IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-29

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00:00 peggy joined #koha
00:00 peggy Good evening!
00:13 peggy Should I be able to just run  Maybe I'm doing this completely wrong...
00:13 peggy peggy@thrasher:/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs$ perl read error at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/ line 470. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 26. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 33. Compilation failed in require at line 52. BEGIN failed--compila
00:14 eythian you probably need to supply the whole error
00:14 eythian wahanui: paste
00:14 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty!
00:15 peggy Sorry...peggy@thrasher:/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs$ perl read error at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/ line 470. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 26. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 33. Compilation failed in require at line 52. BEGIN failed-
00:15 peggy BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at line 52.
00:16 eythian use the pastebin
00:16 eythian it's much more readable
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00:17 peggy What is the pastebin?
00:17 wahanui the pastebin is at
00:18 pastebot "peggy" at pasted "My error message" (7 lines) at
00:20 eythian hmm. I wish it said what the read error was.
00:20 eythian My best guess would be a permissions problem. Can the user you're running as read the koha-conf.xml file?
00:21 peggy me, too.
00:22 wizzyrea could also be that her sax parser isn't right
00:22 eythian that's possible too
00:22 eythian actually, it's more likely
00:23 peggy My sax parser??
00:23 eythian You might have to trace through to see what's actually going on. See what the lines in the messages are doing, it might give a hint.
00:23 wizzyrea[…]4587;hb=HEAD#l123
00:23 wizzyrea ^ would be the fast way to check
00:25 peggy It says cd koha.  Which koha is that?  there are lots of koha directories...
00:26 wizzyrea probably in this case, if you are running from git, the directory your clone is in
00:27 peggy Good diagnosis!
00:27 peggy Koha wants something like:     XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) You have:     XML::SAX::Expat=HASH(0x8c948d0)
00:27 wizzyrea yarp
00:27 wizzyrea keep going in those instructions. :)
00:28 rangi i'd expect it to have blown up sooner too
00:28 rangi my money is still on not being able to read the koha-conf.xml
00:28 rangi cos of permissions
00:29 wizzyrea yea, that could be the next thing :)
00:29 rangi peggy: did you do an export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/where/the/file/is ?
00:29 rangi if not, it will try to use /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
00:29 rangi which probably doesnt even exist
00:29 eythian well, I was thinking that if it's coming from Biblio, it might just be something that Expat doesn't usually have problems with, but does in this case.
00:30 rangi true
00:30 wizzyrea the error is quite a bit different with permissions
00:30 wizzyrea i.e. doesn't talk about expat
00:31 wizzyrea peggy - you can stop when you get to 2.3
00:31 wizzyrea 2.2 is the only relevant bit
00:31 wizzyrea (for now)
00:33 peggy I did the export, but it is gone now.  I need to do it more permanently, I think
00:34 rangi since you are using the packages
00:34 rangi you can do
00:34 rangi sudo koha-shell <instancename>
00:34 rangi it sets all the stuff right
00:34 rangi and will avoid any permission issues
00:36 peggy It can't find koha-shell
00:36 eythian sudo koha-shell doesn't work
00:36 eythian ?
00:36 eythian it's probably not in your default path
00:36 peggy peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ sudo koha-shell koha sudo: koha-shell: command not found
00:37 peggy You are correct.
00:37 eythian what version of the packages do you have installed?
00:37 rangi hmm this is on the machine we set up with packages eh?
00:37 peggy yes.
00:37 eythian oh, sudo /usr/sbin/koha-shell
00:37 eythian try that
00:37 peggy k
00:38 wizzyrea thing about koha-shell
00:38 wizzyrea if you are running from gitified packages, it often looks to /usr/share/koha
00:38 wizzyrea unless it has been changed
00:38 peggy peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ sudo /usr/sbin/koha-shell koha bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device bash: no job control in this shell
00:38 eythian hmm, yes, I suppose it would
00:38 mtj hey peggy, are you on an ubuntu box?
00:38 eythian oh, I've seen that. I wish I knew what did that.
00:38 wizzyrea yea I've seen that too. it still works
00:38 wizzyrea :)
00:39 * mtj waves to #koha
00:39 wizzyrea hey mtj
00:39 peggy I'm on Debian, mtj
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00:41 mtj ah, ok - i was curious about the ~/Documents dir...
