| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
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ibeardslee |
dcook: .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mmD9ubjzM |
| 00:05 |
|
tcohen |
interesting it is from 1979 |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
I'll never think of that expression the same way again |
| 00:05 |
|
ibeardslee |
:) |
| 00:06 |
|
dcook |
Interesting how 2013 doesn't seem all that different from 1979 in some ways |
| 00:06 |
|
tcohen |
the only nz music i knew was Bic Runga |
| 00:08 |
|
dcook |
I think my only exposure to NZ music has been from #koha and Lorde :p |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
Not that I'm criticizing either |
| 00:09 |
|
ibeardslee |
A lot of videos on here .. http://www.nzonscreen.com/watch/music-video |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
Flying nun? |
| 00:10 |
|
ibeardslee |
Kiwi record label |
| 00:10 |
|
dcook |
Ahh |
| 00:11 |
|
tcohen |
hey, I also have a Powderfinger CD :-D |
| 00:11 |
|
tcohen |
its australian |
| 00:11 |
|
tcohen |
didn't remember it was from Oceania :-P |
| 00:13 |
|
* dcook |
had no idea that Savage Garden was Australian until his wife lectured him one night on the bus :p |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
I just figure everything is American |
| 00:14 |
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| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
Lots of good music in Australia though |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
Although sometimes hearing a singer sing and then speak...is so bizarre |
| 00:14 |
|
ibeardslee |
heh .. mind you I have been surprised on more than one occasion .. oh that's a kiwi band? I think that sometimes we just forget how awesome we are ;) |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
They'll have an amazing clear singing voice, but have the thickest accent when speaking |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
ibeardslee: Same thing happens to me with Canada ;) |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Actually... |
| 00:15 |
|
* dcook |
tries to think of a good Canadian musician |
| 00:15 |
|
tcohen |
is "Ladies and gents" an australian expression? or just powderfinger? |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
I'm sure they exist |
| 00:15 |
|
tcohen |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fBbKtq_Li8 |
| 00:15 |
|
ibeardslee |
dcook: Neil Young |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
That's what I hear :p |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
I haven't listened enough to Neil Young to really make an informed opinion |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Actually, there are heaps of Canadian bands I like |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Maybe |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
Mostly recent ones |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
We try to pretend that Justin Bieber is American... |
| 00:16 |
|
tcohen |
not-ironic Alanis? |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, didn't know that Michael Bublé was Canadian... |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
Gotta love Alanis ;) |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
"Bublé had a strong passion for ice hockey and wanted to become a professional ice hockey player for the Vancouver Canucks growing up..." |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
Funny how almost every Canadian male celebrity says that...:p |
| 00:17 |
|
tcohen |
http://mashable.com/2013/07/19/ironic/ |
| 00:20 |
|
tcohen |
dinner time, bye dcook, and listen to Sigur Ros, icelandic post-rock band. |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
@later tell tcohen Who doesn't enjoy Sigur Ros? :P |
| 00:21 |
|
huginn` |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
Maybe I'm not listening closely enough to that redux but...I still don't think it's ironic |
| 00:23 |
|
dcook |
Mmm maybe it is |
| 00:23 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: the redo actually is ironic. |
| 00:23 |
|
jcamins |
A lot of the ironic bits are kind of slurred, though, in order to fit them in. |
| 00:26 |
|
dcook |
I'm not sure that I get some of their examples either |
| 00:26 |
|
jcamins |
Oh? |
| 00:27 |
|
dcook |
The smoking one and the couple's therapy one |
| 00:27 |
|
dcook |
You stop smoking, get a sign, start smoking, but can't smoke, because of the sign. |
| 00:27 |
|
dcook |
Maybe I"m being too literal in how I'm interpretting "start smoking" |
| 00:28 |
|
dcook |
I'm going to go do something productive now though :p |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
Hmm quick question |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
When fixing something something during the QA process...you keep your new versions as signed off still? |
| 00:30 |
|
jcamins |
That's correct. |
| 00:30 |
|
jcamins |
And non-ironic. |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
Thanks |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
gpl3? |
| 00:34 |
|
wahanui |
i heard gpl3 was rangi's default |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
gpl3? |
| 00:34 |
|
wahanui |
gpl3 is rangi's default |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
I know I have an example somewhere.. |
| 01:19 |
|
mtj |
dcook: -> http://git.koha-community.org/[…];a=blob;f=LICENSE |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I saw that before. |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
Thanks though :) |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
I found a script that had the more recent snippet as well |
| 01:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
I thought the whole deal of the song ironic was that it wasn't actually ironic. |
| 01:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
like that was the point from the get go. |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
Could be |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
That sounds familiar |
| 01:21 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: might be. I heard the original song only after the fixed version. |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
O_O |
| 01:22 |
|
* dcook |
wonders where jcamins was in the '90s |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: avoiding bad music. |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
:P |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
There was good music in the '90s? |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
:p |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
No. |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
So I had to avoid it all. :P |
| 01:26 |
|
* dcook |
wonders which is more difficult...writing a unit test for Breeding.pm or just re-writing how remote Z39.50 searching is done... |
| 01:26 |
|
dcook |
Then writing the unit test |
| 01:26 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: six or one half dozen. |
| 01:26 |
|
dcook |
Seems like it |
| 01:26 |
|
jcamins |
Except actually, you have to write an integration test first either way. |
| 01:27 |
|
dcook |
Hmm? |
| 01:27 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: Integration test? |
| 01:28 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: yeah, something to demonstrate that the entire Z39.50 stack is working both now and after you're done. |
| 01:28 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 01:30 |
|
dcook |
Note to self: Don't add new features to Koha. |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
Well, not really. |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
I'm just grumpy. |
| 03:03 |
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| 03:03 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:12 |
|
dcook |
hey mtompset |
| 03:12 |
|
wahanui |
somebody said mtompset was disliking finding bugs while testing. |
| 03:12 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, dcook. |
| 03:12 |
|
mtompset |
dcook? |
| 03:12 |
|
wahanui |
i think dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client |
| 03:12 |
|
mtompset |
Yep, the response for my name is still true. |
| 03:13 |
|
mtompset |
dcook... care to confirm a bug for me? |
| 03:14 |
|
mtompset |
you need a biblio record with multiple items some of which are hidden using OpacHiddenItems. :) |
| 03:14 |
|
mtompset |
look it up in the OPAC. normal view... partially hidden as expected. MARC view... fully listed. |
| 03:16 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I might have something that fits the bill |
| 03:18 |
|
dcook |
Yep. Certainly a bug in 3.8.0. |
| 03:18 |
|
dcook |
I don't think I have anything that could work at the moment on my dev site and might be a bit too tired to make anything |
| 03:18 |
|
mtompset |
That's okay. |
| 03:19 |
|
mtompset |
So, basically... the person who implemented OpacHiddenItems... failed to get opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl |
| 03:19 |
|
mtompset |
probably because their head is exploding like mine reading the code. ;) |
| 03:19 |
|
mtompset |
It's data structure intensive reading. |
| 03:39 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I get the head exploding thing :p |
| 03:46 |
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| 03:46 |
|
ducnq |
hello |
| 03:46 |
|
ducnq |
I'm new member |
| 03:46 |
|
ducnq |
nice to meet all you |
| 03:48 |
|
eythian |
hello ducnq |
| 03:49 |
|
ducnq |
hi |
| 03:49 |
|
wahanui |
bonjour, ducnq |
| 03:49 |
|
ducnq |
I'm starting to learn about koha |
| 03:49 |
|
ducnq |
so need to help from all of you |
| 03:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
shoot :) |
| 04:22 |
|
* mtompset |
rummages around for the skittles gun. ;) |
| 04:22 |
|
mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) |
| 04:23 |
|
mtompset |
Bye, dcook wizzyrea ducnq. |
| 04:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
