IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-20

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02:34 dcook Quick question if anyone is around...
02:34 dcook If you're testing a patch and something is wrong, do you fail it or sign off with a follow-up fix?
03:01 rangi[…]aland/2014p051675
03:01 rangi felt that
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03:04 dcook Apparently, I've had earthquakes happen around me, but I've only known because I was told afterward. How might that feel?
03:04 dcook 6.3 that is?
03:31 dcook hehe
03:31 dcook "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding."
03:49 dcook rangi: When might the bug count on the dashboard turn yellow/green?
03:51 dcook All things considered...Koha is actually rather impressive. We might have quite a few bugs to sign off, but the oldest is from October 24th. That's not even 3 months ago.
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04:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:24 mtompset dcook: I just commented on one of your bugs. ;)
04:27 dcook Cool. Which one?
04:27 mtompset 11575
04:28 mtompset see also bug 6800
04:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, CLOSED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better
04:29 dcook Yes, I already wrote that in the first comment.
04:30 dcook I think it makes more sense to use the system preference, as we use it elsewhere in Koha.
04:32 mtompset If we handled proxies properly, I would think that using the URL directly would make more sense. ;)
04:32 mtompset But since we don't, I agree that using the system preference makes more sense.
04:43 dcook Perhaps. I think that we would need to check through Koha and see why we're using the system preference instead, so that we don't spit out links with two different URLs
04:52 mtompset hey, do you have any brilliant thoughts on how to get the framework code or biblionumber if you only have a MARC record?
04:55 mtompset I don't want to have to edit a whole bunch of files to add another parameter, but it is looking like I may have to do that. :(
04:58 dcook I would say...
04:58 dcook first question?
04:58 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
05:02 mtompset make opac-detail hide the same things that opac-MARCdetail hides.
05:03 mtompset The problem is GetMarcSubjects, GetMarcNotes, etc. don't check the hidden field in marc_subfield_structure.
05:03 mtompset They grab directly from the koha fields.
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05:05 mtompset So, in order to hide things properly, I may need to pass the biblionumber to those calls, so I can grab the correct hidden field.
05:06 mtompset And then use that in those functions to filter out what shouldn't be shown. :)
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05:06 mtompset Greetings, cait.
05:10 cait hi mtompset
05:12 mtompset Well, better sleep now.
05:13 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook cait. :)
05:20 dcook hey cait
05:34 cait hi dcook
05:34 cait i wanted to add it to your bug but forgot
05:34 cait there had been some discussion about opacbaseurl on irc
05:34 cait because i ran into a problem with the cart/list emails there
05:34 dcook Oh?
05:35 cait bug 5010
05:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
05:36 cait when i worked on this
05:36 cait galen suggested doing a pref then
05:36 cait haven't taken a closer look at oyur patches yet I am afraid :(
05:37 dcook Mine uses the system preference if it is set. If it isn't set, it uses the SERVER_NAME
05:38 dcook Although if I had been smarter, I would've done it like this
05:38 dcook 1) system preference 2) if no, syspref - check for http_forwarded_x_host 3) if no http_forwarded_x_host - server_name
05:38 cait not sure if it'ssmarter
05:38 cait part of the discussion was about multibranchsetups
05:39 cait with different opac urls
05:39 cait i think
05:39 dcook I think you mentioned them being able to use apache config to do that
05:40 cait I am not sure i get all the ifs thens that are needed here - that's why I chose my solution and didn't clean it up totally :)
05:42 cait aah
05:42 cait dcook: i think the main problem was fnding the right opac url from staff
05:42 cait because we are using links to the opac in the list and cart email and on the opac detail screen i think
05:42 cait[…]3-12-09#i_1435556
05:42 cait staff detail
05:43 dcook Sorry what line am I looking for?
05:44 dcook OPACBaseURL is a bit of a mess..
