| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
wizzyrea |
I'm waiting on specifics |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, could be |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
I think RDA might get rid of the "rule of three" for authors |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Where cataloguers are supposed to only add up to three additional authors in the 7xx fields |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
If you do get specifics, it would be great if you could record them somewhere |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
As far as I can tell, the average person needs to pay for specifics |
| 00:01 |
|
* dcook |
looks at the rdatoolkit pricetag and all the RDA workshop ads. |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
only record them if the license allows |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
rangi: I've wondered about that |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
I can understand not cutting and pasting from licensed documents |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
However, what about summaries? |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
nope |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
Licensor hereby grants to Licensee a non |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
- |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
exclusive, non |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
- |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
transferable, non |
| 00:03 |
|
dcook |
How do people get away with posting AACR2 guidelines at universities? |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
- |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
assignable license to access materials include |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
d in |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
RDA Toolkit |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
under the terms and conditions set forth herein. |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
Each |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
separate Site requires its own RDA Toolkit |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
license regardless of subscription mechanism. |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
they break their license agreement |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
or, it doesnt have one as draconian as the rda toolkit |
| 00:03 |
|
dcook |
Could be |
| 00:04 |
|
dcook |
Oh law... |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
Neither Licensee nor Authorized Users acquire ownership rights to the RDA Toolkit. |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
The RDA Toolkit may not be |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
resold or transferred. |
| 00:04 |
|
dcook |
But people can say "we need this" or "we need that" |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
you lease it |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
you dont buy a copy |
| 00:04 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/1[…]rom-aacr2-to-rda/ |
| 00:04 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I've used the RDA toolkit a few times and looked at their pricing/user info |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
True enough. Lots of info out there already. |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
Actually, I posted a link to the rdatoolkit where they gave away some info.. |
| 00:06 |
|
dcook |
http://access.rdatoolkit.org/d[…]nt.php?id=jscmap1 |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, that's not a half-bad blog post |
| 00:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
that site isn't bad generally |
| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/1[…]d-carrier-fields/ |
| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
"These fields are not display fields." |
| 00:11 |
|
dcook |
LoC displays them and I had a library wanting them displayed though |
| 00:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
heh |
| 00:12 |
|
rangi |
its a clustefuck |
| 00:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea exactly |
| 00:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
what he said. |
| 00:12 |
|
rangi |
piling more crap on top of crap |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
Although personally...they probably would be better used as replacements for fixed field data (since a lot of people don't use the fixed fields as the spec says they should) |
| 00:12 |
|
rangi |
and wasting everyones time and money |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
rangi: Pretty much |
| 00:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
These fields are not display fields. Sirsi (or LMxAC) will have to design a way for the information contained in the 336-338 fields to map to a display in the OPAC. |
| 00:13 |
|
rangi |
good luck with that |
| 00:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
that kind of only works if you are super consistent? |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
Which isn't likely to work with free text fields |
| 00:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea naw. |
| 00:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
stupid. stupid. stupid. |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
Which is why they had fixed value fields...except people couldn't figure out the codes |
| 00:13 |
|
rangi |
lemme just build a natural language parser into my opac |
| 00:14 |
|
* wizzyrea |
sighs. |
| 00:14 |
|
* wizzyrea |
sighs a lot |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
Poor wizzyrea |
| 00:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
meh, not poor me |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
I've had those same sighs |
| 00:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
iti's just so head shakingly bad. |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
No one is really offering a viable alternative though |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
At least, not yet. |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, even if we don't have MARC, we still have RDA |
| 00:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
I know right! |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Either RDA/AACR2/ISBD or no standard |
| 00:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
whoever did this blog, which I suspect we should archive RIGHT NOW |
| 00:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
talks about that |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
Yeah? |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
I noticed the part where they said RDA wasn't designed with MARC in mind |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
Which...I suppose is a blessing and a curse |
| 00:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
(because I suspect that if they knew the info was available, they would make him/her take it down) |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
(Probably) |
| 00:18 |
|
* wizzyrea |
wonders what storage medium they had in mind - xml maybe? |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
I'm not sure they thought that far ahead necessarily |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
They probably only thought about it from a bibliographic angle |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
Which...yeah...blessing and a curse |
| 00:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
anyway - there's clearly work to be done there |
| 00:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
to cope with RDA records |
| 00:19 |
|
dcook |
Well... |
| 00:20 |
|
dcook |
To be honest, a lot of RDA seems to do with description rather than encoding |
| 00:20 |
|
dcook |
Like the rule of three bit and the elimination of standard abbreviations |
| 00:20 |
|
dcook |
Which doesn't really matter in our cases |
| 00:20 |
|
dcook |
If I'm not mistaken, the XSLTs already handle limitless 7xx fields for authors, I think |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
I could submit a patch at some point for the 336, 337, 338, and 264 |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
Other than that...a lot of it is frameworks/slight mods of the subfield selects in the XSLTs |
| 00:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
^ work |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
to be done |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
Touché |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
That's not much work though. I did the extra fields pretty quickly. |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
The subfield selects...those will probably come up |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
I suppose the requirement gathering is where the real work is |
| 00:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
right lunch |
| 00:23 |
|
dcook |
I was rambling to someone about this recently. As a Koha developer, is our job to give people what they want or to push ahead and try to give them what might be good? |
| 00:23 |
|
dcook |
Maybe both.. |
| 00:23 |
|
wahanui |
maybe both are related |
| 00:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
dcook: to answer your question, yes |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
Makes sense |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
I suppose I wish that more library world people were involved in trying to push ahead as well |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, it's tough breaking out of 50+ years of tradition |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
Well, maybe 40+ |
| 00:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
maybe 100+, not all of it bad :) |
| 00:32 |
|
dcook |
Certainly not all of it bad :) |
| 00:32 |
|
dcook |
Libraries are great (even if they charge you a 1.80 fee for reserves...*grumbles*) |
| 00:33 |
|
dcook |
I suppose it's hard to start fresh when the data isn't fresh. |
| 00:33 |
|
dcook |
And any attempt to migrate that data while preserving all that data will almost necessarily involve copying across some of its not so great conventions as well... |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
Baby steps I guess |
| 00:36 |
|
dcook |
Without a doubt, I'm glad to be working on Koha where these things are possible :) |
| 00:51 |
|
dcook |
ie-- |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:15 |
|
druthb |
o/ |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
\o |
| 01:20 |
|
bag |
heya druthb and dcook |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
hey bag |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
Haven't seen you around in a while |
| 01:21 |
|
bag |
been busy - and this week - no daycare so I'm with Ginny all week :) :D |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
Yay for time with Ginny :) |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
When I have a sprog, I hope I get to have hometime with them. |
| 01:22 |
|
bag |
it's the best! |
| 01:23 |
|
bag |
well with a happy happy girl like Ginny! she makes me laugh and is always happy! |
| 01:23 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 01:24 |
|
dcook |
\o/ |
| 01:24 |
|
* mtj |
waves to druthb, dcook and bag |
| 01:24 |
|
dcook |
hey ya mtj :) |
| 01:24 |
|
bag |
hey Mason! |
| 01:25 |
|
mtj |
hi! hi! |
| 01:25 |
|
* druthb |
waves to mtj |
| 01:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
sprog hehe |
| 01:32 |
|
bag |
heya wizzyrea |
| 01:32 |
|
wahanui |
wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 01:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
whaddup |
| 01:36 |
|
dcook |
@karma ie7 |
| 01:36 |
|
huginn` |
dcook: Karma for "ie7" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 01:36 |
|
dcook |
ie7-- |
| 01:36 |
|
dcook |
Don't like media queries, eh? Jerk... |
| 01:37 |
|
mtj |
let the selecting of hunks commence! |
| 01:38 |
|
* wizzyrea |
has already done her selecting ;) |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea has all the hunks and sprogs |
| 01:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
*A* hunk and *A* sprog. :P |
| 01:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 01:39 |
|
dcook |
Well, if you want to be accurate :p |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
I think...I might be stumped. IE7 doesn't seem to embrace media queries in the @import rule. |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
Short of using IE specific comments in the HTML, I don't see a way around this.. |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
When I say doesn't embrace, IE7 doesn't import the stylesheet if there is a media query attached to the rule. |
| 01:48 |
|
* dcook |
sighs |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
Perhaps that's a "cross that bridge" when it comes to it.. |
| 02:15 |
|
druthb |
hrm. |
| 02:15 |
|
* druthb |
grumps. |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
:( |
| 02:19 |
|
druthb |
Set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow", but still can't add a 700 on a UNIMARC. Still locked out. |
