharlt!
03:53 dcook gmcharlt++
03:53 dcook cait++
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04:43 dcook @later tell tcohen Listening to "Glittering Darkness" and thinking of you!
04:43 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
04:45 eythian I didn't know tcohen glitters.
04:48 dcook He doesn't. He explodes in the sky.
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04:51 eythian oh dear
04:53 dcook magnuse is copping lots of flak today :p
04:53 dcook "Oh dear" now, earlier wizzyrea was talking about "that guy on the listserv" :p
04:53 dcook Bad humour doesn't translate so well to IRC...*goes back to his Apache config*
04:53 eythian heh
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04:56 Oak kia ora #koha
05:09 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
05:09 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:11 Oak have a good night mtompset.
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06:23 cait hi #koha
06:24 eythian hi
06:24 wahanui hi, eythian
06:26 dcook yo cait
06:26 cait hi eythian and dcook
06:28 * eythian is now leaving
06:28 eythian bye
06:31 dcook ta eythian
06:31 dcook Thanks again for those explanations this morning ^_^
06:32 dcook Time for me to head out too
06:33 dcook have a good day, cait :)
06:33 cait hae a nice evening :)
06:33 cait hm too slow
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07:33 * magnuse waves
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07:36 marcelr good morning #koha
07:36 paul_p good morning #koha
07:36 marcelr hi paul_p
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:42 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:43 marcelr hello reiveune
07:43 reiveune hi marcelr
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07:44 marcelr hi cait
07:46 cait hi marcelr
07:46 cait :)
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07:53 alex_a bonjour
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08:02 Joubu hello
08:06 cait hi all, hi Joubu
08:20 cait bag: ping me when you are around sometime?
08:20 bag hi there
08:20 cait oh that was fast :)
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08:27 gaetan_B hello
08:29 bag heya gaetan_B
08:29 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
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09:19 gaetan_B hey bag how are you doing ? :)
10:45 * cait waves
10:46 cait slef++
10:46 cait octopus.
10:46 wahanui octopus is good raw
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11:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
11:24 magnuse hiya mtompset
11:24 magnuse slef++ for the octopus!
11:24 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
11:25 mtompset slef++ # yes, the dog octopus was a nice touch.
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12:04 tcohen morning #koha
12:04 mtompset greetings, tcohen khall
12:08 tcohen hi mtompset
12:08 mtompset There. Wrote some tests.
12:08 mtompset YAY!
12:12 mtompset Is anyone ever going to create a YOLO framework?
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12:17 fridolin hie all
12:18 mtompset Greeting, fridolin.
12:20 fridolin hie mtompset ;)
12:21 tcohen YOLO?
12:27 marcelr hi mtompset: you still want someone to look at the framework/541 problem?
12:28 mtompset I've figured out part of our problems, and worked it through with my colleagues... but I'm still trying to understand why tab 5 vs. tab 9.
12:29 marcelr i'll have a look at my data now
12:41 mtompset More specifically, why 541$e is 9 for all but the default framework.
12:41 mtompset in marc_subfield_structure;
12:44 mtompset YOLO... some people say You Only Live Once.
12:45 mtompset Though, I doubt people would create a frameworkcode of YOLO.
12:45 marcelr mtompset: imo 541 should never map to items
12:46 mtompset Yes, I agree. But we had 541$e mapping to items.stocknumber.
12:46 mtompset We've corrected that.
12:46 marcelr just remove it :)
12:46 marcelr is it still in the install files that way?
12:46 mtompset However, that means our MARCXML has buggy 541$e entries.
12:47 mtompset And the weird thing is... the values, for the most part, never made it into the stocknumber field either.
12:47 cait marcelr: the default files in the installer are not mapping 541 - i checked yesterday
12:47 cait was a local change
12:47 cait thankfully, i got worried for a moment :)
12:47 mtompset Yes, it was a local change.
12:48 marcelr cait: that is true; i checked too now
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13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
13:22 marcelr hi oleonard
13:23 marcelr jcamins already here?
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13:35 mtompset Greetings, oleonard
13:35 mtompset @seen jcamins
13:35 huginn mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 2 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> 12k records to go. I have some other scripts I want to kick off when this is done.