00:42 mtj hiya wiz :p
00:42 eythian That's a gnomey thing I think
00:42 peggy Ah!  I'm making progress.  I need to set the Enhanced Messaging Preferences .  Will I be able to run this if I don't have email set up?  I could warn the ininfo I'm interested in
00:43 rangi you can look in the db, in the message queue table
00:43 rangi and see the messages its queued up to send
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00:43 peggy That would be easier.  Thanks, rangi!
00:43 drojf hi #koha
00:43 rangi hi drojf
00:43 drojf just checking if you are still alive :)
00:43 drojf hi rangi :)
00:44 rangi heh
00:44 drojf and everybody++ for 3.14 :)
00:44 peggy Thanks for all the help!  Now I'll go play with notices...
00:46 drojf oh look, a livedvd discussion i won't take part in. :)
00:47 rangi heh good idea
00:47 mtj drojf, indeed… :)
00:47 drojf how is 3.14 working out so far?
00:47 drojf have not even had time to install one :/
00:47 rangi havent seen any major issues reported
00:48 wizzyrea well there was that little one about debarments. But that wasn't a huge one.
00:48 wizzyrea mostly good I think
00:49 drojf nice :)
00:51 drojf i would like a "i could have done a koha workshop this weekend but all i got was this lousy thesis still not finished" shirt, please.
00:51 rangi heh nice work finishing it
00:51 drojf i have to hand it in on tuesday, it will be finished somehow. :D
00:52 rangi :)
00:52 drojf still sad about the workshop. it's that overnight reading thing again, we have installed a lot of koha there on two occasions and it was a lot of fun.
00:53 * drojf had very little koha lately
00:54 drojf but i have like 550 unread koha emails to look forward to. ;)
00:54 rangi hehe fun fun fun
00:54 drojf yeah. or maybe "mark all as read" and start from scratch ^^
00:59 eythian that's what I do when I come back after holiday
01:00 drojf heh
01:01 rangi yeah if something was urgent or for me, someone will tell me :)
01:02 drojf probably, yes. i still like to have a vague idea of what people are talking about
01:03 rangi i read threads with 3 or more messages normally
01:44 mtompset Is there a way to limit what branches are displayed in the OPAC search dropdown box which lists branches and groups?
01:45 rangi there used to be, dunno if there still is
01:46 wizzyrea can with jquery, it's probably in the library
01:47 mtompset But then the actual library name is still out there in the page source.
01:48 mtompset There is a way to display/not display groups, from what I can tell, but not branches themselves.
01:52 wizzyrea you can't .remove() them?
01:52 wizzyrea what's the problem you're trying to solve?
01:55 mtompset Truly hide the branch.
01:57 mtompset Having javascript clean up ... there's a tiny leak.
01:57 wizzyrea then no, there isn't a way to make a non-public branch.
01:58 mtompset With DBIx in 3.14, and hence master, what is the proper way to add a field to a table now?
01:59 eythian <-- newly themed Koha
02:00 mtompset bootstrap? prog?
02:00 eythian prog
02:01 mtompset Looks nice, do you mind if I make one comment?
02:02 wizzyrea comments are nice.
02:03 mtompset I can't tell that all the things are links in the bar area, except for cart, unless I pay attention to my mouse cursor.
02:03 mtompset hover colour contrast is nice.
02:05 mtompset I had a user tell me they didn't know the logo was clickable, when I was styling our pages.
02:08 eythian In most cases, the links are quite verby or nouny, which should help.
03:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:09 * cait waves
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07:40 dpk1 mtompset:  I've just finished redoing the patch for 11078 ( locking).  I think you were interested in that.  I've rolled all the changes into one patch and altered the lockfile location per discussion with Galan.
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07:41 reiveune hello
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07:51 alex_a bonjour
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08:13 gaetan_B hello
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08:31 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7°C (9:30 AM CET on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
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12:58 * cait waves
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13:10 francharb hello!
13:11 cait hi francharb
13:11 francharb o/ cait
13:19 sophie_m hello #koha
13:19 sophie_m and francharb :-)
13:19 sophie_m I have a question on notifications in koha
13:22 francharb o/ sophie_m
13:23 sophie_m CHECKIN and CHECKOUT are not controled by EnhancedMessagingPreferences syspref (if it is OFF, notices are  even though sent). Is it a bug ?
