IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-08

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00:13 * wizzyrea will have a look
00:39 * eythian notes that all the serials/subscription related tables reference a biblionumber, but don't have a constraint on it.
00:40 eythian that's probably not ideal
00:43 wizzyrea yikes.
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00:53 oleonard Hi again #koha
00:54 oleonard I'm curious whether anyone here has any VPS hosting recommendations (or dis-recommendations)
00:54 rangi i use linode for one
00:54 eythian Most people I know who know about that sort of thing use linode
00:55 rangi and
00:55 rangi for my other one
00:56 jcamins oleonard: I'd probably recommend linode.
00:58 oleonard As someone who has no experience managing servers I've always been reluctant to step up to VPS hosting. Am I going to get myself into trouble?
00:58 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Thanks for the feed back, I'll probably just extend the scope of the bug I'm working on to include fixing that behaviour then. :)
00:58 jcamins oleonard: nah.
00:58 wizzyrea hmm. well there's lots to learn, but nah.
00:59 mtompset VPS?
00:59 jcamins If you mess something up, you can just reimage.
00:59 wizzyrea ^
00:59 eythian oleonard: they're fairly screw-up-proof if you're at all careful
00:59 wizzyrea ^
01:00 mtompset We've begun a migration to Digital Ocean ( I'm pleased with it thus far.
01:00 mtompset VPS is Virtual Private Server.
01:00 jcamins And you'd have to *really* screw things up to reach the point of needing to reimage.
01:01 jcamins Wasn't DigitalOcean just acquired by GoDaddy?
01:02 mtompset I don't know.
01:02 oleonard Wasn't it MediaTemple?
01:02 jcamins oleonard: oh, maybe.
01:02 wizzyrea cait - still up?
01:03 wizzyrea heaven forbid.
01:03 jcamins Yeah, Media Temple was acquired.
01:03 cait nope
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01:03 mtompset Oops... sorry, should have clicked, and then cut and paste.
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01:08 mtompset Friends and colleagues most definitely will be affected by this. :(
01:09 oleonard Yikes
01:10 mtompset For the religious, please pray, and the non-religious, keep the Philippines in your thoughts.
01:13 wizzyrea i read about that earlier - it's a monster.
01:13 wizzyrea will definitely be thinking of those in the philippines.
01:15 mtompset :( Signal 4 in Masbate and Romblon.
01:15 mtompset Friends and projects are in those areas.
01:17 mtompset -- Looks like it will be massive destruction in a single day and a half.
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02:25 bag nice sauteed mushroom and onion on some blue cheese - in a nice roll  (yummy dinner)
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02:44 bag having met gmcharlt a few times now - I can totally see where his eyebrows would raise and he'd be smiling whenever I read an email from him now :)  really makes it awesome and I crack a big ole smile when reading those emails now :)
02:44 bag gmcharlt++
03:18 mtompset what is not equals in TT? != <>?
03:44 * wizzyrea gets ready for a foggy trip to the coast for a burger.
03:44 wizzyrea see you all next week. :)
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04:08 Oak Ahoy me hearties
04:08 Oak magnuse
04:08 Oak @wunder islamabad
04:26 Oak[…]f-ubuntu-privacy/
04:43 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:43 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:44 mtompset Hmmm... it would seem I have gone from adding a feature to Koha into refactoring all the news code into fixing the news code.
04:45 mtompset Whatever shall I do with bug 7567? Call it a mega fix, refactor, and enhancement?
05:25 mtompset Eeewwww... single line is short, but that is ugly to parse, papa.
05:26 mtompset bug 11183
05:26 papa hi there, what single line?
05:26 mtompset that grep portion on the join line.
05:27 papa what would you prefer? I'll do anything for a sign-off...
05:28 mtompset split the grep to a different line?
05:29 papa sure...
05:29 mtompset I haven't tested it yet... but I'm wondering...
05:30 mtompset let's say $blah->{ccode} doesn't exist.
05:30 mtompset won't your code trigger an error?
05:30 papa nope, autoviv
05:31 papa will return undef
05:35 mtompset okay... confirmed that with some testing code... interesting.. okay.
05:35 mtompset Let's try this patch out. :)
05:40 mtompset have an item with a collection code?
