Time Nick Message 04:34 wizzyrea wow seriously, I say hi and I get a troutslap. That's novel. 04:34 jcamins wizzyrea: that happens to you a lot, I've noticed. 04:35 jcamins Maybe it's your client? 04:40 wizzyrea i am not sure if you are trying t be funny. 04:40 jcamins wizzyrea: no, several times you've said "hi," and some random lurker has slapped you with a troutpot. 04:41 jcamins *troutbot, whatever 04:44 jcamins I'm wondering if your client might be set up to send I-don't-know-what when you send a message. 09:58 fredericd cait: I've got a question for you about translated frameworks 09:59 cait yes? 09:59 fredericd taking a look at bug 11068 09:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, In Discussion , Update MARC21 es-ES default frameworks fields and translation 10:00 cait have you seen the po files on pootle? 10:00 fredericd I'm discovering that translated framework varies from one language to another 10:00 fredericd no: for po files 10:00 cait i think there are probably lots of inconsistencies 10:00 cait i know we found lots of missing fields and some typos in the en default frameworks as well 10:01 cait not sure i fi thas been tried with UNIMARC yet 10:01 fredericd that's it 10:01 cait my impression is, that the unimarc frameowrks for en have not been maintained :( 10:01 fredericd the master 'en' version of the files has shifted from the original version which was used to base translated version 10:02 cait this is still pretty much in testing, but i like the idea and my tests for marc21 look very good 10:02 fredericd you're correct: it's unusable, being not it par anymore with zebra indexes 10:02 cait http://translate.koha-community.org/de/ 10:02 cait there you can see the po files for marc21 10:02 fredericd So it means, it won't be necessary anymore to maintain translated version in SQL files? 10:03 fredericd for frameworks 10:03 cait we can generate the sql files 10:03 cait from the po and the en file 10:03 cait bgkriegel has done scripts for that 10:03 cait and after fixing the inconsistencies i mentioned it looks quite good 10:03 fredericd Is there a bug number for that? 10:03 cait i think we are stil testing mostly, let me find another link for you 10:04 cait [off] http://translate.koha-community.org/files/ 10:04 cait bgkriegel automated it so for testing those files are regenerated... daily i think 10:04 cait i have to finish testing, but it looks quite good, we did a bug report for fixing inconsistencies 10:05 cait i tihnk best would be to drop him a quick mail, explaining about the UNIMARC problem 10:05 cait bug 11330 10:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11330 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , Inconsistent field/subfield descriptions on MARC21 bibliographic frameworks 10:06 cait bug 10963 10:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Simplified creation of MARC21 sample frameworks 10:06 cait i am not sure what would work for UNIMARC 10:06 cait it seems there are some things special to how unimarc is used in france, that might not apply everywhere? 10:09 fredericd Marginally yes, but it shouldn't prevent to get a unique UNIMARC version 10:10 cait maybe differences could be handled by some additional sql files, adding specialties to the default 10:10 cait but not sure how hard it will be to create a common source file for the translations 10:10 fredericd I suppose there are scripts to extract strings to be translated from 'en' frameworks. 10:11 fredericd cait: very hard. A UNIMARC/MARC21 po file would be dangerous 10:11 cait ah 10:11 cait no, i mant a UNIMARC base file 10:11 cait with the problems you found fixed 10:12 cait and a separate po file, and one for normarc later on as well maybe 10:12 cait hm although probably noone wnats to translate normarc :) 10:13 cait i am hopin to test the last iteration for german marc21 frameworks today 10:13 cait and give him feedback about that 10:14 cait ok, stepping away from the computer for a bit - will be back in half an hour or so 10:14 fredericd So bug 10963 is a preamble to making framework translated? by reducing the number of strings 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Simplified creation of MARC21 sample frameworks 10:14 cait fredericd: it's more a parallel idea for now 10:15 cait the scripts can generate the existing frameworks, that's the conflict bernardo mentions in one of the comments 10:15 cait i think if that goes in, he will adapt his scripts 10:15 cait making maintaining the different frameworks easier, so a new field for example has not to be added to all of them 10:15 cait also triyng to fix inconsistencies that crept in over time, when we missed doing that 10:16 fredericd I'm worry about the intricacies with DBIx::Class... 10:16 cait hm not sure if that will be a problem here 10:16 cait i think galen said something about th einstaller files in one of his mails 10:16 cait about either make them run on postgres and marc21 10:17 cait or change them to another kind of file that can be loaded with dbix tools 10:17 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 10:17 cait ok, really gone now - bbiab 10:17 fredericd Current SQL files are pure SQL (mySQL). 10:17 fredericd ok 10:44 cait back 12:14 cait magnuse or ashimema or another wiki expert around? 14:40 * Oak waves 14:47 cait hi Oak :) 14:48 Oak hey! 16:23 bora Hello from Cambodia! 16:24 bora I need help with Khmer Unicode. 