later :) |
| 05:30 |
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| 06:31 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:31 |
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wahanui |
hey, reiveune |
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cait |
hm is git down? |
| 06:47 |
|
cait |
hm of coruse |
| 06:47 |
|
cait |
course |
| 06:48 |
|
cait |
it starts raining when i have to leave to work... doesn't it always? |
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| 07:26 |
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rangi |
yep looks down to me |
| 07:26 |
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rangi |
evening |
| 07:26 |
|
kf |
morning |
| 07:28 |
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rangi |
can't ssh to it either, gonna need a kick i think, probably OOM |
| 07:28 |
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kf |
OOM? |
| 07:28 |
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kf |
ah, out of memory? |
| 07:29 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 07:39 |
|
rangi |
didnt miss anything |
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liw |
rangi, good luck! |
| 09:00 |
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* kf |
waves to liw |
| 09:03 |
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| 09:04 |
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kf |
good morning Viktor |
| 09:05 |
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Viktor |
Morning kf! |
| 09:05 |
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| 09:14 |
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kf |
hi mtj and connor_dewar :) |
| 09:14 |
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connor_dewar |
Hello :) could you give me a hand with installing koha? |
| 09:15 |
|
kf |
where are you stuck connor_dewar? |
| 09:17 |
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connor_dewar |
well i ran the code: ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u to check for perl dependincies and it gave me this : (ill try use the past page) |
| 09:18 |
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kf |
have you isntalled the koha-common package? |
| 09:18 |
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kf |
ah, I will wait for the paste .) |
| 09:18 |
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kf |
paste? |
| 09:18 |
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wahanui |
paste is, like, found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 09:20 |
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connor_dewar |
its going a bit slow , probably my internet |
| 09:22 |
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connor_dewar |
try this: http://pastebin.com/9S4eHRvA |
| 09:23 |
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connor_dewar |
so i see im missing/arnt updated those modules but i am unsure how to get/upgrade them |
| 09:24 |
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kf |
Data::Pagination is ony for SOLR |
| 09:24 |
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kf |
you don't need that |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
Archive::Extract is also only used by one feature.... i think the plugin system, so you can ignore it for now |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
and the last one is I think used for the test suite maybe |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
have you tried apt-get install libtest-www-mechanize-perl? |
| 09:25 |
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connor_dewar |
no ill try it |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
often you can add lib at the beginning and -perl at the end :) |
| 09:27 |
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connor_dewar |
http://pastebin.com/zPnm4NZv |
| 09:27 |
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connor_dewar |
already newest version? |
| 09:27 |
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| 09:27 |
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kf |
ah maybe your version is a bit different to the listed requirement |
| 09:27 |
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kf |
all those shoudl not give you problems |
| 09:28 |
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connor_dewar |
oh cool :) |
| 09:28 |
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kf |
i think you can safely continue :) |
| 09:28 |
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connor_dewar |
thanks will get back to you :) |
| 09:35 |
|
Herwig |
Hey koha ... question where does the name Koha stands for ... ? or is it just a name |
| 09:36 |
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connor_dewar |
i beleive a koha is a donation? |
| 09:36 |
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| 09:36 |
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vfernandes |
hi :) |
| 09:36 |
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kf |
Herwig: it's a word from the maori language (connor can probably explain better) |
| 09:37 |
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Herwig |
ow :) |
| 09:37 |
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Herwig |
ok |
| 09:37 |
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kf |
so not an abbreviation for something, i have heard the translation gift too |
| 09:37 |
|
Herwig |
have ademo of our koha this afthernoon so i just ask ;) |
| 09:38 |
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connor_dewar |
yes to the extent of my knowledge its just a donation.Quote: koha (noun) gift, present, offering, donation, contribution. |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28custom%29 - not sure how accurate :) |
| 09:38 |
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vfernandes |
today when trying in koha 3.12 to checkout an item to a patron with charges the system gives an empty error message |
| 09:39 |
|
vfernandes |
the checkouts are blocked to patrons with fines |
| 09:39 |
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connor_dewar |
words from the creators mouth : a gift with strings. our gift to the world :) |
| 09:39 |
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vfernandes |
there is any bug related to this |
| 09:39 |
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vfernandes |
» |
| 09:39 |
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Herwig |
thx for the info i'm reading ;) |
| 09:39 |
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vfernandes |
? |
| 09:40 |
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kf |
Herwig: there is also a nice article about koha ... let me find it |
| 09:40 |
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Herwig |
oki |
| 09:40 |
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kf |
http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 |
| 09:40 |
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kf |
and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_and_Explanation :) |
| 09:40 |
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connor_dewar |
Mum also said they chose just because they needed a name and it was a nice word :) |
| 09:41 |
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* kf |
thinks connor_dewar is cheating :P |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
;) |
| 09:43 |
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connor_dewar |
haha i have info from the creator in the room why not use it :) |
| 09:43 |
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kf |
:) |
| 09:44 |
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kf |
hm seems git is still ... on vacation |
| 09:46 |
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connor_dewar |
hmm possibly an issue . i ran: make test . and it said all tests passed but the atricle says i should get code similar to this. but mine is not simmilar at all :/ |
| 09:47 |
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rangi |
the more people hit it, the harder it is to get back |
| 09:47 |
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rangi |
re git |
| 09:47 |
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* kf |
stopped - only clicked on a link then realized why it didn't work |
| 09:49 |
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connor_dewar |
what i shpouldve got: http://pastebin.com/Uq0vBq8t . what i did get: http://pastebin.com/tij0kXpK |
| 09:51 |
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connor_dewar |
just the last page of what i did get |
| 09:59 |
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kf |
sec |
| 09:59 |
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kf |
hm but it ended with all tests successful? |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
ah the first is the end of make install |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
the other make test i think |
| 10:00 |
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| 10:03 |
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connor_dewar |
ohkay |
| 10:03 |
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connor_dewar |
ahhh that makes sense |
| 10:06 |
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vfernandes |
anyone had my problem? |
| 10:06 |
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kf |
vfernandes: i have not seen any bug report yet |
| 10:07 |
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kf |
vfernandes: it should not happen - but maybe check the fine related system preferences to se fi they make a difference? there are quite a few related to blocks in circ and messages |
| 10:09 |
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vfernandes |
related to fines I have another problem |
| 10:10 |
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vfernandes |
manually I done a checkout where the due date was yesterday... the script fines.pl run everynigth, but the fine wasn't calculated, and it should be 0.50€ |