05:44 cait sorry i am confusing :)
05:44 cait yes it is
05:44 cait it drove me nuts trying to fix the stupid links
05:44 cait cait: one issue re your last comment -- constructing a base URL using $ENV{'SERVER_NAME'} from the *staff* interface won't necessarily give the correct result
05:44 cait that's hwat galen said
05:45 dcook "we acutally have links into the opac for the intranet mails as well"
05:45 dcook I've been thinking about that as well
05:45 dcook I imagine there might be other cases where we use OPACBaseURL without a http request
05:45 cait hm why without a http request?
05:46 cait sorry, i am really confusing here
05:46 dcook No, not at all
05:46 cait but i thoguth maybe the discussion had some interesting bits for you
05:46 dcook You're probably right
05:46 cait and hoping someone might finally sign off my patch or improve it :)
05:46 dcook Just if there's a time where a cronjob is generating a value for OPACBaseURL, but I don't know if that would happen
05:47 cait hm i think we don't have that yet
05:47 dcook Well, I know I don't like Maxime's solution
05:47 cait but it seems that when the intranet files generate a url into the opac it's also a bit complicated
05:47 dcook Hardcoding http isn't a good idea
05:47 cait yeah that's why i did the alternative patches
05:47 cait as another proposal how to solve it
05:47 cait not in a perfect way tho.. but maybe improving it some for now
05:48 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure
05:49 dcook I'd probably prefer to use CGI's https() method rather than a system preference
05:49 dcook Then again, with a proxy, that could be a problem too
05:49 dcook Although there might be a forwarded value for that as well..
05:49 cait dcook: but would that work if you try to determine the OPAC uses https from the intranet?
05:50 cait i imagine it woudl just tell you if the staff odes use httsp
05:50 dcook Mmm, that's true
05:51 dcook I keep forgetting about that crossing over from the intranet to the opac
05:52 cait as you said... it's messy
05:52 dcook I wonder how much interrogation of the apache config could be done
05:53 dcook I suppose some people might have SSL mostly set up without actually using it though..
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07:02 cait @later tell ashimema - I think bug 11519 is a duplicate to your development, but I can't find the bug, maybe you can?
07:02 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
07:05 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa (Rising).
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07:08 * magnuse waves
07:09 magnuse @wunder boo
07:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:09 magnuse nice...
07:09 cait ah
07:10 cait finally a real winter?
07:10 magnuse hehe yeah
07:10 magnuse almost too real ;-)
07:10 cait it's supposed to get colder here now too
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07:12 cait morning ashimema
07:12 cait i was thinking about you like 5 minutes ago :)
07:12 ashimema that was quck cait.. my computer hasn't fully started yet..
07:13 ashimema :)
07:13 ashimema glad to know i'm in your thoughts ;)
07:14 cait always ;)
07:14 ashimema what bugs?
07:14 wahanui somebody said bugs was http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release
07:15 ashimema looks like huggin just caught up ;)
07:16 cait i think i was thnking about 10477
07:17 cait bug 10477
07:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, Failed QA , Increased flexibility for upload of Staged MARC records
07:23 magnuse hm, what happened to ?
07:23 cait bbiab
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07:40 reiveune hello
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07:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune paul_p paul_p_
07:49 reiveune salut magnuse :)
07:49 paul_p_ I don't understand why 3 xirc are opening when I switch my computer ON...
07:49 paul_p_ 'morning #koha
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07:50 gaetan_B hello
07:50 alex_a bonjour
07:50 wahanui what's up, alex_a
07:52 magnuse paul_p_: to help you be 3x more effective? ;-)
07:53 reiveune gaetan_B: salut, tu me tiens au courant pour chaillot stp
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07:58 cait good morning #koha
07:59 magnuse kia ora cait
08:00 cait hi magnus :)
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08:09 Joubu hello
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08:57 nlegrand Hey #koha
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09:10 cait hi nlegrand
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09:11 petter good day koha!
09:11 cait god morgen petter
09:11 petter hi kathrin
09:11 cait oh please no h :)
09:12 petter sorry!
09:12 petter katrin
09:12 cait perfect :)
09:12 cait just one of my pet peeves... people keep adding that extra letter all the time
09:14 petter I'll never do it again!