13:33 cait hm
13:33 cait i think they should probably not be sent when it's off, but not sure - there is a separate page for those I think in admin
13:33 cait i never quite undrstood how that shoudl work :(
13:33 cait i mean the separate admin page in combination with the other things
13:38 sophie_m For the moment, it looks if patron has activated this notification and then if notification is allowed for this branch and type of document
13:39 sophie_m So I think if the syspref is off, no notification should be sent (as for others)
13:39 ebegin Good morning all !
13:39 ebegin @wunder montreal canada
13:40 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0°C (8:00 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising).
13:40 ebegin kinda cold
13:50 mtompset @wunder toronto canada
13:50 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is -6.0°C (8:00 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Rising).
13:50 mtompset @wunder l7e 5Y5
13:50 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -12.4°C (8:36 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.64 in 1038 hPa (Rising).
13:51 mtompset Got you beat, ebegin. It's colder here. :)
13:51 mtompset Greetings, cait sophie_m francharb ebegin. :)
13:51 sophie_m hi mtompset
13:52 ashimema damn that's cold
13:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9°C (2:50 PM CET on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
13:53 ashimema @wunder london england
13:53 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 10.0°C (1:20 PM GMT on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
13:54 ashimema haha.. positively warm here..
13:54 ashimema @wunder stevenage england
13:54 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 7.9°C (1:50 PM GMT on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
13:54 ashimema Wow.. that's actually a two minute walk from my house.. surprised it's that close!
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14:18 * Oak waves
14:19 cait Oak.
14:20 Oak cait
14:20 Oak aaaaah i thought you were not here. i looked again when you said 'Oak.' but you were not in the c's
14:21 Oak you are up there now. hmm.
14:21 Oak nor in the k's
14:21 cait up there now yes ;)
14:22 Oak what's the benefit of so many of you up there? no one misbehaves here....
14:24 Oak that may have sounded different from what i wanted to say.
14:28 cait :)
14:28 cait i think the idea was to spread them through timezones
14:28 Oak :)
14:28 cait it happens now that i am up there because i registered the nick (couldn't register kf and someone else is using it now:...) and now when i log in and identify I get the ops automaticall
14:28 cait y
14:28 cait i had them for a while I guess, i just didn't identify correctly with my login
14:29 Oak ah
14:29 Oak cool
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14:44 Oak pastebot?
14:44 wahanui pastebot is probably down. Could you restart it?
14:45 Oak paste?
14:45 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty!
14:45 pastebot "Oak" at pasted "Yahoo Memo About Using Their Web Mail" (13 lines) at
14:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #243 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC <[…]e89455eda319dd8d7>
14:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1529 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11242: fix display and warnings <[…]13f013b3c11fe55c1>
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15:32 talljoy morning #koha
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15:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #243: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/243/
15:42 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC
15:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Warnings in opac
15:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #244 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:22 barton good morning
16:33 reiveune bye
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16:34 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #244: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/244/
16:34 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: Bug 11242: fix display and warnings
16:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , fix bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings
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16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1529: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1529/
16:50 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC
16:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Warnings in opac
16:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1530 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:07 mtompset Has anyone else read the Wiki URL someone posted in the koha-devel mailing list?
18:07 gaetan_B bye !
18:07 mtompset Doesn't anyone ever run the perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install steps anymore?
18:07 mtompset Bye, gaetan_B
18:08 wajasu i do :)
18:09 mtompset Because this wiki page was only created last month, and no mention of those steps are in it.
18:09 mtompset I'm thinking, "No wonder this guy had problems."
18:10 mtompset And then he's installing ice weasel on a development server.
18:10 mtompset Is there a need for that?
18:12 mtompset EEewww! He installs packages, and then overwrites the configuration for the git.
18:16 mtompset Do we really want to encourage people to use the latest zebra version by installing direct from
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18:29 mtompset oh, I see why they want the packages. They want the command scripts.
18:29 barton hi pianohacker
18:29 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker barton.
18:30 pianohacker I hack pianos, not bartons. Jeez.
18:30 * barton has never been hacked by pianohacker
18:31 pianohacker not yet
18:33 barton I have a library who is saying that their self registration process is running slowly. I queried their borrower's table, and indeed, there are no borrowers with today's dateenrolled.