13:35 mtompset If he is, he is being rather quiet, marcelr. :)
13:35 marcelr yeah
13:35 marcelr i mailed him in the meantime
13:37 magnuse maybe his scripts kicked *him* off...
13:41 marcelr o those scripts..
13:48 magnuse druthb!
13:48 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:49 druthb magnuse!
13:49 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
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14:15 * magnuse has noe eaten pizza since friday
14:16 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :)
14:16 mtompset Greetings, Dyrcona edveal nengard tcohen talljoy. :)
14:16 tcohen hi mtompset
14:16 nengard good morning all
14:16 tcohen morning nengard
14:16 talljoy yo mtompset
14:17 edveal morning everyone
14:17 Dyrcona hello!
14:17 talljoy magnues how are you surviving with such a drastic diet change?
14:17 talljoy magnuse  that is ^
14:18 mtompset if I wanted to try testing a patch in a sandbox, how would I do that?
14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -18.3°C (8:18 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -18.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am CST this morning...
14:19 druthb hi, mtompset! :)
14:19 druthb @wunder 77098
14:19 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 13.3°C (8:19 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am CST Friday...
14:19 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
14:19 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -18.8°C (9:19 AM EST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
14:19 rhcl -118.3°C
14:19 rhcl that's pretty cold
14:19 mtompset Anyone below -18.8? ;)
14:19 nengard @wunder 78741
14:19 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 9.7°C (8:14 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday...
14:20 nengard That's too funny .... 9.7 and we have a winter weather advisory
14:20 nengard got to love it here
14:20 edveal @wunder 79410
14:20 huginn edveal: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is -4.4°C (7:25 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
14:21 nengard ick! and no advisory
14:21 druthb It was all over the radio this morning, how nasty it's gonna be here.  0.1 inches of ice possible…
14:21 druthb (which, given that we are a city of four million people that only has a dozen snow plows….  )
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14:25 drojf hi #koha
14:25 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
14:26 drojf hi mtompset
14:31 magnuse talljoy: who says i'm surviving ;-)
14:31 talljoy lol
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14:52 chris_n has anyone seen this sort of weirdness with Chrome?
14:52 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "Broswer Weirdness" (20 lines) at
14:56 mtompset No, but I have seen my university friend post something about how Chrome extensions/plugins have been hijacked by adware folk. :)
14:56 mtompset oh curses!
14:57 mtompset just when you think you're done another thread unravels.
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14:58 tcohen yes chris_n
14:58 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
14:58 tcohen it happened a couple of times, the only solution was to delete the recent searches cookies
15:00 chris_n tcohen: thanks, I'll try that
15:04 Joubu bug 10952 should fix that
15:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Store anonymous search history in session
15:05 paul_p hi bag & JesseM & khall = so Kyle is not coming to Marseille, it's JesseM. Happy for JesseM ( & too bad for you, khall )
15:06 JesseM Hi paul_p pianohacker is coming as well. The other Jesse :)
15:06 paul_p JesseM yes, but I already knew, so it's not a surprise for me ;-)
15:06 JesseM Cant wait paul_p
15:07 paul_p bag told me in Reno, where we decided the dates. We choose the dates to fit pianohacker school holidays ;-)
15:07 paul_p JesseM and you're right ;-)
15:14 rhcl @seen bag
15:14 huginn rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 44 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <bag> heya gaetan_B
15:21 * tcohen just remembered 3.12.9 should be released soon
15:21 tcohen holidays++
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15:42 tcohen can anyone take a quick look at 9579?
15:44 tcohen it targets the stable branches
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15:51 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
15:51 gmcharlt yep
15:55 tcohen is it ok that I mark 9579 3.14 instead of master?
15:57 tcohen and also: should the Search.t tests also mix "-g iso2709" and the marcxml counterpart?
