Time Nick Message 00:00 peggy Good evening! 00:13 peggy Should I be able to just run advance_notices.pl? Maybe I'm doing this completely wrong... 00:13 peggy peggy@thrasher:/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs$ perl advance_notices.pl read error at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/Expat.pm line 470. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 26. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 33. Compilation failed in require at advance_notices.pl line 52. BEGIN failed--compila 00:14 eythian you probably need to supply the whole error 00:14 eythian wahanui: paste 00:14 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 00:15 peggy Sorry...peggy@thrasher:/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs$ perl advance_notices.pl read error at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser/Expat.pm line 470. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 26. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 33. Compilation failed in require at advance_notices.pl line 52. BEGIN failed- 00:15 peggy BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at advance_notices.pl line 52. 00:16 eythian use the pastebin 00:16 eythian it's much more readable 00:17 peggy What is the pastebin? 00:17 wahanui the pastebin is at http://paste.koha-community.org/ 00:18 pastebot "peggy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "My error message" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/8 00:20 eythian hmm. I wish it said what the read error was. 00:20 eythian My best guess would be a permissions problem. Can the user you're running as read the koha-conf.xml file? 00:21 peggy me, too. 00:22 wizzyrea could also be that her sax parser isn't right 00:22 eythian that's possible too 00:22 eythian actually, it's more likely 00:23 peggy My sax parser?? 00:23 eythian You might have to trace through to see what's actually going on. See what the lines in the messages are doing, it might give a hint. 00:23 wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=4547974952d8730cefc04b570450dc318cc84587;hb=HEAD#l123 00:23 wizzyrea ^ would be the fast way to check 00:25 peggy It says cd koha. Which koha is that? there are lots of koha directories... 00:26 wizzyrea probably in this case, if you are running from git, the directory your clone is in 00:27 peggy Good diagnosis! 00:27 peggy Koha wants something like: XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) You have: XML::SAX::Expat=HASH(0x8c948d0) 00:27 wizzyrea yarp 00:27 wizzyrea keep going in those instructions. :) 00:28 rangi i'd expect it to have blown up sooner too 00:28 rangi my money is still on not being able to read the koha-conf.xml 00:28 rangi cos of permissions 00:29 wizzyrea yea, that could be the next thing :) 00:29 rangi peggy: did you do an export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/where/the/file/is ? 00:29 rangi if not, it will try to use /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 00:29 rangi which probably doesnt even exist 00:29 eythian well, I was thinking that if it's coming from Biblio, it might just be something that Expat doesn't usually have problems with, but does in this case. 00:30 rangi true 00:30 wizzyrea the error is quite a bit different with permissions 00:30 wizzyrea i.e. doesn't talk about expat 00:31 wizzyrea peggy - you can stop when you get to 2.3 00:31 wizzyrea 2.2 is the only relevant bit 00:31 wizzyrea (for now) 00:33 peggy I did the export, but it is gone now. I need to do it more permanently, I think 00:34 rangi since you are using the packages 00:34 rangi you can do 00:34 rangi sudo koha-shell <instancename> 00:34 rangi it sets all the stuff right 00:34 rangi and will avoid any permission issues 00:36 peggy It can't find koha-shell 00:36 eythian sudo koha-shell doesn't work 00:36 eythian ? 00:36 eythian it's probably not in your default path 00:36 peggy peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ sudo koha-shell koha sudo: koha-shell: command not found 00:37 peggy You are correct. 00:37 eythian what version of the packages do you have installed? 00:37 rangi hmm this is on the machine we set up with packages eh? 00:37 peggy yes. 00:37 eythian oh, sudo /usr/sbin/koha-shell 00:37 eythian try that 00:37 peggy k 00:38 wizzyrea thing about koha-shell 00:38 wizzyrea if you are running from gitified packages, it often looks to /usr/share/koha 00:38 wizzyrea unless it has been changed 00:38 peggy peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ sudo /usr/sbin/koha-shell koha bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device bash: no job control in this shell 00:38 eythian hmm, yes, I suppose it would 00:38 mtj hey peggy, are you on an ubuntu box? 00:38 eythian oh, I've seen that. I wish I knew what did that. 00:38 wizzyrea yea I've seen that too. it still works 00:38 wizzyrea :) 00:39 * mtj waves to #koha 00:39 wizzyrea hey mtj 00:39 peggy I'm on Debian, mtj 00:41 mtj ah, ok - i was curious about the ~/Documents dir... 00:42 mtj hiya wiz :p 00:42 eythian That's a gnomey thing I think 00:42 peggy Ah! I'm making progress. I need to set the Enhanced Messaging Preferences . Will I be able to run this if I don't have email set up? I could warn the ininfo I'm interested in 00:43 rangi you can look in the db, in the message queue table 00:43 rangi and see the messages its queued up to send 00:43 peggy That would be easier. Thanks, rangi! 