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| 00:01 |
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dcook |
Damn, this is addictive... |
| 00:14 |
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| 00:24 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 00:30 |
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mtompset |
Okay... the OPAC XSLT stuff grabs the MARCXML field, parses and formats it, and then pumps it out to the opac-detail page. |
| 00:31 |
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mtompset |
If I want to HIDE fields, is there a nice way to do it without converting it to a marc record so I can fliter it against the marc_subfield_structure table for the biblio's frameworkcode? |
| 00:32 |
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eythian |
probably not |
| 00:33 |
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mtompset |
Okay, yuck. :) |
| 00:33 |
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mtompset |
Let the ugliness begin. |
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| 00:58 |
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mtompset |
Progress, but not quite. |
| 00:58 |
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eythian |
mtompset: what are you doing? because it sounds like something we will need soon also. |
| 00:59 |
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mtompset |
The opac-MARCdetail.pl properly hides things based on the hidden value in marc_subfield_structure |
| 00:59 |
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mtompset |
opac-detail.pl does not. |
| 01:00 |
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eythian |
ah |
| 01:00 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 01:00 |
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mtompset |
I'm fixing it so opac-detail.pl will match opac-MARCdetail.pl |
| 01:00 |
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eythian |
if you make a nice generic function to filter marc, I'll be able to use that too. |
| 01:00 |
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mtompset |
So if you do crazy things like hide 100$a, it will. |
| 01:00 |
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eythian |
I'll be needing something so that logged in users have different rules to anon users. |
| 01:00 |
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mtompset |
different?! |
| 01:01 |
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mtompset |
That actually sounds like something WE could use. ;) |
| 01:01 |
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wizzyrea |
If you're gonna do it, should DO IT. |
| 01:01 |
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eythian |
basically, they want a public catalogue, but they want notes to be hidden unless you're logged in, as they are potentially a little politically inflammatory. |
| 01:02 |
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mtompset |
In our case, we want to hide authors which would link the book to an organization that some countries would be unhappy about. :) |
| 01:03 |
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mtompset |
or publishers. not everything, just not liked parts. |
| 01:03 |
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eythian |
ah yep |
| 01:03 |
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mtompset |
So, the hiding functionality needs to work properly across views. |
| 01:03 |
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eythian |
yeah, same here |
| 01:04 |
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mtompset |
If you give me a week, I'll have it all nicely up on bugzilla for you, eythian, so you can extend it as you want. |
| 01:04 |
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eythian |
that'd be cool |
| 01:10 |
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mtompset |
just my luck, the template toolkit website is timing out on me. |
| 01:16 |
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eythian |
doh |
| 01:16 |
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eythian |
might have docs in /usr/share/docs |
| 01:16 |
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eythian |
(I'm not sure) |
| 01:19 |
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dcook |
Yeah, the TT manual is on the system. |
| 01:19 |
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dcook |
Or at least some are... |
| 01:19 |
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* dcook |
was looking at them the other day |
| 01:20 |
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dcook |
-> /usr/lib/perl5/.../Template/Manual |
| 01:21 |
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dcook |
mtompset: ^ |
| 01:21 |
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dcook |
At least, that's on my OpenSUSE |
| 01:21 |
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mtompset |
for future reference. |
| 01:28 |
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eythian |
so routing list notes are terribly broken. |
| 01:29 |
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eythian |
it looks like someone assumed they worked one way, when they in fact work a different way, and now they don't work at all. |
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| 01:45 |
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mtompset |
oh joy! |
| 01:45 |
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mtompset |
does anyone know how to DELETE a tag from a MARC::Record? |
| 01:47 |
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dcook |
MARC::Field documentation would tell you that, I believe |
| 01:48 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote add A sad story: "it looks like someone assumed they worked one way, when they in fact work a different way, and now they don't work at all." |
| 01:48 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #291 added. |
| 01:49 |
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wizzyrea |
an all too common story :(( |
| 01:50 |
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mtompset |
That triggered this musical flashback |
| 01:50 |
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mtompset |
http://youtu.be/lenFPDV76uM |
| 02:02 |
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eythian |
I'm not convinced the routing list notes have ever worked |
| 02:02 |
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eythian |
they seem to have been introduced in '06, and the queries look broken then. |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
^ this is what I thought when I was looking at it, but didn't feel qualified to make any pronouncements :/ |
| 02:07 |
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eythian |
Oh, I just make pronouncements and if I'm wrong, it's safe to assume that everyone has forgotten about them before long anyway. |