| 10:11 |
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vfernandes |
I think the days aren't being correctly calculated |
| 10:11 |
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vfernandes |
maybe because of the hours... |
| 10:11 |
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kf |
what's your grace period? what's your fine interval? |
| 10:12 |
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kf |
is the system prefrence finesmode activated? |
| 10:12 |
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vfernandes |
grace period = 0, fine interval = 1... the due date was 2013-09-09 23:59 and the script runned at 2013-09-10 01:00 |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
| 10:13 |
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kf |
vfernandes: hours or days as unit? |
| 10:13 |
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vfernandes |
days |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
what about finesmode? |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
hi drojf :) |
| 10:14 |
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vfernandes |
finesmode? |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
system preference |
| 10:14 |
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wahanui |
system preference is, like, ReservesMaxPickUpDelay |
| 10:15 |
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vfernandes |
calculate and charge |
| 10:15 |
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kf |
what happens when you run fines.pl with -v? |
| 10:15 |
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| 10:16 |
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vfernandes |
it writes the log file, but gives a little erro with Koha::Calendar |
| 10:16 |
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vfernandes |
wait... I'm running it |
| 10:19 |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
| 10:19 |
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huginn` |
drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.2°C (12:13 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:26 |
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connor_dewar |
so the instruictions said to go to:http://127.0.1.1:8080/ and i got: http://pastebin.com/aFhWWh6i |
| 10:28 |
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kf |
hm |
| 10:29 |
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vfernandes |
kf - no errors this time |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
connor_dewar: not sure, maybe you got your connection data to the database not quite right |
| 10:29 |
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connor_dewar |
hmm ill have a look at what i did and see |
| 10:30 |
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connor_dewar |
i didnt get any other errors |
| 10:30 |
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connor_dewar |
which is odd. .. i think |
| 10:31 |
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kf |
so far othing needed the database |
| 10:31 |
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kf |
I think |
| 10:33 |
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connor_dewar |
appears it might be a login issue? it aborted at Auth.pm |
| 10:34 |
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vfernandes |
kf - fines.pl is calculating one day less |
| 10:35 |
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vfernandes |
for example I have a patron with 1.5€ of fines where the due date is 2013-09-05 |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
connor_dewar: database most probably really |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
maybe when you created the database you forgot to grant permissions? |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
first thing i would try is using mysql -u <user> -p <database> and see if you can log in |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
then you know the right connection data |
| 10:37 |
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kf |
and can check if that's what is in the koha-conf.xml file |
| 10:37 |
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connor_dewar |
hmm i did this: GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}'; |
| 10:37 |
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kf |
when you ran the makefile, did you give kohadata as the name of your db? |
| 10:38 |
|
kf |
you did a dev installation? |
| 10:38 |
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connor_dewar |
i did give kohadata and i did use dev |
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kf |
did the mysql command work and connect? |
| 10:38 |
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kf |
mysql -u koha -p kohadata |
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connor_dewar |
yup that connects fine |
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kf |
did you run the export commands at the end of the make install run? |
| 10:39 |
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kf |
ok |
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kf |
next i would check the koha-conf file |
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kf |
it's in .... koha-dev/etc? i think? |
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connor_dewar |
oh . i didnt run them' |
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kf |
can#t check currently |
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connor_dewar |
i thought it just said id need them later |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
i think run now, but I guess it won't fix |
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kf |
did you have koha installed on this machine before? |
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connor_dewar |
koha httpd conf or koha conf xml |
| 10:41 |
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kf |
the xml one |
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kf |
there are multiple passwords in there - os have to be a bit careful to see the right one |
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connor_dewar |
http://pastebin.com/UbTm1Sua here it is |
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connor_dewar |
what am i looking for? |
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kf |
look for mysql |
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kf |
i think your user and password are probably wrong: |
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kf |
<user>kohaadmin</user><pass>katikoan</pass> |
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kf |
it has kohaadmin - you said koha earlier :) - I think maybe modify and run the grant permissions again |
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kf |
hm not sure really right now |
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kf |
if the mysql user has to be a real user... so maybe it's easier to change the conf file to match |
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connor_dewar |
GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}'; this thing? |
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mtj_ |
heya kf, connor_dewar |
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connor_dewar |
hey |
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mtj_ |
kf, thanks for helping me with the qa-sprint wiki page |
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mtj_ |
hey connor, have you been experimenting more with pygame? |
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connor_dewar |
i have but mainly iv been expanding my coding horizons |
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connor_dewar |
with some php and ruby |
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connor_dewar |
and trying to set up koha |
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connor_dewar |
Seeya everyone iv gota get to bed. Thanks #kf |
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kf |
ah now he was a little too fast for me :) |
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mtj_ |
yeah, too quick :) |
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kf |
mtj++ - thx for setting up a page |
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kf |
mtj: just wanted to get it out fast now - because it's only 2 days away :) |
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kf |
time for lunch - bbl :) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
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* oleonard |
is curious about Bug 10856 too. Joubu? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10856 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser |
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oleonard |
Same as Bug 5500? |
| 12:28 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5500 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelf browse changing bib record |
| 12:29 |
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oleonard |
That looked like one of those post-library-interview/training bug batches :) |
| 12:30 |
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Joubu |
oleonard: I will try to explain in a comment asap |
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kf |
Joubu: the one with the warning about item already checked out is something one of our libraries have asked for as well :) |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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kf |
good morning tcohen :) |
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tcohen |
so there is a QA party kf? |
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kf |
yes - thursday :) bring cake! |
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kf |
oleonard-away has gone to bake cake and cookies for the event - I think |