00:43 drojf hi #koha 00:43 rangi hi drojf 00:43 drojf just checking if you are still alive :) 00:43 drojf hi rangi :) 00:44 rangi heh 00:44 drojf and everybody++ for 3.14 :) 00:44 peggy Thanks for all the help! Now I'll go play with notices... 00:46 drojf oh look, a livedvd discussion i won't take part in. :) 00:47 rangi heh good idea 00:47 mtj drojf, indeed… :) 00:47 drojf how is 3.14 working out so far? 00:47 drojf have not even had time to install one :/ 00:47 rangi havent seen any major issues reported 00:48 wizzyrea well there was that little one about debarments. But that wasn't a huge one. 00:48 wizzyrea mostly good I think 00:49 drojf nice :) 00:51 drojf i would like a "i could have done a koha workshop this weekend but all i got was this lousy thesis still not finished" shirt, please. 00:51 rangi heh nice work finishing it 00:51 drojf i have to hand it in on tuesday, it will be finished somehow. :D 00:52 rangi :) 00:52 drojf still sad about the workshop. it's that overnight reading thing again, we have installed a lot of koha there on two occasions and it was a lot of fun. 00:53 * drojf had very little koha lately 00:54 drojf but i have like 550 unread koha emails to look forward to. ;) 00:54 rangi hehe fun fun fun 00:54 drojf yeah. or maybe "mark all as read" and start from scratch ^^ 00:59 eythian that's what I do when I come back after holiday 01:00 drojf heh 01:01 rangi yeah if something was urgent or for me, someone will tell me :) 01:02 drojf probably, yes. i still like to have a vague idea of what people are talking about 01:03 rangi i read threads with 3 or more messages normally 01:44 mtompset Is there a way to limit what branches are displayed in the OPAC search dropdown box which lists branches and groups? 01:45 rangi there used to be, dunno if there still is 01:46 wizzyrea can with jquery, it's probably in the library 01:47 mtompset But then the actual library name is still out there in the page source. 01:48 mtompset There is a way to display/not display groups, from what I can tell, but not branches themselves. 01:52 wizzyrea you can't .remove() them? 01:52 wizzyrea what's the problem you're trying to solve? 01:55 mtompset Truly hide the branch. 01:57 mtompset Having javascript clean up ... there's a tiny leak. 01:57 wizzyrea then no, there isn't a way to make a non-public branch. 01:58 mtompset With DBIx in 3.14, and hence master, what is the proper way to add a field to a table now? 01:59 eythian http://ils.stdc.govt.nz/ <-- newly themed Koha 02:00 mtompset bootstrap? prog? 02:00 eythian prog 02:01 mtompset Looks nice, do you mind if I make one comment? 02:02 wizzyrea comments are nice. 02:03 mtompset I can't tell that all the things are links in the bar area, except for cart, unless I pay attention to my mouse cursor. 02:03 mtompset hover colour contrast is nice. 02:05 mtompset I had a user tell me they didn't know the logo was clickable, when I was styling our pages. 02:08 eythian In most cases, the links are quite verby or nouny, which should help. 03:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:09 * cait waves 07:40 dpk1 mtompset: I've just finished redoing the patch for 11078 (rebuild_zebra.pl locking). I think you were interested in that. I've rolled all the changes into one patch and altered the lockfile location per discussion with Galan. 07:41 reiveune hello 07:51 alex_a bonjour 08:13 gaetan_B hello 08:31 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7°C (9:30 AM CET on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 12:58 * cait waves 13:10 francharb hello! 13:11 cait hi francharb 13:11 francharb o/ cait 13:19 sophie_m hello #koha 13:19 sophie_m and francharb :-) 13:19 sophie_m I have a question on notifications in koha 13:22 francharb o/ sophie_m 13:23 sophie_m CHECKIN and CHECKOUT are not controled by EnhancedMessagingPreferences syspref (if it is OFF, notices are even though sent). Is it a bug ? 13:33 cait hm 13:33 cait i think they should probably not be sent when it's off, but not sure - there is a separate page for those I think in admin 13:33 cait i never quite undrstood how that shoudl work :( 13:33 cait i mean the separate admin page in combination with the other things 13:38 sophie_m For the moment, it looks if patron has activated this notification and then if notification is allowed for this branch and type of document 13:39 sophie_m So I think if the syspref is off, no notification should be sent (as for others) 13:39 ebegin Good morning all ! 13:39 ebegin @wunder montreal canada 13:40 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -12.0°C (8:00 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising). 