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23:58 talljoy back
23:10 jeremywellner_ Would you deny the American Dream to millions of former people who just need a little help to stay on their feet?
23:09 jeremywellner_ Is that so bad Joy?
23:09 jeremywellner_ who come here to create a new and prosperous life for themselves...
23:08 jeremywellner_ thus representing the dreams of millions of immigrants coming to America
23:08 jeremywellner_ and live in a utopia of their own choosing
23:08 jeremywellner_ All they want to do is gain your acceptance (and other parts of you... psyche or otherwise)
23:07 jeremywellner_ Even zombie cheerleaders and football players who were once popular are now targeted for their appearance and intellect
23:06 jeremywellner_ Well of course zombies aren't popular... they are not the sorts of former people you'd want to invite over to your parents for dinner
23:06 pianohacker once you get bitten by a fad like that you just get can't enough of it though
23:04 talljoy i just don't get it
23:04 talljoy there i said it.
23:04 * talljoy doesn't understand the popularity of zombies
23:04 * bag is just in his second season of the walking dead
23:03 bag I see walkers everywhere
23:02 jeremywellner_ watch for zombies....
22:56 talljoy we've been 'left behind' argh
22:56 rambutan ah
22:56 talljoy but rambutan i wish i could leave like everyone else. lol
22:55 talljoy got to move a library tonight and tomorrow nigt.
22:55 talljoy :-(
22:55 talljoy my work week is still here.
22:55 talljoy pfft
22:55 rambutan the party's over talljoy, the weekend is up!
22:42 talljoy back
21:19 oleonard Have a good weekend Kohans.
21:16 joels68 Greetings Kohans.
20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
20:33 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1500: SUCCESS in 1 hr 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1500/
20:32 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
20:32 mtompset @later tell papa My bad! I thought I had put up a patch, which I hadn't. :( Sorry.
19:35 bag hello
19:35 jeremywellner_ Hi Joy!
19:34 talljoy hi jeremywellner_ and JWellner
19:32 JWellner I'd have to ask my buddy who lives down there.
19:30 rambutan apparently not of any significance
19:28 rambutan humm, wonder if they grow coffee in NZ, lemme ask google
19:27 JWellner rofl :)
19:26 druthb lol
19:26 JWellner On average or one of the ones in the Pac NW? :)
19:24 jcamins JWellner: according to a random website that came up when I searched "how much coffee does a starbucks make in a day," that's actually *three* Starbucks stores.
19:23 JWellner or the output of one small starbucks....
19:21 rambutan 750 X 6 cups/day = 4,500 cups = 1,125 quarts/liters = 281 gallons/quadraliters
19:17 rambutan wow, how much coffee would you need to support 750 hackers?
19:16 rangi Jenkins should be happy now. Signing off as I walk into a room with 750 hackers, see you all in a couple of days
19:04 cait i like that heh :)
19:04 cait lots of my patches pushed today
19:04 gmcharlt tcohen++ # looks like you got it
19:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent
19:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber
19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent
19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10667: (follow-up) fix reference to UT library in test case
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Follow up - prevent t/00-load from failing
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Allow authentication with cardnumber for ILS-DI
19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Add unit tests for ILSDI::Services::AuthenticatePatron
19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #111: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/111/
19:04 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:02 jcamins tcohen: I think you need the install Devel::Cover from cpan, because the version that is packaged is too old.
19:02 tcohen I installed most missing perl libs
19:02 tcohen It says smth about missing parameters to cover
19:00 gmcharlt other modules that rangi had installed from CPAN on my build sliave when it set it up are TAP::Harness::JUnit and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
18:59 gmcharlt tcohen: juding by the logs, at minimum it looks like you need to get Devel::CoverReport onto that box
18:55 gmcharlt ;)
18:55 gmcharlt if only by saying, "hey, bgkriegel, let me in!"
18:54 gmcharlt tcohen: I don't think I have credentials for the 'Bernardo' box, though I bet you do
18:51 JWellner Good morning Nicole!
18:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1500 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt
18:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt
18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
18:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1499: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1499/
18:36 tcohen gmcharlt: is there access to the scripts jenkins runs? i'd like to fix whatever is needed in the build node for jenkins to give useful info :-D
18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #111 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 1 day ago)
18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
18:14 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
18:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #214: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/214/
18:06 tcohen MARC::Record 2.0.6 and MARC::File::XML 1.0.1
18:06 gmcharlt ok
18:06 tcohen question: is it ok that I also pushed the dependencies to higher versions?