| 02:20 |
|
dcook |
Did you clear your cache? |
| 02:20 |
|
druthb |
'sec. lemme try that. |
| 02:20 |
|
dcook |
I've had that happen quite a few times and it ended up being caching |
| 02:22 |
|
jcamins |
druthb: why are you using UNIMARC? |
| 02:23 |
|
druthb |
dcook: Wasn't that. nuts. |
| 02:23 |
|
dcook |
Damn :/ |
| 02:23 |
|
druthb |
jcamins: Signing off a patch. |
| 02:23 |
|
dcook |
druthb++ |
| 02:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
the framework is properly configured? |
| 02:24 |
|
druthb |
Unsure, wizzyrea; this is from M. Saby's test DB. |
| 02:24 |
|
jcamins |
druthb++ |
| 02:26 |
|
jcamins |
*Now* I understand: http://geek-and-poke.com/geeka[…]/20/naming-is-key |
| 02:32 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:34 |
|
rangi |
aarrrrrgggh |
| 02:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
? |
| 02:34 |
|
rangi |
i accidentally read a mail |
| 02:34 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 02:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
hate it when that happens! |
| 02:37 |
|
* druthb |
grumps s'more. |
| 02:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
druthb is making s'mores! great! |
| 02:39 |
|
* druthb |
melts a UNIMARC record... |
| 02:42 |
|
* druthb |
sets this patch aside for now, in frustration. |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
poor rangi :( |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
:( |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
That second one was for druthb |
| 02:46 |
|
* druthb |
waves, and goes to do something else for a bit. |
| 03:36 |
|
* dcook |
tries to remember which sub allows you to get an authorized value's description.. |
| 03:36 |
|
dcook |
C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc looks about right... |
| 04:03 |
|
dcook |
Whoever designed C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc is awesome. |
| 04:03 |
|
dcook |
I so want to give them a highfive |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
Or rather the lines near the bottom |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
@karma hdl |
| 04:04 |
|
huginn` |
dcook: Karma for "hdl" has been increased 69 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 68. |
| 04:04 |
|
dcook |
hdl++ |
| 04:10 |
|
dcook |
Ah, perhaps I spoke too soon for all the praise... |
| 04:44 |
|
cjh |
awesome http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-well-pretty-much |
| 05:05 |
|
dcook |
What web browsers do people use on Linux? |
| 05:05 |
|
dcook |
The default options seem rather horrible |
| 05:07 |
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| 05:35 |
|
dcook |
Hey ya cait |
| 05:35 |
|
* dcook |
should go eat lunch... |
| 05:35 |
|
cait |
probably :) |
| 05:35 |
|
cait |
isn't it late for lunch? |
| 05:38 |
|
dcook |
Pretty late |
| 05:44 |
|
dcook |
I wasn't feeling hungry before though.. |
| 05:47 |
|
cait |
hm it started when i came online? |
| 05:47 |
|
* cait |
hands you a cookie |
| 06:05 |
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| 06:20 |
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dcook |
Cookie! |
| 06:20 |
|
dcook |
Apparently I'm a bit slow |
| 06:20 |
|
dcook |
http://dl2sl.org/ looks kind of neat... |
| 06:24 |
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| 06:25 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:31 |
|
dcook |
Hey ya magnuse |
| 06:31 |
|
dcook |
papa++ |
| 06:31 |
|
papa |
hi there |
| 06:33 |
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magnuse |
hiya dcook and papa |
| 06:37 |
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| 06:37 |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
| 06:38 |
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magnuse |
moin drojf |
| 06:39 |
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drojf |
hei magnuse |
| 06:40 |
|
dcook |
hey ya drojf |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
hi papa, magnuse and drojf! |
| 06:41 |
|
magnuse |
guten morgen cait |
| 06:42 |
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drojf |
hi dcook and cait |
| 06:43 |
|
* dcook |
tries to remember when daylight savings time is around the world |
| 06:44 |
|
dcook |
I keep thinking there's a time when you folks show up earlier than just before I'm supposed to leave :p |
| 06:44 |
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cait |
hm takes a bit longer i think |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
bbl |
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| 06:47 |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 06:47 |
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wahanui |
niihau, gaetan_B |
| 06:47 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:48 |
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magnuse |
dcook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]g_time_by_country |
| 06:48 |
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magnuse |
bonjour reiveune et gaetan_B |
| 06:48 |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
| 06:48 |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 |
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magnuse |
@wunder konstanz |
| 06:48 |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.0°C (8:45 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 |
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magnuse |
@wunder sydney |
| 06:48 |
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huginn` |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:49 |
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magnuse |
@wunder sydney, australia |
| 06:49 |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (4:30 PM EST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:49 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 06:49 |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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dcook |
salut gaetan_B, reiveune |
| 06:49 |
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reiveune |
hi magnuse, dcook :) |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
Hmm, chilly again today.. |
| 06:49 |
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magnuse |
ooh, *parts* of australia has daylight savings time? |
| 06:50 |
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magnuse |
awesome! |
| 06:50 |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse |
| 06:50 |
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magnuse |
ouch |
| 06:50 |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
| 06:50 |
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huginn` |
drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.3°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
That's the same back in Canada |
| 06:50 |
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gaetan_B |
hi magnuse, dcook |
| 06:50 |
|
dcook |
I grew up in Saskatchewan where we don't have daylight savings time |
| 06:50 |
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gaetan_B |
nihau wahanui |
| 06:50 |
|
dcook |
I've only encountered it...5 times in my life really |
| 06:50 |
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magnuse |
heh |
| 06:50 |
|
dcook |
Made me late for coffee with someone once :p |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
Well, actually, she knew that I'd be late because I would forget about the time change |
| 06:50 |
|
dcook |
We actually wound up at different coffee shops with the same name |
| 06:51 |
|
dcook |
Which actually were only 9 blocks away from each other... |
| 06:52 |
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| 06:52 |
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alex_a |
hello |
| 06:52 |
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wahanui |
salut, alex_a |
| 06:52 |
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dcook |
bonjour alex_a |
| 06:53 |
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alex_a |
salut dcook |
| 06:53 |
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dcook |
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around this concept.. |
| 06:53 |
|
dcook |
So in October... |
| 06:54 |
|
dcook |
It will be 7:55am rather than 8:55am in Germany? |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Or 9:55am? |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
Aha, diagrams.. |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
7:55am |
| 06:57 |
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dcook |
So I'll still see cait but no one else :o |
| 06:57 |
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magnuse |
me? |
| 06:57 |
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wahanui |
you are, like, afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza |
| 06:57 |
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dcook |
lol |
| 07:02 |
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magnuse |
next gbsd? |
| 07:02 |
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wahanui |
i think next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 07:02 |
|
magnuse |
gbsd? |
| 07:02 |
|
wahanui |
gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 07:03 |
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magnuse |
dcook++ papa++ cait++ for doing signoffs |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
I did a sign off? |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
That doesn't sound right |
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* dcook |
tries to remember |
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papa |
maybe this is an incentive.. |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
Ahh...I see |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
It wasn't legitimate |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
It was me changing a bug back to signed off from failed qa |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
For my own bug...:/ |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
papa: Almost certainly. If only I weren't so swamped :S. |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
I'm already staying late at work.. |
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magnuse |
ah, i better be more careful with my ++s next time ;-) |
| 07:09 |
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dcook |
Well...the public library is open until 8...maybe I can get in an actual test once I finish up this report I'm writing.. |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
Oh...I think I've nearly got it.. |
| 07:12 |
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dcook |
group_concat using a newline separator so that the SQL report can show multiple values for the patron :D |
| 07:16 |
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dcook |
Not very useful in the web view but handy when you download as CSV.. |
| 07:26 |
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rangi |
fly spaghetti monster save us from people helping with bad advice about cron |
| 07:27 |
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rangi |
our starting their own wiki with old instructions |
| 07:27 |
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rangi |
i assume they mean well .. but not actually helping |
| 07:27 |
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dcook |
^^ all comments |
| 07:27 |
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dcook |
Those! |
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cjh |
amen. |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
I have a blog where I occasionally talk about my adventures with Koha but I think I've tried my best to not actually reference anything specific |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
I should probably go back and check some time though.. |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
I think people do think they're helping but such a bad idea |
| 07:29 |
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dcook |
mtompset++ |
| 07:29 |
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dcook |
Improving the wiki instructions seems like the way to go |
| 07:33 |
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dcook |
Ooo, bugs to sign off.. |
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matts |
hi ! |
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dcook |
hey ya matts |
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dcook |
There we go, magnuse. An actual sign off :p |
| 07:41 |
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rangi |
gah |
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dcook |
gah? |
| 07:41 |
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rangi |
that wiki is so wrong |
| 07:41 |
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rangi |
they set up the package source |
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rangi |
http://wiki.lib.sun.ac.za/inde[…]Install_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_server_software_on_a_bare_metal_or_virtual_machine. |
| 07:41 |
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rangi |
then go on and do the tarball .. wtf |
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magnuse |