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tcohen |
:) |
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druthb |
o/ |
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kf |
hi druthb :) |
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* druthb |
wriggles happily |
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tcohen |
hi druthb |
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druthb |
Hi, tcohen. :) |
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* druthb |
spent some time working on her KohaCon preso last night. |
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druthb |
Hi, talljoy! :) |
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tcohen |
'preso' like 'jailed' |
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talljoy |
hi druthb!! |
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druthb |
tcohen: presentation—abbreviation, sorry. There's a couple of ways I can take this one, and I've not decided which way to go. |
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talljoy |
giving a speech druthb? |
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tcohen |
impress.js |
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druthb |
talljoy: at KohaCon. :) |
| 13:05 |
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talljoy |
oh yay. i'll get to see you then!! |
| 13:05 |
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talljoy |
how long will you be out there? |
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druthb |
17th thru 20th. Just a few days. |
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talljoy |
funny we have to go 1500+ miles to see each other when we live just 250-300 miles away!! |
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druthb |
True 'nuf. And I'll be driving by, even closer, this weekend, on my way up to Denison. |
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talljoy |
ooooo romance is in the air. |
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tcohen |
what car druthb? |
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druthb |
tcohen: I have a 2011 Nissan Sentra. It *likes* the highway. good fuel mileage. |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
nice car |
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druthb |
The speed limit on much of the stretch between Houston and Dallas is 120 kph, and my engine will be turning around 2000 rpm for much of that way. An easy cruise. |
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druthb |
talljoy: I'll be brining my pens with me, so if you want to do some gift-shopping, you'll have your chance. |
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jcamins |
Mmm. |
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jcamins |
Brined pens. |
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druthb |
s/brining/bringing/ |
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* druthb |
chucks Skittles at jcamins. |
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jcamins |
druthb: I vote for bringing brined pens. |
| 13:11 |
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jcamins |
For people who chew on their pens. |
| 13:11 |
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jcamins |
Actual flavor! |
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druthb |
lol |
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* druthb |
wonders how one would do that. Like fumed oak, maybe? |
| 13:12 |
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tcohen |
is git down? |
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talljoy |
smoked pens? with some bacon flavor? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: seems to be. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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druthb |
morning, mtompset! :) |
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mtompset |
And now I know you are a skittles bot, druthb. :P |
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* kf |
is in a bug filing frenzy - also known as working through my training notes :) |
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druthb |
? |
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druthb |
kf++ |
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* mtompset |
cheers kf on. :) |
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mtompset |
druthb: Your reply was too fast for a human. ;) |
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druthb |
:P |
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* druthb |
thinks someone oughta sponsor mtompset coming to KohaCon, so she'll have someone to throw Skittles at. |
| 13:17 |
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kf |
mtompset: she has that on a shortcut I think *rollseyes* |
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druthb |
kf: shhhhhhh! Givin' away my secrets. |
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mtompset |
druthb: I would not be adverse to that idea. :) |
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druthb |
:) |
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mtompset |
It would a good opportunity to meet people, and participate in the hackfest portion. Everything else library related would probably go over my head though. |
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druthb |
My company (which doesn't have a thing to do with libraries, actually) is a sponsor of the con already; never know, you might find some odd way to get to go, if you get creative about it. |
| 13:25 |
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vfernandes |
another problem: in koha 3.12 i can renew books that are on hold |
| 13:25 |
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vfernandes |
in other versions the renews where blocked |
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vfernandes |
there is another syspref? |
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| 14:00 |
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blou |
good morning! |
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blou |
... afternoon... evening |
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kf |
hi blou |
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blou |
hi! |
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mtompset |
blou: Greetings! I prefer good day, because the 24 hour sense of the word day is always correct. :) |
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oleonard |
"Hello" is also nice. |
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mtompset |
Yes, greetings which are unlinked to time work very well too. :) |
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blou |
But "good morning" is more jolly. Always a nice sense of hope and sunshine for the day coming ahead |
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oleonard |
Who do we have to poke to ask to poke the git server? |
| 14:02 |
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mtompset |
I agree, blou. :) |
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kf |
hm git still not recovered :( |
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mtompset |
good thing I'm testing tarball. ;) |
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kf |
oleonard: rangi already did this morning until late |
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jcamins |
Someone at ByWater. Maybe talljoy can help? |
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jcamins |
I guess everyone else is off for the primaries. |
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kf |
primaries? |
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jcamins |
kf: primary elections are today. |
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mtompset |
elections for what? |
| 14:05 |
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jcamins |
All contested positions that are up for election this year. |
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jcamins |
I presume. |
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* jcamins |
refuses to register a party affiliation, so he's never voted in a primary. |
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talljoy |
perks up at her name |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I think the issue with 10860 (pardon the pun) is a language issue. |
| 14:09 |
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talljoy |
let me see if I have a git expert in the house. |
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jcamins |
"In-house use" usually means "this item was used in the library without being checked out." |
| 14:10 |
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kf |
and the first one is hiding ;) |
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jcamins |
I'm trying to think of a general term for what you're describing. I'd usually call it "supervised use," but that's not really general. |
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kf |
reading room use here i guess |
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kf |
Lesesaalausleihe |
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kf |
not really general too i guess |
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jcamins |
kf: gesundheit! |
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kf |
pf. |
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* kf |
promises to talk fast and german to jcamins at kohacon! |
| 14:12 |
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mtompset |
And the language joke falls flat. ;) |
| 14:14 |
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druthb |
uhoh. jcamins, you're in trouble. |
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druthb |
An upset German is a fearsome thing. |
| 14:15 |
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kf |
my brain falls back to german when i get overwhelmed anyway :) |
| 14:17 |
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khall |