18:06 tcohen so it uses the new MARC::FIeld->as_string functionality
18:05 tcohen gmcharlt: i've attached a followup for the usmarc->marcxml patch series
17:53 ashimema time to clock off
17:43 talljoy back
17:37 mtompset get around to it? I guess it could be a North American idiom.
17:37 gaetan_B bye !
17:26 ashimema all makes sense now
17:26 gmcharlt it's not original to me, though -- I first heard it from my colleaques at Equinox
17:25 jcamins I think a gmcharltism. I don't think I've ever heard it from anyone who doesn't talk with gmcharlt a lot.
17:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #214 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:24 ashimema I see our mediawiki is running on postgres.. that certainly make upgrade more challenging..
17:24 oleonard It may even be a gmcharltism ashimema ;)
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt
17:24 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt
17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
17:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
17:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #213: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/213/
17:24 ashimema Americanism me thinks.. never heard that before
17:24 ashimema I see..
17:23 oleonard Tuits are what you have when you have the time get 'round to it
17:23 ashimema tuits?
17:21 gmcharlt ashimema: and tuits
17:20 jcamins ;)
17:20 wahanui interest is bunched in particular regions.
17:20 jcamins ashimema: interest?
17:19 ashimema Are there things holding us back from upgrading mediawiki out of interest?
17:18 ashimema yeah.. it would need maintenance.. hence my thoughts on trying to get Joel onboard.
17:18 gmcharlt *one that is allowed
17:17 gmcharlt I'm not trying to dissuade you, but I am suggesting that a reorg that includes follow-through for a reasonably long period of time is better than is allowed to immdiately decay
17:17 ashimema Might see if i can get in touch with Joel as he was very interested in contributing to a wiki tidy up.. I've committed to such things on other wiki's so could possibly help lead the way. (I did allot on openstreetmaps way back and ran our two internal wiki's at ptfs europe)
17:16 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
17:16 ashimema very true
17:16 gmcharlt well, lots of people want things -- that's a constant
17:15 ashimema but it does sound like there are a fair few more people than me who would like to see the wiki more usable again.
17:14 ashimema Hmm... time is always at a president.
17:12 gmcharlt more importantly, though -- if you want to reorganize the wiki, are you willing to commit to act for (say) at least six months as a wiki manager to both teach folks how to work with the new scheme and to keep things tidy?
17:12 reiveune bye
17:11 ashimema I'm coming to that conclusion too now as it happens..
17:11 ashimema Fair point..
17:10 gmcharlt average is roughly 10 edits a day; while making it read-only for a couple days is reasonable, I would hope that a sufficiently well-managed reorganzation effort that does some protoyping first wouldn't require longer than that
17:10 ashimema I'd also like to cut back on the navigation related plugins we have.. having 'CategoryTree', 'Multi-Category Search', 'BreadCrumbs', 'Category Breadcrumb' and 'SelectCategory' all enabled at the same time is plain confusing for all..
17:07 ashimema I'd love to see some drastic cutting back on the categories we have with some clear guidelines on what categories are for so people put their pages in the right place to start with.. then also use semantic mediawiki for 'tagging' pages for search reasons.
17:05 ashimema A fast moving target is very hard to clean up.. hense my thoughts on locking it read only for a short period.
17:05 ashimema Whats the traffic on the wiki in terms of edits like?
17:05 ashimema Yeah.. maybe incremental is best..
17:01 gmcharlt but TBH, I think incremental changes beats "lock the wiki for two weeks", especially since we're talking about a wiki that essentially has to let any non-spammer join it
16:59 rambutan hey, he's back
16:59 gmcharlt ashimema: send me a note with what you have in mind
16:59 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.1°C (10:59 AM CST on November 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
16:59 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:55 kf bye all :)
16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a290309daf1b0984ff168d399d7dd7e0c380ffbd>
16:49 ashimema Equinox
16:48 ashimema haha..
16:47 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org
16:47 kf that's on the start page at least :)
16:47 kf ah sec
16:45 ashimema who hosts the wiki anyways?