| 02:07 |
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dcook |
I think I've looked at the routing list notes, but only barely |
| 02:19 |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
| 02:19 |
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mtompset |
Question... if I decide to hide 260$a,b,c but not the other subfields of 260. |
| 02:20 |
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mtompset |
Should the label "Publisher:" show if nothing else is printed? |
| 02:20 |
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* wizzyrea |
strives to be more like eythian |
| 02:20 |
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mtompset |
-- this seems to be a pain to do in the XSLT stuffs. |
| 02:20 |
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eythian |
mtompset: if there are no other subfields, there should be no 260 in the resulting record. |
| 02:21 |
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eythian |
and so it should behave exactly as though there was no 260 to start with. |
| 02:22 |
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mtompset |
Hmm... the XSLT is still putting out Publisher, even if the 260 field is all hidden, which I suspect is not there. |
| 02:22 |
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mtompset |
(I delete fields when there are no subfields) |
| 02:24 |
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eythian |
mtompset: in that case, just leave it alone. It's not your problem, at least as part of this. |
| 02:24 |
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mtompset |
So, what is "<xsl:if test="marc:datafield[@tag=260]">" actually looking at? |
| 02:24 |
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eythian |
that ought to catch it. |
| 02:24 |
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mtompset |
It should. |
| 02:25 |
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mtompset |
OOOOO! |
| 02:26 |
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mtompset |
I have an idea... the delete_subfield fails on the last subfield. |
| 02:26 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 02:26 |
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mtompset |
now to test that idea. |
| 02:26 |
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eythian |
I don't like that behaviour myself. |
| 02:27 |
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eythian |
I'd rather it either deleted it, and the field too, or issued an exception so you know you have to handle it. |
| 02:27 |
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mtompset |
I haven't tested the idea, but that's the only thing I can think of right now. |
| 02:28 |
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mtompset |
bingo! |
| 02:29 |
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mtompset |
Oh this is awesome. I'm really close now. |
| 02:29 |
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eythian |
awesome :D |
| 02:29 |
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mtompset |
Basically, opac/opac-detail.pl grabs GetMarcBiblio. |
| 02:29 |
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mtompset |
This is a Marc::Record |
| 02:30 |
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mtompset |
I think delete fields/subfields based on hidden values from marc_subfield_structure |
| 02:30 |
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mtompset |
^think^then^ |
| 02:31 |
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eythian |
sounds like a good way to do it. |
| 02:31 |
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mtompset |
I then wrote a function which attempts to takes a partial kohafield and relate it back to the MARC fields/subfields. |
| 02:32 |
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mtompset |
And create a hash of whether it is hidden or not. |
| 02:32 |
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mtompset |
I did have to tweak opac-MARCdetail.pl, because it wasn't hiding title properly. |
| 02:33 |
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mtompset |
And had to tweak C4/XSLT.pm to delete out fields which have no subfields. |
| 02:33 |
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mtompset |
but it doesn't actually check hidden at all. |
| 02:33 |
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mtompset |
it's just a fix. |
| 02:34 |
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mtompset |
oh, and GetMarcSubjects... [ { '', undef } ] is useless to push. |
| 02:34 |
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mtompset |
so I added a check, so the Subjects hides correctly. :) |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
I suppose I should hide/unhide subtitle correctly in the template. |
| 02:35 |
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mtompset |
But it looks weird to hide the title and NOT the subtitle. |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
mtompset: don't make semantic decisions |
| 02:36 |
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mtompset |
exactly. |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
if people hide title and not subtitle, then that's their own problem. |
| 02:36 |
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mtompset |
exactly. |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
and maybe they have a reason for it anyway |
| 02:36 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 02:36 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 02:36 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 02:36 |
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mtompset |
I can't think of a reason to hide the title and not the subtitle. |
| 02:36 |
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wizzyrea |
^ |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
mtompset: I can. |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
BRAIN WORMS! |
| 02:36 |
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mtompset |
Really?! |
| 02:37 |
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mtompset |
That doesn't count as a GOOD reason. :P |
| 02:37 |
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eythian |
you didn't ask for a good one |
| 02:37 |
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wizzyrea |
Things I've learned: it doesn't have to be a good reason, it just has to be a reason. |
| 02:37 |
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wizzyrea |
good reasons are better, of course :P |
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mtompset |
but brain worms?! That's not even realistic. :P |
| 02:54 |
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eythian |
I beg to differ. |
| 03:02 |
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mtompset |