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18:35 barton What drives the self card signup? Is there an upstream table that I can query to find the patron that should be added today?
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18:46 pianohacker barton: What should happen is that, after the patron has entered all of their details, they get a verification email
18:47 pianohacker Well, if PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail is on, that is
18:48 barton pianohacker: what table are the patron's details entered into? Do they go directly into the borrowers table, or do they hit something else first?
18:49 pianohacker barton: It looks like they go into the borrower_modifications table first
18:49 barton aha.
18:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1530: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1530/
18:52 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: Bug 11242: fix display and warnings
18:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , fix bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings
18:52 mtompset YAY! Less log noise.
18:53 cait yay vacation :)
18:55 mtompset How does everyone here feel about forced click through to follow instructions?
18:56 mtompset for example, what if the main instructions were just bullet points which said follow the instructions HERE.
18:56 cait i am against links that are named here.
18:56 cait ;)
18:57 cait and sorry, not sure i can follow
18:57 mtompset I am too, but you get the point. :P
18:57 cait maybe i missed the beginning?
18:57 mtompset For example, the debian instructions, the ubuntu instructions, and other debian-based OS'es all need to set up the koha repository.
18:58 mtompset what if I ripped that section out of those pages, and just linked to a "Set up the koha repository" page?
18:58 mtompset That's one half screen no longer duplicated in a million places.
18:59 cait it could work, but I think it might get confusing fast
18:59 mtompset (well, overexaggerated)
18:59 cait ideally we would only have a one printed page long guide for each
18:59 mtompset confusing how?
18:59 cait following links, getting confused about sequence
19:00 mtompset That's what split screens are for. left half, bullet points, right half the instructions.
19:00 mtompset But you are probably right.
19:01 cait we do it that way, but i think most people don't
19:01 mtompset I agree with that assessment.
19:04 wajasu i've like the way does their wiki.  a page for a topic, with contents at the top to step through, and if there are alternative, advaced, troubleshooting links
19:04 wajasu then they link to other pages.
19:05 barton does the wiki have an 'include' macro?
19:06 cait barton: hm intersting question
19:06 cait maybe we could use a template?
19:06 cait have the 'non moving' parts in there
19:07 cait and welcome barton :)
19:07 barton thanks, cait!
19:07 cait :)
19:07 mtompset That would an idea. Then we only need to update the template parts when something improves/changes. :)
19:09 wajasu does it support TemplateToolkit?
19:15 mtompset It must have some sort of include, because there is the ability to include a "This page is super ancient, and is just good old history" type boxes.
19:17 cait i think it has lots of features i have no idea about
19:17 cait mediawiki an dme don't have a close friendship
19:17 cait but i know it can do lots of things
19:17 cait ashimema would know
19:21 wajasu  and[…]tion_Transclusion are a start
19:27 cait hi druthb
19:27 druthb o/
19:31 pianohacker @coco++
19:31 huginn pianohacker: downloading the Perl source
19:31 pianohacker woops
19:31 pianohacker coco++
19:31 pianohacker
19:32 pianohacker no, not submitting it in a Koha patch, but I am using it for a school project and loving it
19:32 druthb hi, pianohacker!  good turkey day?
19:33 pianohacker oh, by far. It's my favorite holiday, and since my family had to move it early this year, I got to do it a second time at a friend's house :)
19:33 pianohacker you?
19:33 wahanui you is smart
19:33 pianohacker wahanui is complimentary!
19:33 pianohacker like the peanuts
19:35 druthb so far, so good.  I got to my sweetie's house Wednesday night, and she's cooking up a big do on Saturday.
19:37 cait :)
22:12 francharb bye
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23:27 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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23:28 reki hello guys
23:28 reki just a question: is there a syspref for setting a maximum limit of holds per item?
23:31 reki it seems I cannot use the "reki" nickname...
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23:34 reki13 plz some help
23:34 reki13 is there a syspref for setting a maximum limit of holds per item?
23:37 reki13 I mean, hold limits in issuing rules applies for holds made by one single patron,
23:39 reki13 but, for instance, in reserve/ there are (illimited?) holds from many patrons for the same biblio
23:53 pianohacker reki13: Doesn't look like it, from what I can see...
23:54 pianohacker gotta jet, bye all

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