looks like git.koha-community.org is down, I gave it a reboot, but it failed: startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed! |
| 14:19 |
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kf |
that doesn't look goo |
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kf |
d |
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mtompset |
kf: Most people fall back to their native tongue when they are overwhelmed. |
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khall |
yeah, I know bywater hosts the server, but I'm not sure who adminitrate it |
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* chris_n |
notes git is down too |
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chris_n |
ping seems ok |
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chris_n |
but the site will not load up |
| 14:20 |
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chris_n |
mtompset: interesting observation |
| 14:20 |
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khall |
yeah, git-daemon isn't starting |
| 14:20 |
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mtompset |
chris_n: Personal experience too. :) |
| 14:21 |
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chris_n |
seems many people's native language is the same or very similar... ;-) |
| 14:21 |
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mtompset |
I need to practice my Tagalog skills more for when that happens. :) |
| 14:21 |
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* jcamins |
just loses any coherent language selection when overwhelmed... bits of Arabic and Russian start appearing. |
| 14:23 |
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kf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dministration#git.koha-community.org |
| 14:24 |
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kf |
I think we shoudl update this list |
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kf |
hdl might not be available |
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gmcharlt |
back |
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gmcharlt |
khall: need a hand? |
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kf |
hi gmcharlt :) we were just looking for you :) |
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khall |
gmcharlt: most definitely! |
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gmcharlt |
khall: what's the capsule summary? |
| 14:25 |
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khall |
it looks like both gitolite and gitorious have been installed on this server |
| 14:25 |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
druthb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) |
| 14:25 |
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khall |
gmcharlt: git-daemon won't start |
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khall |
startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed! |
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khall |
I can't even tell what's being used, and what is just cruft ; ) |
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* kf |
hands out cookies |
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gmcharlt |
khall: hmm, it's not letting me ssh in |
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khall |
try ssh'ing to 50.56.246.75 |
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khall |
I wonder if we have a dns issue as well |
| 14:29 |
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khall |
or only a dns issue and the startup error is normal |
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gmcharlt |
khall: so 174.143.233.17 is no longer its IP address? |
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khall |
investigating |
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khall |
my bad, I was on the wrong git server! |
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khall |
back up! |
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khall |
I couldn't shell in, so I gave it a boot and now it's looking good to go |
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* gmcharlt |
will look at logs and do a post-mortem |
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gmcharlt |
khall: thanks for bouncing it |
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khall |
Good idea, np! |
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oleonard |
khall++ |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt++ |
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mtompset |
khall++ |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:44 |
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gmcharlt |
a single IP address in Pakistan made 79 attempts to download tarball snapshots from gitweb |
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gmcharlt |
that's what killed it |
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* oleonard |
shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll! |
| 14:48 |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add oleonard shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll! |
| 14:48 |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #276 added. |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ khall++ |
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mtompset |
79 attempts to download a tarball?! |
| 14:50 |
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kf |
hope the person does not do that again |
| 14:51 |
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mtompset |
Is there a url? We should find the person that pointed to grabbing a tarball snapshot from gitweb. Perhaps a set of bad instruction exists out there. |
| 14:51 |
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* gmcharlt |
has disabled the snapshot-download feature in Koha's gitweb |
| 14:51 |
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* oleonard |
mails 79 LiveDVDs to Pakistan |
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mtompset |
That would probably be useful if you had an address to send them, oleonard. :) |
| 14:53 |
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oleonard |
Details, details. |
| 14:53 |
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* blou |
reading the wikis to know how to start contributing |
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oleonard |
blou: What are you hoping to work on? |
| 14:55 |
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mtompset |
Isn't Oak from pakistan? |
| 14:55 |
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blou |
What is 3.13(14) roadmap? Looking for release schedule but can't find it. |
| 14:55 |
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oleonard |
roadmap? |
| 14:55 |
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oleonard |
Hm, I thought wahanui had something for that. |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
schedule? |
| 14:56 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... schedule is not fixed yet..there has been some delay from the client side.. |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
releases? |
| 14:56 |
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wahanui |
i think releases is the type |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
release? |
| 14:56 |
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wahanui |
release is, like, the 22nd nz time every month |
| 14:58 |
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jcamins |
release schedule? |
| 14:58 |
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wahanui |
release schedule is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 14:58 |
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blou |
oleonard: very varied. We have changes done to various libraries. We want(need) to streamline our process. Bringing what we can to the community (and official release), isolate the rest on branches following LATEST version |
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oleonard |
blou: Who is "we?" Sorry if you already said and I missed it. |
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kf |
blou: generally sounds good and welcome |
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blou |
oleonard: sorry, we are "inlibro" |
| 15:00 |
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oleonard |
Okay, thanks |
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blou |
I work with ebegin |
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kf |
blou: got starting points might be getting familiar with bugzilla - logging what you want to contribute ther eor look if someone else is already working on it |
| 15:00 |
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kf |
hm good starting point... i think you already know about git probably :) |
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blou |
kf: sure, that's the plan. |
| 15:01 |
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gmcharlt |
postmortem sent |
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blou |
kf: but we wanted to make our branch on "latest". Trying to determine what is "latest" right now, for one. |
| 15:02 |
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kf |
blou: develop always against the master branch |
| 15:02 |
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kf |
not a specific version |
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blou |
kf: lot of our changes have since been done (differently) by community. We need to go through all that (some customers are on 3.4) and make sense of it before we even file our first Bugzilla |
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kf |
some information on the workflow is in git, i don't know how to link to the developers handbook - but you can see it on the bottom of the page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 15:03 |
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kf |