oh noes... |
| 07:42 |
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dcook |
What the.. |
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wahanui |
the is probably a stop word |
| 07:42 |
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dcook |
Indeed, wahanui. Indeed. |
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magnuse |
dcook++ for the actual signoff |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
Thanks :) |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
I'll look at doing another. |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
I want to pick up the rest of Akira but the library doesn't close for a while.. |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
have you seen the kurosawa movie of the same name? |
| 07:44 |
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dcook |
The method of installation and setup described below is called the "original tarball" installation method. Do not confuse it with any other installation method. |
| 07:44 |
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dcook |
*facepalm* |
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* dcook |
facepalm |
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wahanui |
facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
rangi: Yep, although it's been a couple years. |
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dcook |
Seems pretty different from what I can tell so far |
| 07:45 |
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dcook |
Although apparently Otomo also did the script for the movie I think.. |
| 07:45 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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dcook |
Wait... |
| 07:46 |
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dcook |
I don't think Kurosawa was on the film |
| 07:46 |
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dcook |
I think Otomo did the whole thing himself |
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rangi |
you might be right |
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rangi |
confusing it with ikiru |
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dcook |
I've never seen Ikiru.. |
| 07:47 |
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dcook |
Actually, Seven Samurai might be the only one I've seen of his |
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rangi |
oh you are missing out |
| 07:48 |
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dcook |
I might have The Hidden Fortress somewhere though. Keep meaning to watch that.. |
| 07:48 |
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rangi |
yojimbo is great |
| 07:48 |
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rangi |
as is sanshiro sugata |
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* cjh |
hasnt seen any of those |
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dcook |
I'll have to check them out sometime :) |
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dcook |
cjh: They're pretty classic |
| 07:51 |
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dcook |
Mind you, Seven Samurai is nearly 4 hours long.. |
| 07:51 |
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dcook |
So you have to be willing to sit for a while |
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dcook |
Admittedly, I watched it in stages :p |
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rangi |
that was his homage to spaghetti westerns |
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rangi |
theny they went and made the magnificent seven, which was a homage to seven samurai |
| 07:52 |
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rangi |
full circle |
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cjh |
heh |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
I knew Magnificient Seven was a homage to Seven Samurai but I didn't know that Seven Samurai was itself an homage to spaghetti westerns as well. Sweet. |
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* kf |
waves |
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dcook |
hey ya kf :) |
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* cjh |
takes notes |
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rangi |
hi kf |
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rangi |
when i had fatso.co.nz i went through a phase where i watched all of the kurosawa movies |
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cjh |
:o that may be the reason to get fatso that I have been looking for. |
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dcook |
Interesting. I'd never heard of the site before. Good ol' NZ |
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rangi |
quickflix.co.nz only has one |
| 07:57 |
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dcook |
I think I got both Kurosawa films from the library back home :) |
| 07:57 |
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dcook |
Still disappointed about the libraries here charing for reservations.. |
| 07:57 |
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dcook |
Mind you, I only have two branches at mind so I guess that's not a huge problem.. |
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rangi |
http://www.fatso.co.nz/Search/[…]ira_Kurosawa/8113 |
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dcook |
I wonder if that will/has come up with Koha |
| 07:57 |
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rangi |
yep |
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cjh |
I have been thinking of signing up to fatso for scifis, an '50s, '60s and '70s japanese movie education might just tip me over the edge. |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
may as well do the free trial |
| 07:58 |
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dcook |
hehe |
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* cjh |
is currently watching all the bond films |
| 07:58 |
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rangi |
ran |
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cjh |
they are hilarious. |
| 07:58 |
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rangi |
that was great too |
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rangi |
kurosawa remakes king lear :) |
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drojf |
reminds me i still have not watched sátántangó. 7 hours of quiet hungarians in black and white. had to download it, never watched it. i should still have it somewhere |
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dcook |
Ooh. Ran does sound good.. |
| 08:01 |
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dcook |
Love me a good Shakespeare remake |
| 08:16 |
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rangi |
lots of KOHA today |
| 08:16 |
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dcook |
I seem to notice it more and more all the time :/ |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
i replied saying if the webinar can be delivered via free software, id be interested |
| 08:25 |
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dcook |
Not sure I've noticed that one |
| 08:26 |
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rangi |
ah on the main list, from eifl |
| 08:28 |
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dcook |
Mm, I'll take a look |
| 08:29 |
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dcook |
Hmm... |
| 08:30 |
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dcook |
Having troubles loading the email archive. Might be an issue on my end though.. |
| 08:30 |
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dcook |
Up now.. |
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rangi |
oh good grief |
| 08:40 |
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rangi |
im moved on from assuming they are wanting to help |
| 08:40 |
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rangi |
to assuming they are grandstanding now |
| 08:40 |
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kf |
grandstanding? |
| 08:40 |
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rangi |
latest email on the koha list |
| 08:41 |
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rangi |
kf: To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience. |
| 08:41 |
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rangi |
a new english bit of slang for you :) |
| 08:41 |
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kf |
thx :) |
| 08:42 |
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rangi |
now im doubly glad i replied to the eifl mail |
| 08:42 |
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dcook |
Perhaps this is the week of grandstanding :p |
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* dcook |
checks the archive |
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dcook |
Oh dear... |
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dcook |
Hmm..might not make it to the library now |
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dcook |
Tricksy magnuse getting me to stay uber late.. |
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magnuse |
moahahaha |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
Joubu++ :) |
| 09:08 |
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dcook |
Three legitimate ones to make up for my not so legitimate one :p |
| 09:11 |
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dcook |
Have a good day/night all. |
| 09:11 |
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dcook |
Public library time! |
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* dcook |
crosses his fingers that he gets there in time |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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oleonard |
Hideley-ho koharinos |
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* magnuse |
wonders what oleonard had for breakfast ;-) |
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oleonard |
I had a bowl full of angry condemnation of Internet Explorer 7. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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oleonard |
(re: Bug 10772) |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10772 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7 not loading reset-fonts-grids.css in staff client |
| 12:16 |
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oleonard |
Are there really people out there using Windows 2000 who can't upgrade to IE8? |
| 12:16 |
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oleonard |
Windows XP is so old Microsoft doesn't even support it anymore, and even that can run IE8. |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
Probably. |
| 12:17 |
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oleonard |
Who are these IE7 users and what the hell is wrong with them/their IT departments? |
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drojf |
windows 2000 was the last windows i had installed in a non-VM version. good times. i might consider using it again if koha works with IE7 :P |
| 12:25 |
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drojf |
actually win2k only had IE6 i think |
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* oleonard |
ought to see if we can fund Bug 6615 this year... |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page |
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druthb |
g'morning, #koha! |
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kf |
hi druthb |
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* druthb |
wriggles happily |
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oleonard |
Where did this empty pbr folder come from and why isn't it filled with cheap beer? |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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kf |
morning tcohen |
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magnuse |
is there a known limit to how many patrons can be imported at once with the "import patrons" tool? |
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kf |
hm not aknown one |
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kf |
but it can take a while |
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gmcharlt |
and too long (by default, 10 minutes), and the Apache backend process times out |
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tcohen |
@later tell eythian I need your advice for including a config file in case a suggested dependency is installed (bash-completion) |
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huginn` |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
tcohen: i think he is still on vacation |
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kf |
might take a bit until you hear back |
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tcohen |
thanks for telling kf |
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kf |
np |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]557ea371b42b124d0> / Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]40991bf8fa0e3b720> / Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report an |
