IRC log for #koha, 2013-10-28

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00:19 tcohen joined #koha
00:20 tcohen @later tell kf are you sure about the 5xx patch failing?
00:20 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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00:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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01:42 dpk1 gmcharit: yt?
01:46 mtompset Greetings, dpk1
01:46 dpk1 hi
01:47 dpk1 I have been struggling with git a bit to build a better set of patches for 6435 and 11078 to keep them from getting tangled.
01:48 dpk1 I have think I have two patches now (one for each bug) where on depend on the other.
01:48 dpk1 So far so go (and the final result works well).
01:48 mtompset bug 6435
01:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, dpk, Failed QA , [ENH] Added daemon mode parameters to
01:48 mtompset bug 11078
01:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Failed QA , can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds
01:48 mtompset AH! doug!
01:49 mtompset Nice to meet you online. :)
01:49 dpk1 In git, how do I get my tree to revert to origin/master when I switch branches.  The contents of my modified files seems to remain.
01:49 mtompset Ah...
01:49 mtompset did you commit or stash the changes?
01:49 mtompset if not, then you probably get "M ... file name"
01:49 mtompset when you switch branches.
01:50 mtompset and that's what that means.
01:52 dpk1 Commited teach one in a separate branch.  Started with origin/master.  branch rebuild-index.  apply index daemon changes. commit.  branch rebuild-locking. apply locking changes. commit.   How do I revert my working files to origin/master or back to rebuild-index (without the locking changes)?
01:53 dpk1 Also is there a way to see that branch rebuild-locking is depending on the changes in rebuild-index?
01:54 mtompset well, you should know your code well enough.
01:54 mtompset I don't see why a "git diff origin/master" wouldn't help you see if your code got mixed.
01:58 dpk1 git diff origin/master gives the correct result.  How do I switch to a different and pre-existing branch.  It does not appear to be branch or checkout.
01:59 * dpk1 struggling with Git101
02:02 dpk1 Ah.  It would help if I could remember the correct names for the branches!
02:02 dpk1 Behaving more like I would expect now.
02:54 jcamins dpk1: git checkout -b newbranchname origin/master
04:19 dpk1 Yes, I have myself sorted out now.  Patches have been submitted and should address all known requests.
04:19 dpk1 (also combined the multiple patches in each but to one consolidated patch)
04:41 mtompset dpk1: 11078 doesn't apply to origin/master.
04:42 mtompset Ah, you have a depends. good.
04:43 mtompset That applies cleanly.
04:52 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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05:28 cait morning
05:28 cait @later tell tcohen - I found no way to make the links show up :(
05:28 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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07:14 * magnuse waves frantically
07:14 rangi hi magnuse
07:14 magnuse kia ora rangi!
07:16 * magnuse selfishly enjoys heving people back in their proper timezones ;-)
07:17 rangi hehe
07:17 cait hehe
07:17 * cait waves to magnuse
07:17 * magnuse waves to cait
07:24 magnuse oh rangi: did you and tcohen get around to squashing the encoding problem at it's source? i have not been following bz closely enough lately...
07:25 rangi we got sidetracked fixing how we use zebra
07:25 magnuse ah
07:25 magnuse another worthy topic :-)
07:26 cait oh yes
07:26 cait magnuse: real real facets!
07:26 magnuse w00t!
07:27 magnuse is there a bug for that?
07:31 cait not yet
07:31 cait i think we got stuck at the: now we know how to do it, but who is going to fund it part
07:33 magnuse ah, too bad. crowdfunding?
07:33 magnuse anyone got an idea how much work it would be?
07:33 cait not sure
07:33 cait rangi: ?
07:34 rangi not much
07:35 rangi paul and i discussed a plan and wrote it up on the wiki
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07:37 marcelr hi #koha
07:38 cait hi marcelr
07:38 marcelr hi cait
07:38 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:39 marcelr and magnuse
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07:40 alex_a bonjour
07:40 cait hi alex_a :)
07:40 cait ok, going to work... have to i guess :)
07:41 magnuse rangi:[…]searchengine_plan ?
07:41 cait cya al in a bit
07:41 rangi magnuse: i think thats it
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07:43 reiveune hello
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07:44 magnuse rangi: cool
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07:55 agnet hi all
07:55 agnet I am having small problem while I am cataloging
07:56 agnet can you help me
07:56 agnet ?
07:57 rangi what's the problem?
07:57 wahanui it has been said that the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
07:57 magnuse agnet: if you describe your problem people here will at least be able to tell if they can help you ;-)
07:57 agnet sure
07:57 agnet hehe
07:57 agnet sorry for that
07:57 magnuse no problem!
07:57 agnet so when I am entering data
07:57 agnet it is being saved in the database
07:58 agnet but when I try to search for it from the system
07:58 agnet It does not show
07:59 agnet what do you think it is
07:59 wahanui well, do you think it is needed for icu?
07:59 rangi most likely you dont have rebuild_zebra set up to run
07:59 rangi or if it is running, its running as the wrong user (permissions problem)
07:59 rangi other searches are working?
07:59 agnet other searches meaning?
08:00 agnet how can I make sure that zebra is running
08:00 agnet and on what user
08:00 agnet ?
08:00 rangi how did you install koha, if you used the packages it sets it up all for you, if not you will need to look at the INSTALL file
08:01 rangi for the section on setting up the cron jobs
08:01 rangi what version of koha?
08:01 agnet I use
08:01 agnet etc
08:03 rangi[…]ce68;hb=HEAD#l130
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08:08 agnet command not found
08:12 agnet what to do
08:12 agnet ?
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08:12 gaetan_B hello
08:12 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
08:12 magnuse agnet: which command was not found?
08:12 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
08:12 agnet sudo koha-rebuild-zebra instancename
08:12 agnet for exampla
08:12 agnet My Library
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08:19 agnet How can continue please?
08:26 magnuse agnet: the "koha-*" commands will only work if you installed using the packages (which are the preferred way to install)
08:27 magnuse agnet: which operating system did you install on?
08:27 agnet ubuntu
08:30 agnet so how can
08:30 agnet I rebuild the Zebra if I installed it with tarball
08:31 magnuse agnet: make sure you followed all the steps here:[…]924172c3d;hb=HEAD
08:33 magnuse then locate the script misc/migration_tools/ and run that with the proper arguments
08:33 magnuse i'm not very familiar with the file layout after a tarball install, but it might be something like /usr/share/koha/misc/migrat​ion_tools/
08:36 agnet error: file or directory not found
08:36 magnuse ok, bad guess then
08:36 agnet \ etc\init.d\koha-zebra-daemon
08:37 magnuse that should be the script you use to start and stop zebra
08:38 agnet so does that meani that I don't have zebra installed
08:38 agnet ?
08:39 magnuse impossible to tell based on what you have said so far :-)
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08:44 agnet so how can I solve this issue
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08:59 * kf waves
08:59 marcelr wb kf
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09:02 agnet ???
09:07 ashimema agnet: you didn't verify if you followed all the instructions within the link magnuse pointed at..
09:07 kf good morning ashimema :)
09:07 ashimema It's hard for any of us to help without knowing what you've already actually tried.
09:07 ashimema mornin' kf
09:07 agnet yes i tried that this command sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/ \ 451         /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
09:07 agnet and it did not work
09:08 ashimema I see you've been attacking bz over the weekend.. lots of followups for you this monring;
09:08 kf did you verify that the file is there in /usr/share...?
09:08 kf also the 451 is a line number - that wuld not work
09:09 agnet yes 451 is the line number
09:09 agnet that just a copy and paste
09:09 agnet the error is file or directory not found
09:09 kf when you installed koha, what kind of install did you pick when running the makefile?
09:09 kf standard single or dev?