05:40 mtompset where is a collection code set, papa?
05:41 papa no idea, I had it on the database :(
05:42 papa should be on the item details
05:42 mtompset something like BK?
05:43 mtompset found it.
05:43 papa ok, where?
05:44 papa ah, edit items
05:44 mtompset Yep.
05:45 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Was this your error, papa?" (1 line) at
05:46 mtompset One of them.
05:46 wahanui hmmm... one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
05:46 papa that one should be fixed as well
05:48 mtompset hmmm... I triggered one you didn't fix.
05:48 mtompset Let's see if I can figure out how I did that.
05:49 papa magic...
05:49 wahanui
05:52 mtompset actually 626 triggered even on a simple search.
05:53 mtompset I'm trying to figure out how to trigger 576.
05:54 mtompset AH! going to an item without a collection code.
05:55 mtompset So, actually, regular search triggers 626.
05:55 mtompset and then opac detail on an item without a collection code triggers 576.
05:56 papa something like that
05:56 mtompset okay... let's see if that patch remedies it. :)
05:56 mtompset which eyeballing says it should.
05:59 mtompset Hmmm... gmcharlt you here?
06:00 mtompset @later tell gmcharlt Use of uninitialized value $code_wanted in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/ line 314. -- I was just searching for happy :)
06:01 mtompset well, papa the two warnings seem gone, but there's a lot more to find and correct. :)
06:02 papa I know :) now that we silence those, others will top the list
06:03 mtompset Actually, the preference you reference is irrelevant, I believe.
06:04 mtompset or not...
06:05 mtompset 626 must be related to the koha search history.
06:05 mtompset I still triggered 576 without it. :)
06:16 mtompset signed off, papa. :)
06:16 papa much obliged
06:17 mtompset No, thank you for helping reduce log flooding. :)
06:17 mtompset It helps find the real bugs.
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06:32 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
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06:39 * cait waves
06:41 mtompset Greetings, cait.
06:44 cait wizzyrea++
07:07 * magnuse waves
07:07 * magnuse needs to catch up on reading list mails and new bug reports
07:08 papa hey mtompset, what was the bug number for that map you want me to revisit?
07:09 mtompset map?
07:09 wahanui map is probably new in koha
07:09 mtompset probably bug 11077
07:10 mtompset I signed off the complex grep patch, if that is what you are asking about.
07:10 mtompset It's ugly to read, but it works.
07:10 papa sorry, grep
07:10 mtompset that was bug 11183, no mods needed.
07:10 mtompset Now we wait for QA to say, "Ooo... less flooding logs, simple enough to check and pass" ;)
07:12 papa mtompset: so who is going to merge all of those patches on 11077?
07:12 mtompset can't really merge in tcohen's.
07:12 mtompset It's already signed off.
07:13 mtompset but mine is a follow up on yours and his, so if you want to merge mine with your and simplify it into one, that would be okay.
07:13 papa ok, let me try
07:13 mtompset after all... I'm not about credit. I'm about less floody logs. :)
07:14 mtompset git rebase -i
07:14 papa sure
07:14 mtompset Anyways... I'm super late past my sleep time.
07:15 papa sure, good night
07:15 mtompset But filters fixed, code seems to be working... just need to find test file, if any...
07:15 mtompset and if not write some tests.
07:15 mtompset But I'll do that... later today after sleep. :)
07:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :)
07:16 * mtompset waves bye to magnuse cait papa Oak and others. :)
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07:47 reiveune hello
07:47 wahanui kai ora, reiveune
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08:13 ashimema mornin' all.. (those in the southern hemisphere at least)
08:13 ashimema good afternoon, good night to the rest of you ;)
08:13 magnuse hiya ashimema
08:14 magnuse it's morning near the top of the northern hemisphere too :-)
08:15 ashimema fair point ;)
08:15 magnuse it's even light outside :-)
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08:19 gaetan_B hello
08:23 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
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08:34 * kf waves
08:36 kivilahtio Joubu: regarding bug 9016. I would like to hear what developments you are undertaking regarding these enhancements?
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09:02 kf morning ashimema
09:02 ashimema Good morning KF
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09:46 kf looks like a quiet friday
09:58 Joubu kivilahtio: I don't understand your question :) The goal of this patch is to prepare the prepare the ground for others bug (linked to 9016).