16:45 ashimema mmm... most of it's in the planning.. I'de be happy to help implement if we worked out a plan.
16:44 kf if you don't stop sounding so knowledgeable
16:44 kf ashimema: you will make us volunteer you for it...
16:43 ashimema We have a customers only wiki for evergreen that looks great because it was planned from day one.. I wish our inranet wiki was as good ;)
16:43 ashimema so create a template, then create a from so filling out said template is easier..
16:42 ashimema I'm also a big fan of forms..
16:42 ashimema mediawiki is crazy powerfull.. jsut has a slight learning curve to start with... if someone takes the time to set up a bunch of templates and write some rules ofr their use then they work great!
16:42 kf half the time i end up changing the template instead of using it... i should learn how to use them
16:41 ashimema easy.. use templates
16:41 kf i never really got warm with it, i am more a dokuwiki type of person still :)
16:41 kf Agreed, not sure how to do it best in mediawiki tho
16:38 ashimema the RFC's should have a really clear workflow and status on them.. otherwise they're more than useless and confusing.
16:37 ashimema that way it can stay as a reference but can't be updated whilst someone is trying to fix it
16:37 ashimema i don't mean take it away completely.. jsut stick it in read only mode.
16:37 kf they are confusing for people - thinking the features are really in koha that way
16:37 kf for example we should markt he old rfcs
16:37 kf hm not sure taking it off the web a couple of weeks would be good - but maybe you could work in sectiosn
16:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1499 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:35 ashimema It could do with someone taking it on.. making it read only for a couple of weeks whilst they sort it out on a local copy.
16:34 ashimema we have too many bad plugins that make it even more confusing too.
16:34 kf all the scrolling when you edit a page is quite terrible
16:34 kf there are way too many
16:34 kf i don't think the categories in the wiki really work for us currently
16:34 ashimema that's the one.. Joel was deffo keen on helping with wiki
16:33 kf hmmm maybe joel? but I think it was someone else even
16:33 ashimema kf.. who was it that wanted to attack the wiki for us?
16:32 * ashimema seems to remember someone volunteering at kohacon13 hackfest
16:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #213 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:32 ashimema The wiki could really do with a good tidying..
16:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31e9c90e2b509919f4028aa0a8e69332df04e7e1> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87470f394aa58e7ea1d89cadffc8d724b433cd80> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a
16:25 * mtompset notes that gmcharlt is 3.16 and 3.14 RM.
16:25 gmcharlt correct
16:25 mtompset right, gmcharlt?
16:25 Barrc Oh! Cool, that makes sense. Thanks
16:25 mtompset and you don't change kohaversion.pl
16:25 mtompset It's the responsibility of the RM to change it.
16:24 mtompset Barrc: in updatedatabase.pl you use XXX for the last 3.
16:23 Barrc Hey all, quick "submitting a patch question". If changing the DB structure I need a $DBversion, is it just the revision of Koha I have cloned e.g "3.13.00.042"?
16:21 mtompset Because if you assume that, there is a lot to hate.
16:21 mtompset tcohen: you mean it is organized?!
16:21 kf oleonard: yes, that's what i saw (... an still reading back)
16:15 tcohen is it possible that I hate (a lot) how the Wiki is organized
16:15 liw hm, my CV does not mention Perl
16:14 tcohen mtompset: done
16:02 vfernandes thanks jcamins... jcamins++
16:02 mtompset but then most certainly link to it from this one. :)
16:02 tcohen ah, that could be another option, you're right
16:01 tcohen that's how we deploy our home-backed koha-common packages
16:01 mtompset Wouldn't create your own apt-repository be better as a separate wiki page?
16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty
16:01 oleonard Bug 11221
15:59 mtompset I'm looking at it. :)
15:59 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:58 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:55 oleonard huginn!
15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to set fund/budget on receipt
15:55 oleonard git bisect blames Bug 10403
15:55 oleonard Hm, looks like my patron date problem was caused by a change to SQLHelper.pm?
15:52 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
15:52 tcohen heya mtompset
15:52 huginn druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
15:52 druthb @quote random
15:52 mtompset Greetings gmcharlt . :)
15:52 gmcharlt howdy
15:52 mtompset greetings, druthb tcohen.
