IRC log for #koha, 2013-12-15

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04:34 wizzyrea wow seriously, I say hi and I get a troutslap. That's novel.
04:34 jcamins wizzyrea: that happens to you a lot, I've noticed.
04:35 jcamins Maybe it's your client?
04:40 wizzyrea i am not sure if you are trying t be funny.
04:40 jcamins wizzyrea: no, several times you've said "hi," and some random lurker has slapped you with a troutpot.
04:41 jcamins *troutbot, whatever
04:44 jcamins I'm wondering if your client might be set up to send I-don't-know-what when you send a message.
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09:58 fredericd cait: I've got a question for you about translated frameworks
09:59 cait yes?
09:59 fredericd taking a look at bug 11068
09:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, In Discussion , Update MARC21 es-ES default frameworks fields and translation
10:00 cait have you seen the po files on pootle?
10:00 fredericd I'm discovering that translated framework varies from one language to another
10:00 fredericd no: for po files
10:00 cait i think there are probably lots of inconsistencies
10:00 cait i know we found lots of missing fields and some typos in the en default frameworks as well
10:01 cait not sure i fi thas been tried with UNIMARC yet
10:01 fredericd that's it
10:01 cait my impression is, that the unimarc frameowrks for en have not been maintained :(
10:01 fredericd the master 'en' version of the files has shifted from the original version which was used to base translated version
10:02 cait this is still pretty much in testing, but i like the idea and my tests for marc21 look very good
10:02 fredericd you're correct: it's unusable, being not it par anymore with zebra indexes
10:02 cait
10:02 cait there you can see the po files for marc21
10:02 fredericd So it means, it won't be necessary anymore to maintain translated version in SQL files?
10:03 fredericd for frameworks
10:03 cait we can generate the sql files
10:03 cait from the po and the en file
10:03 cait bgkriegel has done scripts for that
10:03 cait and after fixing the inconsistencies i mentioned it looks quite good
10:03 fredericd Is there a bug number for that?
10:03 cait i think we are stil testing mostly, let me find another link for you
10:04 cait bgkriegel automated it so for testing those files are regenerated... daily i think
10:04 cait i have to finish testing, but it looks quite good, we did a bug report for fixing inconsistencies
10:05 cait i tihnk best would be to drop him a quick mail, explaining about the UNIMARC problem
10:05 cait bug 11330
10:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11330 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Inconsistent field/subfield descriptions on MARC21 bibliographic frameworks
10:06 cait bug 10963
10:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Simplified creation of MARC21 sample frameworks
10:06 cait i am not sure what would work for UNIMARC
10:06 cait it seems there are some things special to how unimarc is used in france, that might not apply everywhere?
10:09 fredericd Marginally yes, but it shouldn't prevent to get a unique UNIMARC version
10:10 cait maybe differences could be handled by some additional sql files, adding specialties to the default
10:10 cait but not sure how hard it will be to create a common source file for the translations
10:10 fredericd I suppose there are scripts to extract strings to be translated from 'en' frameworks.
10:11 fredericd cait: very hard. A UNIMARC/MARC21 po file would be dangerous
10:11 cait ah
10:11 cait no, i mant a UNIMARC base file
10:11 cait with the problems you found fixed
10:12 cait and a separate po file, and one for normarc later on as well maybe
10:12 cait hm although probably noone wnats to translate normarc :)
10:13 cait i am hopin to test the last iteration for german marc21 frameworks today
10:13 cait and give him feedback about that
10:14 cait ok, stepping away from the computer for a bit - will be back in half an hour or so
10:14 fredericd So bug 10963 is a preamble to making framework translated? by reducing the number of strings
10:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Simplified creation of MARC21 sample frameworks
10:14 cait fredericd: it's more a parallel idea for now
10:15 cait the scripts can generate the existing frameworks, that's the conflict bernardo mentions in one of the comments
10:15 cait i think if that goes in, he will adapt his scripts
10:15 cait making maintaining the different frameworks easier, so a new field for example has not to be added to all of them
10:15 cait also triyng to fix inconsistencies that crept in over time, when we missed doing that
10:16 fredericd I'm worry about the intricacies with DBIx::Class...
10:16 cait hm not sure if that will be a problem here
10:16 cait i think galen said something about th einstaller files in one of his mails
10:16 cait about either make them run on postgres and marc21
10:17 cait or change them to another kind of file that can be loaded with dbix tools
10:17 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
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10:17 cait ok, really gone now - bbiab
10:17 fredericd Current SQL files are pure SQL (mySQL).
10:17 fredericd ok
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12:14 cait magnuse or ashimema or another wiki expert around?
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14:40 * Oak waves
14:47 cait hi Oak :)
14:48 Oak hey!
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16:23 bora Hello from Cambodia!
16:24 bora I need help with Khmer Unicode.
16:24 bora I cannot retrieve books in Khmer on the koha catalog
16:25 bora When I do cataloging, I can type it in Khmer, but I cannot retrieve it on OPAC
16:28 cait icu?
16:28 wahanui i think icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
16:29 cait i had hoped for a wiki link wahanui
16:29 cait bora: you want to make sure you use ICU for indexing your records
16:30 bora Sorry, could you explain me what is ICU?
16:30 cait an indexing option for zebra
16:30 cait how did you install your koha?