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drojf |
tcohen kf eythian is still on vacation and really looking forward to hundreds of "@ later"s :P |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #60 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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oleonard |
eythian should have set up a vacation @later autoresponder |
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drojf |
heh |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1380 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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drojf |
wahanui: @later tell eythian is <eythian> i am out of office right now. thank you for leaving a message. if i do not get back to you within one hour, please leave me another message. |
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wahanui |
drojf: de rien |
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tcohen |
hehe |
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drojf |
omg, i made filemaker do an sql query. i feel like a mad scientist doing frankenstein-y things. |
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drojf |
filemaker-- |
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druthb |
mad_scientists++ |
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druthb |
drojf++ # I am so stealing "frankenstein-y". |
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reiveune |
bye |
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drojf |
druthb: i'm going to allow this :) |
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kf |
:) |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e6ddd6e22a151d6bf> |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #60: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/60/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #61 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #61: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/61/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1380: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1380/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1381 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 23 hr ago) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
How do I delete dangling blobs? |
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* druthb |
waves to mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. :) |
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mtompset |
So any ideas on how to reset a git repo without a full reclone? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: for dangling blobs I generally recommend seeing a specialist. |
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jcamins |
But, A) why are you trying to do this, and B) git gc. |
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mtompset |
because a series of git am's and git bz's (ordering and attempts all lost) have created a git mess. |
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jcamins |
In what way? |
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mtompset |
I now have dangling blobs. |
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mtompset |
I have files in a branch that I wasn't expecting. |
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mtompset |
I have files with contents that are in another branch. |
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* drojf |
recommends fire |
| 16:25 |
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mtompset |
I just want to reset without a full reclone. |
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mtompset |
downloading is a pain! |
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jcamins |
So you are saying that you accidentally added commits to the wrong branch? |
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mtompset |
I may have and not noticed until now, but it seems strange that a 'git diff origin/master' didn't pop out these difference. |
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jcamins |
And are you sure they are actually on your branch? |
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jcamins |
How do you know you have dangling blobs? Did you get an error message? |
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mtompset |
git fsck |
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mtompset |
nevermind... I'm taking the pain AGAIN. |
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kf |
mtompset: not sure it's necessary |
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jcamins |
Dangling blobs are not a problem. |
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kf |
but without telling us what the problem is a bit better it's hard to tell :) |
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kf |
it's really hard to break git actually |
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jcamins |
I managed once. |
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jcamins |
Catastrophic disk failure FTW. |
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kf |
that doesn't count really, does it? |
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jcamins |
However, since mtompset did not say "how do I recover data from a disk that has suffered a catastrophic failure and corrupted 90% of my files?" I suppose that's not the problem we're dealing with. |
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jcamins |
kf: well... git was unhappy. |
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mtompset |
No, that wasn't the problem. |
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mtompset |
I don't know how but my one branch tracking origin/master had edits in it, but 'git diff origin/master' wasn't showing differences. |
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liw |
I broke git today, by having my laptop crash |
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jcamins |
mtompset: just as a thing-for-next-time, did you check to see that the files that were actuall committed? |
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jcamins |
*that were changed were actually |
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mtompset |
They were. |
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jcamins |
Interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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mtompset |
I really need to keep track of what I am doing, so I don't keep doing this. |
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jcamins |
I have three screens full of dangling blobs. |
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mtompset |
I was trying to apply that bug you mentioned yesterday, jcamins. But was having difficulty. |
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jcamins |
In case you were wondering. |
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mtompset |
There has to be a nice way to remove dangling blobs/trees. |
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jcamins |
Yes, I told you. git gc. But that's not your problem. |
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mtompset |
git gc didn't remove them. |
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jcamins |
You have to look in the documentation to find the correct argument to forcibly remove them. |
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jcamins |
git tries to save you from doing something you'll regret like forcibly deleting possibly-useful data. |
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mtompset |
Yes, I discovered that. |
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kf |
bye all :) |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f26751db09cf90231> |
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Starting build #62 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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tcohen |
@later tell kf I think it is, because bgkriegel is not available till past-release time |
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huginn` |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #62: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/62/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1381: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1381/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1382 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 1 day 0 hr ago) |
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* magnuse |
pokes his head in again |
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* druthb |
waves to magnuse |
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* magnuse |
waves to druthb |
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magnuse |
kia ora NateC! |
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magnuse |
um, is it really necessary that "Import patrons" says "Parsing upload file test.csv" for each and every line in the imported file? |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn` |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
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magnuse |
humidity-induced ouch! |
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mtompset |
Greetings again, #koha. |
| 17:58 |
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mtompset |
Got to love wireless issues. |
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mtompset |
Okay, so, I'd like to play with the bug that you mentioned yesterday, jcamins, but it says it is against 3.14, but there is no such tag, so I tried master, but it conflicts like crazy. So, how could it be signed off? |
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jcamins |
It's against master. |
| 18:00 |
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jcamins |
Get someone to rebase it. |
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* jcamins |
didn't write it, and last looked at it ages and ages ago. |
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mtompset |
or suffer the pain of rebasing it myself? |
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oleonard |
Which bug? |
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mtompset |
(if you want something done quickly, yourself is usually better) |
| 18:01 |
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mtompset |
bug 6874 |
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wahanui |
bug 6874 is, like, epic |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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cait |
DND? :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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oleonard |
DND is Do Not Disturb |
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oleonard |
DND is also Dungeons 'n' Dragons |
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wahanui |
okay, oleonard. |
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cait |
i was thinking about the second one :) |
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cait |
hey drojf |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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druthb |
cait! drojf! |
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drojf |
druthb! |
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cait |
druthb! |
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drojf |
lol |
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cait |
hehe |
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druthb |
:D |
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* druthb |
shares cookies, and fruit-and-nut bars. |
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drojf |
cookies! |
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wahanui |
Cookies are delicious delicacies |
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cait |
cookies :) |
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oleonard |
Hi Lee_in_Butte! |
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Lee_in_Butte |
hey there |
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Lee_in_Butte |
just checking to be sure this irc link still works....on my end. I wanna catch the meeting today |
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oleonard |
meeting? |
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mtompset |
Meeting? |
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mtompset |
You owe me a coke. ;) |
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oleonard |
Didn't say jinx! Jinx! |
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oleonard |
You owe *me* a coke! |
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mtompset |
What?! That's not the rules. |
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Lee_in_Butte |
LOL sorry its on the 28th |
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Lee_in_Butte |
not the 21 |
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Lee_in_Butte |
duh |
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oleonard |
It's okay Lee_in_Butte, just hang out til then. |
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mtompset |
Still good to know the IRC link is working. :) |
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* magnuse |