09:14 petter I promise
09:14 cait heh thx :)
09:16 cait ah and btw... we need more sign offs people...
09:16 cait or qa will run out of things to qa soon ;)
09:27 petter cait: I'm on it!
09:27 cait :)
09:27 petter Speaking of
09:27 petter There are many patches that changes the database, run
09:27 petter sp
09:27 petter so
09:27 petter Is there an automated way to roll back changes?
09:27 cait hm not yet
09:28 petter Or do I have to manually dump the database and import it after
09:28 petter oh, too bad
09:28 cait what i do is a mysqldump if i have a structural change to test
09:28 cait and reload the database after my test
09:28 petter Would help speed up the process
09:28 cait for sysprefs i mostly leave them in or delete them manually
09:28 cait i think it woudl be really hard in some cases to provide an undo
09:29 petter I was just thinking of a script to automat dumb and import
09:29 petter like koha-db-set-restore-point
09:29 petter and
09:29 petter koha-db-restore
09:29 cait hmnot sure, maybe something in the packages could
09:29 petter Maybe I should stop complaining and start do it myself!
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09:31 cait petter: i think writing a script for your personal use is probably quite easy, a general solution might be a bit harder
09:33 petter yes you're right
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09:35 Yaxh Hi, I am Yaxh :) new to koha...
09:36 cait hi Yaxh
09:37 petter hi Yaxh
09:37 petter welcome
09:37 * magnuse started on a testing script once, but have not been maintaining it:[…]b/master/testkoha
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09:49 magnuse koha in occitan - very cool!
09:50 cait :)
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10:45 paul_p "hackfest in Marseille" officially announced and registration open :[…]st-marseille-2014 !
10:54 magnuse paul_p++
11:02 cait paul_p++
11:04 paul_p magnuse & cait = now, I'm waiting for YOUR registration ;-)
11:07 cait paul_p: I woudl love to attend, but I don't know yet if i can
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11:25 cait hm the koha mailing list archive still seems down :(
11:25 cait
11:29 cait hm katipo's website seems also not working well
11:32 magnuse oops
11:38 gaetan_B hmmm  there's a confition where the accordion for editing subfields in the framework structure is misbehaving but i can't characterize it yet
11:38 gaetan_B has anyone else seen this ?
11:39 gaetan_B once i want to unfold advanced constraints everything gets hidden, and i can't unhide any, the headers are still there, clicking on them activates them
11:39 gaetan_B but the content doesn't unfold
11:42 gaetan_B maybe it's linked to bug 11570
11:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQueryUI to latest version in the staff client
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11:58 tcohen morning #koha
12:00 tcohen cait++ # such a good qa manager
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12:06 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
12:07 tcohen hi magnuse
12:07 wahanui hi magnuse are you spending much time in oslo?
12:08 tcohen do u plan to hack on the apache 2.4 bug?
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12:09 tcohen i ask just because I'll be busy for some days on bug 11096
12:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra
12:10 magnuse tcohen: not really - i don't think i would know how to move existing installations from no .conf to .conf extension
12:10 tcohen the way to solve it is to "fallback" to non .conf for old setups
12:11 tcohen if you happen to plan working on that just let me know
12:12 tcohen i'll do it otherwise as soon as I finish working on that bug
12:13 tcohen gmcharlt: do u know of anyone that can write UNIMARC unit tests?
12:17 magnuse i'll be working full speed on bug 11401 for the next week, so you'll probably beat me to it (which is a good thing, since i would be fairly clueless about the fallback strategy too...)
12:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card
12:19 tcohen magnuse: that's great
12:25 tcohen jcamins: r u around?
12:26 tcohen #koha: anyone with UNIMARC knowledge around?
12:35 tcohen *+++++++++++/*
12:35 cait tcohen: glad you are not grumpy :)
12:35 tcohen sorry for that, they where just cleaning my desk and pushed some keys
12:38 tcohen cait: i need to write regression tests for UNIMARC searches
12:38 tcohen and know nothing about UNIMARC
12:50 cait hm not sure it needs to be very specific
12:51 cait there are records in the sandbox sample database
12:51 cait i use those :)
12:51 cait you could just 'blow up' one of those records maybe
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13:13 cait tcohen: you can download the sandbox databaess from git
13:14 tcohen where?