blou: feel free to ask lots of questions :) |
| 15:03 |
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mtompset |
workflow? |
| 15:03 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 15:03 |
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kf |
coding guidelines? |
| 15:03 |
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wahanui |
coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 15:04 |
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blou |
kf: thanks. First ones are the hardest. I'll ask a lot of them in the coming weeks. |
| 15:04 |
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blou |
that's a bot, right? |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
yep |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
wahanui and huginn are bots |
| 15:04 |
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wahanui |
OK, kf. |
| 15:04 |
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kf |
wahanui and huginn? |
| 15:04 |
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wahanui |
somebody said huginn was a bot, not a person. |
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* oleonard |
asks wahanui why he doesn't just turn the turtle over |
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jcamins |
turtle? |
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jcamins |
wahanui: turn the turtle over? |
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wahanui |
jcamins: no idea |
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oleonard |
Sorry, Blade Runner reference |
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mtompset |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/quotes |
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mtompset |
They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue? |
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oleonard |
I wonder if bkriegel is testing the new OPAC theme with a system preference setup I haven't anticipated |
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* oleonard |
can't figure out why it is failing for him |
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kf |
hm maybe with translations |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kf |
sometimes if you have a broken cookie that could do that |
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oleonard |
kf: Brilliant--Indeed I can replicate that error message if I try to switch languages |
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oleonard |
kf++ |
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kf |
lol |
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kf |
yeah, but struggling with her CSS! |
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kf |
oleonard++ :) |
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mtompset |
Given the MARCXML for a biblio, is there a way to know the koha itemnumbers in the 952 fields? |
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jcamins |
@marc 952 |
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wahanui |
The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
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huginn` |
jcamins: unknown tag 952 |
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mtompset |
Hmm... okay... let me check that idea... opac/opac-MARCdetails.pl is not operating on OpacHiddenItems system preference. |
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mtompset |
Hence the question, because the MARCdetails.pl grabs data differently than details.pl |
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mtompset |
@seen tcohen |
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huginn` |
mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <tcohen> is git down? |
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oleonard |
@seen mtompset |
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huginn` |
oleonard: mtompset was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 20 seconds ago: <mtompset> @seen tcohen |
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oleonard |
Darn, I wanted the nested @seen to work too |
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mtompset |
oleonard++ # for evil ideas. :P |
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jcamins |
oleonard: right now I'm working on something where Koha might actually benefit from a templating system like handlebars. |
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oleonard |
Oh yeah? |
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jcamins |
I'm writing a template for displaying MARC-in-JSON. |
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oleonard |
Sounds diverting ;) |
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jcamins |
And it strikes me that A) this is a heck of a lot friendlier than XSLT to the novice, B) more amenable to in-database storage, and C) could enable fully client-side display, for the cataloging module, or faster paging. |
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kf |
time to have sushi! |
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kf |
bye all :) |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: what template language are you proposing to use? |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I'm actually not proposing to use any, but oleonard had asked me a few weeks ago if there was any use for a client-side templating language like handlebars or mustache, and I had stated categorically that there was not. |
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jcamins |
Well, stated categorically that I couldn't think of any. |
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jcamins |
I, personally, am using Handlebars. |
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gmcharlt |
I would actually suggested template toolkit, were I to do it from scratch nowadays -- not client based, of course, but TT cetainly has everything needed, there's nothing per se that prevents templates from being stored in the database, and if paired with future work to use TT for notice tempalte and the like ... would have the end result of using a single template system for almost everything |
| 16:06 |
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gmcharlt |
well, replace "from scratch" with "now that we using TT for the page templates..." |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
Given that we already have TT, I see little point in switching, but a template system that also works on the client side _could_ be used in Koha for record rendering. |
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mtompset |
... yes... me like idea. :) |
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mtompset |
jcamins: Remember how the word plug-in confused me with respect to Koha plugins vs. cataloging plugins? It would seem that is what happened with VKV. He just sent me a thank you for my comment. |
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mtompset |
Is there a better way to express the lack of connect without changing the word plug in? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: probably by using the term "value builder" for the cataloging module, since that's what they're actually called. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, nengard. :) |
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nengard |
hello |
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* druthb |
's mind has been boggled. |
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oleonard |
? |
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druthb |
Third-party dev trying to integrate their stuff with cPanel…they've been told "no, it doesn't work like that" *at least* thrice…and so they asked again…this time, to *marketing*. |
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druthb |
(their plugin is trying to retrieve other people's passwords so you can do something on behalf of another user.) |
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druthb |
Wonder who they'll ask next…the janitor? |
| 17:56 |
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mtompset |
other people's passwords?! |
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oleonard |
Retrieving others' passwords... Never a good idea, or never EVER a good idea? |
| 17:56 |
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druthb |
yep. |
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mtompset |
Sounds like malware waiting to happen. |
| 17:56 |
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druthb |
Never *ever ever* a good idea. |
| 17:57 |
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tcohen |
jcamins, is there a way to do multi-language cataloguing with MARC? |
| 17:57 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: yes. Step 1, throw out MARC. Step 2, use a sensible metadata schema. |
| 17:57 |
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jcamins |
Or, to put it differently... |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Not pleasantly. |
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jcamins |
You can use 880s, but they're supposed to be used only for different scripts. |
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* mtompset |
cheers, "YAY! I think I have something working for MARCview that respects OpacHiddenItems." |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
i as thinking of writing a configurable value builder plugin to target TemaTres vocabulary servers |
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jcamins |
I think that would be *awesome*. |
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jcamins |
... and not unlike... |
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tcohen |
unlike...? |
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jcamins |
Took me a little while. |
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jcamins |
(seriously, though, I think it's a good idea) |