URL to a scientific study. :P |
| 03:06 |
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* wizzyrea |
recalls the study where toxoplasmosis makes rates run towards cats, instead of away |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_worm |
| 03:06 |
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wizzyrea |
rats* |
| 03:07 |
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wizzyrea |
not quite a worm, but a parasite. :P |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
toxoplasmosis is the disease |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
Toxoplasma gondii is the parasite |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
just like you are nauseated, instead of nauseous. |
| 03:08 |
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mtompset |
oh shoot! This has side effects. |
| 03:08 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: no, I'm nauseous, you're nauseated :) |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
well I meant it how I said it, but you're right now. ;) |
| 03:09 |
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mtompset |
GetCOinSBiblio -- triggers warnings when there is no 245 field. :) |
| 03:09 |
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wizzyrea |
you, a person, feel nauseated. Something else makes a person feel nauseous. |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
No, something that is nauseous makes someone feel nauseated. |
| 03:10 |
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wizzyrea |
^ that's saying the same thing, I think. |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
I don't think so. |
| 03:10 |
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mtompset |
so is the former an adjective and the other a verb? |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
you can't feel nauseous. |
| 03:10 |
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eythian |
mtompset: I think they're both adjectives |
| 03:10 |
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wizzyrea |
ugh, yes I know! |
| 03:11 |
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wizzyrea |
we're saying the same thing only I'm saying it poorly |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
the nauseous cheese, the nauseated person. |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 03:11 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 03:13 |
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mtompset |
Actually, I think you can feel nauseous, but wouldn't it be like "I think I'm feeling like I cause others to be nauseated"? ;) |
| 03:13 |
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eythian |
yes, that's true :) |
| 03:16 |
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mtompset |
What is GetCOinSBiblio for? |
| 03:17 |
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mtompset |
# COinS format FIXME: for books Only |
| 03:18 |
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mtompset |
<span class="Z3988" title="[% ocoins %]"></span> |
| 03:19 |
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mtompset |
Okay... some other technology which I must not touch. |
| 03:21 |
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eythian |
yeah, coins is a thing people use |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
I think it lets browser plugins scrape a page for biblio daa |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
*data |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
so, e.g., citation managers. |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
I think that's that one, anyway. |
| 03:30 |
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mtompset |
Well, if people do crazy things like hide 254$a, that's going to get floody in the error log. |
| 03:31 |
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eythian |
hmm, it'd be nice if it didn't, if it's an easy fix, I guess. |
| 03:31 |
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eythian |
if it's not an easy fix, then I'd say it's safe to ignore. |
| 03:53 |
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eythian |
do authorities always use DOM? |
| 03:56 |
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dcook |
eythian: I think there's an option but that DOM might've been the default for a while? |
| 03:57 |
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eythian |
I'm trying to figure it out. |
| 03:58 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 03:59 |
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eythian |
I was looking in the template, but not realising that it had variables in there, so my searches weren't working. |
| 03:59 |
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eythian |
silly me |
| 04:10 |
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mtompset |
okay... if I can figure out why XSLT vs. non-XSLT differs in hiding the subtitle, I'll post up my patch. |
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eythian |
you know what we haven't had in a while: test failures when building packages. |
| 04:24 |
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eythian |
I like this. |
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mtompset |
okay... dumb question. |
| 04:35 |
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wahanui |
there are no dumb questions. |
| 04:35 |
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mtompset |
What is the point of fieldmapping vs. marc_subfield_structure? |
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| 04:39 |
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mtompset |
Does anyone actually have anything in their fieldmapping table? |
| 04:40 |
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eythian |
I tend to grep through the code and see where it's being used, in those cases. |
| 04:41 |
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eythian |
I just checked on db and it was empty |
| 04:47 |
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dcook |
mtompset: We use it on our 3.8, but that's for some local stuff that I want to eliminate |
| 04:47 |
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dcook |
Maybe |
| 04:47 |
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dcook |
I'm probably lying |
| 04:47 |
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mtompset |
which is part of my confusion. |
| 04:47 |
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mtompset |
I also noticed I don't have a 254$b in my BKS framework. |
| 04:47 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I think it should have subtitle in it at the very least |
| 04:48 |
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mtompset |
in marc_subfield_structure. |
| 04:48 |
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dcook |