13:16 tcohen sandboxes?
13:16 wahanui it has been said that sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha
13:16 tcohen sandboxes?
13:16 wahanui sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha
13:18 cait tcohen: it#s on our git
13:18 tcohen koha.git?
13:18 cait[…]d4282be80922cb457
13:19 tcohen thanks cait
13:28 * tcohen is gettting grumpy
13:28 tcohen my dev setup fr UNIMARC using GRS-1 for biblios
13:29 tcohen seems to give me an error "Record syntax not supported"
13:31 magnuse tcohen: did you set marcflavour = unimarc?
13:31 magnuse (the marcflavour syspref, that is)
13:34 tcohen magnuse: thanks, but I'm using a default setup (choosing unimarc in the right places)
13:35 tcohen and right now, my problem is talking to zebra using yaz-client
13:35 magnuse ah, ok
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13:51 tcohen joubu
13:52 tcohen Joubu: around?
13:53 Joubu tcohen: yep
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15:08 cait ie--
15:08 cait grr.
15:31 * tcohen needs more coffee so he can focus on UNIMARC unit tests...
15:38 alex_a cait++
15:38 tcohen need a UNIMARCguru... pleaseeeeee
15:44 tcohen free croisants for the volunteers? :-P
15:54 gaetan_B tcohen: is it a question that could be answered in a few minutes ?
15:54 tcohen yes
15:55 tcohen can u provide me a full koha - marc mapping?
15:55 gaetan_B hmmm yes
15:55 tcohen the default is lacking several items
15:55 gaetan_B there should be one in the install files actually
15:55 gaetan_B ok, we actually recycle it in different ways depending on the customer's wishes
15:55 tcohen booksellerid, cn_source, cn_sort and so on
15:56 tcohen so there's is no complete default
15:56 gaetan_B but maybe we could make the default more complete indeed
15:56 tcohen I need at least something more complete so I can make proper unit tests for unimarc
15:57 tcohen no need for a patch for me, just information, so I can write tests for 11096
15:59 tcohen where do u live gaetan_B?
15:59 gaetan_B tcohen: paris :)
16:00 gaetan_B i'm reading the bz in order to get what it is about
16:00 tcohen so, maybe I can actually give you the croissant
16:00 gaetan_B ooh
16:00 gaetan_B where are you ?
16:00 tcohen argentina
16:00 wahanui argentina is in for kohacon13
16:00 gaetan_B :D
16:00 gaetan_B that's one very far croissant
16:00 tcohen but will be in paris in a couple of month, for a few days thou
16:00 gaetan_B aaah
16:01 cait tcohen: intall french sample files
16:01 tcohen =)
16:02 cait i think they are the most complete
16:02 tcohen ok cait, will give it a try
16:02 gaetan_B tcohen: do cn_source and cn_sort really need to be linked to some unimarc fields ?
16:03 tcohen i'm not sure gaetan_B, i know nothing about UNIMARC
16:03 gaetan_B damn tcohen you're right it seems
16:03 gaetan_B it should be mapped to something for callnumber sorting to work
16:04 tcohen as cait said, maybe we expect people using UNIMARC use it in french
16:04 gaetan_B there's no mapping in the defaults for french eitehr
16:05 tcohen will u fill a bug for this?
16:08 gaetan_B tcohen: i think i should
16:09 gaetan_B since it means callnumber sorting is broken out of the in unimarc
16:09 gaetan_B tcohen: what are the other mappings that are missing for your tests ?