waves to Lee_in_Butte |
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Lee_in_Butte |
yeah... nothing else I rather do than hang with you O |
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jcamins |
There's a meeting on the 28th? |
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oleonard |
KohaCon meeting jcamins |
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Lee_in_Butte |
There will be an IRC meeting on Wednesday August 28 to update everyone on the KohaCon 13 progress. Meeting time is 18 UTC. |
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pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this good code? Why not use GetMarcFromKohaField in C4::Biblio?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/179 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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Lee_in_Butte |
posted on the listserv by nancy Keener |
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jcamins |
mtompset: at a guess because it doesn't map to a Koha field. |
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magnuse |
Lee_in_Butte: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]a-while-pops-back |
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mtompset |
So, the 856$u field gets put into the MARCXML field or something? |
| 18:37 |
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jcamins |
That is true of most fields, so, based on that snippet, I'm speculating that is true of the 856$u too, yes. |
| 18:37 |
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mtompset |
okay. Then I guess hard coding is the way to do it. :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1382: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1382/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1383 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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magnuse |
confetti! |
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wahanui |
confetti is, like, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
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magnuse |
@confetti! |
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huginn` |
magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
i have heard there is gbsd this friday? :) |
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cait |
confetti! |
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wahanui |
confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
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jcamins |
My new favorite LCSH classification: "general special." |
| 19:06 |
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jcamins |
Rather, LC classification. |
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jcamins |
Because real people will *totally* understand that. |
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drojf |
confetti? |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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drojf |
more confetti? |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
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drojf |
@later tell eythian test |
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huginn` |
drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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drojf |
unfair |
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drojf |
bad wahanui, no cookie |
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mtompset |
general special?! Isn't that like saying stupid smart? |
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mtompset |
Or flying purple people eater without punctuation? |
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jcamins |
No, more like stupid stupid. |
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jcamins |
Ba dum pssshhh. |
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jcamins |
:P |
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* cait |
wonders where to put a page for a qa team irc meeting in the wiki |
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drojf |
"QA_IRC_meeting_<date>" as opposed to "General_IRC_meeting_<date>"? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
mediawiki still puzzles me |
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drojf |
because it is too easy to use? :) |
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jcamins |
drojf: are we talking about the same wiki? |
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drojf |
is it not? maybe i did not try the fun stuff |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen cait drojf. |
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cait |
hi mtompset |
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cait |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_22_August_2013 |
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oleonard |
So what if I redesigned the OPAC place hold screen? Rough: http://www.screencast.com/t/8w3MrwoYGKHp |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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cait |
hm placing holds for multiple items from the result list? |
| 19:25 |
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mtompset |
Is there a before shot? |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: looks OK, but the checkboxes seem to be free-floating; I think they should preceed the title |
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* mtompset |
nods in agreement with gmcharlt. |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Sure, I just wanted to float the general idea |
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cait |
oleonard: i wonde about the edit notes link a bit |
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jcamins |
I like the idea, but I think the Edit notes link might be confusing. |
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oleonard |
Okay, but the VERY GENERAL IDEA people are okay with? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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oleonard |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
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nitpicker |
but... but... but... |
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mtompset |
cait? Is it a yes or no? |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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mtompset |
one more yes and he goes to hollywood. ;) |
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cait |
oleonard: i am undecided :( |
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cait |
i have no idea how it looks now actually |
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mtompset |
I did ask about a before shot. ;) |
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oleonard |
Geez don't you guys ever place holds from the OPAC? :P |
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mtompset |
Nope. :P |
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oleonard |
http://www.screencast.com/t/t7jeyWMOxi |
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cait |
only from one record |
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cait |
after the other |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... you lost the title "Place on" related to the radio buttons. |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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tcohen |
heading home to do some rmaint tasks |
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cait |
oleonard: i think i like yours better :) |
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oleonard |
Okay, I will keep tinkering with it... tomorrow. |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
with a bit more styling :) |
| 19:32 |
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oleonard |
Now I will leave. |
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mtompset |
Bye, tcohen. |
| 19:32 |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
| 19:33 |
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mtompset |
I think your rough draft is an impro--vement. |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ # being an awesome German translator! |
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maximep |
man, http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/ is the best thing ever -_- |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1383: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1383/ |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.6°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
nice and pleasant in Germany! |
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cait |
heh |
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druthb |
@wunder 77063 |
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cait |
you mean not super hot? |
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huginn` |
druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 34.7°C (3:05 PM CDT on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
morning |
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* cait |
suggests that all koha people move to Konstanz |
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cait |
morning rangi :) |
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druthb |
suits me, cait. |
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rangi |
are there any RDA proponents there? |
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rangi |
cos they are still arguing with me on twitter |
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druthb |
lol |
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druthb |
wahanui: RDA? |
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* wahanui |
huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing |
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druthb |
lol |
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jcamins |
rangi: really? |
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wahanui |
really is off now |
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rangi |
yup |
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jcamins |
Who argues that RDA isn't crap? |
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rangi |
https://twitter.com/DebsLunch/[…]70234771286147073 |
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jcamins |
Unless you're arguing that, in which case, OH MY GOD SOMEONE KIDNAPPED RANGI AND REPLACED HIM WITH AN ALIEN! |
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druthb |
lulz |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack RDA proponents. |
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wahanui |
thanks druthb :) |
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rangi |
i understand RDA could potentially be good ... im just saying that at the moment it isnt :) |
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rangi |
but i seem unabel to make that point |
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drojf |
and good morning rdangi ;) |
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rangi |
right time to go to school |
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mtompset |
3.4? |
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wahanui |
3.4 is, like, Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011 |
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wizzyrea |
rangi++ for fighting the good fight with librarians re: RDA |
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cait |
doens't he always? :) |
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wizzyrea |
mtompsett++ |
| 20:36 |
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wizzyrea |
for good advice on the mailing list |
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drojf |
mtompset++ |
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wizzyrea |
mtompset++ even |
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mtompset |
I didn't spend hours on end to write bad instructions, only to have someone confuse the masses. :) |
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mtompset |
plus, my tarball instructions are better, but I didn't link to them. ;) |
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drojf |
"webapp" is a funny word for an ILS |
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wizzyrea |
...perhaps we should use them in install.ubuntu or install.debian instead of what's there? |
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wizzyrea |
just sayin. |
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mtompset |
We have an earlier variation of my tarball instructions in the install.ubuntu type files. |
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mtompset |
I'm hoping to generalize to "source based install". |
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mtompset |
and then clean up the excessive ubuntu install instruction files. |
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wizzyrea |
mmm yea wouldn't generalise |
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mtompset |
but I haven't gotten to it yet. |