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15:58 gmcharlt re 9579, yes, but I will review the patch today first
15:58 gmcharlt re your second question, sure
15:58 tcohen ok
15:59 tcohen i'll release3.12 today with a statement on the MARC::XML upgrade
16:00 gmcharlt tcohen++
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16:40 cait tcohen++
16:42 cait bye all
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17:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10922: (follow-up) remove display of form parameter <[…]e596040967b4ac9cc> / Bug 10922: Display whether prices are include or don't include tax when creating... <[…]2e3e8b4d0f1e0818c> / Bug 11397: Remove the itemnumber list on the Acquisition detail tab <
17:16 reiveune bye
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17:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11415: DBRev <[…]5109d41430c7a8c76> / Bug 11415 (QA Followup) fix whitespace <[…]d8f39bde9987a92e4> / Bug 11415: Add syspref to toggle SCO receipt printing <[…]69a0cf1adfc7c50c2
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17:40 * cait waves
17:42 tcohen hi cait
17:42 cait hi tcohen :)
17:43 tcohen where is junkins?
17:43 wahanui junkins is a bit lazy today
17:44 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x
17:44 tcohen :-P
17:44 * tcohen thought he might have been hiding
17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11486: Don't display the number of remaining renewals if == 0 <[…]00e9cf18c9a9407e2> / Bug 11486: Show renewal count on 'check out' and 'details' tabs in patron record <[…]505312c7bb310ae92>
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18:03 cait gmcharlt++
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18:23 * magnuse waves
18:31 * magnuse has his tickets for marseille booked
18:31 cait woohoo
18:31 cait :)
18:33 * tcohen has *healthy* envy
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18:33 cait heh
18:34 pianohacker heh yourself! :(
18:34 cait hm?
18:34 cait aren't you going too pianohacker?
18:34 cait ah
18:34 pianohacker I don't actually know what we're talking about
18:35 cait magnuse booked his tickets tomarseille and tcohen has healthy envy
18:36 pianohacker ahhh. woo hackfest!
18:40 tcohen[…]ices-in-perl.html
18:40 tcohen should we have coding guidelines for unit tests?
18:41 cait hm like?
18:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix table sorting <[…]4475da1f3aabbc919> / Bug 10907: DBRev <[…]9e6c70904158535b6> / Bug 10907: Optionally show the staff member's name who managed a suggestion in OPAC <[…]?p=koha.git;a=com
18:41 gmcharlt well, at a start the unit tests should be subject to the same guidelines as the rest of the codebase
18:41 cait gmcharlt++
18:41 cait thx for fixing the sorting
18:42 tcohen we should use more subtests for organizing the tests, and remove output (or at least have <> if $DEBUG; or something similar
18:43 cait not sure if we should insist on too many rules right now
18:43 cait it's still hard to get people to actually write them
18:43 tcohen hmm, I think its actually the opossite
18:44 tcohen "they ask me for tests, how do I write one?"
18:44 cait true :)
18:44 tcohen first time I tried to write one, I looked for the coding guidelines
18:44 tcohen then copy and pasted the wrong sample test
18:45 tcohen heh
18:45 gmcharlt but I think that actually needs to be part of the process -- i.e., rather than just assert new guidelines, accompany them with patches that improve the tests
18:46 gmcharlt IOW, a lot of people, for good or ill, get started by looking for an example to copy and extend
18:46 tcohen hm, not following you
18:46 cait ihave had a lot of people asking for some best practice exapmles for dbic
18:47 tcohen gmcharlt: i was thinking of working on refactoring some tests (mostly cleaning)
18:47 tcohen then I thought it should be documented somewhere
18:47 * cait likes how tcohen thinks ;)
18:47 gmcharlt so if one wants to introduce a new guideline, making an implementation of it part of the proposal makes it mroe clear why it's a good idea, and gives the copy-and-pasters among us a better starting point
18:47 gmcharlt and +1 to cleaning
18:48 magnuse +1 to all of the above
18:48 tcohen got the point gmcharlt, will try to put my 2 cents on that
18:48 * magnuse is a copy-and-paster