16:10 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "UNIMARC mappings" (35 lines) at
16:10 tcohen the empty ones are the ones missing, I'm not sur eif they are needed or not
16:11 tcohen this are the mappings that MARC21 unit tests set
16:11 tcohen I want to replicate for UNIMARC so we can have decent Unit Tests for UNIMARC
16:11 gaetan_B are items subfields normalized in marc21 ? (they are not in unimarc, there is only a "recommandation")
16:12 tcohen disclaimer: I migth be all wrong, but have good will on improving things
16:12 tcohen gaetan_B: this fields have default mappings in MARC21 as they do in UNIMARC
16:13 tcohen and can be changed of course to match some library's needs
16:13 tcohen a good default should be enough for both the users and the tests
16:13 gaetan_B what i mean is a lot of these fields are not mapped by default because they don't match any standard
16:13 gaetan_B that's not a good reason not to set up something by default in koha though
16:15 tcohen i'm not sure what to say, gaetan_B. I guess I could just leave them as they are now and start looking what is broken in a default UNIMARC setup...
16:15 tcohen that'd be a good thing actually
16:18 gaetan_B tcohen: ok let's create a bz for this, something like "bette defaults for unimarc items mapping"
16:18 gaetan_B cn_sort, damaged are issues
16:18 gaetan_B but we might as well fiw a few more things on the way
16:19 gaetan_B i'm creating it tcohen
16:19 gaetan_B i am afraid this is not going to sort your problem though :)
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17:04 reiveune bye
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18:22 gaetan_B bye !
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18:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:33 druthb hi, mtompset. :)
18:34 mtompset Does anyone have a framework defined where tagfield=773 or 461 have a defined kohafield value in marc_subfield_structure?
18:34 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
18:34 tcohen 461 is for unimarc?
18:34 mtompset yes.
18:35 mtompset I don't really care which.
18:35 mtompset I just want to know what the kohafield value is supposed to be.
18:35 mtompset I'm looking at GetMarcHosts()
18:36 tcohen maybe use print p($kohafield) ? :-P
18:36 mtompset I would like to grab the proper marc_subfield_structure record, such that I can look at hidden.
18:36 mtompset tcohen: I looked at my DB and they are all blank or NULL.
18:37 mtompset That doesn't really help me write nice generic code.
18:37 tcohen im' sorry mtompset, i'm deadlocked here with other stuff
18:37 mtompset Not a problem.
18:38 mtompset Perhaps I'll just ignore that one for now, and keep going. :)
18:39 * tcohen always tries to keep going
18:40 tcohen druthb: question on internationalization
18:40 mtompset No questions. just do it! ;)
18:40 druthb ask, tcohen.
18:40 druthb mtompset:  don't make me get the pointy stick out!
18:40 tcohen facets show "Label (number of records)"
18:41 tcohen and if it is right to left they are broken
18:41 mtompset Sorry, I believe gmcharlt fried them, last I checked. :P
18:41 tcohen something like ") Label number of records)"
18:41 magnuse fried facets? yum!
18:41 mtompset no... fried the pointy sticks.
18:42 druthb color me unsurprised, tcohen.  RTL display generally doesn't cope well with parens and other punctuation.
18:42 druthb could be something dodgy in the po, though.
18:42 tcohen is it ok to show them the same as left-to-right?
18:42 druthb I would think so, yes.  Might want to confirm that with an actual RTL speaker.
18:42 tcohen I think they can be fixed wrapping each thing in a span
18:42 druthb mtompset:  I'm a woodworker.  Plenty of sticks.
18:42 tcohen label & count of course
18:43 tcohen just need to know if that's how it is supposed to show
18:43 druthb tcohen, that might well fix it for you, using a pair of spans.
18:43 druthb I would expect (#) Label
18:43 tcohen if it is mixed with LTR facets too?
18:44 druthb yeah, I'd think so.  The layout would look tidier, certainly.
18:44 druthb And when I was dealing with Arabic readers, I found that *even in English*, they like stuff flush-right more often than not.
18:45 tcohen oh
18:45 tcohen I use an english template, with mixed RTL and LTR facets
18:46 tcohen haven't tried how bad does an RTL template show this
18:46 druthb The text within a string might be either way, depending on what it's written in, of course.  But an overall RTL layout seems to make things smoother for RTL-centric readers.