254 or 245? |
| 04:48 |
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wahanui |
255 |
| 04:48 |
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dcook |
Love you too, wahanui |
| 04:48 |
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wahanui |
dcook: i'm not following you... |
| 04:48 |
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mtompset |
I'm pretty sure 254. |
| 04:48 |
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mtompset |
because 254$a is title, and 254$b is subtitle. |
| 04:49 |
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mtompset |
well, remainder of title. |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd254.html |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
$a - Musical presentation statement |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd245.html |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
$a - Title (NR) |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
$b - Remainder of title (NR) |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
:) |
| 04:49 |
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mtompset |
okay, okay... |
| 04:49 |
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mtompset |
I'm lysdexic. :P |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
That said, they should both be there anyway :p |
| 04:59 |
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mtompset |
oh... is anyone else getting a C4::Context modulus error on line 1250? |
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cait |
morning magnuse |
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Bahruz |
good morning |
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mtompset |
Anyone want a quick sign off? :) |
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mtompset |
Could someone else confirm this problem. 3.14.x Koha/List/Patron.pm uses IsSuperLibrarian, but C4/Context.pm does not have that function. |
| 06:08 |
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mtompset |
@later tell gmcharlt Please confirm 3.14.x Koha/List/Patron.pm use of IsSuperLibrarian against C4/Context.pm's lack of that function. bug 10565? Not sure. |
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huginn |
mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.1°C (7:35 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
windchill-- |
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magnuse |
and hiya cait |
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mram3 |
hi everybody |
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mram3 |
it's normal that the script link bibs to authorities runs ok with dom indexing, but not with grs1? |
| 07:25 |
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mram3 |
bareword "geographicsubdiv" it's indexed with dom but not with grs1? , I'm right? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
That is normal. |
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cait |
jcamins: go to sleep. |
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mram3 |
thnk you ¡ |
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jcamins |
GRS-1 indexing can't handle headings. |
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dcook |
Great Scot! |
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dcook |
jcamins: 2:26am? |
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jcamins |
cait: I'm running link_bibs_to_authorities... |
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mram3 |
it was driving me crazy... |
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mram3 |
ok |
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jcamins |
And, errr, finishing my book. |
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cait |
sleep? :) |
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jcamins |
12k records to go. I have some other scripts I want to kick off when this is done. |
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cait |
bbiab |
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cait |
go to sleep jared! |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, reiveune |
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* magnuse |
waves to jcamins and reiveune |
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* dcook |
should go home but is reading about GPG |
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* dcook |
waves to reiveune and magnuse\ |
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* reiveune |
just say "hello" to dcook magnuse rangi kathryn |
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magnuse |
bonojur paul_p |
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magnuse |
s/bonojur/bonjour/ |
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dcook |
Yay! All the way through the GPG user manual! |
| 07:54 |
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dcook |
Outdated but mostly good! |
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magnuse |
dcook: yay! now you just have to start using it? :-) |
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dcook |
Yarp! |
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dcook |
I'm not entirely how best to do that at this point |
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dcook |
I mean...I have a work computer and a home computer which would be two different identities... |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
hi, alex_a |
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dcook |
Well, not necessarily two identities |
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paxed |
is it just me, or is the sample frequency nro 7 wrong? ('1/month', 'month', 1, 1, 7) but [% IF ( subscription_LOO.periodicity7 ) %]3 months |
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dcook |
Mmm, I could just have a subkey on my work computer.. |
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paul_p |
good morning #koha |
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dcook |
bon matin, paul_p |
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paul_p |
hello dcook (in french, we don't say "bon matin", we only have "bonjour" ("good day") and "bonsoir" ("good evening") -in one word- ) |
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paul_p |
and we usually switch from "bonjour" to "bonsoir" when the sun goes down, so the hour depends on the season |
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dcook |
(Interesting! Thanks for the tip :D) |
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Is "bonne nuit" just for when you're about to go to sleep? |
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Joubu |
hi |
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wahanui |
privet, Joubu |
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hello |
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Joubu |