09:58 Joubu s/prepare the//
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10:18 kivilahtio Joubu: I got it. I forgot to check the dependenices for that bug and it all makes sense now :)
10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Wow the messaging layer is pretty tricky and it is rather difficult to test youor code
10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Not saying there is anything wrong with your code, but it is complex and trying to get the big picture is challenging
10:19 kivilahtio which is nice :)
10:20 kivilahtio anyway have a great weekend, I gotta scram!
10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: my question was about actually implementing the functionality for print or feed or phone message types
10:22 kivilahtio we need to have real prints as well, so kinda curious how Koha deals with prints
10:22 kf kivilahtio: at kohacon there was a presentation about a library doing phone notification
10:22 kf it's already possible
10:22 kivilahtio kf: But there is no system preference to set where the print csv's are stored?
10:22 kf there are cronjobs i think generating them
10:23 kf maybe check out the slides- i didn't attend all of that session
10:23 kivilahtio kf: is there any documentation about the phone, feed and print?
10:23 kf but they did work to make it work with itiva
10:23 kivilahtio we have Ifo we need to integrate to :)
10:23 kivilahtio *Info*
10:23 kf feed doesn't work, print only for holds and overdues, using jobs - could be a lot nicer
10:24 kivilahtio I just learnt that one should not run more than once a day :)
10:25 kf that's true
10:26 kivilahtio kf: I think I am understanding how to deal with print
10:26 kivilahtio there are numerous cronjobs for different notification types?
10:26 kivilahtio and each needs to be configured separately
10:28 kivilahtio kf: Is cronjobs/ still in use? It is not documented?
10:30 kivilahtio I guess so, as it looks pretty handy
10:30 kivilahtio thanks kf for your advice! Have a good weekend
10:31 kf it is yes
10:32 kf afaik
10:32 kf i would like somthing better integrated into koha, with an option to download pdf files from staff
10:40 ashimema kf: whilst at kohacon you explained your marc uploads proceure.. remind me what script you use instead of bulkmarcimport?
10:40 kf we are using the staged import from command line sec
10:41 ashimema /tools/
10:41 kf and in misc
10:41 ashimema ah yes.. I see them now.
10:42 ashimema ack.. neither have a perldoc.
10:42 kf the names are kind of logical but make them easy to miss
10:42 kf -h should give you some info about the options
10:42 kf they work quite similar to what the gui can do
10:42 ashimema and remind me.. why do you use those instead of bulkmarkimpork with matching?
10:43 kf hm partially historical maybe, but i also like the undo options and that i can see my imports from the interface
10:43 kf i can check anytime what has been imported when
10:43 ashimema aha.. so they add to the imports table..
10:43 ashimema thats nice..
10:43 kf i think also some different options for item generation, would have to compare
10:44 kf and bulk learned matching later i think
10:44 kf it's completely as if you use the stage/manage marc import tools
10:45 ashimema cheers kf.. that explains a few things..
10:46 ashimema I still don't like that there's two ways to skin the cat.. but i kinda understand why now.
10:46 ashimema I take it they take in isomarc files.. not marcxml
10:47 kf i think so
10:47 kf i imagine it would not be too hard to add
10:47 kf we have been using the script since 3.0.something before 3.2
10:47 kf i think bulkmarcimport changed a lot since then
10:48 ashimema it certainly has changed allot
11:04 ashimema jcamins you around?
11:06 kf might still be a bit early, but with jcamins you never know
11:07 ashimema :)
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11:46 gerundio hi everyone
11:47 gerundio long time no see :)
11:47 gerundio is there anyway to choose which options are available in the master head search combo box in OPAC?
11:48 magnuse gerundio: don't think so, apart from tweaking it with jquery
11:49 gerundio I'm ignoring that workaround on purpose
11:49 gerundio so the final answer for me in no :)
11:49 gerundio thanks magnuse++
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12:03 magnuse hiya khall and tcohen
12:03 khall mornin magnuse & #koha!
12:07 magnuse wassup?!?