15:52 tcohen hi gmcharlt
15:52 druthb hi, mtompset!
15:49 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:49 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #217: "<slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?" (added by mtompset at 03:29 PM, September 26, 2012)
15:49 gmcharlt @quote random
15:40 jcamins Well- don't use MARC. But that doesn't really help.
15:40 jcamins Not really.
15:38 vfernandes ok... there is anyway to "pass" the MARC thesauri limitations?
15:35 jcamins Right, because there are no records for the non-preferred terms.
15:35 vfernandes so UF it's possible but USE not?
15:34 tcohen magnus_away: i posted a small and simple followup
15:34 jcamins 4xx is for Used for.
15:33 vfernandes on fields 4XX?
15:33 vfernandes ok... but you can enter the terms?
15:33 jcamins The way MARC thesauri work, you don't have records for non-preferred terms.
15:32 jcamins You don't.
15:32 vfernandes can you explain me how to do a USE?
15:31 vfernandes this is only a test :D
15:31 jcamins You might want to think about reviewing your mappings.
15:31 jcamins Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
15:31 jcamins And two USE terms, "Formação Sectorial" and "Formação Ãrea"
15:30 jcamins You have one UF term, "Formação Ãrea e Território"
15:30 vfernandes ok
15:30 jcamins Not related terms at all.
15:30 jcamins No, USE and UF are 4xx.
15:30 vfernandes USE and UF can be implemented using wich letter in $5?
15:29 vfernandes this example has 2 narrower terms, 1 broader term and one related term
15:29 jcamins I see one related term.
15:29 vfernandes http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=24224
15:28 jcamins Yes, that's what 5xx fields are.
15:28 jcamins Related terms (RT) are used when there are valid authority records for both terms.
15:28 vfernandes but are possible to implement in Koha?
15:28 vfernandes humm ok
15:28 jcamins vfernandes: USE and UF are different from related terms.
15:26 vfernandes it's possible to have related terms? in thesaurus definition they are USE an UF
15:26 vfernandes BT (broader terms) and NT (narrower terms) are possible in Koha
15:25 vfernandes i'm using koha authorities to manage a thesaurus
15:25 vfernandes i have another tricky question
15:25 vfernandes hi guys :)
15:01 oleonard So I guess I have a tedious git bisect in my future :|
15:00 oleonard My production database doesn't list any new registrations which have '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth (3.10.x)
14:58 oleonard That's definitely a bug.
14:58 oleonard 1. Create a new patron. Leave dateofbirth empty. 2. Save the record. 3. Open the record for editing. 4. Save the record without making changes. 5. Koha gives you an error: "Date of birth is invalid."
14:57 oleonard I wonder if that is new?
14:57 oleonard Looks like Koha currently adds new patrons with '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth if you don't specify a value
14:55 oleonard I don't know if that's the same kind of thing you were dealing with kf?
14:55 oleonard We have many patron accounts with the dateofbirth '0000-00-00' which Koha really ought to handle better.
14:54 oleonard I discovered Bug 11220 because a bad patron dateofbirth value triggered an error
14:53 kf are yo working on those by chance?
14:53 kf oleonard:speaking of those - i had lots of problems yesterday with date of birth and patrons
14:53 oleonard "Your account has expired because you should have by now"
14:53 * druthb chuckles
14:52 * oleonard wonders which of these old dateofbirth values in his patron database are really valid... Probably not the one with the birth day 1 May 981.
14:41 magnuse have fun, #koha!
14:41 magnuse oh well, i gotta run!
14:41 magnuse ad the reason i'm asking is that there was a library running aleph that was curious about any libraris that have experience with switching from aleph to koha :-)
14:40 magnuse druthb: cool!
14:40 magnuse i'm also going to send an email to the list, to see what experience people have
14:40 druthb I am willing to do consult help, if you hit a wall. :) Shout if you need any help.
14:39 magnuse i'll take "silly-easy" as an answer until further notice ;-)
14:39 druthb Don't hold me to that; I could be remembering wrong. But I think I did at least one of 'em.
14:38 magnuse goody
14:38 druthb I don't see any ILS-specific tools for that in my git repo, so if we did, I suspect we got MARCs with embedded items, and CSVs for everything else. My generic tools would be able to mash that. If that's the case, it'd be silly-easy.