thank you cait for passing qa on 7825! :) |
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cait |
np |
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cait |
hope it's ok and i didn't miss something :) |
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magnuse |
bug 7825 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7825 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Change OPACItemHolds syspref to be of type Choice, choices being "no", "yes", "force" |
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Evening all, who have we got tonight? |
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cait |
hm? :) |
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cait |
hi MrAgent075 |
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hi cait, how's it goin'? |
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cait |
tuesday morning, long to do list :) |
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cait |
how are you doing? |
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MrAgent075 |
I'm doin' alright. Might get back into the work tomorrow - resetting routers a thousand times is not the best thing to sit through... :/ |
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cait |
magnuse++ |
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magnuse |
cait: huh? |
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cait |
email to dev list |
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magnuse |
ah, we get pluses for asking dumb questions? ;-) |
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cait |
pluses for communicating |
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Greetings, #koha. |
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good morning |
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khall++ for answering |
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morning #koha |
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hola tcohen_ |
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hi magnuse ! |
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Hi #koha |
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tcohen |
fridolin? |
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fridolin |
hie all |
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* cait |
waves |
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* druthb |
waves |
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tcohen |
hi cait druthb |
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tcohen |
druthb: did my email reach koha-translate? |
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cait |
the one about arabic? |
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cait |
i saw something form you |
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druthb |
tcohen: yup! |
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tcohen |
good |
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tcohen |
its just that I expected being flooded by answers heh |
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druthb |
The Arabic community for Koha is not large, partly because of issues like that one. Give it a little time. |
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druthb |
a hunt through the archives for Karam might get his address, and you could write him directly. |
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magnuse |
i think i found a problem at the intersection of DBIC and koha-gitify: https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify/issues/7 |
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magnuse |
no time for proper testing at the moment, though |
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tcohen |
cait: there are 32 strings to translate in german 3.12 |
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cait |
that's not much :) |
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cait |
i amon it |
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druthb |
super-cait! |
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tcohen |
portuguese translator? |
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mtompset |
Karam? He's trying to link to me on LinkedIn. ;) |
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tcohen |
Joubu: steps to reproduce? |
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wahanui |
steps to reproduce are on comment 1 |
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Joubu |
tcohen: I applied yours patches, launch a search and... that's all |
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tcohen |
UNIMARC grs-1? |
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tcohen |
or DOM? |
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wahanui |
DOM is the answer... |
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Joubu |
tcohen: grs1 |
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Joubu |
unimarc |
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tcohen |
http://snag.gy/LdI8f.jpg |
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cait |
translations are all done :) |
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druthb |
cait++ |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
@most increased |
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huginn |
druthb: "gmcharlt": 18, "cait": 11, "oleonard": 9, "rangi": 8, "khall": 5, "magnuse": 5, "jcamins": 5, "tcohen": 5, "eythian": 5, "Joubu": 4, "petter": 3, "francesca": 3, "community": 3, "fridolin": 3, "davidnind": 3, "wizzyrea": 3, "druthb": 3, "ashimema": 3, "paul_p": 2, "ebegin": 2, "MrAgent075": 2, "pianohacker": 2, "jatara": 2, "*+++++++++": 1, and "davidtennant": 1 |
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fridolin |
see you |
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mtompset |
YAY! I'm not on the hit list of blame. ;) |
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mtompset |
ARG! Just when I thought I was good... [ view plain ] has to come along! |
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mtompset |
How do I turn the contents of marcxml into a MARC::Record? |
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mtompset |
(and vice versa) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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Joubu |
mtompset: MARC::Record->new_from_xml ? |
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JesseM |
Hello |
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Bahruz |
hi all |
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Joubu |
hi / bye :) |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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waves |
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* mtompset |
struggles to stay away. |
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mtompset |