18:48 tcohen but I'm not actually aware of "good practices"
18:48 tcohen heh
18:48 gmcharlt now one specific suggestion I have for a new guideline: every test should have a name
18:48 gmcharlt i.e., never just do is($foo, $bar);
18:49 gmcharlt do is($foo, $bar, 'the foo is barred');
18:49 * cait likes that
18:50 rangi morning
18:50 rangi and yes i agree
18:50 cait morning rangi
18:50 gmcharlt +1 to more grouping, but not to the point of verbosity
18:50 magnuse kia ora rangi
18:50 rangi name the tests
18:50 gmcharlt e.g., in the link tcohen provided, the example under the "Group your tests or, even better, use classes" is not great
18:51 tcohen gmcharlt: i personally like subtests
18:51 gmcharlt I do too... but only over a certain level of complexity
18:51 tcohen that link was just the first gogole result i got
18:51 rangi i personally want it as utterly easy and low barrier to write tests as possible
18:51 rangi so there is NO excuse for not doing it
18:52 cait +1
18:52 gmcharlt the example given in that link tacks on 7 more lines of code; not justified for a set of simple tests
18:52 gmcharlt easier to justify as a set of tests grows in size and complexity
18:53 tcohen as in Search.t
18:53 gmcharlt IOW, a coding rule of "you always must use subtests" would be too much of a barrier, at least at present
18:53 tcohen I think that would be the RM decision
18:53 fridolin FYI : 3.14.2 is released, still hot :D
18:53 gmcharlt fridolin++
18:53 rangi fridolin++
18:53 fridolin I've updated this time the symlink "koha-latest.tar.gz" on download site
18:53 gmcharlt of course, that's not to stand in the way of using subtests if somebody wants to
18:54 tcohen fridolin++ # I got distracted by this chat and you won this time :-P
18:54 cait fridolin++
18:54 gmcharlt the bit about tseting behavior, not implementation, is good
18:55 gmcharlt I'd be cautious about adopting an OOP testing framework
18:55 magnuse fridolin++
18:55 gmcharlt in part, for historical reasons -- there was a time when Test::Class was used
18:55 gmcharlt but it didn't end up being used by folks other than those who introduced it
18:56 fridolin see you tomorrow
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18:57 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll try to do something I can convince the RM with, don't worry
18:58 tcohen and as rangi told me several times, the patches should talk for themselves
18:58 gmcharlt tcohen: and that's what I want to emphasize to you
18:58 gmcharlt i.e., write tests
18:58 gmcharlt write about writing tests
18:58 gmcharlt discuss on koha-devel
18:58 gmcharlt then a consensus can emerge :)
19:00 magnuse consensus++
19:09 tcohen ok, see u later #koha
19:10 magnuse have fun tcohen
19:10 bag it's a build pillow forts with Ginny kind of day
19:11 cait :)
19:13 cait hm looks like some weird git messages
19:13 cait wrong tags/branches again?
19:14 * druthb builds a pillow fort, hides in it.
19:15 mtompset I hate writing tests, but having just tweaked t/db_dependent/Biblio.t, I think standards would be a good thing!
19:15 bag druthb: ginny has room for you - she'd love it if you joined :D
19:16 magnuse bag: i'm a little confused as to who is coming to marseille - you and pianohacker and... one more?
19:16 bag druthb: just texted you some pics of the fort
19:16 pianohacker khall right?
19:17 bag magnuse: it's pianohacker, JesseM and me
19:17 magnuse ah, cool
19:17 magnuse so 2x jesse?
19:17 pianohacker yup :)
19:17 cait confusing!
19:17 cait :)
19:17 JesseM Yup :D
19:17 bag so pianohacker = Jesse Weaver, JesseM = Jesse Maseto, and bag = this crazy fool
19:17 cait we will have to number you
19:17 magnuse we must all just use last names
19:18 * druthb climbs into the pillow fort with lil Ginny
19:18 magnuse yay, i get to meet some more bywaterians i have not met!
19:18 bag well cait and magnuse - it's really easy - you've got cute young fun pianohacker, awesomely fun JesseM and old fart annoying dood bag
19:18 rangi cait: just call them all jesse
19:18 rangi bag will probably still answer to that
19:18 mtompset Why bywaterians? Why not bywaterites?
19:18 cait sounds like a plan
19:18 pianohacker jesse g, jesse m, and jesse w
19:18 pianohacker awesome
19:18 rangi heh
19:18 bag HA  - I'll stick with Brendan :P
19:19 pianohacker I think most people at bywater just call me pianohacker anymore...