09:10 agnet standard
09:10 wahanui standard is, like, not so practical for that
09:10 kf which installaton instructions did you follow?
09:10 kf if you check the first path in the command, is the file there?
09:10 kf ashimema: ohoh
09:10 agnet let me check
09:11 ashimema hmm, that install doc needs some updating.. it doesn't acutally make it clear how to use the koha packages ;)
09:11 ashimema I'll usbmit a patch ;)
09:12 ashimema kf: all you followups seems good.. I just need to sign them off ;)
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09:12 kf aaaah, sorry, i forgot i did one
09:12 kf i treid to cure my jet lag by reading qa mails... didn't make me sleepy enough... so i started doing qa... ;)
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09:13 ashimema I'll also add the bootstrap followup.. I'll add the followup to tidy up the code between staff and opac along with add the bootstrap theme supprt ;)
09:13 kf sounds good
09:13 ashimema haha.. nice work.
09:14 kf I took some nice photos of you...
09:14 ashimema hmm.. I have no idea where stuff ends up on a standard install.. :s
09:14 kf ;)
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09:17 ashimema agnet: being mean, I would probably suggest you go back a few steps and install from packages, and use the current db for your data..  a clean install, with your current dataset.
09:17 agnet it would take me ages
09:17 agnet to do that
09:17 ashimema with the packages, everything should 'just work'.
09:17 agnet when I tried that
09:17 agnet it wouldn't work
09:18 ashimema really.. an 'apt-get intsall koha-common', followed by 'koha-create --database name' takes ages.?
09:18 ashimema hmm.. now that is strange.. not working with packages.
09:18 agnet would not work
09:18 ashimema can you be more specific of what wouldn't work?
09:19 agnet it gave me errors
09:19 agnet I don't recall what they where
09:22 ashimema which bit gav errors.. the apt-get?
09:23 ashimema what version of ubuntu are you running?
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09:37 petter hi all
09:37 kivilahtio hi petter!
09:38 agnet don't remember the error sorry
09:39 agnet \etc\init.d\koha-zebra-daemon does exists
09:41 ashimema_away is zebra running, whats the output of: 'ps aux | grep zebra'
09:43 agnet how can I check if zebra is running
09:43 agnet ?
09:45 * magnuse waves to petter
09:45 petter hei magnus!
09:45 magnuse :-)
09:46 kf hi petter :)
09:46 petter hi katrin!
09:47 ashimema_away agnet: the command I sent you
09:47 agnet that did not work for me
09:48 kf agnet: if you don't tell us the error message, it's hard to say what went wrong
09:48 ashimema_away if you got nothing back.. then that probably means zebra is not running at all.
09:48 agnet I told you what the error is: command not found
09:48 agnet so how can I runi t
09:48 agnet it?
09:51 ashimema what zebra related files do you have in /etc/init.d
09:51 ashimema there should be a startup script in there..
09:51 ashimema runing it with 'sudo /etc/init.d/script-name start'
09:52 agnet let me check
09:52 sophie_m lds : pour archi nantes alors, c'est quoi la solution ?
09:53 agnet koha-zebra-daemon
09:53 wahanui koha-zebra-daemon is, like, in init.d, linked to in oleonard's koha bin directory
09:53 agnet error: command not found
09:53 agnet sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start
09:54 agnet when I typed the above it gave me error: command not found
09:58 ashimema sounds like zebra was never installed.
09:59 ashimema try 'apt-get install idzebra-2.0'
09:59 ashimema i gotta restart.. brb
10:01 agnet E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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10:02 agnet when I tried to type that command it gave me that error
10:02 agnet E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
10:02 kf try with sudo
10:02 kf sudo apt-get ...
10:02 ashimema i'm back now.
10:03 agnet I did that just now
10:04 agnet and the message that I got
10:04 agnet is
10:04 agnet Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done idzebra-2.0 is already the newest version. idzebra-2.0 set to manually installed. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   libaccess-bridge-java-jni libaccess-bridge-java flashplugin-downloader Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
10:04 agnet is that a good sign
10:04 agnet ?
10:04 ashimema That's kinda good.. mean zebra is infact installed
10:05 agnet ok
10:05 agnet good
10:05 agnet what is the next step then
10:05 agnet ?
10:12 agnet ?
10:26 agnet ???
10:29 ashimema sorry agnet, i'm caught with work again now.
10:29 ashimema not sure what the next step is really.. you've got zebra installed, yet the startup script isn't finding it.
10:29 ashimema hopefully somone else will come along and be able to offer assistance.
11:00 agnet ok thanks
11:01 agnet khall do you know how to solve it
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11:32 agnet ???
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11:42 kivilahtio bug 6385
11:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, NEW , All items should optionally be displayed by default
11:42 kivilahtio Any idea where should I put the "OPACmaxItemsOnDetail" syspref?
11:42 kivilahtio Circulation or Cataloguing or OPAC?
11:43 kivilahtio This affects http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]iblionumber=26484  &&[…]iblionumber=26484
11:43 kivilahtio and catalogue/
11:43 kivilahtio any place for a syspref which limits the display for both OPAC and cataloguing module?
11:44 kivilahtio or should I just duplicate one syspref for both modules? But don't you think we have enough sysprefs already?
11:45 agnet need heko
11:45 agnet help
11:45 agnet ??
11:45 kivilahtio I have seen the syspref duplicated but I am not so sure if it is a good thing to define the same thing in many places. OFC Staff might have different needs
11:45 kivilahtio Any suggestions?
11:45 wahanui Any suggestions are welcome.
11:46 kivilahtio I feel like I have hit the cliché stone every time Wahanui steps up to speak
11:47 kivilahtio Wow I just asked where should I put the "OPACmaxItemsOnDetail" :D
11:47 kivilahtio I think this should work in both the OPAC and staff client
11:47 agnet hi
11:47 kivilahtio hi agnet
11:47 agnet I have a problem where when I catalog
11:47 agnet data is saved in database
11:48 agnet but when I search for the entered data from the Koha
11:48 agnet it is not visible
11:49 kivilahtio wow I have no idea
11:49 kivilahtio are you sure Zebra is running?
11:49 wahanui i already had it that way, kivilahtio.
11:50 agnet yes zebra is running
11:50 kivilahtio agnet: I think you need to go read the startup scripts and see what they do
11:50 agnet I don't know if it is running sorry but I know it is installed
11:50 magnuse agnet: did you find and run
11:50 agnet can you give me the command
11:50 agnet pls
11:50 magnuse did you set up a cron job for it?
11:51 agnet can you give me the command how I can run run
11:51 magnuse run "sudo find / -name" to figure out where it is
11:51 agnet and the command for the cron job
11:51 kivilahtio agnet: crontab -e
11:51 kivilahtio as the koha-user
11:51 agnet with sudo??/
11:52 kivilahtio should be something like this
11:52 kivilahtio # The cronjobs -- $KOHA_PATH is defined in /etc/environment, and gets set when this process runs.
11:52 kivilahtio */5 * * * *     $KOHA_PATH/misc/migration_tools/ -b -a -z &> /dev/null
11:53 kivilahtio with koha-user i mean the user you used to install koha
11:54 kivilahtio not sure if you are installing from packages or source
11:54 agnet when I did the sudo find / -name
11:54 agnet I've got this message
11:54 magnuse agnet: try both "sudo crontab -e" and "crontab -e" and see if it says anything about
11:55 agnet \home\***\kohaclone\blib\SCRIPT_NONDEV​_DIR\migration_tools\
11:55 agnet \home\***\kohaclone\misc\migr​ation_tools\
11:57 magnuse agnet: looks like you have a git install, then
11:57 magnuse did you create a koha user?