12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: run 3.12.x
12:08 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'run'
12:08 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: help
12:08 jenkins_koha Available commands:
12:08 jenkins_koha abort <job> - specify which job to abort
12:08 jenkins_koha alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
12:08 jenkins_koha botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
12:08 jenkins_koha build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
12:08 jenkins_koha cb - list jobs which are currently in progress
12:08 jenkins_koha comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
12:08 jenkins_koha currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress
12:08 jenkins_koha h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha q - show the state of the build queue
12:08 jenkins_koha queue - show the state of the build queue
12:08 jenkins_koha s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
12:08 jenkins_koha status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha userstat <username> - prints information about a Jenkins user
12:09 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x now
12:09 jenkins_koha tcohen: job Koha_3.12.x build scheduled now
12:09 tcohen OMG
12:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
12:09 magnuse jenkins_koha botsnack lutefisk
12:10 tcohen jenkins_koha botsnack fernet
12:10 magnuse jenkins_koha: botsnack lutefisk
12:10 jenkins_koha magnuse: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love lutefisk!
12:10 magnuse lol
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12:18 tcohen jenkins_koha: botsnack fernet
12:18 jenkins_koha tcohen: you're so kind to me! how did you know that fernet is my favorite food?
12:20 tcohen jenkins_koha: you are drunk
12:20 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you'
12:20 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
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12:27 * kf_lunch waves
12:27 kf_lunch jcamins: ?
12:28 magnuse jcamins?
12:28 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
12:28 magnuse hm, you learn something new every day
12:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #110: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/110/
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12:43 tcohen @later tell rangi there must be some error in Koha_3.12.x's script
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13:08 tcohen magnuse?
13:08 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant
13:08 magnuse tcohen?
13:08 wahanui tcohen is probably 122
13:09 tcohen magnuse: would you take a look at 9114?
13:09 tcohen its a long standing bug I plan to have in 3.12.7
13:09 tcohen (fixed, to have fixed heh)
13:13 magnuse tcohen: wish i had the time...
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13:21 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:50 tcohen np magnuse
13:54 jcamins Yes?
13:56 magnuse ping kf_lunch - jcamins is in da house!
13:57 kf_lunch heh
13:57 * kf_lunch nick kf
13:57 kf_lunch forgot i was still having lunch
13:57 magnuse and you still are!
13:57 kf now it's better
13:57 kf hi jcamins
13:57 jcamins Hello.
13:58 magnuse guess germans are thorough when it comes to their vormittagspeize too
13:58 kf mittagessen? :)
13:59 magnuse huh, i thought mittag was dinner?
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14:10 tcohen hi jcamins
14:10 jcamins o/
14:12 tcohen does anyone experience having tons of cgisess_* files in /tmp even when sessions are set to be handled by memcached?
14:17 magnuse tcohen: yeah, i have seen that when memcached has died
14:17 magnuse it's happened a couple of times
14:17 tcohen # service memcached status
14:17 tcohen * memcached is running
14:18 * tcohen thinks it might be poorly configured :-/
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14:27 oleonard dpavlin++ # for the Bug 11216 fix
14:28 magnuse tcohen: did you configure it in the right place? apache conf, not koha-conf.xml
14:28 * oleonard 's face falls when he realizes huginn still isn't here :(
14:28 tcohen i was missing the apache config
14:28 tcohen I didn't realize my patch for packages wasnt already on 3.12
14:30 tcohen is it even in master
14:32 magnuse "Bug 10733 - Memcached on package installs" is in master
14:32 tcohen thanks magnuse
14:33 magnuse that bug adds memcached config both to and :-)
14:33 magnuse i remove it again in "Bug 11167 - Remove memcached config from"
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14:33 magnuse ...which is just passed qa
14:35 tcohen when I wrote that 10733 patches I did it that way because I noticed it was still used somewhere...
14:35 tcohen actually...
14:35 tcohen it was a while ago, i'll try to remember
14:35 druthb o/
14:36 magnuse \o
14:36 druthb magnuse!
14:36 wahanui i heard magnuse was a Norwegian giant.
14:36 magnuse tcohen: oh noes! nice if you remember - that should be fixed
14:36 magnuse druthb: before i forget again: have you ever migrated from aleph to koha?
14:37 druthb magnuse:  hmm…I think so.