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jcamins |
(even if I feel obliged to make snarky comments about MARC) |
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oleonard |
I don't like using the word "biblio" in the staff client to refer to a title/bibliographic record/thing |
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oleonard |
...but what is the better term, if any? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: are we really using "biblio" in the UI? |
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oleonard |
I'm pretty sure there are instances where we do. Looking for a good argument for not adding another. |
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oleonard |
Maybe, "biblio is not a word?" |
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jcamins |
That sounds like a pretty strong argument. |
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oleonard |
Would you vote for "title" jcamins? |
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oleonard |
"record?" |
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jcamins |
I think probably "record" because of translation issues. |
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oleonard |
Good point. |
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jcamins |
"Title" sounds better to me in English, but I don't think it works in other languages. |
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oleonard |
"Patron already has an item from this record checked out." |
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mtompset |
"Patron has already checked out one of these items"? |
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mtompset |
No need to reference biblio or record. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: except then there's no referent at all. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: let's consult cait. |
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jcamins |
cait: We're discussing that sentence. In particular, we're wondering if putting "title" in there instead of record would be reasonably translatable. |
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druthb |
jcamins++ # consulting someone who actually translates about translation issues |
| 18:15 |
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cait |
? |
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cait |
which sentence? |
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* cait |
is still thinking about suhi mostly |
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oleonard |
"Patron already has an item from this title checked out." |
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druthb |
mmmm….sushi... |
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mtompset |
Title fits more nicely in the sentence. |
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cait |
i like title |
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cait |
or record |
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oleonard |
I don't think there is a way to make that sentence sound good. |
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cait |
i will translate it as Titel anyway :P |
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mtompset |
Record sounds too logical structure-ish. |
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cait |
hm one item of this title? |
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cait |
oleonard: propose a new one? :) |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
Der Benutzer hat bereits ein Exemplar dieses Titels ausgeliehen.... |
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* tcohen |
grumbles as more and more patches depend on 9394 |
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oleonard |
I would love to toss that into the English translation, cait, and see how long it takes for someone to complain. |
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cait |
as it#s normally me complaining about translatability issues... that would be a nice change :) |
| 18:18 |
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druthb |
As paul_p said in Mumbai, "We could complain about it…that's what we do, because we're French." lol |
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oleonard |
"Patron already has copy of this title checked out" <-- less precise but more understandable? |
| 18:27 |
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mtompset |
Is this covering multiple copies of the same book, or multiple volumes in the same series, or both? |
| 18:27 |
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jcamins |
Both. |
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cait |
has a? |
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oleonard |
Yes of course |
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cait |
mtompset: i think it doesn't make a different - item on record |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Bug 10859 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Alert if a patron already has an issue for the same biblio |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
mtompset: in germany for example we don't put multivolumes on the same record, every volume gets its own record - it would only happen for serials |
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cait |
not sure about unimar |
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cait |
c |
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mtompset |
How are multivolumes different from serials? |
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mtompset |
Or more properly what is a serial and what is a multivolume? |
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mtompset |
I'm not a library geek, forgive my ignorance. |
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oleonard |
Multi-volume: encyclopedia. Serial: Magazine. |
| 18:35 |
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mtompset |
Okay, that makes sense, thanks. |
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mtompset |
oleonard++ # for succinctly clarifying the difference between multivolumes and serials. |
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oleonard |
Of course a better librarian will quibble with the oversimplification ;) |
| 18:38 |
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mtompset |
sort of like calling all malware, trojans, etc. viruses for non-computer people. :) |
| 18:40 |
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mtompset |
okay... question... should I really split a one line bug fix into a seperate report and create a bug that depends on another? |
| 18:40 |
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jcamins |
If you want it to go in, yes. |
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cait |
what kind of bug fix? |
| 18:40 |
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mtompset |
C4::Items ... missing "use YAML qw/Load/;" |
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cait |
how does the problem show? |
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jcamins |
It should be require YAML. |
| 18:42 |
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jcamins |
Also that. |
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wahanui |
also that is a giant undertaking |
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mtompset |
Either works. I don't care. It just blows up triggering the "can't do the YAML::Load" code in the GetHiddenItems() when patching opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl |
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* druthb |
pokes wahanui with a pointy stick. |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack annoying plugin developers. |
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wahanui |
:) |
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mtompset |
druthb: Did they contact the janitors this time? ;) |
| 18:46 |
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druthb |
nope, but a search has determined that they have seven open tickets across our two ticketing systems, all on this issue, targetted at different groups. |
| 18:46 |
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druthb |
Three of which have been closed, all with the same answer. |
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cait |
it's a bad idea what you are trying to do there? |
| 18:48 |
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mtompset |
okay...OpacHiddenItems... |
| 18:48 |
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mtompset |
find an entry with some hidden and some not hidden items. |
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druthb |
They're trying to use someone else's login credentials. Wondering why they can't get them. |
| 18:48 |
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mtompset |
Look at OPAC view, MARC view, and ISBD view. |
| 18:49 |
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mtompset |
OPAC view respects OpacHiddenItems. |
| 18:49 |
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mtompset |
MARC view does not. |
| 18:50 |
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mtompset |
And I haven't even figured out wat ISBD view is supposed to be doing. |
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jcamins |
Display ISBD. :P |
| 18:50 |
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mtompset |
with respect to ITEMS. |
| 18:50 |
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mtompset |
Silly, jcamins. |
| 18:52 |
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oleonard |
ISBD's job is to sit there and say "Anyone want to use ISBD? ... Anyone? ..." |
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cait |
hm to clarify - that was my guess for the tickets druthb was talking about |
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cait |