stay AWAKE. |
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druthb |
lolz |
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mtompset |
Just caught the tail portion of a meeting online. |
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mtompset |
oh come on! I hide 0,3,5, and 8! |
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* mtompset |
yells at his VM. |
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* oleonard |
shakes his walking stick menacingly at mtompset's VM |
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mtompset |
Try something crazy... uncheck the visibility for 0,3,5, and 8. |
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mtompset |
Then go look at opac-MARCdetail for that framework. |
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mtompset |
click [ view plain] |
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mtompset |
Still shows! |
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oleonard |
Is this surprising because you simply expect things to work or because the script appears to be written such that it should work? |
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mtompset |
I've been fixing this whole hiding mess. |
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mtompset |
I hid everything for this one record I'm looking at. |
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mtompset |
except 999$c, 999$d, and 245$b. |
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mtompset |
I suppose the conversion from MARC::Record back to MARCXML probably creates those. |
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magnuse |
sounds like something gmcharlt would know :-) |
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mtompset |
oh... perhaps I have to code the @ trick. |
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magnuse |
mtompset scores an 'at-trick! |
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* druthb |
rolls her eyes. |
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* magnuse |
watches druthb's eyes rolling past his desk |
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druthb |
lol |
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mtompset |
Sorry... only a partial @ trick. |
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mtompset |
Still working on the LEADER field. ;) |
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mtompset |
But that was it. :) |
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mtompset |
I'm going to give up on trying to hide the leader record. |
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mtompset |
I got everything else workings, as far as I know. |
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mtompset |
I mean leader field. |
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rhcl |
@seen bag |
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rhcl |
huggin? |
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wahanui |
i think huggin is a bot |
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rhcl |
yea, well, where is (s)he? |
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rhcl |
@wunder 64507 |
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rhcl |
d* bot is off on a bender somewhere |
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tcohen |
@seen Joubu |
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wizzyrea |
you will note that huginn is not in the user list at the moment. |
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wizzyrea |
ping gmcharlt, when you have a moment, huginn needs a kick :) |
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tcohen |
oh, thanks wizzyrea |
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pablito |
hi all |
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pablito |
my koha 3.14 doesn't send overdue messages to patrons |
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pablito |
the triggers are setup |
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pablito |
but the process table is not populated |
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wizzyrea |
Does anyone out there have a (hopefully nice) comment about the work the academy kids did? |
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wizzyrea |
hehe. |
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wizzyrea |
there he is! |
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rhcl |
bum |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009) |
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rhcl |
@seen bag |
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huginn |
rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 34 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: * bag makes a loud banging noise |
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wizzyrea |
pablito: I'm going to guess you have the cron jobs set up? |
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pablito |
the overdue.pl is already setup by default |
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pablito |
wizzyrea: now, I try to run that script manually and it gives me this error: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 372. |
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pablito |
Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 797. |
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eythian |
pablito: how have you installed Koha? |
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wizzyrea |
also wb gmcharlt |
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pablito |
eythian: I did apt-get install koha-common in Ubuntu |
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eythian |
OK |
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eythian |
do you have email configured on your server. |
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eythian |
? |
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pablito |
that's the thing, I remember ever setting up the email server for Koha |
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pablito |
I DON'T remember ... |
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pablito |
it didn't ask me to setup the email server |
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wizzyrea |
why oh why do we still allow the DB user to log in to the regular staff client. Why. WHY. |
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pablito |
wizzyrea: ??? |
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wizzyrea |
it's not related to you ;) |
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wizzyrea |
unless you are loggin in as the database user. In which case, don't do that. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: because if you didn't, you couldn't create a user. |
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wizzyrea |
logging* |