18:47 druthb When I was *in* Jordan, we had a number of crash-test dummies for that sort of thing; Ihab would call in one of the office folks, and we'd say, "does this make sense?"
18:50 tcohen yes druth, i'd be great to ask them
18:51 tcohen how should facets show in both RTL and LTR contexts, for RTL labels and counts
18:51 tcohen once we know that, we can fix it :-D
18:52 tcohen i filled bug 11117 after hearing you in reno :-D
18:52 druthb I would assume that semi-random Arabs would be kind of scarce in your part of Argentina.
18:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Right to left text in facets + facet count = mixed text
18:53 tcohen indeed
18:53 tcohen oh, the screenshot I attached in the bug looks better than I thought :-P
18:54 druthb I would kick it out to the koha-translate list, perhaps, and ask for some Arabic input.  Karam Qubsi used to be a member of that list, and was willing to talk about such things.
18:55 tcohen ok, I'll ask about this on the list, please help me if they are not too responsive :-D
18:55 druthb :P
18:55 * tcohen loves lobbying
18:57 * druthb hunts for a way to blame cait, but fails.
18:57 * druthb blames cait anyway
18:58 * tcohen knows cait had a hard day today. Will blame her tomorrow
18:59 druthb fair 'nuf.
18:59 * druthb blames talljoy instead
19:02 * tcohen halts digging into UNIMARC unit tests assuming the problem is on the tests NOT UNIMARC related
19:02 tcohen bye felllows, bbl
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19:14 smrt is it possible to run a php based website on the same port as koha just in a different directory?
19:16 mtompset That's what name based virtual hosts are about in Apache, aren't they?
19:18 smrt oh so i can just put two different virtual hosts in with the same port?
19:19 smrt with a different document root?
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19:33 mtompset As far as I know, yes.
19:33 mtompset but the NAME has to be different.
19:34 mtompset YAY! I think I have it.
19:34 mtompset I think I have hiding mostly working correctly.
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19:34 magnuse heh, gmail keeps giving me ads for holidays in nz. sigh...
19:36 smrt ok thanks. and happy holidays?
19:37 * mtompset laughs.
19:38 mtompset Lucky you, magnuse. ;)
19:38 * magnuse wishes he could say "gmail keeps giving me holidays in nz"
19:39 * magnuse has an empty inbox and runs away from his computer before it starts filling up again
19:39 * mtompset smirks.
19:40 mtompset Don't we all want holidays? :)
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19:51 Bahruz hi all
19:53 Bahruz i need help about
19:53 Bahruz koha
19:54 mtompset Wow... that's useful.
19:54 * mtompset grumbles.
19:54 mtompset OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay --- GRRRR.
19:54 Bahruz joined #koha
19:54 Bahruz i need support with money
19:55 Bahruz
19:55 Bahruz it's my mail
19:55 Bahruz plz help me my friends
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19:56 * cait waves
19:56 Bahruz i'm waiting
19:59 mtompset Bahruz: you don't even state what you need help with.
20:00 Bahruz i installed koha 3.14.00
20:00 mtompset And?
20:01 Bahruz when i'm trying add biblio record Software error:
20:01 Bahruz Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2507.
20:01 Bahruz i dont know what i must do?
20:01 mtompset Bahruz, are you logged in as the system user or as a superlibrarian that you created after installing?
20:02 Bahruz i created user as superlibrarian permisson
20:02 mtompset And then you logged in as that user?
20:02 Bahruz yea
20:02 mtompset And then did you create libraries?
20:03 Bahruz yes
20:03 Bahruz i installed koha for our university library
20:03 mtompset And patron categories?
20:03 wahanui patron categories is probably using a different template plugin, isn't it?
20:03 mtompset wahanui: forget and patron categories
20:03 wahanui mtompset, I didn't have anything matching and patron categories
20:03 mtompset wahanui: forget patron categories
20:03 wahanui mtompset: I forgot patron categories
20:04 mtompset and all the other things you need to set up by default?