11:58 agnet yes I have created a koha user
11:58 agnet when I run crontab -e
11:58 agnet I've got this
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11:58 agnet #The cronjobs -- $KOHA_PATH is defined in /etc/environment, and gets set when $
11:58 agnet */5 * * * *     $KOHA_PATH/misc/migration_tools/ -b -a -z &> /d$
12:00 agnet ???
12:00 marcelr kivilahtio: why OPACmaxItemsOnDetail if you want to use it in the staff client? (late reply)
12:04 kivilahtio marcelr: I think the syspref should be maxItemsOnDetail
12:04 agnet ???
12:04 marcelr probably
12:04 kivilahtio marcelr: But I will make a separate syspref for both sides, but the bug actually is only about OPAC, so I will stick to that for now :)
12:05 marcelr one syspref would be nicer than two?
12:05 kivilahtio marcelr: I am not sure
12:05 kivilahtio marcelr: But I feel like Koha has enough sysprefs and sometimes it is hard to stay on top of all of them
12:05 marcelr true
12:05 kivilahtio marcelr: I would like to keep from unnecessarily saturating the sysprefs space
12:06 marcelr think about testing too
12:06 agnet hello
12:06 agnet ??/
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12:06 kivilahtio agnet: If your crontabs has those definitions and your zebra is running you should have no issues
12:07 agnet when I tried to start it up could not work
12:07 kivilahtio try running the Zebra command outside the crontab
12:07 agnet can you give me once again the command
12:07 kivilahtio well you just wrote it up yourself
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12:07 kivilahtio here on this IRC
12:07 agnet can't find it
12:07 kivilahtio 20 rows
12:07 kivilahtio up
12:08 kivilahtio inside the crontab definition
12:08 agnet this one
12:08 wahanui well, this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
12:08 agnet Use existing SDKs
12:08 agnet $KOHA_PATH/misc/migration_tools/ -b -a -z &> /d$
12:09 agnet or this one
12:09 wahanui it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
12:09 agnet \home\***\kohaclone\misc\migr​ation_tools\
12:10 agnet ??
12:10 kivilahtio you are getting there
12:10 kivilahtio \home\***\kohaclone\misc\migr​ation_tools\  -b -a -z
12:11 kivilahtio or even
12:11 kivilahtio \home\***\kohaclone\misc\migr​ation_tools\ --help
12:11 agnet ok and run sudo before or not
12:11 agnet ?
12:11 kivilahtio the bad thing with Linux is that you actually need to read a lot of stuff
12:11 agnet yea and I don't know nothing about linux
12:11 kivilahtio I don't know, it depends on how you installed Koha
12:11 kivilahtio there is a great book everybody should read
12:12 kivilahtio[…]ion/dp/0131480057
12:12 agnet hehe.. I installed it with makefile.PL
12:12 kivilahtio I should read it
12:12 kivilahtio well maybe try without sudo and see what happens
12:12 kivilahtio then escalate priviledges
12:12 kivilahtio but sudoing stuff can seriously break stuff up
12:12 agnet ok thanks let me check it out
12:13 petter agnet: if you instead install koha from the debian package it will most likely work out of the box, without any fiddling
12:13 kivilahtio agnet: I think you should try that
12:13 kivilahtio agnet: For me there has been no issues with the packaged version
12:14 petter yes.. unless you have a very good reason, use the packages
12:14 kivilahtio but our programmer has experienced a lot of problems with the Makefile-variant
12:14 kivilahtio not sure if he is still experiencing them
12:15 agnet I tried to install with packaged version but as I said I was not able to install
12:15 petter[…]ubuntu_-_packages
12:15 petter how come?
12:15 agnet it gave me errors
12:15 agnet don't remember what they where
12:15 petter what linux distro are you on?
12:15 agnet as I tried it 3 weeks
12:15 agnet ubuntu
12:15 magnuse try the packages again, and report your errors here
12:16 kivilahtio works fine on Ubuntu 12.04
12:16 kivilahtio agnet: not on 13.03
12:17 kivilahtio 13.04
12:17 kivilahtio agnet: Well my info is 1 month old on 13.04
12:18 agnet I don't know what my version is
12:18 agnet how can I check it out
12:18 agnet ?
12:18 agnet also I ran
12:18 petter lsb_release -a
12:18 kivilahtio wow petter! How can you remember that!
12:18 agnet \home\***\kohaclone\misc\migr​ation_tools\  -b -a -z  and it worked.. no errors where given
12:18 petter haha, I just googled it myself :)
12:19 kivilahtio i got this result "Description:    Linux Mint 15 Olivia" But still Koha works for me!
12:19 csharp so does the koha project officially support ubuntu? or just debian and if it works on Ubuntu that's cool?
12:19 agnet cool
12:19 agnet also how can I check if Zebra is running
12:19 agnet ?
12:19 petter ubuntu use the debian package system, so if it works on debian it should work on ubuntu
12:20 petter ps aux | grep zebra
12:20 csharp yeah, I was just wondering about the minor dependency differences that crop up and whether the packages accounted for that
12:20 agnet when I ran lsb_release -a
12:20 agnet I got
12:21 agnet Distributor ID:Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 11.10 Release:11.10 Codename:oneiric
12:21 magnuse debian is the main target, but i think we aim for it to work on ubuntu too
12:21 petter ah
12:21 agnet does this mean that my version is 11.10
12:21 agnet ?
12:21 petter yes
12:21 agnet ok
12:22 agnet and is that a problem
12:22 agnet ?
12:22 petter I dont know, but i'd upgrade if I where you
12:22 kivilahtio agnet: that is a problem
12:22 kivilahtio agnet: 12.04 from packages is your ticket
12:23 csharp agnet: 11.10 is long dead
12:23 agnet when I ran px aux | grep Zebra
12:23 agnet it said
12:23 agnet ****   21841  0.0  0.0   4468   776 pts/1    S+   13:22   0:00 grep --color=auto zebra
12:23 petter so, zebra is not running
12:23 agnet how can I start it up
12:24 agnet ?
12:24 agnet I know it is installed
12:24 ashimema_away matter of opinion.. if your running koha for a live environment you should use a long term support server.. (i.e. Debian (Wheezy for new installs, Squeeze for existing installs) or Ubuntu Server Edition (12.04 for new installs))
12:24 kivilahtio agnet: you need to reainstall your linux, I don't recommend upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04
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12:24 kivilahtio others might think otherwise
12:24 kivilahtio 11.10 is not a supported version
12:24 agnet I am running koha for a short period of time
12:24 * csharp agrees, fwiw - EOL upgrades are possible but not desirable
12:25 oleonard Hi #koha
12:25 kivilahtio agnet: Run 12.04 inside a virtual machine then
12:25 agnet for testing only
12:25 csharp agnet: I would recommend joining #ubuntu on freenode if you need help upgrading ;-)
12:25 kivilahtio csharp: ++
12:25 agnet ok.. let's make it our last resort
12:25 agnet before I do this
12:25 agnet can you give me the code to start zebra
12:26 agnet I know it is installed
12:26 agnet as I've got this message
12:26 agnet Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done idzebra-2.0 is already the newest version. idzebra-2.0 set to manually installed. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   libaccess-bridge-java-jni libaccess-bridge-java flashplugin-downloader Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
12:27 petter zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/{{your koha instance name}}/koha-conf.xml
12:27 agnet koha instance name what do you mean
12:27 agnet ?
12:27 jcamins petter: that is package-only.
12:27 petter ah
12:27 petter right
12:27 petter so agnet
12:28 agnet yes
12:28 petter please do yourself a favour and install the package
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12:28 petter everything is easier
12:28 jcamins agnet: in the instructions for using the tarball you'll find instructions for starting Zebra.
12:28 agnet I don't have the time to install the package one from scratch
12:28 Oak \o
12:28 petter belive me, it will take much less time than you allready have spent
12:29 jcamins There is script.