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wizzyrea |
then there needs to be another mechanism for that. |
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eythian |
it's also very handy for nipping in and tweaking a syspref |
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wizzyrea |
I agree that it's handy for power users. |
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eythian |
pablito: have a look at a user that should have got an email, see if it's in there and marked as sent. |
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wizzyrea |
for people who know better than to circ with that account. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: There is a big screamy warning now, don't know if it works though. |
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wizzyrea |
it doesn't |
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wizzyrea |
bug 11590 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11590 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Librarian able to checkout item without setting branch first |
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wizzyrea |
GIANT WARNING ... does it anyway. |
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eythian |
pablito: if it says it has sent, then you probably have a misconfigured mail server on your system. |
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pablito |
eythian: where do I check for the message or the status "sent"? |
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tcohen_ |
pablito: apt-cache policy postfix |
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eythian |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ninformation.html <-- pablito, section 9.7 |
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* eythian |
wishes you could link to sections |
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pablito |
tcohen_: Here's what I got after running that command: |
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pablito |
postfix: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.9.6-1~12.04.1 Version table: 2.9.6-1~12.04.1 0 500 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages 2.9.1-4 0 500 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: that's also part of the reason we never give out the database passwords, so end users _shouldn't_ be able to do that. Also, giving out database passwords strikes me as a terrible idea. |
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pablito |
eythian: hmm, sect 9.7 it doesn't really tell me how to get to the message list |
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wizzyrea |
having the login be the db password seems like a bad idea to me :/ |
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wizzyrea |
at all, ever. |
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wizzyrea |
except maybe for upgrades. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: it's how you configure things |
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eythian |
pablito: it's the notices tab on the left hand side when you're viewing a user. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I'm thinking of a mechanism by which you add a user and define your first library at install time |
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wizzyrea |
add a user, define your first library, and your first circ rule. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: it'd make life a lot harder for us |
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pablito |
eythian: ah, I saw that there was no message. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: because now we have no sure way of logging in ever |
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wizzyrea |
right, I thought of that as well - which could lead to things like a "vendor mode" which has a pre-defined login added as part of the koha-sites or something |
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eythian |
and then someone deletes it or something. |
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eythian |
dollars to doughnuts it'll just cause people to get stuck, and piles of questions asking how to log in the first time. |
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wizzyrea |
yep, it would have to be undeletable |
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wizzyrea |
ok, for arguments sake |
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wizzyrea |
wordpress requires a user be defined by the person installing at install time |
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wizzyrea |
it comes with a default username, highly suggesting you change it |
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wizzyrea |
allows the user to set the password then |
| 22:15 |
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wizzyrea |
it's an ok workflow, I think |
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eythian |
yeah, but we need a separation between "users we have" and "users they have" so that they can't lock us out. |
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wizzyrea |
right, I think that falls into what I might think of as "vendor mode" |
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wizzyrea |
rather like the wordpress multisites, a user of a site can't delete the administrator of the overall site |
| 22:17 |
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gmcharlt |
spitballing -- is "you must give us shell access on request in order to support you" a solution for you? |
| 22:18 |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: no, because we have shell access :) but often need to log in to flip a syspref or something. The easy way of doing that is to look up the password in koha-conf and log in using that to do it. |
| 22:18 |
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gmcharlt |
especially since it might solve the following problem from the user's POV: "my vendor has somehow gotten their internal database of credentials compromised, and I want to change all the passwords until they sort it out" |
| 22:19 |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: indeed, that's the easy way ;) |
| 22:20 |
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gmcharlt |
possibly an obvious step forward: even if we keep a koha-conf.xml-defined superlibrarian account, there is zero reason why it *has* to be based on the DB credentials |
| 22:21 |
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gmcharlt |
it can just be a username and password |
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eythian |
There is an issue with having a default database user like some install guides show, as it's hard to change and easy for someone to figure out. |
| 22:21 |
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gmcharlt |