20:04 Bahruz i used "root" patron category for my user
20:05 mtompset Okay, so you did all this default setup stuff.
20:05 mtompset Then what did you do?
20:06 cait did you change the default frameworks?
20:06 Bahruz i created new unimarc framework
20:06 cait and did you create a patron category with the name root?
20:06 cait oh unimarc
20:06 cait what language did you install koha in?
20:06 Bahruz and tried add biblio recod
20:06 Bahruz in english
20:06 cait where ar you located?
20:07 Bahruz in Azerbaijan
20:07 cait hm
20:07 cait are libraries in azerbaijan generally using unimarc?
20:07 Bahruz yea
20:07 cait aah
20:07 cait I didn't knwo that
20:08 cait a lot of countries are using marc21
20:08 Bahruz cait, are you librarian?
20:08 cait yes
20:09 cait my guess is, that it could be a mistake in the english frameworks
20:09 cait the french, mostly used, frameworks are sligthly different afaik
20:09 cait could you try administration > test bibliographic framework?
20:09 Bahruz that's why
20:09 cait and how did you create the new framework?
20:09 Bahruz i tried use default framework
20:09 Bahruz but the same error i saw
20:10 Bahruz Software error:
20:10 Bahruz Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2507.
20:10 cait hm yes
20:10 cait could you run the test on the administration page?
20:11 Bahruz can you use teamviewer?
20:11 Bahruz lets' i say u my id and password
20:11 Bahruz connect to my pc
20:11 Bahruz i will show you
20:11 Bahruz ok?
20:12 cait sorry, but i won't
20:13 cait i can try to help you here, but i am not very familiar with unimarc
20:13 cait runnign the test on the administration page would bemy next suggestion
20:13 cait you could also try mailing the mailing list - make sure to include the marcflavour, koha version  and a good problem description
20:15 Bahruz i need koha devoloper for improve our library system
20:15 Bahruz and i want pay this devoloper for his help
20:15 cait there are lots of support provides you could contact
20:15 cait listed on the homepage
20:15 cait you could also try the mailing list
20:32 chris_n does this sound familiar folks:
20:32 chris_n[…]Type=statusSearch
20:36 * mtompset grumbles.
20:36 mtompset I really dislike fixing non-XSLT, only to discover I need to fix XSLT stuff too.
20:38 wizzyrea man i am glad we more or less dodged that bullet.
20:38 wizzyrea re: chris_n's link
20:38 wizzyrea also, good morning, happy #time_of_day
20:39 wizzyrea or $day_of_week
20:39 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
20:39 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:30 AM NZDT on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
20:39 wizzyrea light rain showers. oh you're funny.
20:39 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
20:39 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -11.9°C (3:39 PM EST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
20:40 * druthb decides to make mtompset just a lil jealous.
20:40 druthb @wunder 77098
20:41 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.8°C (2:40 PM CST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
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21:29 eythian hi
21:32 cait hi eythian
21:32 eythian hi cait!
22:03 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. I'll be back to ask about filtering a MARCXML record. ;)
22:17 eythian[…]oes-seal-hunting/ <-- a baby seal walks into a club
22:37 eythian jcamins: I see you reproducing a lot of what is already in the csvtomarc I have, you probably want to avoid that.
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22:48 eythian <-- cait
22:57 francharb bye all
22:58 dcook eythian: All the more reason to play scrabble, I would think
22:59 dcook Apparently French scrabble is quite good because of all the vowels.
23:04 eythian I play scrabble in both en and nl, nl is nice for clearing out vowels.
23:06 dcook My wife has been learning a bit of Dutch recently for work, and I saw some of the print outs she had...I have renewed respect for your commitment to the language, eythian
23:08 dcook I'm sure if I understood the grammar that it might be more comprehensible but dang. It seems close enough to German to understand but then different enough that I'm puzzled.
23:08 eythian It actually not too bad. It doesn't have a ridiculous grammar like German.
23:08 dcook (Not that I understand German, but find it not too bad to speak sometimes)
23:11 eythian <-- I'm slowly working my way through German too
23:12 dcook Nice one! I keep forgetting about duolingo...