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wizzyrea |
often that gets really confusing for people. |
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mtompset |
wizzyrea: You are in the minority opinion on that. |
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wizzyrea |
it's not confusing for people who know what they're doing already |
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mtompset |
I understand where you are coming from, and would love a INSTALL.ubuntu.git and INSTALL.ubuntu.tar, but the fact is, it isn't about the tar or git... it is about the dev, standard, or single. |
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mtompset |
you can do a standard install from a git directory. |
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mtompset |
you can do a dev install from a tarball. |
| 20:42 |
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wizzyrea |
right - just don't generalise away from distro specific instructions. |
| 20:42 |
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wizzyrea |
you said generalise and I heard "instructions for everybody in one monolith" |
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mtompset |
oh no... it would be ubuntu specific. |
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mtompset |
I would generalize away the git vs. tarball. |
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gmcharlt |
reorganize so that we have INSTALL & INSTALL.special, perhaps? |
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wizzyrea |
speaking of trivial changes, I promised a humans. txt |
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cait |
humans.txt? |
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jcamins |
Speaking of humans.txt, Myshkin feels discriminated against. |
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wizzyrea |
kek. |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt: INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single}? |
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wizzyrea |
when myshkin submits a patch, I'll add felines.txt |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
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ibeardslee |
humans.txt = "Ask a non-human sysadmin to read the INSTALL.TXT" ? |
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wizzyrea |
no |
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* mtompset |
is going to pick up his son from daycare. |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: too much, IMO -- at least at the top level |
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* jcamins |
thinks that single should probably be abolished. |
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gmcharlt |
why I'm spitballing is having the top-level install docs be few(er) in number, and focus on the most common, recommended scenarios |
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wizzyrea |
^^^ |
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jcamins |
The argument for it was that "it'll work on shared hosting," but that is absolutely not the case anymore. |
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tcohen |
lets make standard == packages |
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jcamins |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
and relegate some of the more obscure scenarios down in docs/ |
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wizzyrea |
so much this. |
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wizzyrea |
ibeardslee: http://humanstxt.org/ |
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tcohen |
i forgot my own work on putting memcache stuff in apache conf :/ |
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ibeardslee |
wizzyrea: ahh .. good idea |
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wizzyrea |
we already have a history file, I think, why not use that for humans.txt? |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
that way every koha has one ;) |
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gmcharlt |
http://opac.zadi.librarypolice.com/feline.txt |
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wizzyrea |
haha |
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jcamins |
lol |
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cait |
lol |
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* cait |
sends greetings to myshkin |
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cait |
jcamins: are you still visiting the blue cat? |
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jcamins |
cait: not recently. |
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cait |
ooh |
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tcohen |
smurf cat? |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 20:53 |
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jcamins |
No, this cat was just blue. |
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tcohen |
that's possimpible |
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| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
I have 5 tomatoes, 3 cucumbers, 2 tiny bulbs of fennel, and 2 green peppers. |
| 21:13 |
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jcamins |
What should we have for dinner? |
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wizzyrea |
mediterranean salad |
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tcohen |
what is using C4/SQLHelper.pm ? everything? |
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wizzyrea |
i seem to recall it had something to do with the borrower search |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: some bits here and there, including patron search |
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jcamins |
Nearly everything. |
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wizzyrea |
snap! |
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gmcharlt |
but something that can go away once DBIC is in |
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cait |
jcamins: sounds like salad yes |
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tcohen |
so, memcached config variables are needed in both apache and koha-conf.xml |
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cait |
jcamins: or antipasti |
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jcamins |
tcohen: just in Apache at the moment, I think. |
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jcamins |
Though it should be changed so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml, now that it's possible to cache koha-conf even with the settings there. |
| 21:16 |
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wizzyrea |
I changed the wording slightly here to yet more strongly suggest packages |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
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jcamins |
Excellent! |
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rangi |
back |
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cait |
wb |
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tcohen |
my memcached for packages patch is wrong then, it relies on koha-conf.xml, which is wrong |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I did not look at it. |
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tcohen |
jcamisn: changing "so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml" means rewrite some stuff, right? |
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tcohen |
it looks like SQLHelper needs those settings on koha-conf.xml, and the rest uses ENV |
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tcohen |
C4/SQLHelper.pm: my $servers = C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'); |
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jcamins |
It means looking at C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'). |
| 21:21 |
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jcamins |
Oh, lovely. |
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rangi |
tcohen: no yours is right, memcache settigns in the httpd conf are wrong :) (imho) |
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jcamins |
rangi: well, sure, but the settings should do something. |
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tcohen |
hi rangi, yes, but currently the code looks for them in apache |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
i remember having a spaz when that was changed and losing that fight |
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tcohen |
as i see it, this intermediate state is a problem |
| 21:23 |
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rangi |
but yeah in my spare time someday, mayble ill change the apache config to look at the koha-conf.xml and set its variables |
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* gmcharlt |
apropos of nothign at all, whistles the bug 10503 tune |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10503 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , incorrect initialization parameters passed to Memoize::Memcached |
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rangi |
:) |
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tcohen |
i'm pretty sure people have mixed settings all over the place, thinking they have a functional memcached setup |
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* cait |
gave up on trying to set it up |
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gmcharlt |
(along the lines of regardless of how the settings are passed, it helps if the current cache is actually fully used ;) ) |
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* jcamins |
thinks that memcached is mostly unusable anyway thanks to our use of memoize_memcached. |
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rangi |
unfortunately yes, and we should remove those |
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rangi |
and do caching proplery |
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jcamins |
Fortunately we have a cache module that could do that. |
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rangi |
exactly |
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rangi |
we are 80% of the way to sane caching :) |
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jcamins |
And we even have a shim cache *object* for those people who don't want to actually think about caching. |
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jcamins |
Wait... |
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| 21:26 |
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jcamins |
did I push that? |
| 21:26 |
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jcamins |
Maybe we don't. |
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jcamins |
Well, at the very least, there's an example of a shim object somewhere in bugzilla. |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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jcamins |
Oh, yeah, I did push it. |
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jcamins |
So, those of you who have been thinking "I'd use caching if only I didn't have to call set and get myself, you're in luck. |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
maybe thats a good hackfest task |
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rangi |
remove all traces of memoize |
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rangi |
and replace with saner caching |
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rangi |
we could even unit test it ... shock horror!! |
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rangi |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: as long as the replacement actually gets done, as opposed to the current incomplete state? |
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gmcharlt |
just a thought |
| 21:28 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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jcamins |
I wrote a patch that changed the sysprefs, but it didn't work on Squeeze, so I reverted it. |
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jcamins |
Arguably I should've fixed it, but as patch author and RM, no one had any opportunity to try and make me. |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
the sysprefs have/had bigger problems |
| 21:29 |
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rangi |
they were doing in perl caching too |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: cachhing sysprefs have always struck me as potentially the least bang for the buck -- mostly on account of the fact that MySQL does caching too |
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rangi |
which was yuck |
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tcohen |
how long ago was memoize introduced? |
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rangi |
a while, only recently was it fixed to actually ever expire |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: caching sysprefs is an expensive and wasteful operation. |
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gmcharlt |
'09 |