although -- convenience aside -- it really ought to be hashed |
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wizzyrea |
^ is kind of what I was thinking, a user added by koha-sites, and possibly flagged as undeletable |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
password randomly generated |
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wizzyrea |
different from the db user |
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eythian |
a similar option would be to have a user/pw in there that maps to a specially flagged user in the db that can't be deleted. |
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eythian |
if it is deleted, then it falls back into the current partially broken mode to allow you to recover it. |
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wizzyrea |
I guess you can't guarantee that your first user won't be deleted if you say, truncate borrowers. |
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wizzyrea |
but wp would have the same issue. I've never tried it |
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eythian |
yeah exactly |
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wizzyrea |
idk what it does there. |
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wizzyrea |
I suspect it would be massively broken and you'd have to do gymnastics to get out of that situation |
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gmcharlt |
there has to be *some* point where one just sighs, and fires up koha-mysql ;) |
| 22:24 |
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wizzyrea |
well and if the #1 user doesn't exist |
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wizzyrea |
why wouldn't it just prompt you to create a new one? |
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eythian |
then anyone could just create an admin user |
| 22:25 |
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wizzyrea |
or "go set a variable in your conf to allow creation of a new user" |
| 22:25 |
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eythian |
(assuming it got deleted) |
| 22:25 |
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wizzyrea |
that's kind of like koha-mysql, you can do anything if you have sudo on the server |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
honestly it could go on the way it is, it's just... it seems it could be better. clearly the warning isn't being heeded. |
| 22:26 |
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* dcook |
whilst stumbling upon this conversation : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4 |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
(actually I just a couple of weeks ago had a library that was using the DB user systematically as their only staff account.) |
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dcook |
(O_O) |
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wizzyrea |
it might have worked ok in 3.2, but 3.14? yea, naw, that won't really do. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: not one of ours I hope? |
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wizzyrea |
not one on our servers, no. |
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eythian |
that's why I'd be quite happy to turn off things like the circ function. And/or having an overlay that you have to click through on the main screen that tells you why you're a bad person for doing this. |
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wizzyrea |
THIS IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD. |
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dcook |
^ |
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wizzyrea |
to be fair, most places catch you if you try to do something that say, requires a branch |
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wizzyrea |
like circ. |
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wizzyrea |
this one spot, didn't |
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wizzyrea |
but I feel that's enabling people to do the thing we don't want them to do |
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eythian |
well, that's not hte whole problem. Not having a borrower account can cause problems. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, there's bad all over the place with the DB user. |
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wizzyrea |
probably instead of prompting to select a branch, we should just take them to the add user page. :P With giant red arrows "TICK HERE. AND HERE. AND DO THIS." |
| 22:31 |
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wizzyrea |
that's probably overkill ;) |
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eythian |
well, it's also good should someone do something with a syspref that locks them out or something |
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eythian |
I'd think blocking access to anything other than admin, borrowers, and so forth would be good. Along with a message saying why they're not available. |
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wizzyrea |
either way, what started this whole thing was someone doing something they were told not to, then marking it critical. :P |
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wizzyrea |
that's like reading the law, breaking it anyway, then being mad at the people who wrote the law. |
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wizzyrea |
because they let you break ti. |
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wizzyrea |
fortunately, we are in the lovely position of rigidly defining the law so that it can't be broken. :P |
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cjh |
magnuse: just replied to your github koha-gitify issue :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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rhcl |
waves |
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* eythian |
calms |
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rhcl |
calms waves? |
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eythian |
well everyone else was waving, but it's not very windy outside. |
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rhcl |
ah, compare - contrast |
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cait |
:) |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: there seems to be a versioning issue with MARC-XML 1.0.2, debian things are seeing it as 1..2. |
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eythian |
I can work around it, and don't know where it's coming from, so just fyi |
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gmcharlt |
noted, thanks |
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eythian |
libmarc-xml-perl packages updated. |
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