14:38 magnuse druthb: do you remember what it was like? e.g. on a scale from 1 to 10 ;-)
14:38 druthb I don't see any ILS-specific tools for that in my git repo, so if we did, I suspect we got MARCs with embedded items, and CSVs for everything else.  My generic tools would be able to mash that.  If that's the case, it'd be silly-easy.
14:38 magnuse goody
14:39 druthb Don't hold me to that; I could be remembering wrong.  But I think I did at least one of 'em.
14:39 magnuse i'll take "silly-easy" as an answer until further notice ;-)
14:40 druthb I am willing to do consult help, if you hit a wall.  :)  Shout if you need any help.
14:40 magnuse i'm also going to send an email to the list, to see what experience people have
14:40 magnuse druthb: cool!
14:41 magnuse ad the reason i'm asking is that there was a library running aleph that was curious about any libraris that have experience with switching from aleph to koha :-)
14:41 magnuse oh well, i gotta run!
14:41 magnuse have fun, #koha!
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14:52 * oleonard wonders which of these old dateofbirth values in his patron database are really valid... Probably not the one with the birth day 1 May 981.
14:53 * druthb chuckles
14:53 oleonard "Your account has expired because you should have by now"
14:53 kf oleonard:speaking of those - i had lots of problems yesterday with date of birth and patrons
14:53 kf are yo working on those by chance?
14:54 oleonard I discovered Bug 11220 because a bad patron dateofbirth value triggered an error
14:55 oleonard We have many patron accounts with the dateofbirth '0000-00-00' which Koha really ought to handle better.
14:55 oleonard I don't know if that's the same kind of thing you were dealing with kf?
14:57 oleonard Looks like Koha currently adds new patrons with '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth if you don't specify a value
14:57 oleonard I wonder if that is new?
14:58 oleonard 1. Create a new patron. Leave dateofbirth empty. 2. Save the record. 3. Open the record for editing. 4. Save the record without making changes. 5. Koha gives you an error: "Date of birth is invalid."
14:58 oleonard That's definitely a bug.
15:00 oleonard My production database doesn't list any new registrations which have '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth (3.10.x)
15:01 oleonard So I guess I have a tedious git bisect in my future :|
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15:25 vfernandes hi guys :)
15:25 vfernandes i have another tricky question
15:25 vfernandes i'm using koha authorities to manage a thesaurus
15:26 vfernandes BT (broader terms) and NT (narrower terms) are possible in Koha
15:26 vfernandes it's possible to have related terms? in thesaurus definition they are USE an UF
15:28 jcamins vfernandes: USE and UF are different from related terms.
15:28 vfernandes humm ok
15:28 vfernandes but are possible to implement in Koha?
15:28 jcamins Related terms (RT) are used when there are valid authority records for both terms.
15:28 jcamins Yes, that's what 5xx fields are.
15:29 vfernandes[…]
15:29 jcamins I see one related term.
15:29 vfernandes this example has 2 narrower terms, 1 broader term and one related term
15:30 vfernandes USE and UF can be implemented using wich letter in $5?
15:30 jcamins No, USE and UF are 4xx.
15:30 jcamins Not related terms at all.
15:30 vfernandes ok
15:30 jcamins You have one UF term, "Formação Área e Território"
15:31 jcamins And two USE terms, "Formação Sectorial" and "Formação Área"
15:31 jcamins Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
15:31 jcamins You might want to think about reviewing your mappings.
15:31 vfernandes this is only a test :D
15:32 vfernandes can you explain me how to do a USE?
15:32 jcamins You don't.
15:33 jcamins The way MARC thesauri work, you don't have records for non-preferred terms.
15:33 vfernandes ok... but you can enter the terms?
15:33 vfernandes on fields 4XX?
15:34 jcamins 4xx is for Used for.
15:34 tcohen magnus_away: i posted a small and simple followup
15:35 vfernandes so UF it's possible but USE not?
15:35 jcamins Right, because there are no records for the non-preferred terms.
15:38 vfernandes ok... there is anyway to "pass" the MARC thesauri limitations?
15:40 jcamins Not really.
15:40 jcamins Well- don't use MARC. But that doesn't really help.
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15:49 gmcharlt @quote random
15:49 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #217: "<slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?" (added by mtompset at 03:29 PM, September 26, 2012)
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15:49 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:52 druthb hi, mtompset!