12:29 agnet is it this
12:29 agnet $ sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/ /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
12:30 magnuse something like "/etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start" should start zebra, i think?
12:30 * Oak goes to check if "should i install from tarball of from package" in the website FAQ or not. if it's not there Oak will come and scream.
12:31 Oak okay not screaming
12:31 Oak[…]all-install-koha/
12:33 agnet when I did
12:33 agnet sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/ /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
12:33 agnet I've got
12:33 agnet ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon': File exists
12:33 agnet and when I did sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
12:33 agnet I've got update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon: file does not exist
12:33 agnet what does that mean
12:33 agnet >
12:33 agnet ?
12:33 magnuse that sounds weird
12:33 * Oak goes to watch birds on trees
12:33 ashimema ls -lah /etc/init.d
12:34 oleonard Saying "Installing from tarball or git is much better for developers" is no longer accurate. Actually is installing from tarball *ever* better for anyone?
12:34 csharp agnet: 'diff /usr/share/koha/bin/ /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon'
12:34 kivilahtio oleonard: no
12:34 kivilahtio oleonard: I <3 packages
12:34 jcamins oleonard: non-apt-based distros.
12:34 agnet csharp: can't understand
12:34 oleonard Okay fair enough
12:34 agnet agnet: 'diff /usr/share/koha/bin/ /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon'
12:34 agnet that line
12:34 ashimema packages are great... kohacon13 hackfest taught me a fair few things about packages.. even for a dev environment the packages are now supperb!
12:35 Oak jcamins, then it should say that if you are on a not-debian-not-ubuntu distro then use tarball
12:35 csharp agnet: enter that on the command line and let us know the output
12:35 agnet ok
12:35 agnet will do
12:35 jcamins Oak: agreed.
12:35 magnuse ashimema: to make the packages work for a dev setup you need gitify, right?
12:36 * csharp is slowly coming around to the view that git should replace the need for tarballs
12:37 agnet the csharp: output is
12:37 agnet diff: /usr/share/koha/bin/ No such file or directory diff: /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon: No such file or directory
12:37 Oak and perhaps, instead of arranging the faqs categories alphabetically, they should be arranged in the F A Q order... know what I mean? :)
12:37 agnet ?
12:37 Oak installation realated FAQ may be better on top.
12:38 csharp agnet: 'ls -l /usr/share/koha/bin/' - is in the output?
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12:40 oleonard kivilahtio: Looks like Bug 11129 needs to include a change to Also, can you please add a test plan if the patch is ready for signoff?
12:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Filtering Items based on type in
12:40 agnet csharp: ls -l /usr/share/koha/bin/ output is  ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/bin/: No such file or directory
12:40 csharp agnet: it looks like koha isn't actually installed then
12:41 agnet what do you mean
12:41 agnet i??
12:41 wahanui you are having small problem while I am cataloging
12:41 agnet it is installed
12:41 csharp agnet: you should definitely start again by installing ubuntu 12.04/debian stable and using the packages ;-)
12:41 agnet the problem while I am cataloging is that data is beign saved as I have done a query
12:42 csharp agnet: doesn't koha install that directory when it's installed?
12:42 agnet it just does not show it when searching
12:42 * csharp actually doesn't know, but assumes so
12:42 csharp agnet: btw, it's worth pointing out that the problems you're having are on the OS level, not the Koha-level
12:43 csharp which is why I can help at all ;-)
12:43 agnet it is on Koha-level as data is beinging saved
12:43 agnet I can show you the data I've obtained
12:43 * csharp will leave it to others in the channel whether a full install includes that directory
12:44 agnet 5:29:15',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,2,'authority'),(54,'2013-10-24 15:42:30',51,'CATALOGUING','AD​D',1,'biblio'),(55,'2013-10-24 15:47:49',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,3,'authority'),(56,'2013-10-24 15:49:04',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,4,'authority'),(57,'2013-10-24 15:53:29',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,5,'authority'),(58,'2013-10-24 15:54:03',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,6,'authority'),(59,'2013-10-24 15:57:53',51,'AUTHORITIES','ADD'​,7,'authority'),(60,'2013-10-24 16:01:12
12:44 magnuse i think /usr/share/koha/*bin*/ will only be present in a packages install?
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12:45 agnet 16:04:20',51,'CATALOGUING','AD​D',2,'biblio'),(64,'2013-10-24 16:05:59',51,'CATALOGUING','MODIFY',2,'BEFORE=>LDR 00600nam a22001697a 4500\n008     131024b        xxu||||| |||| 00| 0 eng d\n020    _a9781842064023\n110    _97\n       _aEquality and Human Rights Commission\n245    _aSex and power 2011 /\n       _cEquality and Human Rights Commission.\n260    _a[United Kingdom :\n       _bEquality and Human Rights Commission,\n       _c2011].\n300    _a
12:45 csharp ah - then the problem is that the directions agnet is following assume a package install
12:45 agnet so as you can see data is being saved
12:45 agnet just not visible in koha
12:45 kivilahtio I can call Koha:: namespace from C4:: right? but not vice vers?
12:45 marcelr khall around?
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12:46 csharp agnet: do 'sudo updatedb' then 'locate'
12:46 marcelr hi tcohen
12:46 kf agnet: your search doesn't work - that's the problem - saving and cataloguing should work fine
12:46 agnet ok and how can I solve the search issue
12:46 agnet ???
12:47 agnet that is what I need to know
12:47 magnuse srarting zebra properly
12:47 magnuse *starting
12:47 agnet and that is done how??
12:47 magnuse normally by running "/etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start", but there seems to be some weirdness around that file
12:48 csharp agnet: did you see my last?
12:48 magnuse installing debian and koha from packages would have taken one fifth of all the time this troubleshooting has taken...
12:48 csharp yep
12:48 agnet csharp: yes I just did that
12:48 agnet and the result is
12:49 agnet \home\***\ \home\***\koha-dev\bin\ \home\***\kohaclone\blib\SC​RIPT_DIR\ \home\***\kohaclone\misc\bin\
12:50 tcohen morning marcelr kf
12:50 marcelr :)
12:50 csharp agnet: doesn't look like that file got installed then
12:50 agnet csharp: and how can I install it
12:50 agnet ?
12:50 csharp agnet: in other words, you probably have more issues than just that
12:51 agnet till now only that I have issues
12:51 agnet nothing more
12:51 csharp agnet: I'm going to recommend that you install a supported OS (debian/ubuntu LTS) and install from packages
12:51 magnuse "kohaclone" cries out git in my eyes, not tarball, but that should not matter too much
12:51 csharp agnet: as others have said, it will take less time and heartache, and you'll know it's correctly installed
12:52 tcohen kf: master?
12:52 wahanui master is the development branch of koha
12:53 agnet and as I said when I tried to install it with packages it gave me errors
12:53 agnet I won't take that chance
12:53 agnet if searching does not work but when I export a marc file works then fine
12:53 marcelr agnet: zebra is your problem
12:54 agnet at 4:30 I have a client coming over to input data
12:54 agnet I will say that data is being saved
12:54 * csharp moves on to other things
12:54 csharp agnet: best of luck
12:54 marcelr would not recommend using this system yet
12:54 agnet I know that zebra is my problem
12:54 agnet it only be used for testing purporse
12:55 agnet so that then we will upload to another system
12:55 agnet I know that zebra is my problem but it seems that there is no work around
12:55 agnet to this
12:55 agnet issue
12:57 agnet I thought that installing koha is easy
12:57 agnet hehe
12:57 agnet :)
12:57 jcamins agnet: installing Koha on an operating system that wasn't EOLed over a year ago is.
12:58 magnuse the package install is easy, if you do it on a supported os
12:58 agnet :)
12:58 jcamins You should always use LTS releases.