19:19 magnuse bag: that's what you think
19:19 bag it's dangerous what I think :P
19:20 bag or is that know?
19:20 bag or is that what I used to know and have already forgotten
19:20 magnuse sorry, i just forgot
19:21 bag my dad for my whole life has always said - I've forgotten more than you know - I was always like geezze thanks dad I must be really dumb then
19:21 * bag is a bugger to his poor dear old dad
19:21 magnuse lol
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19:25 bag hey rhcl you were looking for me?
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19:27 rangi tcohen++
19:28 gmcharlt water-byers?
19:28 rangi eeek
19:28 rangi who pushed all the tags again
19:28 magnuse not me!
19:28 rangi it was either tcohen or fridolin
19:29 cait that's what i tried to say earlier...
19:29 rangi @later tell fridolin awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need
19:29 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:30 cait just nobody ever listens to me! :p
19:30 rangi @later tell tcohen awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need
19:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:30 gmcharlt rangi: easy Gitolite config change to only allow tags/v*
19:30 gmcharlt shall I make it?
19:30 rangi yes please
19:30 rangi ill go clean up the tags
19:31 kathryn_ joined #koha
19:31 kathryn_ morning :)
19:32 rangi miss the ferry kathryn_ ?
19:33 rangi or blowing off work for the cricket?
19:33 rangi :)
19:33 kathryn_ rangi: I wish! (to both)
19:33 kathryn_ rangi: just sent a whereis message for work, but am staying home so can put food in a blender and talk less
19:33 kathryn_ REALLY sore jaw now
19:34 gmcharlt rangi: done
19:34 rangi eek
19:34 rangi got a dentist appt?
19:34 rangi ahh i just read the whereis
19:34 rangi weird
19:34 kathryn_ yeah, not even to do with teeth :/
19:35 rangi like a pulled muscle?
19:35 kathryn_ "take painkillers and rest it"
19:35 kathryn_ more likely a spasm
19:35 rangi ah yeah
19:35 rangi well we will be talking a crap ton in 9 days time
19:35 rangi so rest is good
19:36 kathryn_ yeah will need to talk a lot at Vala
19:36 rangi yup
19:36 kathryn_ esp after you lose your voice
19:36 rangi heh
19:37 magnuse Vala?
19:41 rangi
19:41 talljoy druthb ?
19:41 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
19:41 talljoy lol
19:41 talljoy yes but is she here?
19:41 talljoy @later tell druthb ping me when you can
19:41 huginn talljoy: The operation succeeded.
19:41 rangi magnuse:
19:42 rangi and we are exhibiting too and doing a short koha presentation
19:42 nengard dani around?
19:42 rangi nengard: no
19:42 rangi unless she chose a new nick
19:43 magnuse rangi: cool!
19:43 magnuse LibraryBox - yay!
19:43 rangi magnuse: i particularly like my ranty session is sponsored by publishers
19:43 nengard Found her ... she was in our work channel :)
19:44 dani joined #koha
19:45 magnuse rangi: yay - way to go!
19:46 rangi nengard: and now dani is here too
19:46 rangi :)
19:46 nengard there she is :) hehe
19:46 nengard I was typing in the wrong window anyway, but glad she's joining us
19:47 bag heya dani
19:47 * magnuse waves to dani
19:47 dani hello
19:47 wahanui kai ora, dani
19:47 dani howdy
19:48 rangi hmm i need to fix wahanui, unless kai ora is hello in some other language .. cos in maori that means eat well, not hello
19:49 bag HAHA
19:50 cait lol
19:50 cait hello
19:50 cait wahanui: hello
19:50 wahanui hola, cait
19:53 magnuse rangi: that is kind of appropriate for this channel, though... :-)
19:53 * magnuse wanders off into the night
19:53 magnuse @wunder boo
19:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
19:53 rangi sleep well magnuse
19:53 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:53 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:30 AM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
19:56 rhcl @wunder 64507
19:56 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -11.1°C (1:56 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Falling).