15:52 tcohen hi gmcharlt
15:52 mtompset greetings, druthb tcohen.
15:52 gmcharlt howdy
15:52 mtompset Greetings gmcharlt . :)
15:52 druthb @quote random
15:52 huginn druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
15:52 tcohen heya mtompset
15:52 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
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15:55 oleonard Hm, looks like my patron date problem was caused by a change to
15:55 oleonard git bisect blames Bug 10403
15:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to set fund/budget on receipt
15:55 oleonard huginn!
15:58 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:59 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:59 mtompset I'm looking at it. :)
16:01 oleonard Bug 11221
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty
16:01 mtompset Wouldn't create your own apt-repository be better as a separate wiki page?
16:01 tcohen that's how we deploy our home-backed koha-common packages
16:02 tcohen ah, that could be another option, you're right
16:02 mtompset but then most certainly link to it from this one. :)
16:02 vfernandes thanks jcamins... jcamins++
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16:14 tcohen mtompset: done
16:15 liw hm, my CV does not mention Perl
16:15 tcohen is it possible that I hate (a lot) how the Wiki is organized
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16:21 kf oleonard: yes, that's what i saw (... an still reading back)
16:21 mtompset tcohen: you mean it is organized?!
16:21 mtompset Because if you assume that, there is a lot to hate.
16:23 Barrc Hey all, quick "submitting a patch question". If changing the DB structure I need a $DBversion, is it just the revision of Koha I have cloned e.g ""?
16:24 mtompset Barrc: in you use XXX for the last 3.
16:25 mtompset It's the responsibility of the RM to change it.
16:25 mtompset and you don't change
16:25 Barrc Oh! Cool, that makes sense. Thanks
16:25 mtompset right, gmcharlt?
16:25 gmcharlt correct
16:25 * mtompset notes that gmcharlt is 3.16 and 3.14 RM.
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16:32 ashimema The wiki could really do with a good tidying..
16:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #213 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:32 * ashimema seems to remember someone volunteering at kohacon13 hackfest
16:33 ashimema kf.. who was it that wanted to attack the wiki for us?
16:33 kf hmmm maybe joel? but I think it was someone else even
16:34 ashimema that's the one.. Joel was deffo keen on helping with wiki
16:34 kf i don't think the categories in the wiki really work for us currently
16:34 kf there are way too many
16:34 kf all the scrolling when you edit a page is quite terrible
16:34 ashimema we have too many bad plugins that make it even more confusing too.
16:35 ashimema It could do with someone taking it on.. making it read only for a couple of weeks whilst they sort it out on a local copy.
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16:37 kf hm not sure taking it off the web a couple of weeks would be good - but maybe you could work in sectiosn
16:37 kf for example we should markt he old rfcs
16:37 kf they are confusing for people - thinking the features are really in koha that way
16:37 ashimema i don't mean take it away completely.. jsut stick it in read only mode.
16:37 ashimema that way it can stay as a reference but can't be updated whilst someone is trying to fix it
16:38 ashimema the RFC's should have a really clear workflow and status on them.. otherwise they're more than useless and confusing.
16:41 kf Agreed, not sure how to do it best in mediawiki tho
16:41 kf i never really got warm with it, i am more a dokuwiki type of person still :)
16:41 ashimema easy.. use templates
16:42 kf half the time i end up changing the template instead of using it... i should learn how to use them
16:42 ashimema mediawiki is crazy powerfull.. jsut has a slight learning curve to start with... if someone takes the time to set up a bunch of templates and write some rules ofr their use then they work great!
16:42 ashimema I'm also a big fan of forms..
16:43 ashimema so create a template, then create a from so filling out said template is easier..
16:43 ashimema We have a customers only wiki for evergreen that looks great because it was planned from day one.. I wish our inranet wiki was as good ;)
16:44 kf ashimema: you will make us volunteer you for it...
16:44 kf if you don't stop sounding so knowledgeable
16:45 ashimema mmm...  most of it's in the planning.. I'de be happy to help implement if we worked out a plan.
16:45 ashimema who hosts the wiki anyways?
16:47 kf ah sec
16:47 kf that's on the start page at least :)
16:47 kf[…]
16:48 ashimema haha..