14:38 magnuse druthb: do you remember what it was like? e.g. on a scale from 1 to 10 ;-)
14:37 druthb magnuse: hmm…I think so.
14:36 magnuse druthb: before i forget again: have you ever migrated from aleph to koha?
14:36 magnuse tcohen: oh noes! nice if you remember - that should be fixed
14:36 wahanui i heard magnuse was a Norwegian giant.
14:36 druthb magnuse!
14:36 magnuse \o
14:35 druthb o/
14:35 tcohen it was a while ago, i'll try to remember
14:35 tcohen actually...
14:35 tcohen when I wrote that 10733 patches I did it that way because I noticed it was still used somewhere...
14:33 magnuse ...which is just passed qa
14:33 magnuse i remove it again in "Bug 11167 - Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in"
14:33 magnuse that bug adds memcached config both to apache-site.conf.in and koha-conf-site.xml.in :-)
14:32 tcohen thanks magnuse
14:32 magnuse "Bug 10733 - Memcached on package installs" is in master
14:30 tcohen is it even in master
14:28 tcohen I didn't realize my patch for packages wasnt already on 3.12
14:28 tcohen i was missing the apache config
14:28 * oleonard 's face falls when he realizes huginn still isn't here :(
14:28 magnuse tcohen: did you configure it in the right place? apache conf, not koha-conf.xml
14:27 oleonard dpavlin++ # for the Bug 11216 fix
14:18 * tcohen thinks it might be poorly configured :-/
14:17 tcohen * memcached is running
14:17 tcohen # service memcached status
14:17 magnuse it's happened a couple of times
14:17 magnuse tcohen: yeah, i have seen that when memcached has died
14:12 tcohen does anyone experience having tons of cgisess_* files in /tmp even when sessions are set to be handled by memcached?
14:10 jcamins o/
14:10 tcohen hi jcamins
13:59 magnuse huh, i thought mittag was dinner?
13:58 kf mittagessen? :)
13:58 magnuse guess germans are thorough when it comes to their vormittagspeize too
13:57 jcamins Hello.
13:57 kf hi jcamins
13:57 kf now it's better
13:57 magnuse and you still are!
13:57 kf_lunch forgot i was still having lunch
13:57 * kf_lunch nick kf
13:57 kf_lunch heh
13:56 magnuse ping kf_lunch - jcamins is in da house!
13:54 jcamins Yes?
13:50 tcohen np magnuse
13:21 oleonard Hi #koha
13:13 magnuse tcohen: wish i had the time...
13:09 tcohen (fixed, to have fixed heh)
13:09 tcohen its a long standing bug I plan to have in 3.12.7
13:09 tcohen magnuse: would you take a look at 9114?
13:08 wahanui tcohen is probably 122
13:08 magnuse tcohen?
13:08 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant
13:08 tcohen magnuse?
12:43 tcohen @later tell rangi there must be some error in Koha_3.12.x's script
12:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #110: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/110/
12:28 magnuse hm, you learn something new every day
12:28 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
12:28 magnuse jcamins?
12:27 kf_lunch jcamins: ?
12:27 * kf_lunch waves
12:20 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
12:20 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you'
12:20 tcohen jenkins_koha: you are drunk
12:18 jenkins_koha tcohen: you're so kind to me! how did you know that fernet is my favorite food?
12:18 tcohen jenkins_koha: botsnack fernet
12:10 magnuse lol
12:10 jenkins_koha magnuse: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love lutefisk!
12:10 magnuse jenkins_koha: botsnack lutefisk
12:10 tcohen jenkins_koha botsnack fernet
12:09 magnuse jenkins_koha botsnack lutefisk
12:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
12:09 tcohen OMG
12:09 jenkins_koha tcohen: job Koha_3.12.x build scheduled now
12:09 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x now
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12:08 jenkins_koha botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
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12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: help
12:08 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
12:08 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'run'
12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: run 3.12.x
12:07 magnuse wassup?!?
12:03 khall mornin magnuse & #koha!
12:03 magnuse hiya khall and tcohen
11:49 gerundio thanks magnuse++
11:49 gerundio so the final answer for me in no :)
11:49 gerundio I'm ignoring that workaround on purpose
11:48 magnuse gerundio: don't think so, apart from tweaking it with jquery
11:47 gerundio is there anyway to choose which options are available in the master head search combo box in OPAC?