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13:02 oleonard That sinking feeling: "this is just going to be an organizational meeting"
13:04 nengard hi #koha - at training in FL say hi to the new Koha librarians :)
13:05 magnuse hi from norway to the new Koha librarians!
13:10 tcohen kf: 10691 definitely works for me in the OPAC and staff interfaces
13:11 tcohen
13:11 oleonard Hi to Florida from Ohio
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13:12 tcohen can anyone give bug 10691 a fast look? it is signed
13:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
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13:14 kf tcohen: maybe it's a data problem
13:14 tcohen i cannot reproduce kf's problem
13:14 kf i loaded some of our standard authorities
13:14 tcohen oh, that
13:14 druthb o/
13:15 kf but yes, i was sure it didn't work ;)
13:21 tcohen unimarc kf?
13:21 kf no marc21
13:21 kf hm i will have to do another test tonight
13:21 kf I had $9, $w, $0 tested i think
13:21 kf hmmm i might have an idea, but i have to check in my installation
13:21 tcohen i'm typing new authority records right now
13:22 kf would a nonexistant auhority number in $9 make the link not show up?
13:22 tcohen nope
13:22 tcohen it just tests fr $9 <> ""
13:26 * druthb dances around happily.
13:27 kf tcohen: hmmm that is weird then
13:27 kf i had only changed one of various 5xx fields - would that do it?
13:27 kf i had expected it to show the text links - but it "killed" all links for me
13:27 kf and then i tried changing one to have a $9 but that didn't make it work
13:27 * druthb discovered the SSL Server Test tool at, and her woodworking site got an "A"! :)
13:28 tcohen i've changed one now and it points to the wrong authid, but no link creation problem
13:28 tcohen are you sure you're not confusing the patches with those from the other authorities patch?
13:29 tcohen bug 10987
13:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Too many 'see also' and 'usedfor/see from' labels occurences
13:30 tcohen maybe bug 10948
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10948 normal, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , Some strings in the authority result list turned out untranslatable
13:33 kf tcohen: quitesure
13:33 kf before i applied the patch, i had lots of link s in my result list
13:33 kf after applying - none at all
13:34 kf but i can't really debug now :(
13:34 kf are you around a bit later still?
13:34 tcohen don't think so
13:34 tcohen do u have some sample db?
13:34 kf yeah but it seems down
13:34 tcohen ok
13:34 kf just wrote my coworker about that
13:34 kf and don't have the data here i used
13:34 kf so a bit stuck right now
13:35 tcohen ok, no rush then
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13:47 rambutan @wunder 64507
13:48 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 2.7°C (8:40 AM CDT on October 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
13:54 kivilahtio oleonard-away: Can you give the final workd regarding bug 11129's UI elements?[…]iblionumber=26484. Also bug 6385 in the mix.
13:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Filtering Items based on type in
13:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, NEW , All items should optionally be displayed by default
13:54 kivilahtio The wanings and available buttons change as you fiddle around with the filter
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13:56 kivilahtio but basically there is only the "clear filter" -button which appears when the filter is used.
13:56 kivilahtio Also one use-case is setting the filters in such a way that no results are found
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15:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11108: fix duplicate display of basket whose receipt has just been cancelled <[…]1b9e97d4f80e3d55f> / Bug 11133: fix markup errors in OPAC place hold form HTML <[…]97d3d5edbcfffc977>
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15:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11090 - Bootstrap theme: fix CSS problem with suggestions toolbar links <[…]a052df9d0a79bfd40> / Bug 10750: (follow-up) fix capitalization of suggestion form in Bootstrap theme <[…]78e8418e84dd578c2> / Bug 10750: Correct capitalization on suggestion form
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15:31 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:32 druthb Hi, mtompset. :)
15:33 mtompset Liked the picture I posted, druthb? ;)
15:33 druthb a-yup.  I had a Bible professor in college make that joke about Jael.  Interesting character, kind of enjoyed the crazy almost-absurdity of the Old Testament.
15:34 druthb He also enjoyed pointing out, when we got to the book of Job, about the second-shortest person in the Bible, Bildad the Shuhite (shoe-height...)
15:34 mtompset Well, Barak was kind of being a sissy and only wanting to go to battle if a hot chick of a prophetess went with him.
15:35 mtompset Or the mention of Honda in the Bible, "they were all in one accord"?
15:35 druthb yep.  Or that baseball was invented during OT times: "They pitched their tents toward Canaan."
15:36 mtompset That sounds more like javelin, because they were pitching tents. ;)
15:36 druthb lol
15:38 rambuten anybody interested in coding an alternative to AWE? I just get lividly **** everytime I have to deal with them
15:39 mtompset What is AWE?
15:40 rambuten
15:41 jcamins rambuten: what does that do that the OLPC Linux distribution doesn't?
15:41 rambuten Terribly expensive to purchase, terribly expensive to pay for maintenance and updates.
15:42 rambuten Honestly we haven't tried the OLPC, but the one thing AWE does do is make the system bullet proof....
15:42 jcamins I think OLPC is supposed to do about the same thing... if they manage to screw it up, you restart it and it is back to normal.
15:43 rambuten We tried using everything available for Linux, including QIMO and a bunch of others, and honestly you could jam all of them up, and get to some point where the computer was unresponsive
15:44 rambuten I might go check the OLPC again, since it's been a while, but I think (if I recall correctly), that OLPC was more for guided instruction, and not an independent game/learning station
15:44 rambuten I could be wrong about that though
15:45 jcamins That may be. I have never used OLPC.
15:47 rambuten jcamins: back to the "you restart it"---that doesn't really work. The station itself needs to be bullet-proof, neither staff nor I can be resetting 8-12 children's computers all day.
15:49 rambuten anyway, just wanted everybody to know there's a business opportunity here
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15:54 jcamins rambuten: I feel like most times I've been in the public library, at least one computer, if not two or three, has been out of order pending restart.
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16:03 edveal After 3rd restart Launchpad is going through a major download. ARGGGG
16:04 mtompset I'm curious. I saw the notice about git bz attach being busted now. The question I have is, when might it be fixed?
16:04 tcohen gmcharlt: do we need a way to move instances from grs-1 to dom setup?
16:05 gmcharlt tcohen: that would be handy
16:05 mtompset tcohen: Yes, please!
16:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #183: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/183/
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11133: fix markup errors in OPAC place hold form HTML
16:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11108: fix duplicate display of basket whose receipt has just been cancelled
16:05 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10750: Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
16:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10750: (follow-up) fix capitalization of suggestion form in Bootstrap theme
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11090 - Bootstrap theme: fix CSS problem with suggestions toolbar links
16:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11133 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Markup errors in OPAC place hold form HTML
16:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11108 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , undoing receiving does not appear to work (but actually does)
16:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
16:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11090 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: CSS problem with suggestions toolbar links
16:05 tcohen mtompset
16:05 wahanui i heard mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
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16:05 mtompset tcohen: BTW, nice cover photo, by the way.
16:06 tcohen ?
16:06 tcohen hi mtompset
16:06 mtompset oh facebook.
16:06 wahanui facebook is *not* a universal authenticator!
16:06 tcohen :-D
16:07 * mtompset laughs, "People think it is! :P"
16:07 mtompset My login hack could interface to it too via SimpleSAMLPHP. :)
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16:11 tcohen kohacon13 photos?
16:13 oleonard
16:13 tcohen thanks oleonard
16:13 rambuten I'll probably have to pay my own way, but really want to attend KohaCon14
16:14 tcohen if that happens rambuten i'll be in charge you enjoy the best possible
16:14 rambuten When the library sends me places, it's for the shortest, cheapest amount of time possible
16:14 rambuten if I pay, then I'll pad a couple days before and after to actually see stuff
16:15 oleonard Yeah, not gonna be many American librarians getting paid to go to KohaCon14 unfortunately
16:16 rambuten too bad we can't deduct it from our income taxes as an eductional expense
16:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #184 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 6 days 9 hr ago)
16:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10271: (follow-up) correct tabs <[…]6473323b687f9669f> / Bug 10271: fix searching using an index containing "ns" or "nb" <[…]998e1c8444ba844d3> / Bug 10271: regression test for search using indexes containing 'ns' <
16:21 tcohen oleonard: is that a budget issue?