16:31 cait this could help:[…]of_Arabic_records
16:31 cait but leave out the arabic things :)
16:31 bora Thank you so much. We will try it.
16:32 bora And let you know if it works or not. Thank you!!!
16:32 cait np
16:32 cait hope it works!
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18:24 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7°C (7:20 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
18:25 brendan_ @wunder 93102
18:25 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7°C (10:25 AM PST on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
18:28 cait hi brendan_ :)
18:38 magnuse @wunder boo
18:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (7:20 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
18:38 magnuse 5? wow!
18:57 rangi morning
18:57 cait hi magnuse, morning rangi
19:05 rangi this is nice
19:05 rangi[…]sity-of-strangers
19:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme <[…]3b577cb05da2f7879>
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19:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1554 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 4 days 22 hr ago)
19:09 rangi im not sure what is up with that XISBN job
19:09 * cait didn't touch it
19:09 rangi nothing did
19:09 cait could be something at oclc's side?
19:10 rangi yeah
19:25 rangi thingisbn
19:25 rangi not xisbn, so thats the problem
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20:00 wizzyrea hi
20:01 cait morning wizzyrea and kathryn
20:01 kathryn hiyee cait :)
20:18 wizzyrea hiya
20:19 cait @wunder wellington, nz
20:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (9:00 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising).
21:04 * magnuse waves to all the kool kiwis
21:04 rangi hey magnuse
21:04 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
21:04 wizzyrea hehe
21:04 rangi did you see i got a patch in Catmandu?
21:05 magnuse yup
21:05 wizzyrea \o/
21:05 magnuse and they took my advice on ingesting MARC::Record objects - hope that turns out to be useful
21:05 magnuse rangi++
21:06 cait it looks like they are open for suggestions and help, that's cool
21:07 magnuse yup, sure is
21:07 rangi magnuse: yep, already using it for the elasticsearch stuff
21:07 magnuse w00t!
21:07 magnuse ...which sounds really introguing, btw
21:07 rangi my $importer = Catmandu::Importer::MARC->new( records => $records, id => '999' );
21:08 magnuse ...or intriguing, your choice
21:08 rangi my $fixer    = Catmandu::Fix->new( fixes => ['/home/chrisc/git/catalyst-koha/myfix.txt'] ); $importer = $fixer->fix($importer);
21:08 rangi then
21:08 rangi my $store =
21:08 wizzyrea it's all cloak and dagger, when it's introguing.
21:08 rangi Catmandu::Store::ElasticSearch->new( index_name => $self->index );
21:08 rangi $store->bag->add_many($from);
21:08 rangi and its done
21:08 rangi so easy
21:08 magnuse awesome
21:08 rangi (well bit more too it, config and stuff, but thats the basics)
21:08 rangi i want to change id => '999'
21:09 cait khall: ?
21:09 rangi in the Importer too
21:09 magnuse i think i spotted a problem with using 999 for the record id - it's hardcoded to use $a from the field you give it?
21:09 rangi yeah
21:09 rangi thats what i want to fix
21:09 magnuse cool
21:09 rangi id=>999$c
21:09 rangi or something
21:09 wahanui it has been said that something is fishy
21:09 rangi let you pass in the subfield
21:09 magnuse i think they usually just say 999a
21:09 rangi 999c then
21:10 rangi maybe 999|c
21:10 rangi then split on |
21:10 rangi just to make it cleaner
21:11 magnuse you can say marc_map( '245a','dc:title' );, so i thought it would make sense to use 999c, but a delimiter might be cleaner
21:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1554: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1554/
21:11 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme
21:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets
21:22 magnuse have fun #koha!
21:22 cait good night magnuse
21:34 eythian hi
21:35 cait hi eythian
21:36 eythian How's Konstanz?
21:36 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:36 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
21:36 cait eythian: grey and cold?
21:36 eythian here it's grey and warm.
21:36 cait hm
21:37 cait I'd prefer getting rid of the grey bit
21:37 eythian Apparently serious thunderstorms up north yesterday, but here it was clear skys. So I'm OK with that.
21:38 eythian And last night was the first night I couldn't sleep because it was too warm that I've had this summer.
21:39 cait just come bakc here - no problem with too warm :)
21:44 eythian heh, but then I'll get lost in fog or something.
21:46 cait hehe - no fog on the ground, you will be safe
21:50 cait meh, forgot to switch branches, now have to repeat all my tests :(
21:53 wizzyrea boo
21:58 eythian cait: I think that if tomorrow is like today, it'll be a shorts-wearing day.
21:59 eythian Well, actually, I'll be seeing the hobbit later, then it'll be cooler, so maybe not...
21:59 cait i think if tomorrow is like today, i will just want to stay in bed
21:59 eythian hwh
21:59 eythian *e
21:59 cait ;)
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22:34 cait good night all
22:34 cait dcook is here... i better go ;)
22:34 dcook lol
22:34 dcook night, cait ;)
22:34 dcook See you in the morning :)
22:35 cait :)
22:35 cait you can tell me how monday was then, so I am prepared
22:35 rangi hehe ok
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22:38 dcook lol
22:39 dcook Started out with light showers but I think I see the sun peaking out from behind the clouds
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23:55 dcook morning, Irma :)

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