16:49 ashimema Equinox
16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search <[…]99d7dd7e0c380ffbd>
16:55 kf bye all :)
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16:59 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:59 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.1°C (10:59 AM CST on November 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
16:59 gmcharlt ashimema: send me a note with what you have in mind
16:59 rambutan hey, he's back
17:01 gmcharlt but TBH, I think incremental changes beats "lock the wiki for two weeks", especially since we're talking about a wiki that essentially has to let any non-spammer join it
17:05 ashimema Yeah.. maybe incremental is best..
17:05 ashimema Whats the traffic on the wiki in terms of edits like?
17:05 ashimema A fast moving target is very hard to clean up.. hense my thoughts on locking it read only for a short period.
17:07 ashimema I'd love to see some drastic cutting back on the categories we have with some clear guidelines on what categories are for so people put their pages in the right place to start with.. then also use semantic mediawiki for 'tagging' pages for search reasons.
17:10 ashimema I'd also like to cut back on the navigation related plugins we have.. having 'CategoryTree', 'Multi-Category Search', 'BreadCrumbs', 'Category Breadcrumb' and 'SelectCategory' all enabled at the same time is plain confusing for all..
17:10 gmcharlt average is roughly 10 edits a day; while making it read-only for a couple days is reasonable, I would hope that a sufficiently well-managed reorganzation effort that does some protoyping first wouldn't require longer than that
17:11 ashimema Fair point..
17:11 ashimema I'm coming to that conclusion too now as it happens..
17:12 reiveune bye
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17:12 gmcharlt more importantly, though -- if you want to reorganize the wiki, are you willing to commit to act for (say) at least six months as a wiki manager to both teach folks how to work with the new scheme and to keep things tidy?
17:14 ashimema Hmm... time is always at a president.
17:15 ashimema but it does sound like there are a fair few more people than me who would like to see the wiki more usable again.
17:16 gmcharlt well, lots of people want things -- that's a constant
17:16 ashimema very true
17:16 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
17:17 ashimema Might see if i can get in touch with Joel as he was very interested in contributing to a wiki tidy up..  I've committed to such things on other wiki's so could possibly help lead the way. (I did allot on openstreetmaps way back and ran our two internal wiki's at ptfs europe)
17:17 gmcharlt I'm not trying to dissuade you, but I am suggesting that a reorg that includes follow-through for a reasonably long period of time is better than is allowed to immdiately decay
17:18 gmcharlt *one that is allowed
17:18 ashimema yeah.. it would need maintenance..  hence my thoughts on trying to get Joel onboard.
17:19 ashimema Are there things holding us back from upgrading mediawiki out of interest?
17:20 jcamins ashimema: interest?
17:20 wahanui interest is bunched in particular regions.
17:20 jcamins ;)
17:21 gmcharlt ashimema: and tuits
17:23 ashimema tuits?
17:23 oleonard Tuits are what you have when you have the time get 'round to it
17:24 ashimema I see..
17:24 ashimema Americanism me thinks.. never heard that before
17:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #213: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/213/
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
17:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
17:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
17:24 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/
17:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/
17:24 oleonard It may even be a gmcharltism ashimema ;)
17:24 ashimema I see our mediawiki is running on postgres.. that certainly make upgrade more challenging..
17:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #214 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:25 jcamins I think a gmcharltism. I don't think I've ever heard it from anyone who doesn't talk with gmcharlt a lot.
17:26 gmcharlt it's not original to me, though -- I first heard it from my colleaques at Equinox
17:26 ashimema all makes sense now
17:37 gaetan_B bye !
17:37 mtompset get around to it? I guess it could be a North American idiom.
17:43 talljoy back
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17:53 ashimema time to clock off
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18:05 tcohen gmcharlt: i've attached a followup for the usmarc->marcxml patch series
18:06 tcohen so it uses the new MARC::FIeld->as_string functionality
18:06 tcohen question: is it ok that I also pushed the dependencies to higher versions?