11:47 gerundio long time no see :)
11:46 gerundio hi everyone
11:07 ashimema :)
11:06 kf might still be a bit early, but with jcamins you never know
11:04 ashimema jcamins you around?
10:48 ashimema it certainly has changed allot
10:47 kf i think bulkmarcimport changed a lot since then
10:47 kf we have been using the script since 3.0.something before 3.2
10:47 kf i imagine it would not be too hard to add
10:47 kf i think so
10:46 ashimema I take it they take in isomarc files.. not marcxml
10:46 ashimema I still don't like that there's two ways to skin the cat.. but i kinda understand why now.
10:45 ashimema cheers kf.. that explains a few things..
10:44 kf it's completely as if you use the stage/manage marc import tools
10:44 kf and bulk learned matching later i think
10:43 kf i think also some different options for item generation, would have to compare
10:43 ashimema thats nice..
10:43 ashimema aha.. so they add to the imports table..
10:43 kf i can check anytime what has been imported when
10:43 kf hm partially historical maybe, but i also like the undo options and that i can see my imports from the interface
10:42 ashimema and remind me.. why do you use those instead of bulkmarkimpork with matching?
10:42 kf they work quite similar to what the gui can do
10:42 kf -h should give you some info about the options
10:42 kf the names are kind of logical but make them easy to miss
10:42 ashimema ack.. neither have a perldoc.
10:41 ashimema ah yes.. I see them now.
10:41 kf stage_file.pl and commit_file.pl in misc
10:41 ashimema /tools/stages_marc_import.pl?
10:40 kf we are using the staged import from command line sec
10:40 ashimema kf: whilst at kohacon you explained your marc uploads proceure.. remind me what script you use instead of bulkmarcimport?
10:32 kf i would like somthing better integrated into koha, with an option to download pdf files from staff
10:32 kf afaik
10:31 kf it is yes
10:30 kivilahtio thanks kf for your advice! Have a good weekend
10:30 kivilahtio I guess so, as it looks pretty handy
10:28 kivilahtio kf: Is cronjobs/printoverdues.pl still in use? It is not documented?
10:26 kivilahtio and each needs to be configured separately
10:26 kivilahtio there are numerous cronjobs for different notification types?
10:26 kivilahtio kf: I think I am understanding how to deal with print
10:25 kf that's true
10:24 kivilahtio I just learnt that one should not run overdue_notices.pl more than once a day :)
10:23 kf feed doesn't work, print only for holds and overdues, using jobs - could be a lot nicer
10:23 kivilahtio *Info*
10:23 kivilahtio we have Ifo we need to integrate to :)
10:23 kf but they did work to make it work with itiva
10:23 kivilahtio kf: is there any documentation about the phone, feed and print?
10:23 kf maybe check out the slides- i didn't attend all of that session
10:22 kf there are cronjobs i think generating them
10:22 kivilahtio kf: But there is no system preference to set where the print csv's are stored?
10:22 kf it's already possible
10:22 kf kivilahtio: at kohacon there was a presentation about a library doing phone notification
10:22 kivilahtio we need to have real prints as well, so kinda curious how Koha deals with prints
10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: my question was about actually implementing the functionality for print or feed or phone message types
10:20 kivilahtio anyway have a great weekend, I gotta scram!
10:19 kivilahtio which is nice :)
10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Not saying there is anything wrong with your code, but it is complex and trying to get the big picture is challenging
10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Wow the messaging layer is pretty tricky and it is rather difficult to test youor code
10:18 kivilahtio Joubu: I got it. I forgot to check the dependenices for that bug and it all makes sense now :)
09:58 Joubu s/prepare the//
09:58 Joubu kivilahtio: I don't understand your question :) The goal of this patch is to prepare the prepare the ground for others bug (linked to 9016).
09:46 kf looks like a quiet friday
09:02 ashimema Good morning KF
09:02 kf morning ashimema
08:36 kivilahtio Joubu: regarding bug 9016. I would like to hear what developments you are undertaking regarding these enhancements?