16:22 oleonard tcohen: Yes, primarily.
16:22 tcohen does it cost more than europe?
16:22 oleonard I would think it would be EXTREMELY unlikely for an American public library to pay for *any* overseas trip
16:22 * oleonard doesn't know what it's like for the big metro public libraries
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16:27 * oleonard should stop checking airline prices to Cordoba and get back to work
16:29 tcohen heh
16:29 tcohen skyscanner
16:29 tcohen :-P
16:30 rambuten airfare for me isn't looking bad, lots of flights for < $1,300
16:30 mtompset round trip, rambuten?
16:31 rambuten yep
16:31 gmcharlt oleonard: that reminds me of an angle -- I know of at least one international book conference where the government of Spain actually gave travel grants for U.S. librarians to attend
16:31 oleonard That's the range was was seeing too rambuten
16:31 * oleonard should start applying for grants to go to all sorts of conferences!
16:31 rambuten after the < $1,300 group, it jumps to > $1,600
16:32 rambuten suppose LSTA would approve a grant for that?
16:33 rambuten gmcharlt: interesting
16:33 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
16:36 rambuten when might dates for KohaCon14 be firmed up, do you (collective you) think?
16:36 mtompset Hmmm... I think Spain references call for a Moxy Fruvous moment:
16:40 rambuten tcohen: what time frame would you recommend for KohaCon14?
16:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1477: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1477/
16:53 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11133: fix markup errors in OPAC place hold form HTML
16:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11133 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Markup errors in OPAC place hold form HTML
16:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #100 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 20 days ago)
17:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #184: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/184/
17:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10271: regression test for search using indexes containing 'ns'
17:04 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10271: fix searching using an index containing "ns" or "nb"
17:04 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10271: (follow-up) correct tabs
17:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10271 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , An index containing ns or nb does not work
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17:10 druthb cait!
17:10 oleonard Ugh, I have to attach patches *by hand?!* I might as well hand-write them and send them through the mail!
17:10 cait :)
17:10 cait hi all
17:11 cait oleonard: be glad you are not QAM... have you seen how many qa follow ups are on some of the patches?
17:11 cait i only say marc modifications...
17:12 oleonard I would go on strike if I were you cait
17:12 cait i am pondering it.
17:12 cait but better might try and bribe someone to fix maybe...
17:12 cait not sure whom yet tho
17:12 cait hm.
17:14 mtompset So, who can fix and how?
17:14 cait i think whoever speaks python and does
17:14 cait we have a git repository for git bz and we could do a pull request i think or send a patch to fishsoup
17:15 oleonard Any number of people in the list of committers including rangi and jcamins
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17:19 oleonard git-bz++
17:19 oleonard rangi++
17:19 oleonard jcamins++
17:19 druthb oleonard++
17:19 oleonard ...and to all who contributed
17:19 druthb cait++
17:25 * cait didn#t do anything
17:30 druthb bull.
17:31 druthb cait, you do stuff *all*.*The*.*time* that deserves a ++.
17:31 cait hmpf
17:31 oleonard druthb spends karma like it's not a limited resource which will run out eventually and we'll have to switch to solar karma
17:32 druthb pfft.  I'm already on renewable-energy karma.
17:33 mtompset Actually, the only limit is the byte size storing the number. :P
17:33 gaetan_B bye !
17:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #100: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/100/
17:33 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8507: koha-create now supports using DOM indexing for bibs
17:33 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 8507: (follow-up) fix one reference to __ZEBRA_BIBLIOS_CFG__
17:33 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8705: Restore current stable branch's default behaviour
17:33 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10802: make Debian package install history.txt
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-create should be updated to use DOM indexing for bib
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, RESOLVED FIXED, Software error on help of main page
17:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10802 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , history.txt missing in packages
17:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #1478 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:36 * cait thinks renewable karma makes a lot of sense
17:38 gmcharlt @quote add cait thinks renewable karma makes a lot of sense
17:38 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #281 added.
17:40 * cait hides
17:40 druthb no hide!
17:40 cait :P
17:40 * druthb is a Buddhist, so renewable Karma makes perfect sense.  You one-time-arounders can treat it like a limited resource, if you want.
17:41 tcohen heh
17:42 cait gmcharlt++
17:49 mtompset gmcharlt: tangential, not completely off-topic. :P
17:53 gmcharlt mtompset: fairly or not, I have an extremely low tolerance for discussions about version numbering; while I'm not opposed to the notion that we should increment the major version number or do something else at some point in the future, I consider the effort that usually goes into discussing it to represent an opportunity cost for other things we can discuss
17:54 gmcharlt also, they can be derailing
17:54 cait gmcharlt++ :)
17:55 jcamins gmcharlt: "extremely low tolerance"? I call BS. Your tolerance is miles above mine.
17:57 reiveune bye
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17:57 jcamins At best, your diplomacy makes your tolerance "reasonably low."
18:00 mtompset gmcharlt: Okay, valid points.
18:00 mtompset This does raise a question in my mind... Is Bootstrap already in master, and what is default in Master now?
18:01 gmcharlt mtompset: Bootstrap is in master, and currently 'prog' is the default if you were to do a fresh install from master
18:01 mtompset How would I change to bootstrap?
18:02 gmcharlt mtompset: set the opactheme system preference
18:02 tcohen opactheme
18:02 mtompset That's all?
18:02 mtompset Okay... better go see what styling changes I have to make in the near future.
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18:10 kivilahtio another day another trial
18:12 tcohen cait: you promised some pointers to ICU confiiguration page
18:12 cait ah sorry :)
18:12 cait back home and already covered it work again
18:12 cait i was thinking of this:
18:12 cait[…]of_Arabic_records
18:14 JesseM Hello #koha
18:14 druthb hi, JesseM.
18:15 rangi hi JesseM
18:15 cait hi JesseM :)
18:15 JesseM I have a question. Is there a reason why My Purchase Suggestions, My Lists, and My Messaging do not show up when your logged in on a mobile device?
18:16 rangi JesseM: have you tried on master with the bootstrap theme?
18:17 JesseM Hey rangi I will try that thanks
18:17 oleonard In other words: probably a bug in the CCSR theme JesseM
18:18 JesseM Thats what I was thinking. Just didn't know if was left out for a reason. :)
18:18 cait i think maybe left out on purpose or not sued by the library
18:19 rangi sued?
18:19 rangi thats a bit drastic!!
18:19 rangi :)
18:19 cait used... gr. :)
18:20 jcamins rangi: not here!
18:29 rangi talljoy: i was thinking of your man on the flight home, some poor staff person had to sit in the jump seat for the full 12 hour flight (well they walked around a bit, but even so)
18:29 talljoy it's brutal
18:29 rangi yeah
18:29 talljoy but it gets you where you want on the cheap many times.  so that makes up for it
18:30 rangi i lucked out and got a bulkhead seat
18:30 talljoy nice.  legroom!!!
18:30 rangi yep, and aisle too, and the couple next to me crashed out and slept the whole flight, it was pretty sweet
18:30 rangi i managed to watch 5 movies :)
18:31 rangi bag: http://earthobservatory.nasa.g[…]&src=twitter-iotd  <-- mt doom second from the right
18:31 cait 4 movies and an episode of scoobie doo :)
18:32 rangi hehe nice
18:32 rangi did i ever tell you my scooby doo story?