18:06 gmcharlt ok
18:06 tcohen MARC::Record 2.0.6 and MARC::File::XML 1.0.1
18:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #214: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/214/
18:14 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
18:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
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18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #111 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 1 day ago)
18:36 tcohen gmcharlt: is there access to the scripts jenkins runs? i'd like to fix whatever is needed in the build node for jenkins to give useful info :-D
18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1499: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1499/
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
18:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
18:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
18:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/
18:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/
18:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1500 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:51 JWellner Good morning Nicole!
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18:54 gmcharlt tcohen: I don't think I have credentials for the 'Bernardo' box, though I bet you do
18:55 gmcharlt if only by saying, "hey, bgkriegel, let me in!"
18:55 gmcharlt ;)
18:59 gmcharlt tcohen: juding by the logs, at minimum it looks like you need to get Devel::CoverReport onto that box
19:00 gmcharlt other modules that rangi had installed from CPAN on my build sliave when it set it up are TAP::Harness::JUnit and  HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
19:02 tcohen It says smth about missing parameters to cover
19:02 tcohen I installed most missing perl libs
19:02 jcamins tcohen: I think you need the install Devel::Cover from cpan, because the version that is packaged is too old.
19:04 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #111: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/111/
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Add unit tests for ILSDI::Services::AuthenticatePatron
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Allow authentication with cardnumber for ILS-DI
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Follow up - prevent t/00-load from failing
19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10667: (follow-up) fix reference to UT library in test case
19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent
19:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber
19:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent
19:04 gmcharlt tcohen++ # looks like you got it
19:04 cait lots of my patches pushed today
19:04 cait i like that heh :)
19:16 rangi Jenkins should be happy now. Signing off as I walk into a room with 750 hackers, see you all in a couple of days
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19:17 rambutan wow, how much coffee would you need to support 750 hackers?
19:21 rambutan 750 X 6 cups/day = 4,500 cups = 1,125 quarts/liters = 281 gallons/quadraliters
19:23 JWellner or the output of one small starbucks....
19:24 jcamins JWellner: according to a random website that came up when I searched "how much coffee does a starbucks make in a day," that's actually *three* Starbucks stores.
19:26 JWellner On average or one of the ones in the Pac NW? :)
19:26 druthb lol
19:27 JWellner rofl :)
19:28 rambutan humm, wonder if they grow coffee in NZ, lemme ask google
19:30 rambutan apparently not of any significance
19:32 JWellner I'd have to ask my buddy who lives down there.
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19:34 talljoy hi jeremywellner_ and JWellner
19:35 jeremywellner_ Hi Joy!
19:35 bag hello
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20:32 mtompset @later tell papa My bad! I thought I had put up a patch, which I hadn't. :( Sorry.
20:32 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
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20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1500: SUCCESS in 1 hr 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1500/
20:33 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
20:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
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21:16 joels68 Greetings Kohans.
21:19 oleonard Have a good weekend Kohans.
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22:42 talljoy back
22:55 rambutan the party's over talljoy, the weekend is up!
22:55 talljoy pfft
22:55 talljoy my work week is still here.
22:55 talljoy :-(
22:55 talljoy got to move a library tonight and tomorrow nigt.
22:56 talljoy but rambutan i wish i could leave like everyone else.  lol
22:56 rambutan ah
22:56 talljoy we've been 'left behind' argh
23:02 jeremywellner_ watch for zombies....
23:03 bag I see walkers everywhere
23:04 * bag is just in his second season of the walking dead
23:04 * talljoy doesn't understand the popularity of zombies
23:04 talljoy there i said it.
23:04 talljoy i just don't get it
23:06 pianohacker once you get bitten by a fad like that you just get can't enough of it though
23:06 jeremywellner_ Well of course zombies aren't popular... they are not the sorts of former people you'd want to invite over to your parents for dinner
23:07 jeremywellner_ Even zombie cheerleaders and football players who were once popular are now targeted for their appearance and intellect
23:08 jeremywellner_ All they want to do is gain your acceptance (and other parts of you... psyche or otherwise)
23:08 jeremywellner_ and live in a utopia of their own choosing
23:08 jeremywellner_ thus representing the dreams of millions of immigrants coming to America
23:09 jeremywellner_ who come here to create a new and prosperous life for themselves...
23:09 jeremywellner_ Is that so bad Joy?
23:10 jeremywellner_ Would you deny the American Dream to millions of former people who just need a little help to stay on their feet?
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