13:40 ebegin kinda cold 13:50 mtompset @wunder toronto canada 13:50 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is -6.0°C (8:00 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Rising). 13:50 mtompset @wunder l7e 5Y5 13:50 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -12.4°C (8:36 AM EST on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.64 in 1038 hPa (Rising). 13:51 mtompset Got you beat, ebegin. It's colder here. :) 13:51 mtompset Greetings, cait sophie_m francharb ebegin. :) 13:51 sophie_m hi mtompset 13:52 ashimema damn that's cold 13:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 13:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9°C (2:50 PM CET on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 13:53 ashimema @wunder london england 13:53 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 10.0°C (1:20 PM GMT on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 13:54 ashimema haha.. positively warm here.. 13:54 ashimema @wunder stevenage england 13:54 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 7.9°C (1:50 PM GMT on November 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 13:54 ashimema Wow.. that's actually a two minute walk from my house.. surprised it's that close! 14:18 * Oak waves 14:19 cait Oak. 14:20 Oak cait 14:20 Oak aaaaah i thought you were not here. i looked again when you said 'Oak.' but you were not in the c's 14:21 Oak you are up there now. hmm. 14:21 Oak nor in the k's 14:21 cait up there now yes ;) 14:22 Oak what's the benefit of so many of you up there? no one misbehaves here.... 14:24 Oak that may have sounded different from what i wanted to say. 14:28 cait :) 14:28 cait i think the idea was to spread them through timezones 14:28 Oak :) 14:28 cait it happens now that i am up there because i registered the nick (couldn't register kf and someone else is using it now:...) and now when i log in and identify I get the ops automaticall 14:28 cait y 14:28 cait i had them for a while I guess, i just didn't identify correctly with my login 14:29 Oak ah 14:29 Oak cool 14:44 Oak pastebot? 14:44 wahanui pastebot is probably down. Could you restart it? 14:45 Oak paste? 14:45 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 14:45 pastebot "Oak" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Yahoo Memo About Using Their Web Mail" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/9 14:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #243 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec206d18980b2438cfe3da9e89455eda319dd8d7> 14:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1529 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11242: fix opac-MARCdetail.pl display and warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38503e18a38116646c9746b13f013b3c11fe55c1> 15:32 talljoy morning #koha 15:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #243: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/243/ 15:42 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Warnings in opac 15:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #244 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:22 barton good morning 16:33 reiveune bye 16:34 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #244: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/244/ 16:34 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: Bug 11242: fix opac-MARCdetail.pl display and warnings 16:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , fix opac-MARCdetail.pl bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings 16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1529: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1529/ 16:50 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC 16:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Warnings in opac 16:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1530 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:07 mtompset Has anyone else read the Wiki URL someone posted in the koha-devel mailing list? 18:07 gaetan_B bye ! 18:07 mtompset Doesn't anyone ever run the perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install steps anymore? 18:07 mtompset Bye, gaetan_B 18:08 wajasu i do :) 18:09 mtompset Because this wiki page was only created last month, and no mention of those steps are in it. 18:09 mtompset I'm thinking, "No wonder this guy had problems." 18:10 mtompset And then he's installing ice weasel on a development server. 18:10 mtompset Is there a need for that? 18:12 mtompset EEewww! He installs packages, and then overwrites the configuration for the git. 18:16 mtompset Do we really want to encourage people to use the latest zebra version by installing direct from indexdata.dk? 18:29 mtompset oh, I see why they want the packages. They want the command scripts. 18:29 barton hi pianohacker 18:29 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker barton. 18:30 pianohacker I hack pianos, not bartons. Jeez. 18:30 * barton has never been hacked by pianohacker 18:31 pianohacker not yet 18:33 barton I have a library who is saying that their self registration process is running slowly. I queried their borrower's table, and indeed, there are no borrowers with today's dateenrolled. 