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jcamins |
It was a horrible idea. |
| 21:30 |
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jcamins |
But, some people are *very attached* to it. |
| 21:30 |
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gmcharlt |
you're telling me! |
| 21:30 |
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rangi |
caching the output of heavy functions |
| 21:30 |
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rangi |
thats what we should be doing, not the result of sql queries |
| 21:31 |
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rangi |
mysql can do them faster than we can fetch and deserialize |
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jcamins |
I had to scream and shout in order to get my patch that makes it possible to disable the syspref cache in. |
| 21:31 |
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tcohen |
paul's tests concluded caching sysprefs was not worth the trouble, yes |
| 21:31 |
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gmcharlt |
speaking of config |
| 21:31 |
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rangi |
im sure ive ranted about caching before too |
| 21:31 |
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rangi |
that it isnt for speed (at least not the first goal) but for scalability |
| 21:32 |
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gmcharlt |
how badly would folks be terried at the prospect of koha-conf.xml => zebra-conf.xml + //yazgfs/config from the old koha-conf.xml turning into a simpler text file |
| 21:32 |
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rangi |
but even with that in mind, youd struggle to ever reach the point where you overloaded the db with syspref queries |
| 21:32 |
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gmcharlt |
in particular, as a possible target for 3.14 |
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rangi |
gmcharlt: id be fine with it, because its something that is provable |
| 21:33 |
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rangi |
ie you can test it works easily |
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jcamins |
rangi: yeah, but with sysprefs, that doesn't even apply, because scalability is only a reasonable argument if you're preloading, and it takes days to make up for the expense, especially with Apache. |
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rangi |
jcamins: exactly, apache will asplode well before mysql |
| 21:33 |
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jcamins |
If you're worried about syspref queries, reduce the number of times you query the same syspref. |
| 21:33 |
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rangi |
caching the rendered html snippets |
| 21:34 |
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rangi |
and the output of things like the getlanguages |
| 21:34 |
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rangi |
makes sense to me |
| 21:34 |
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gmcharlt |
and the MARC frameworks, which are indeed expensive to recalculate |
| 21:34 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 21:35 |
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rangi |
i made the first one really easy too |
| 21:35 |
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rangi |
with the TT plugin |
| 21:36 |
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gmcharlt |
rendered XSLT output |
| 21:36 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
The next page of search results. |
| 21:36 |
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rangi |
http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]Plugin/Cache.html |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
20ms response time on search results *rocks*. |
| 21:36 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: not for the coffee producers of the world! |
| 21:37 |
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rangi |
you could totally make the search results an include (including the rendered xslt) |
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* jcamins |
should know, he's spent the last half hour going back and forth in search results admiring the speed and responsiveness. |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
Okay, doing other things too. |
| 21:37 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
But it's hard to resist just paginating back and forth. |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
^ not koha eh? |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
No. |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
I just added redis to Biblionarrator. |
| 21:39 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: which reminds me of a thought that's been wandering all alone through my mind -- redis is arguably a better session store than memcached |
| 21:39 |
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jcamins |
I don't entirely understand the difference between the two, but redis is pretty impressive. |
| 21:40 |
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rangi |
redis can write to disk |
| 21:40 |
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rangi |
so for sessions, yes |
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jcamins |
I chose redis because I was told "you should be using redis." |
| 21:40 |
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rangi |
another reason for memoize_memcached to die |
| 21:43 |
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rangi |
the Koha::Cache can do Memcached, FastMmap and Memory now, and could put Redis in there without much effort too |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
Easily. |
| 21:43 |
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gmcharlt |
OK, so are there any patches pending to completely drop direct memcached access? |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
There is the patch I abandoned. |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
Bug 8089 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 21:44 |
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rangi |
oh yeah |
| 21:45 |
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rangi |
yep thats part of it, killing the sysprefs |
| 21:45 |
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rangi |
follow up would be the memoize_memcached |
| 21:45 |
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* rangi |
has a quick play with the patch |
| 21:46 |
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rangi |
can you remember what the problem with squeeze was? |
| 21:46 |
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jcamins |
I couldn't figure out why it was failing, actually. |
| 21:46 |
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rangi |
ohh its applies clean still |
| 21:46 |
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jcamins |
The tests passed for me, but not on jenkins, or on a second Squeeze VM I tried them on, and it was late, so I reverted. |
| 21:47 |
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jcamins |
Both late in terms of release cycle, and late in terms of I was probably tired because the problem appeared at 10pm. |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
they work on my ubuntu, ill have to test on squeeze too |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
I think my theory is that we may have been running afoul of the fact that the regular memcached library for Perl is BROKEN. |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
hmm |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
and we have since switched to Fast eh? |
| 21:49 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
well they seem to pass for me, i wonder if its worth pushing it up to jenkins and seeing if he still hates it |
| 21:49 |
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jcamins |
Well... it falls back if there's no other option. But I think my thought was that the failures might have been because on Squeeze memcached::fast doesn't work. |
| 21:49 |
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* rangi |
defers to gmcharlt |
| 21:50 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: I'll take a look at it |
| 21:51 |
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jcamins |
Wait... |
| 21:51 |
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jcamins |
I'm a little confused. |
| 21:51 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 21:51 |
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gmcharlt |
hmm, wait |
| 21:51 |
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jcamins |
Where are we using memoize? |
| 21:51 |
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rangi |
C4/Languages |
| 21:51 |
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rangi |
we used to anyway |
| 21:51 |
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gmcharlt |
any pending patches that do more than just the syspref cache? |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
I wrote a patch that did. |
| 21:52 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: also C4/Biblio.pm |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
And I have no idea where it is. |
| 21:52 |
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rangi |
C4::Koha |
| 21:52 |
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gmcharlt |
git-fetch jcamins-brain |
| 21:52 |
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rangi |
and C4::SQLHelper |
| 21:52 |
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rangi |
so 4 modules |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I remember patching those. We ran into problems on C4::SQLHelper, but fixed them. |
| 21:53 |
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gmcharlt |
or heck, just read the first comment in bug 8089 for the list :) |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
7 subroutines |
| 21:53 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
in total |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
6 using memoize_memcached |
| 21:53 |
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rangi |
and one using plain old memoize |
| 21:53 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: yeah, that's my report. |
| 21:53 |
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jcamins |
Oh, patch included. |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
brb coffee |
| 21:54 |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. I see. |
| 21:54 |
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jcamins |
We decided to revert it because dpavlin said he was working on a better patch. |
| 21:54 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, what was the diposition of http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=9577 ? |
| 21:55 |
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gmcharlt |
snap |
| 21:55 |
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jcamins |
Sadly, the better patch never materialized. |
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| 21:59 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: my inclination is to unobsolute attachment 11400, write some test cases, and have another go |
| 21:59 |
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huginn` |
Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]11400&action=edit patch, Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching, Bug-8089-Use-KohaCache-for-all-caching.patch |
| 22:00 |
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rangi |
im down with that |
| 22:00 |
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jcamins |
Sounds good to me. |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
:) |
| 22:01 |
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jcamins |
Darn. I should've started cooking wheatberries an hour ago. |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
i had problems with setting up caching in thepast - for testing i will need some help when you are done :) |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
but for now i go to sleep :) |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
good night all |
| 22:01 |
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rangi |
mtompset++ |
| 22:02 |
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gmcharlt |
g'night! |
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| 22:23 |
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tcohen |
how many members does the koha list have? |
| 22:23 |
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tcohen |
we've just reached 409 in the koha-es list |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
bug 10411 |
| 22:27 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config |
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| 22:28 |
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tcohen |
any problem with that rangi? |
| 22:28 |
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mtompset |
*sigh* Just when I thought I had something done, I realized that a missing piece is probably hiding in one of the 56 obsolete'd patches. ARG! |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