18:32 cait not yet
18:33 oleonard rangi: Did the Scooby Doo gang thwart your plot to steal the treasure?
18:33 rangi well the guy who played shaggy in the movie, was here in wellington filming a horrid movie (without a paddle)
18:34 rangi and was at nicolini's restaurant eating with seth green and the big guy who was in ER
18:34 rangi my friend simon was off to the UK, so we were having a farewell dinner
18:34 rangi and at some point we were taking photos
18:34 jcamins Every movie should have a paddle! Otherwise what will they do if a canoe suddenly appears?
18:34 rangi shaggy got it into his head we were taking photos of him
18:34 rangi so pulled the bird in the background of a couple of shots
18:35 rangi so simon said "get the f**k out of our photos shaggy you twat"
18:35 rangi it was pretty epic
18:35 cait lol
18:35 oleonard :D
18:35 cait rangi: is there a happy end? did simon come back from UK?
18:36 rangi yep, he is the head of the nz pharmalogical society, and chief pharmacist at nelson hospital now
18:36 oleonard And did the photos get posted online somewhere for shaggy-shaming?
18:36 cait yay!
18:36 cait i love happy ends :)
18:36 rangi the next time i saw him after that was at my wedding in pittsburgh actually
18:36 jcamins rangi: Shaggy was at your wedding?
18:37 rangi hehe no, simon
18:37 rangi im not sure shaggy has worked again
18:37 rangi that movie may have ended his career
18:37 rangi it was pretty horrendous
18:37 rangi maybe thats why he was so angry
18:38 jcamins How could you recognize him, anyway?
18:38 jcamins Did he really look like the cartoon?
18:38 oleonard Yeah his IMDB list looks pretty thin in the big movie dept.
18:39 oleonard I didn't realize he went on to voice subsequent Scooby Doo cartoons
18:39 cait ah JD landed in nz :)
18:40 cait rangi: so you were not the last one to get home :)
18:40 rangi jcamins: naw, but he is pretty recognisable
18:41 oleonard From the live action Scooby Doo movie jcamins
18:41 jcamins oleonard: oh.
18:41 * jcamins didn't know there was one.
18:42 rangi[…]/album28/IMG_3696  <-- some of the nzers who flew to pittsburgh for the wedding, in the stupidly huge rental truck, simon is second from the right
18:42 oleonard Do American trucks come in another size besides "stupidly huge?"
18:43 cait guess it's similar to portion sizes?
18:43 gmcharlt oleonard: if it weren't stupidly huge, it wouldn't be an American truck by definition ;)
18:43 rangi i must admit it was fun to drive
18:44 rangi crushing pedestrians, knocking over little old ladies
18:44 rangi  offtopic
18:45 rangi now this is cool
18:45 rangi
18:45 rangi it tells you the shipping cost, without having to sign up first
18:45 rangi more internet stuffs should do that
18:46 cait hm i think they have to have the shipping here.... but not totally sure
18:47 rangi most of them wait until you put something in your cart
18:47 oleonard We had programmable toys back in the day too:
18:48 rangi oh cool
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18:49 oleonard gmcharlt still around?
18:49 gmcharlt oleonard: ayup
18:50 rangi[…]eservation-tools/  <-- more on topic to #koha
18:50 gmcharlt rangi: hmm, I'm finding git-bz is for me ... not broken
18:50 oleonard We should talk about workflow with the new Bootstrap theme. I've been using LESS to generate the CSS, and I'd like to be able to continue to do so going forward
18:51 rangi gmcharlt: it only doesnt work when i attach gmcharlt
18:51 rangi hmm redundant rangi is redundant
18:51 gmcharlt rangi: yeah, but I just successfully attached a patch to the test bug (6473)
18:51 cait !
18:51 * cait goes to try
18:51 rangi oleonard: as i write very very little css ill defer to those who do
18:52 rangi gmcharlt: interesting i wonder if it was changing the status that was doing it
18:52 cait gmcharlt: which command did you use?
18:52 rangi thats it
18:52 rangi git bz attach works
18:53 rangi but not if you change the status
18:53 gmcharlt oleonard: sounds reasonable, especially given the availability of several different LESS compilers
18:53 cait oh yay!
18:53 * cait confirms
18:54 rangi i have to take kids to school, if someone could reply to my mail saying that that would be great
18:54 oleonard gmcharlt: I wonder if you think it would make sense to ask developers to submit changes only to the .less files and have the RM compile the CSS when pushing?
18:54 gmcharlt oleonard: if we go that route, I think the thing to do would be to integrate it into the installation process, and write up instructions for devs on how to compile it whenever they need to chagne something
18:54 rangi the status changing should be easier to fix
18:55 cait rangi: i am already very happy :)
18:55 cait because i have the help files to qa...
18:55 cait and now i won't have to go through a git-format patch nightmare :)
18:55 rangi cool
18:55 gmcharlt oleonard: OK, sounds like we're on the samge page; my preference would be to take out the generated CSS files entirely
18:55 rangi it may be the status change needs a token bit too
18:55 oleonard gmcharlt: How would that work?
18:55 gmcharlt and just provide the tools to generate them when needed, and maybe add a non-production mode to compile them on the fly for testing
18:56 rangi gmcharlt: build them when doign a release?
18:57 rangi thats how we do it for
18:57 rangi we also have a rewrite rule
18:57 gmcharlt rangi: yes, that's one option, though there needs to be a way for devs to readily recompile them during intermediate stages
18:57 rangi so the path to the css is /something/something/timestamp/file.css
18:58 rangi such that, you dont need to get ppl to go round shift refreshing
18:58 rangi because the file looks different to the webbrowser each release
18:58 rangi and you can cache it forevers
18:59 rangi something to perhaps think about
18:59 gmcharlt agreed
18:59 rangi it would just be a TT plugin
18:59 rangi plus a rewrite rule
18:59 rangi we could use the version number
18:59 gmcharlt (+ a bit of Plack invocation magic, presumably)
18:59 rangi yep
19:00 mtompset Speaking of kids... bus stop time.
19:00 rangi altho using nginx (or lighthttpd or something) to serve the static and plack to serve the dynamic is still probably nicer
19:02 cait rangi: don't forget the kids :)
19:02 rangi hehe i wont, they are putting on shoes
19:02 rangi it takes a while
19:02 oleonard I'll say.
19:03 cait heh
19:03 gmcharlt rangi: update sent
19:03 oleonard gmcharlt: For developers it could be as simple as having the template call the .less files directly and compile on the fly with JS.
19:04 * cait has to do laundry and dishes... brb
19:04 gmcharlt oleonard: indeed
19:04 oleonard ...assuming the RM was compiling when pushing.
19:05 gmcharlt though a server-side compilation option woudl still be handy for folks who are testing the OPAC with JavaScript disabled
19:05 oleonard True
19:06 * oleonard uses node and[…]SS-Watch-Compiler
19:06 jcamins We could also say "if you want to do that, you need to use Plack and use on-the-fly compilation.
19:06 tcohen 9
19:06 jcamins It seems to me that the number of people testing features not intended for JS is pretty small.
19:07 oleonard What does Plack do in this case?
19:07 jcamins oleonard:[…]ware/File/
19:07 gmcharlt jcamins: there are a few folks who will occassionally test non-JS for accessbility checking
19:08 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, but few enough that I would think one of us who uses Plack could walk them through setting up on-the-fly compilation without much fuss.
19:08 jcamins Well, setting up Plack.
19:08 jcamins The on-the-fly compilation being included in our recommended PSGI application.
19:10 oleonard Okay, well.... Not sure how I can contribute to the solution.
19:11 * cait would have to be taught then
19:12 tcohen has anyone have the time to test the zebra / marcxml patches?
19:20 jcamins MS_Word--
19:20 jcamins Every time I use MS Word, I am reminded that it utterly sucks.