18:35 barton What drives the self card signup? Is there an upstream table that I can query to find the patron that should be added today? 18:46 pianohacker barton: What should happen is that, after the patron has entered all of their details, they get a verification email 18:47 pianohacker Well, if PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail is on, that is 18:48 barton pianohacker: what table are the patron's details entered into? Do they go directly into the borrowers table, or do they hit something else first? 18:49 pianohacker barton: It looks like they go into the borrower_modifications table first 18:49 barton aha. 18:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1530: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1530/ 18:52 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: Bug 11242: fix opac-MARCdetail.pl display and warnings 18:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , fix opac-MARCdetail.pl bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings 18:52 mtompset YAY! Less log noise. 18:53 cait yay vacation :) 18:55 mtompset How does everyone here feel about forced click through to follow instructions? 18:56 mtompset for example, what if the main instructions were just bullet points which said follow the instructions HERE. 18:56 cait i am against links that are named here. 18:56 cait ;) 18:57 cait and sorry, not sure i can follow 18:57 mtompset I am too, but you get the point. :P 18:57 cait maybe i missed the beginning? 18:57 mtompset For example, the debian instructions, the ubuntu instructions, and other debian-based OS'es all need to set up the koha repository. 18:58 mtompset what if I ripped that section out of those pages, and just linked to a "Set up the koha repository" page? 18:58 mtompset That's one half screen no longer duplicated in a million places. 18:59 cait it could work, but I think it might get confusing fast 18:59 mtompset (well, overexaggerated) 18:59 cait ideally we would only have a one printed page long guide for each 18:59 mtompset confusing how? 18:59 cait following links, getting confused about sequence 19:00 mtompset That's what split screens are for. left half, bullet points, right half the instructions. 19:00 mtompset But you are probably right. 19:01 cait we do it that way, but i think most people don't 19:01 mtompset I agree with that assessment. 19:04 wajasu i've like the way archlinux.org does their wiki. a page for a topic, with contents at the top to step through, and if there are alternative, advaced, troubleshooting links 19:04 wajasu then they link to other pages. 19:05 barton does the wiki have an 'include' macro? 19:06 cait barton: hm intersting question 19:06 cait maybe we could use a template? 19:06 cait have the 'non moving' parts in there 19:07 cait and welcome barton :) 19:07 barton thanks, cait! 19:07 cait :) 19:07 mtompset That would an idea. Then we only need to update the template parts when something improves/changes. :) 19:09 wajasu does it support TemplateToolkit? 19:15 mtompset It must have some sort of include, because there is the ability to include a "This page is super ancient, and is just good old history" type boxes. 19:17 cait i think it has lots of features i have no idea about 19:17 cait mediawiki an dme don't have a close friendship 19:17 cait but i know it can do lots of things 19:17 cait ashimema would know 19:21 wajasu http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion are a start 19:27 cait hi druthb 19:27 druthb o/ 19:31 pianohacker @coco++ 19:31 huginn pianohacker: downloading the Perl source 19:31 pianohacker woops 19:31 pianohacker coco++ 19:31 pianohacker https://github.com/satyr/coco/wiki/additions 19:32 pianohacker no, not submitting it in a Koha patch, but I am using it for a school project and loving it 19:32 druthb hi, pianohacker! good turkey day? 19:33 pianohacker oh, by far. It's my favorite holiday, and since my family had to move it early this year, I got to do it a second time at a friend's house :) 19:33 pianohacker you? 19:33 wahanui you is smart 19:33 pianohacker wahanui is complimentary! 19:33 pianohacker like the peanuts 19:35 druthb so far, so good. I got to my sweetie's house Wednesday night, and she's cooking up a big do on Saturday. 19:37 cait :) 22:12 francharb bye 23:27 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 23:28 reki hello guys 23:28 reki just a question: is there a syspref for setting a maximum limit of holds per item? 23:31 reki it seems I cannot use the "reki" nickname... 23:34 reki13 plz some help 23:34 reki13 is there a syspref for setting a maximum limit of holds per item? 23:37 reki13 I mean, hold limits in issuing rules applies for holds made by one single patron, 23:39 reki13 but, for instance, in reserve/request.pl there are (illimited?) holds from many patrons for the same biblio 23:53 pianohacker reki13: Doesn't look like it, from what I can see... 23:54 pianohacker gotta jet, bye all