19:57 rhcl I'm lots more colder than magnus
19:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.2°C (8:55 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:00 talljoy i think i need to become nomadic and work in the southern hemisphere half the year.  i can't take the cold
20:00 druthb talljoy++
20:00 druthb @wunder 77098
20:00 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 10.0°C (2:00 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 6 am CST Friday...
20:00 talljoy @wunder Fort Worth, TX
20:00 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in HADS WEST FORK TRINITY RIVER AT FORT TX US USGS, Fort Worth, Texas is -1.7°C (1:15 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady).
20:00 talljoy -1??? wha?
20:01 rangi talljoy: theres always a spare desk at the koha team at catalyst, you could do a trea :)
20:01 talljoy sweet deal.
20:01 * talljoy goes to check airfare to NZ
20:01 rangi there was a special on airnz
20:01 druthb $bunchteen.99
20:01 rangi laurel got her flights to sfo for 1199$ nz return so under 1k usd
20:01 talljoy then again, i ought to just move to a tropical locale and never have to move.
20:02 talljoy @wunder Lihue
20:02 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 21.0°C (9:53 AM HST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). High surf warning in effect until 6 am HST Friday...
20:02 talljoy nice.
20:02 druthb @wunder mumbai
20:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 23.0°C (1:10 AM IST on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
20:02 cait rangi: got a second desk?
20:02 rhcl blatant poaching
20:02 rhcl ?
20:02 gaetan_B joined #koha
20:02 rangi hehe yep
20:03 rangi naw, rhcl, keep working for bywater/bsz just a different desk
20:03 rhcl Isn't Bali down there around NZ somewhere? That would be a great OL (operating location)
20:03 rangi topologically wellington nz is only a few more hops away than texas
20:03 rangi :)
20:04 talljoy Bali....hmmmm
20:04 talljoy @wunder Bali
20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found.
20:04 talljoy no bali?
20:04 cait :)
20:04 talljoy oh no, where did it go? lol
20:04 rhcl @wunder indonesia
20:04 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
20:04 bag @wunder 93109
20:04 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Flora Vista/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8°C (12:04 PM PST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
20:04 talljoy @wunder DPS
20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found.
20:04 druthb @sunder Denpasar, Indonesia
20:04 huginn druthb: downloading the Perl source
20:05 druthb @wunder Denpasar, Indonesia
20:05 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Denpasar / Ngurah-Rai, Indonesia is 24.0°C (2:00 AM CIT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
20:05 talljoy there.....finally!
20:05 druthb There ya go.  The capital of Bali province.
20:05 talljoy druthb++
20:06 rhcl @wunder Pattaya, Thailand
20:06 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 21.3°C (3:00 AM ICT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:06 cait :)
20:06 cait @wunder Cordoba
20:06 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
20:07 cait hm
20:07 cait @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
20:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 39.0°C (5:05 PM ART on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa (Steady).
20:07 rangi rhcl: eythian worked at caits work a couple of years ago, and at a desk at biblibre too
20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, phillipines
20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, Philippines
20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
20:07 cait it was awesome.
20:08 rhcl ah, you jet setters...
20:08 cait it seems like eythian really really doesn't like winter
20:09 talljoy heh
20:09 talljoy speaking of cordoba.  did a date ever get set for kohacon 14?
20:09 cait yep
20:10 talljoy didn't see it on the wiki.  was i in the wrong spot?
20:10 cait second week of october i think, was on the mailing list, i think also the wiki
20:10 * talljoy rubs her eyes
20:10 cait trying to find it sec
20:10 talljoy let me look again.  i was not on wiki i thinks, but on website
20:11 cait
20:11 cait not much yet, but dates :)
20:11 talljoy yup wasn't looking there.  thanks cait!
20:11 cait np :)
20:12 druthb hm.  Some rather-vigorous rain going on here, and temps are falling fast.
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20:23 nengard @wunder 78741
20:23 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 4.0°C (2:11 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1030 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday...
20:24 nengard getting colder ... but no rain yet
20:33 rhcl nengard: are you living in Austin now or just working there temp?