19:20 jcamins Somehow it just killed my battery.
19:21 jcamins What's it doing that sucks battery down at twice the usual rate?
19:21 tcohen while true { malloc ; free }
19:22 jcamins tcohen: yeah, probably.
19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1478: SUCCESS in 1 hr 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1478/
19:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11108: fix duplicate display of basket whose receipt has just been cancelled
19:25 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10750: Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
19:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10750: (follow-up) fix capitalization of suggestion form in Bootstrap theme
19:25 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11090 - Bootstrap theme: fix CSS problem with suggestions toolbar links
19:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10271: regression test for search using indexes containing 'ns'
19:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11108 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , undoing receiving does not appear to work (but actually does)
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10271: fix searching using an index containing "ns" or "nb"
19:25 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10271: (follow-up) correct tabs
19:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
19:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11090 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: CSS problem with suggestions toolbar links
19:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10271 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , An index containing ns or nb does not work
19:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #101 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 20 days ago)
19:25 tcohen itmanager still out of office, lucky him
19:29 cait tcohen++ :)
19:29 tcohen is this the smallest release ever? i feel i'm a lazy rmaint
19:32 cait it's just because it gets more perfect every time ;)
19:35 tcohen bye #koha
19:44 cait ok, back now
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19:45 cait someone time to sign off on some help file changes?
19:45 cait bug 10671
19:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
20:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #101: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/101/
20:04 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Update release notes for 3.12.6 release
20:04 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.12.06
20:04 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Increment version for 3.12.6 release
20:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #186 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #184 16 days ago)
20:12 rangi back
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20:32 rangi[…]rupt-a-programmer
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20:41 captflint hi all, I just installed koha on a debain VM, but I have a question.  I am able to access the staff interface just fine, but how do I access the OPAC?
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20:43 wizzyrea how are you accessing the staff client?
20:43 wizzyrea what url are you using :)
20:43 captflint via ip addess
20:44 captflint ipaddress:8080
20:44 wizzyrea can you hit just the ip?
20:44 captflint I tried that
20:44 wizzyrea or it gives you staff for both?
20:44 captflint I just get the default apache "It's Working" page
20:44 wizzyrea ah
20:44 captflint do I need to delete that first to get it to work?
20:48 wizzyrea[…]able_Default_Site
20:48 wizzyrea do read the disclaimer there.
20:49 captflint ok thanks
20:49 cait wizzyrea++
20:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #186: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/186/
20:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Release notes for 3.10.12 release
20:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.10.12
20:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Database update for 3.10.12 release
20:51 wizzyrea hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
20:51 captflint wizzyrea: hey thanks, it is working now.  I am impressed with how easily I was able to get the thing up and running to be honest.
20:51 wizzyrea :D
20:51 cait wizzyrea: yep - since friday, smooth trip
20:51 wizzyrea sweeeet
20:53 pianohacker hey cait :)
20:53 cait hi pianohacker :)
20:53 pianohacker and wizzytoogoodfornevada
20:53 pianohacker *sniff*
20:56 cait i still need some sign ofs on bug 10671
20:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
20:58 wizzyrea too good for nevada. Pft.
20:58 wizzyrea LIANZA was fun, but it wasn't a week with my kohabuddies
21:04 * cait hands wizzyrea a peanut butter cup
21:04 cait imported from Nevada :)
21:05 cait bug 10671
21:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
21:10 pianohacker cait: which bug now?
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21:12 captflint anybody know why koha won't let me save this marc record.  It is compliaing about field 942 subfeild c item in tab 9
21:13 wizzyrea because you haven't given it a koha item type in tab 9
21:13 wizzyrea :)
21:13 wizzyrea so click on tab 9 in cataloguing, scroll down to the 942c, and give it an item type
21:13 captflint ah, but there aren't any to choose from
21:13 cait ah
21:13 pianohacker what authentication with SAML feels like:[…]oni_at_sea816.jpg
21:13 cait i think i was wrong
21:13 wizzyrea you should create some in more -> administration
21:13 cait they have all sign offs
21:14 cait but only the firsthalf was tagged with [SIGNED OFF]
21:14 captflint thanks again wizzy
21:14 wizzyrea yw :)
21:17 cait wizzyrea++
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21:27 eythian hi
21:28 cait hey eythian :)
21:29 eythian back in windy Germany cait?
21:29 cait yep
21:29 cait indeed some wind here today
21:29 cait making weird noises blowing around the house
21:31 eythian I think you got ours, it was really calm here yesterday and today, after a whole week of high winds.
21:32 cait we got your cold weather too :(
21:32 eythian I dunno, it got down to about 9°C here overnight :)
21:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.4°C (10:30 PM CET on October 28, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
21:33 cait hmm
21:34 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:34 kathryn thank you for the treat cait :)
21:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
21:34 eythian see, it's colder here ;)
21:34 cait kathryn: it's really small... i didn't come up with something better yet - but working on it
21:35 kathryn cait: no need no need!
21:36 captflint is there any way to view all the books in the catalog?
21:37 eythian captflint: you could build a list with a report.
21:37 captflint ok, cool
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21:51 gmcharlt general announcement: git-bz should now be functioning normally
21:52 mtompset if we git pull the latest version?
21:52 cait woohoo
21:52 gmcharlt mtompset: no need, the problem was on BZ's end
21:52 cait hm weird
21:52 mtompset YAY!
21:53 mtompset I see the latest version is 4.4... will our URL change in the future?
21:53 cait gmcharlt: could you take a look at bug 8854?
21:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8854 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , invoice filters don't all work
21:54 cait prove t/Acquisition/Invoice.t fails, but running prove t is ok.... probably it doesn't run the tests and the directory?
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21:59 rangi hey NateC
21:59 NateC sup rangi!!
22:01 gmcharlt cait: oopsie. I've replaced the patch and set the status back to needs signoff
22:01 cait and i need to improve me script that runs the tests apparently :)
22:01 eythian yeah, 'prove' doesn't recurse.
22:02 cait what would? :)
22:02 gmcharlt prove -r
22:02 cait i will try that :)
22:02 cait looking at the follow up ashimena did for 6149 now
22:03 cait probably the invoices in the morning
22:03 cait already falling asleep
22:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10671: Update Reports Help <[…]f8a09d11a1768efbd> / Bug 10671: Update holds help <[…]e53c56191ad8c5183> / Bug 10671: Update Reviews Help <[…]ee3029d2dfda04779> / Bug 106
22:14 cait good night all
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22:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #185 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 6 days 15 hr ago)
22:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1479 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:46 captflint So I figured out an easier way to view all the books in a catalog
22:47 captflint You can just search for all books published after a 1500
22:48 jcamins captflint: unfortunately that won't necessarily work.
22:48 jcamins Records may not have publication dates at all.
22:48 jcamins If you don't have QueryParser on you can use this query: pqf=@attr 1=_ALLRECORDS @attr 2=103 ""
22:49 captflint ahh, well since I am the only one putting in catalog data on this particular installation, it should work for me
22:49 jcamins If you do have QueryParser on, you can use this query: allrecords:true
22:49 jcamins Heh.
22:49 jcamins Fair enough.
22:49 captflint it also works if you search for all books published before 2200 :)
22:52 captflint just curious, how does one turn on QueryParser?
22:54 jcamins UseQueryParser syspref.
23:02 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #185: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/185/
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing patron lists help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Authorities Help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in Catalog help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update main help files
23:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Lists Help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing authority merge help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in label help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update patron card creator help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update tag tool help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update plugins help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update suggestion help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Offline Circ Help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Remove Unused Help File
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reviews Help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update holds help
23:02 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reports Help
23:05 pianohacker nengard's inbox must be happy
23:11 jcamins pianohacker: or grouchy. Mine would be grouchy.
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