and sounds like i got i almost right? :) |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "Seriously, does anyone use it?" |
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jcamins |
mtompset: apparently someone does. There was a message on the list about it recently. |
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jcamins |
I don't remember exactly when. |
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cait |
and regularly someone asks to print out result lists in isbd |
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mtompset |
But in the OPAC? |
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cait |
i had people complaining about incorrectness in the isbd view |
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cait |
i think some might copy it for use in academic papers/citing |
| 19:04 |
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oleonard |
Here's another case where the term "biblio" needs a better term: The new staff client search history feature separates search history items into two tabs, "biblio" and "authority" |
| 19:05 |
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oleonard |
"Delete your current biblio history" ... "Delete your current bibliographic search history?" instead? |
| 19:07 |
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tcohen |
why do i read "You must define a budget in Administration" if i already have? |
| 19:07 |
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jcamins |
Because you're logged in as the system user. |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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tcohen |
thx |
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oleonard |
Two search history tabs, "Bibliographic" and "Authority" ? Any opinions? |
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patron |
what's an authority? |
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tcohen |
heh |
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oleonard |
It's in the staff client gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: browse, maybe? |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: ah, sorry, missed that context |
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oleonard |
Bug 10862 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10862 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add an search history for the staff interface |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, in that case, bib/authority seems fine to me |
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tcohen |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: I'm trying to suggest something besides "biblio" as the term to use |
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gmcharlt |
catalog? |
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wahanui |
catalog is no longer broken |
| 19:17 |
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oleonard |
Is an authority search not a search of the catalog? |
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* oleonard_ |
takes the opposite position as oleonard, whatever that position is. |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
maybe catalog and authority? |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
lol, now i scrolled down.. :) |
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oleonard_ |
I don't know if oleonard's question is a valid one, but I for one think all his opinions are terrible. |
| 19:26 |
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oleonard |
That's right oleonard_, you run! |
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* cait |
fixes 2 tiny bugs and is happy |
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* cait |
switches to QA mode |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Do you have a vote? "Catalog" or "Bibliographic" ? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I prefer catalog. |
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oleonard |
Okay, that's a clear majority |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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rangi |
http://www.kiva.org/team/koha |
| 19:43 |
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rangi |
and morning |
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cait |
morning rangi |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.3°C (9:40 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn` |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
plus windy |
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druthb |
rangi: I'd love to see our Kiva team at 100 loans by the end of the year! Only 9 to go! |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
http://www.eifl.net/news/new-a[…]-public-libraries |
| 19:55 |
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rangi |
some of the koha users around the world should totally apply for this |
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rambutan |
EIFL seems to be a European organization/program? |
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jcamins |
rambutan: not really. |
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jcamins |
I mean, based in Europe, but they were working with Venezuela in 2007. |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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mtompset |
jcamins: I know you said require, but rangi said use yesterday. I put up the a line patch. It's a case of eyeballing, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how to trigger it with the current code. bug 10872 if anyone is interested in commenting on it. :) |
| 20:27 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::Items.pm has YAML::Load in GetHiddenItems but lacks use or require |
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jcamins |
mtompset: use will also work. I favor require because obviously it is used very infrequently. |
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mtompset |
Actually, opac-detail uses GetHiddenItems() regularly now, but I think other use statements load modules that end up using YAML. |
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cait |
mtompset: i hope it only uses it if there is actually something in the parameter? |
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mtompset |
I didn't optimize GetHiddenItems. |
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mtompset |
If that is what you are asking about. |
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cait |
hm. |
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mtompset |
There... added the optimization. |
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mtompset |
Tweaked the bug report. |
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cait |
@later tell magnuse http://www.stuff.co.nz/enterta[…]-best-music-video |
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huginn` |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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mtompset |
Saw that yesterday. |
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mtompset |
I like the song. What does the fox say? |
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tcohen |
bootstrap opac? |
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cait |
bootstrap? |
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wahanui |
an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309. |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
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tcohen |
thanks cait |
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tcohen |
mental note: ctrl-r service <enter> might not restart ther service you expect |
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mtompset |
Well, the long day is over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha. |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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cait |
hm sleep... interesting concept |
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cait |
good night :) |
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eythian |
http://uksg.metapress.com/cont[…]=f195g8ak0eu21muh <-- how meta! |
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wizzyrea |
right - kindly let me know in the future if the bootstrap responsive demo gets stuck in maintenance mode ;) |
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wizzyrea |
golly that's purty |
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wizzyrea |
it shouldn't though - I just fixed my script. But do @later me if you find it busted. |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: you'll be glad to know that Shari has been converted to a dyed-in-wool Whovian. |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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jcamins |
Plantains, potatoes, and rosemary or sage. How should I combine them? |
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jcamins |
I'm thinking sauteeing will work well. |
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jcamins |
And leaning towards using the rosemary rather than the sage. |
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jcamins |
Oooh. |
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jcamins |
Plantain bruschetta. |
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tcohen |
never used salvia |
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jcamins |
It's good. |
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jcamins |
It adds body to soups. |
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eythian |
also, involuntary vision quests if you get the wrong one |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
is there any difference between texlive 2012 and 2013? (besides the version number heh) |
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jcamins |
tcohen: directories have been reorganized. |
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