20:33 nengard living here
20:33 nengard bengard got a job here
20:33 nengard and since I can work anywhere ... we moved
20:33 rangi she was too weird for PA anymore, so they sent her to austin
20:33 nengard ha
20:33 nengard we're building a house:[…]taken/2014/01/22/
20:34 nengard living in an apartment for now
20:34 rhcl cool
20:34 rhcl I just didn't remember seeing that memo cross my desk
20:34 nengard hehe
20:34 nengard I moved in October
20:34 nengard most of my "memos" are on facebook and twitter
20:34 nengard I don't know if I did mention it here in channel
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20:49 tcohen rangi: would you agree we should replace "git push remote --tags branch" for "git push remote tag" in the rmaint instructions?
20:52 rangi cant hurt
20:53 tcohen it was me btw
20:53 tcohen sorry for that
20:53 cait you got one fre
20:53 cait e
20:53 cait i think
20:53 cait tradition ...
20:54 cait for next time you will have to send rangi cookies :)
20:54 * tcohen sends cookies to rangi, as it was his second time (never thought it would happen again if religiously followed the instructions)
20:54 cait lol
20:54 cait oups
20:55 tcohen i can blame the one who wrote the instructions anyway LOL
20:57 rangi :)
20:58 ashimema joined #koha
20:59 * cait waves at ashimema
21:00 rangi @later tell fridolin tcohen confessed it was him :) all good :)
21:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:00 ashimema hey cait.
21:00 tcohen heh
21:00 rangi hi ashimema
21:01 ashimema hey rangi.
21:02 rangi[…]ild-jumpin-jumpin
21:03 rangi i proclaim it funky friday
21:05 tcohen violent funky?
21:06 tcohen
21:07 wizzyrea cheese funky?
21:07 rangi tcohen: that works
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21:08 wizzyrea ohh that is very funky.
21:09 rangi wizzyrea: you wanted funky cheese ?
21:09 wizzyrea *snicker*
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21:12 ashimema looks like i've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again.. thanks rangi ;)
21:12 wizzyrea < french cheese funk
21:12 rangi heh
21:12 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again
21:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:12 wizzyrea daw
21:13 rangi[…]-is-it-because-im
21:13 ashimema wizzyrea: foiled again..
21:13 rangi @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again
21:13 huginn rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:13 rangi hmm i must have logged out
21:13 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again
21:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #292 added.
21:13 wizzyrea booyah
21:13 wizzyrea naw, i think huginn logged out
21:13 wizzyrea and we all got unregistered :)
21:14 rangi ah right
21:14 gmcharlt tcohen: I've put a Gitolite config change in place to prevent pushing non-v* tags ... which mean that rangi won't be getting cookies from you
21:14 gmcharlt hmm
21:14 gmcharlt problem there
21:14 wahanui well, problem there is we don't have an interface for lists.
21:14 gmcharlt maybe I should revert?
21:14 gmcharlt happy rangi? or well-fed rangi?
21:14 gmcharlt ;)
21:15 rangi heh
21:15 cait as cookies are not strictly healthy...
21:15 cait i guess better not revert :)
21:33 tgoatley joined #koha
21:36 * gmcharlt lashes himself ten times with a wet noodle
21:37 cait ?
21:37 cait is that a religious thing?
21:38 gmcharlt no
21:38 gmcharlt huginn will explain in a moment
21:38 huginn gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source
21:38 cait oh you broke my feature!
21:38 * gmcharlt cowers
21:38 cait hehe
21:39 cait i think you just did it so I don't feel so bad about breaking the sorting ;)
21:39 gmcharlt oh...
21:39 gmcharlt right, that was it!
21:39 gmcharlt ;)
21:39 cait did you see my pm?
21:39 * gmcharlt looks
21:40 gmcharlt ah -- let's talk next Tuesday
21:40 * gmcharlt will be tied up in ALA
21:40 cait ok :)
21:40 cait hm i think i took that too literally for a moment
21:40 cait might be time to sleep :)
21:41 wizzyrea well between the wet noodle lashings, the cowering, and being tied up at ALA, I see how your mind could go there.
21:41 gmcharlt heh
21:41 cait :)
21:41 gmcharlt no, ALA conferences are not /that/ interesting!
21:41 wizzyrea dunno, librarians can be pretty crazy...
21:41 mtompset Acoholic Librarians Anonymous?