08:34 * kf waves
08:23 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
08:19 gaetan_B hello
08:15 magnuse it's even light outside :-)
08:15 ashimema fair point ;)
08:14 magnuse it's morning near the top of the northern hemisphere too :-)
08:13 magnuse hiya ashimema
08:13 ashimema good afternoon, good night to the rest of you ;)
08:13 ashimema mornin' all.. (those in the southern hemisphere at least)
07:47 wahanui kai ora, reiveune
07:47 reiveune hello
07:16 * mtompset waves bye to magnuse cait papa Oak and others. :)
07:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :)
07:15 mtompset But I'll do that... later today after sleep. :)
07:15 mtompset and if not write some tests.
07:15 mtompset But filters fixed, code seems to be working... just need to find test file, if any...
07:15 papa sure, good night
07:14 mtompset Anyways... I'm super late past my sleep time.
07:14 papa sure
07:14 mtompset git rebase -i
07:13 mtompset after all... I'm not about credit. I'm about less floody logs. :)
07:13 papa ok, let me try
07:13 mtompset but mine is a follow up on yours and his, so if you want to merge mine with your and simplify it into one, that would be okay.
07:12 mtompset It's already signed off.
07:12 mtompset can't really merge in tcohen's.
07:12 papa mtompset: so who is going to merge all of those patches on 11077?
07:10 mtompset Now we wait for QA to say, "Ooo... less flooding logs, simple enough to check and pass" ;)
07:10 mtompset that was bug 11183, no mods needed.
07:10 papa sorry, grep
07:10 mtompset It's ugly to read, but it works.
07:10 mtompset I signed off the complex grep patch, if that is what you are asking about.
07:09 mtompset probably bug 11077
07:09 wahanui map is probably new in koha
07:09 mtompset map?
07:08 papa hey mtompset, what was the bug number for that map you want me to revisit?
07:07 * magnuse needs to catch up on reading list mails and new bug reports
07:07 * magnuse waves
06:44 cait wizzyrea++
06:41 mtompset Greetings, cait.
06:39 * cait waves
06:32 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
06:17 mtompset It helps find the real bugs.
06:17 mtompset No, thank you for helping reduce log flooding. :)
06:16 papa much obliged
06:16 mtompset signed off, papa. :)
06:05 mtompset I still triggered 576 without it. :)
06:05 mtompset 626 must be related to the koha search history.
06:04 mtompset or not...
06:03 mtompset Actually, the preference you reference is irrelevant, I believe.
06:02 papa I know :) now that we silence those, others will top the list
06:01 mtompset well, papa the two warnings seem gone, but there's a lot more to find and correct. :)
06:00 mtompset @later tell gmcharlt opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $code_wanted in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 314. -- I was just searching for happy :)
05:59 mtompset Hmmm... gmcharlt you here?
05:56 mtompset which eyeballing says it should.
05:56 mtompset okay... let's see if that patch remedies it. :)
05:56 papa something like that
05:55 mtompset and then opac detail on an item without a collection code triggers 576.
05:55 mtompset So, actually, regular search triggers 626.
05:54 mtompset AH! going to an item without a collection code.
05:53 mtompset I'm trying to figure out how to trigger 576.
05:52 mtompset actually 626 triggered even on a simple search.
05:49 wahanui http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
05:49 papa magic...
05:48 mtompset Let's see if I can figure out how I did that.
05:48 mtompset hmmm... I triggered one you didn't fix.
05:46 papa that one should be fixed as well
05:46 wahanui hmmm... one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
05:46 mtompset One of them.
05:45 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Was this your error, papa?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/256
05:44 mtompset Yep.
05:44 papa ah, edit items
05:43 papa ok, where?
05:43 mtompset found it.
05:42 mtompset something like BK?
05:42 papa should be on the item details
05:41 papa no idea, I had it on the database :(
05:40 mtompset where is a collection code set, papa?
05:40 mtompset have an item with a collection code?
05:35 mtompset Let's try this patch out. :)
05:35 mtompset okay... confirmed that with some testing code... interesting.. okay.
05:31 papa will return undef
05:30 papa nope, autoviv
05:30 mtompset won't your code trigger an error?
05:30 mtompset let's say $blah->{ccode} doesn't exist.
05:29 mtompset I haven't tested it yet... but I'm wondering...
05:29 papa sure...
05:28 mtompset split the grep to a different line?