nope |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
just that + varnish |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
= really fast |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
without doign anything |
| 22:29 |
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jcamins |
And varnish is a lot faster than nginx? |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
probably about the same |
| 22:30 |
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rangi |
but varnish is a cache |
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maximep |
dont you have to do a lot of configuration in varnish to make it useful, ie to be used for anything with sessions ? |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
by default it speeds up everything where people arent logged in |
| 23:02 |
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maximep |
our sysadmins do magic with it, but not sure I understand it yet -_- |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
which is 90% of the opac |
| 23:02 |
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maximep |
ok |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
but yes, you cna do magic with sessions/cookies too |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
to get the staff side fast |
| 23:02 |
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maximep |
didn't notice much speed diff vs nginx |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
yeah it wouldnt vs nginx |
| 23:02 |
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rangi |
it would be a ton faster vs apache tho |
| 23:03 |
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maximep |
but what isn't :P |
| 23:04 |
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maximep |
anyway gtg... noting to ask sysadmins about it tomorrow to learn more =) |
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| 23:10 |
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tcohen |
is there a benchmark for apache + mod_itk? |
| 23:10 |
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tcohen |
the event module should not be that slower that nginx/lighttpd |
| 23:11 |
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rangi |
nginx is seriously fast |
| 23:11 |
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rangi |
apache2 is way way way behind |
| 23:12 |
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rangi |
it also does a ton more too |
| 23:12 |
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rangi |
http://www.theorganicagency.co[…]mance-comparison/ is quite interesting |
| 23:16 |
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tcohen |
this is the main problem: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
the main win for me with nginx, is the much lower memory footprint |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
i OOM my testing box before i OOM the nginx server |
| 23:17 |
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rangi |
i can overwhelm apache with 100 concurrent requests |
| 23:18 |
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rangi |
it just hits swap, and we are dead in the water |
| 23:18 |
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tcohen |
heh, been there |
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tcohen |
we ended up putting an haproxy in front of our apache's |
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tcohen |
and load balancing |
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rangi |
yeah |
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tcohen |
(just because our sysadmins don't want to try an event-based http server) |
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rangi |
ahh right |
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rangi |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/ has varnish and nginx |
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rangi |
in front of apache |
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tcohen |
several hosts? |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
lots |
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mtompset |
is there a nice way to change the default repository one is using? |
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tcohen |
found jcamins' blue cat http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st[…]k-on-planet-Earth |
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tcohen |
%s/old_one/new_one/g |
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mtompset |
and where is a list? |
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* dcook |
is so lost at the moment |
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mtompset |
I was hoping for a command line type of command. |
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rangi |
what do you mean default repository? |
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rangi |
do you mean git remote? |
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mtompset |
sudo apt-get update... |
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rangi |
there is no such thing as a default in that case |
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mtompset |
well, you select it on install. |
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rangi |
its wahtever you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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rangi |
and whatever is in /etc/apt/sources.lists.d/ |
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wahanui |
Hmm. No matches for that, rangi. |
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mtompset |
is there a way to re-select it? |
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rangi |
edit those files |
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tcohen |
a perl oneliner maybe? |
| 23:26 |
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mtompset |
Well, where do I get a list of possibilities? |
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wizzyrea |
what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
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rangi |
there are as many possibilites as there are grains of sand |
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tcohen |
perl -i -pe 's/ca.ubuntu/ar.ubuntu/g' /etc/apt/suorces.list :-P |
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tcohen |
repository for what mtompset ? Debian? Ubuntu? |
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mtompset |
debian, actually. :) |
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rangi |
http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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jcamins |
What are you trying to do? |
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mtompset |
Fix my networking. I just rebooted the VM, all is good. Don't know why though. |
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mtompset |
I blame virtualbox. :) |
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tcohen |
ksplice is free for Ubuntu? gotta give it a try |
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dcook |
tcohen: Sounds interesting |
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rangi |
oracle own it now |
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rangi |
they'll wreck it |
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rangi |
its what they do |
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dcook |
Own all the things! |
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rangi |
and wreck them all! |
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tcohen |
hehe |
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rangi |
i tel you what is cool tho |
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rangi |
openshift |
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rangi |
https://www.openshift.com/ |
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rangi |
+ dancer |
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rangi |
check this out |
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wizzyrea |
hmmm |
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dcook |
dancer sounds familiar.. |
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rangi |
it runs the dashboard |
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rangi |
and other stuff |
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wahanui |
other stuff is, like, cool too |
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dcook |
I was thinking it might be the dashboard..hmm |
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jcamins |
Ummm... |
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jcamins |
what is OpenShift? |
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rangi |
redhats PAAS |
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jcamins |
Another one of those deploy-via-git development services? |
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wizzyrea |
oh that *is* interesting |
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rangi |
platform as a server |
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rangi |
service even |
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jcamins |
There are a bunch of services like that, aren't there? |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
openshift has about the best perl support |
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rangi |
heroku is ok too |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I've heard of heroku a lot. |
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rangi |
openshift also does this |
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wizzyrea |
and you can run your own? am I reading that right? |
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jcamins |
Microsoft has one on Windows Azure. I don't think I could recommend it. |
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tcohen |
its RedHat's OpenStack product |
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wizzyrea |
I am seriously envious of their documentation site: http://openshift.github.io/documentation/ |
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rangi |
http://paste.koha-community.org/180 |
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jcamins |
Nice! |
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rangi |
ie it runs it through jenkins, if it fails, it wont deploy |
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rangi |
handy |
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tcohen |
is it the answer to Juju? (or vice-versa) |
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dcook |
Whoa...if I'm reading this right...they have a free version and a premium version? |
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dcook |
So I could sign up for the free version and just putz around a bit? |
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rangi |
thats what im doing |
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dcook |
Sweeet |
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rangi |
you get 3 applications |
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rangi |
its great for testing/showing something |
| 23:47 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I might have to keep that in mind |
| 23:47 |
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mtompset |
Question: Koha is GPL 3, right? |
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rangi |
from 3.12 yeah 3+ |
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rangi |
was 2+ before that (so its all 3 as well if you want) |
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mtompset |
What if someone writes a modules releasing it under GPL 2 or later for Koha. |
| 23:48 |
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mtompset |
Do they need to change it to 3 or later? |
| 23:49 |
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rangi |
if its 2 or later |
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rangi |
when its bundled with koha it becomes 3 or later |
| 23:49 |
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rangi |
otherwise its still 2 or later |
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rangi |
if its 2 |
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rangi |
without the or later |
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rangi |
it cant be released with koha |
| 23:49 |
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rangi |
unless it is changed |
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mtompset |
bug 6874 -- the author has code which is 2 or later. |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
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mtompset |
I'm trying to back port to 3.12.x, so I can use the functionality before 3.14 (if it makes it in). |
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rangi |
they probably just copied and pasted from an old file |
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jcamins |
Nah, that code predates 3+. |
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mtompset |
Yes, it does. |