21:42 wizzyrea there isn't the "saucy librarian" stereotype for nothin, you know.
21:42 cait probably more interesting than ours here :)
21:43 eythian hi
21:43 wahanui hola, eythian
21:43 mtompset I think it's done, eythian.
21:44 * cait waves at eythian
21:44 jcamins Vitally important question! If you are wearing a colored vest to a blacktie event, does your bowtie have to be the same color?
21:44 mtompset Call me a literalist, but doesn't blacktie mean BLACK tie?
21:44 eythian mtompset: excellent :)
21:44 jcamins Also, why don't I practice tying bowties more often?
21:44 eythian mtompset: no, it's supposed to be ironic. It means Hawaiian shirts.
21:45 eythian hello cait
21:45 wahanui hello cait are you here?
21:45 rhcl Whoa
21:45 rhcl that's quasi-sentient
21:45 eythian rhcl: wahanui is practicing
21:46 eythian wahanui: be human
21:46 wahanui I got 98% in eythian's last Turing test!
21:46 eythian doh
21:46 mtompset eythian: I just discovered the exporting save record piece this morning.
21:46 mtompset DOH!
21:46 eythian no wahanui, be human is <reply>\I got 98% in \my last Turing test!
21:46 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix typo... <[…]92521ea166f679cea>
21:46 eythian mtompset: ah yeah, that's another good place to catch.
21:47 eythian mtompset: so, now everything going out the OPAC is run through a nice central filter?
21:47 rhcl wahanui: do you know Emma the Catbot?
21:47 wahanui rhcl: bugger all, i dunno
21:47 mtompset As far as I know.
21:47 eythian excellent
21:47 mtompset read the code and weep. ;)
21:47 mtompset Well, it's not that bad.
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21:56 jcamins I look like a security guard in a TV drama.
21:56 mtompset As long as it isn't a RED vest, you're okay. ;)
21:57 jcamins I wish I could find a black bowtie so I could wear a red vest.
21:57 jcamins Or a red bowtie, I suppose.
21:57 mtompset The red shirts always die, jcamins.
22:01 eythian Always.
22:01 jcamins I found a black bowtie!
22:02 jcamins And I'm wearing a white shirt, so I should be fine.
22:02 eythian you'll look like a waiter now
22:02 wizzyrea ...
22:03 jcamins eythian: well done.
22:03 jcamins You anticipated me.
22:03 eythian :)
22:03 mtompset Just don't waddle, or you'll look like a penguin. :P
22:03 wizzyrea omg, lol.
22:03 jcamins There must be a way to not look like an idiot.
22:03 wizzyrea put on your debonair face?
22:03 wizzyrea pretend you're james bond?
22:04 wizzyrea that could probably actually work.
22:04 rhcl You'll definitely need some gold cufflinks
22:04 rhcl And make sure your shirt is monogrammed
22:05 jcamins lol
22:05 jcamins If I went in white face no one would think it out of place if I started singing "Wilcommen bienvenue."
22:08 * jcamins changes cufflinks.
22:08 wizzyrea
22:09 jcamins Well, it's time to go, happy or not.
22:09 jcamins I'll go with the black vest purple bowtie, I think.
22:11 rhcl good luck
22:11 wizzyrea have fun
22:22 cait good night all
22:23 cait left #koha
22:35 eythian mtompset: you're up on bug 11592 :)
22:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
22:37 eythian mtompset: it's almost entirely small style things rather than actual problems.
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23:11 ibeardslee[…]imagine-a-library
23:20 * kathryn_ slaps eythian around a bit with a large fishbot
23:20 eythian @wunder nzwn
23:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
23:22 * dcook wonders if the exterior of a fishbot is the bot part or the fish part...
23:23 * wizzyrea did not expect kathryn_ to be the wielder of the fishbot
23:23 papa joined #koha
23:24 eythian there's two of her, split personality can have strange effects.
23:25 wizzyrea i'm shocked. SHOCKED.
23:29 kathryn_ OOOOOPPPPPSSSS!
23:29 kathryn_ accidetal fish slap!
23:29 kathryn_ doot de doo...
23:45 pianohacker quick ways to mess with your vim productivity, part 15: move your escape key

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