23:14 * dcook needs to find a cheap/free option for keeping up on his French
23:14 eythian duolingo is free and quite good I find
23:15 dcook Alas, the Koha French listserv isn't as rivetting as I would like :p
23:15 eythian heh
23:15 dcook Hmm, maybe I should give that a go if only for maintenance
23:15 dcook Plus, it would be good to bone up on my Spanish again.
23:15 * dcook would love to learn all the languages
23:16 eythian it tracks the areas you're not so good at, and what you haven't practiced recently and such too which is nice.
23:16 dcook I used to work at a library that had a collection in more than 26 different languages. It was amazing...
23:16 eythian nice
23:16 dcook Ooo. That would be nice!
23:16 dcook There are a few tenses and moods that just don't come up as often as I would like
23:16 dcook Moods? Modes? Moods...
23:16 eythian moods
23:17 dcook Right
23:17 dcook Ah
23:17 dcook Mood in english. Mode in French.
23:17 dcook Both!
23:17 eythian ah :)
23:20 dcook Wow...Toronto to London, UK for 901...
23:21 dcook I'm not sure how many Canadians are on here right now except blou, but that's a pretty decent deal, me thinks
23:28 * dcook did not take enough advantage of living in North America at the time.
23:28 dcook Of course, I was a poor student, but c'est la vie...
23:28 dcook One of these days, I'll visit NZ.
23:29 eythian it's <901 if you time it right
23:30 eythian don't come today, we've got a bit of a cyclone.
23:30 dcook Earthquake yesterday, cyclone today...
23:31 wizzyrea every day something different ;)
23:31 dcook lol
23:31 dcook I guess you're never bored?
23:33 dcook lol
23:34 dcook This placement test is hilarious
23:34 dcook Des poissons mangent du riz.
23:35 dcook Le
23:35 dcook You can’t peek in a test!
23:35 dcook chat a une botte rouge.
23:36 dcook Oh man, I've already made two obvious mistakes...Duolingo is rather nice!
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23:43 eythian hi there papa
23:43 eythian yeah, it's gamification is quite nice
23:45 eythian It's the die, der, das that usually catches me out. I just end up stuck at a stage for ages until it starts to absorb.
23:45 dcook I keep getting tripped up by not reading the full sentence :/
23:45 eythian ah
23:45 dcook Or some of the audio as I have horrible hearing to begin with
23:45 eythian don't do that then :)
23:45 dcook Ah, I guess I could skip it, eh?
23:46 dcook But good practice, I suppose
23:46 eythian The audio is pretty good I find, as you can play it back slow, or put headphones on, or whatever.
23:46 dcook Not doing it won't make it go away
23:46 eythian :)
23:46 dcook Yeah, I like that you can play it slow
23:47 dcook Second guessed myself between "vendent-elles" and "vend-t-elle"
23:47 dcook It sounds the same!
23:47 eythian heh
23:48 * eythian considers braving the elements to fetch some lunch
23:48 dcook I need to learn some Dutch so I can wish you luck
23:48 eythian that's easy: succes
23:49 dcook Well, I wish you succes finding lunch out in the wild outdoors
23:49 dcook I love some of these
23:50 dcook Mark all the correct translations of "Your boy is ugly"
23:50 eythian haha
23:50 dcook Oh no, I'm out of hearts..
23:50 eythian sad owl
23:50 * wizzyrea ponders the lunch question as well
23:51 * dcook has been chowing down on cashews all morning
23:51 * eythian just did the usual monday thing and pre-ordered subway
23:51 eythian also it's close and mostly covered
23:53 dcook I've been craving subway for weeks...
23:53 dcook Toning down the eating out this year in advance of going to Europe later in the year..
23:55 dcook The accent is a bit odd...I keep hearing different letters..
23:57 wizzyrea oh nuts, I have nuts. for nibbling.
23:57 wizzyrea there is no world in which that sentence does not come off as naughty.
23:58 wizzyrea not really intended though.
23:59 dcook Context is everything?

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