05:27 papa what would you prefer? I'll do anything for a sign-off...
05:26 mtompset that grep portion on the join line.
05:26 papa hi there, what single line?
05:26 mtompset bug 11183
05:25 mtompset Eeewwww... single line is short, but that is ugly to parse, papa.
04:45 mtompset Whatever shall I do with bug 7567? Call it a mega fix, refactor, and enhancement?
04:44 mtompset Hmmm... it would seem I have gone from adding a feature to Koha into refactoring all the news code into fixing the news code.
04:43 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:43 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:26 Oak http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/
04:08 Oak @wunder islamabad
04:08 Oak magnuse
04:08 Oak Ahoy me hearties
03:44 wizzyrea see you all next week. :)
03:44 * wizzyrea gets ready for a foggy trip to the coast for a burger.
03:18 mtompset what is not equals in TT? != <>?
02:44 bag gmcharlt++
02:44 bag having met gmcharlt a few times now - I can totally see where his eyebrows would raise and he'd be smiling whenever I read an email from him now :) really makes it awesome and I crack a big ole smile when reading those emails now :)
02:25 bag nice sauteed mushroom and onion on some blue cheese - in a nice roll (yummy dinner)
01:17 mtompset http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/track.gif -- Looks like it will be massive destruction in a single day and a half.
01:15 mtompset Friends and projects are in those areas.
01:15 mtompset :( Signal 4 in Masbate and Romblon.
01:13 wizzyrea will definitely be thinking of those in the philippines.
01:13 wizzyrea i read about that earlier - it's a monster.
01:10 mtompset For the religious, please pray, and the non-religious, keep the Philippines in your thoughts.
01:09 oleonard Yikes
01:08 mtompset Friends and colleagues most definitely will be affected by this. :(
01:08 mtompset http://sploid.gizmodo.com/super-typhon-haiyan-just-broke-all-scientific-intensity-1460295415
01:03 mtompset Oops... sorry, should have clicked, and then cut and paste.
01:03 wizzyrea >.>
01:03 mtompset http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch.com%2F2013%2F10%2F15%2Fgodaddy-buys-media-temple-to-build-up-its-business-with-web-professionals%2F&ei=Rjh8UraRMMSyyAG5kYHIAg&usg=AFQjCNHl-9ozWZLXiLWsKXHvQl4IWFPHEA&bvm=bv.56146854,d.aWc
01:03 cait nope
01:03 jcamins Yeah, Media Temple was acquired.
01:03 wizzyrea heaven forbid.
01:02 wizzyrea cait - still up?
01:02 jcamins oleonard: oh, maybe.
01:02 oleonard Wasn't it MediaTemple?
01:02 mtompset I don't know.
01:01 jcamins Wasn't DigitalOcean just acquired by GoDaddy?
01:00 jcamins And you'd have to *really* screw things up to reach the point of needing to reimage.
01:00 mtompset VPS is Virtual Private Server.
01:00 mtompset We've begun a migration to Digital Ocean (www.digitalocean.com). I'm pleased with it thus far.
00:59 wizzyrea ^
00:59 eythian oleonard: they're fairly screw-up-proof if you're at all careful
00:59 wizzyrea ^
00:59 jcamins If you mess something up, you can just reimage.
00:59 mtompset VPS?
00:58 wizzyrea hmm. well there's lots to learn, but nah.
00:58 jcamins oleonard: nah.
00:58 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Thanks for the feed back, I'll probably just extend the scope of the bug I'm working on to include fixing that behaviour then. :)
00:58 oleonard As someone who has no experience managing servers I've always been reluctant to step up to VPS hosting. Am I going to get myself into trouble?
00:56 jcamins oleonard: I'd probably recommend linode.
00:55 rangi for my other one
00:55 rangi and http://www.hetzner.de/en/
00:54 eythian Most people I know who know about that sort of thing use linode
00:54 rangi i use linode for one
00:54 oleonard I'm curious whether anyone here has any VPS hosting recommendations (or dis-recommendations)
00:53 oleonard Hi again #koha
00:43 wizzyrea yikes.
00:40 eythian that's probably not ideal
00:39 * eythian notes that all the serials/subscription related tables reference a biblionumber, but don't have a constraint on it.
00:13 * wizzyrea will have a look