16:24 bora I cannot retrieve books in Khmer on the koha catalog 16:25 bora When I do cataloging, I can type it in Khmer, but I cannot retrieve it on OPAC 16:28 cait icu? 16:28 wahanui i think icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra 16:29 cait i had hoped for a wiki link wahanui 16:29 cait bora: you want to make sure you use ICU for indexing your records 16:30 bora Sorry, could you explain me what is ICU? 16:30 cait an indexing option for zebra 16:30 cait how did you install your koha? 16:31 cait this could help: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 16:31 cait but leave out the arabic things :) 16:31 bora Thank you so much. We will try it. 16:32 bora And let you know if it works or not. Thank you!!! 16:32 cait np 16:32 cait hope it works! 18:24 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7°C (7:20 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 18:25 brendan_ @wunder 93102 18:25 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7°C (10:25 AM PST on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 18:28 cait hi brendan_ :) 18:38 magnuse @wunder boo 18:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (7:20 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 18:38 magnuse 5? wow! 18:57 rangi morning 18:57 cait hi magnuse, morning rangi 19:05 rangi this is nice 19:05 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9520639/Family-humbled-by-generosity-of-strangers 19:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e64ea8870cca3715f838ae3b577cb05da2f7879> 19:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1554 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 4 days 22 hr ago) 19:09 rangi im not sure what is up with that XISBN job 19:09 * cait didn't touch it 19:09 rangi nothing did 19:09 cait could be something at oclc's side? 19:10 rangi yeah 19:25 rangi thingisbn 19:25 rangi not xisbn, so thats the problem 20:00 wizzyrea hi 20:01 cait morning wizzyrea and kathryn 20:01 kathryn hiyee cait :) 20:18 wizzyrea hiya 20:19 cait @wunder wellington, nz 20:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 20:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (9:00 PM CET on December 15, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising). 21:04 * magnuse waves to all the kool kiwis 21:04 rangi hey magnuse 21:04 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant. 21:04 wizzyrea hehe 21:04 rangi did you see i got a patch in Catmandu? 21:05 magnuse yup 21:05 wizzyrea \o/ 21:05 magnuse and they took my advice on ingesting MARC::Record objects - hope that turns out to be useful 21:05 magnuse rangi++ 21:06 cait it looks like they are open for suggestions and help, that's cool 21:07 magnuse yup, sure is 21:07 rangi magnuse: yep, already using it for the elasticsearch stuff 21:07 magnuse w00t! 21:07 magnuse ...which sounds really introguing, btw 21:07 rangi my $importer = Catmandu::Importer::MARC->new( records => $records, id => '999' ); 21:08 magnuse ...or intriguing, your choice 21:08 rangi my $fixer = Catmandu::Fix->new( fixes => ['/home/chrisc/git/catalyst-koha/myfix.txt'] ); $importer = $fixer->fix($importer); 21:08 rangi then 21:08 rangi my $store = 21:08 wizzyrea it's all cloak and dagger, when it's introguing. 21:08 rangi Catmandu::Store::ElasticSearch->new( index_name => $self->index ); 21:08 rangi $store->bag->add_many($from); 21:08 rangi and its done 21:08 rangi so easy 21:08 magnuse awesome 21:08 rangi (well bit more too it, config and stuff, but thats the basics) 21:08 rangi i want to change id => '999' 21:09 cait khall: ? 21:09 rangi in the Importer too 21:09 magnuse i think i spotted a problem with using 999 for the record id - it's hardcoded to use $a from the field you give it? 21:09 rangi yeah 21:09 rangi thats what i want to fix 21:09 magnuse cool 21:09 rangi id=>999$c 21:09 rangi or something 21:09 wahanui it has been said that something is fishy 21:09 rangi let you pass in the subfield 21:09 magnuse i think they usually just say 999a 21:09 rangi 999c then 21:10 rangi maybe 999|c 21:10 rangi then split on | 21:10 rangi just to make it cleaner 21:11 magnuse you can say marc_map( '245a','dc:title' );, so i thought it would make sense to use 999c, but a delimiter might be cleaner 21:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1554: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1554/ 21:11 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets 21:22 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:22 cait good night magnuse 21:34 eythian hi 21:35 cait hi eythian 21:36 eythian How's Konstanz? 21:36 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:36 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 21:36 cait eythian: grey and cold? 21:36 eythian here it's grey and warm. 21:36 cait hm 21:37 cait I'd prefer getting rid of the grey bit 21:37 eythian Apparently serious thunderstorms up north yesterday, but here it was clear skys. So I'm OK with that. 21:38 eythian And last night was the first night I couldn't sleep because it was too warm that I've had this summer. 21:39 cait just come bakc here - no problem with too warm :) 21:44 eythian heh, but then I'll get lost in fog or something. 21:46 cait hehe - no fog on the ground, you will be safe 21:50 cait meh, forgot to switch branches, now have to repeat all my tests :( 21:53 wizzyrea boo 21:58 eythian cait: I think that if tomorrow is like today, it'll be a shorts-wearing day. 21:59 eythian Well, actually, I'll be seeing the hobbit later, then it'll be cooler, so maybe not... 21:59 cait i think if tomorrow is like today, i will just want to stay in bed 21:59 eythian hwh 21:59 eythian *e 21:59 cait ;) 22:34 cait good night all 22:34 cait dcook is here... i better go ;) 22:34 dcook lol 22:34 dcook night, cait ;) 22:34 dcook See you in the morning :) 22:35 cait :) 22:35 cait you can tell me how monday was then, so I am prepared 22:35 rangi hehe ok 22:38 dcook lol 22:39 dcook Started out with light showers but I think I see the sun peaking out from behind the clouds 23:55 dcook morning, Irma :)