Time Nick Message 23:52 mtompset Yes, it does. 23:51 jcamins Nah, that code predates 3+. 23:51 rangi they probably just copied and pasted from an old file 23:51 mtompset I'm trying to back port to 3.12.x, so I can use the functionality before 3.14 (if it makes it in). 23:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 23:50 mtompset bug 6874 -- the author has code which is 2 or later. 23:49 rangi unless it is changed 23:49 rangi it cant be released with koha 23:49 rangi without the or later 23:49 rangi if its 2 23:49 rangi otherwise its still 2 or later 23:49 rangi when its bundled with koha it becomes 3 or later 23:49 rangi if its 2 or later 23:48 mtompset Do they need to change it to 3 or later? 23:48 mtompset What if someone writes a modules releasing it under GPL 2 or later for Koha. 23:48 rangi was 2+ before that (so its all 3 as well if you want) 23:48 rangi from 3.12 yeah 3+ 23:47 mtompset Question: Koha is GPL 3, right? 23:47 dcook Hmm, I might have to keep that in mind 23:43 rangi its great for testing/showing something 23:43 rangi you get 3 applications 23:43 dcook Sweeet 23:42 rangi thats what im doing 23:42 dcook So I could sign up for the free version and just putz around a bit? 23:42 dcook Whoa...if I'm reading this right...they have a free version and a premium version? 23:41 tcohen is it the answer to Juju? (or vice-versa) 23:40 rangi handy 23:40 rangi ie it runs it through jenkins, if it fails, it wont deploy 23:40 jcamins Nice! 23:39 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/180 23:39 wizzyrea I am seriously envious of their documentation site: http://openshift.github.io/documentation/ 23:39 tcohen its RedHat's OpenStack product 23:39 jcamins Microsoft has one on Windows Azure. I don't think I could recommend it. 23:38 wizzyrea and you can run your own? am I reading that right? 23:38 rangi openshift also does this 23:38 jcamins Yeah, I've heard of heroku a lot. 23:38 rangi heroku is ok too 23:37 rangi openshift has about the best perl support 23:37 rangi yep 23:37 jcamins There are a bunch of services like that, aren't there? 23:37 rangi service even 23:37 rangi platform as a server 23:37 wizzyrea oh that *is* interesting 23:37 jcamins Another one of those deploy-via-git development services? 23:37 rangi redhats PAAS 23:37 jcamins what is OpenShift? 23:37 jcamins Ummm... 23:37 dcook I was thinking it might be the dashboard..hmm 23:37 wahanui other stuff is, like, cool too 23:37 rangi and other stuff 23:36 rangi it runs the dashboard 23:36 dcook dancer sounds familiar.. 23:35 wizzyrea hmmm 23:35 rangi check this out 23:35 rangi + dancer 23:35 rangi https://www.openshift.com/ 23:34 rangi openshift 23:34 rangi i tel you what is cool tho 23:34 tcohen hehe 23:33 rangi and wreck them all! 23:33 dcook Own all the things! 23:32 rangi its what they do 23:32 rangi they'll wreck it 23:32 rangi oracle own it now 23:31 dcook tcohen: Sounds interesting 23:30 tcohen ksplice is free for Ubuntu? gotta give it a try 23:29 mtompset I blame virtualbox. :) 23:29 mtompset Fix my networking. I just rebooted the VM, all is good. Don't know why though. 23:29 jcamins What are you trying to do? 23:28 rangi http://www.debian.org/mirror/list 23:28 mtompset debian, actually. :) 23:27 tcohen repository for what mtompset ? Debian? Ubuntu? 23:27 tcohen perl -i -pe 's/ca.ubuntu/ar.ubuntu/g' /etc/apt/suorces.list :-P 23:26 rangi there are as many possibilites as there are grains of sand 23:26 wizzyrea what's the problem you're trying to solve? 23:26 mtompset Well, where do I get a list of possibilities? 23:26 tcohen a perl oneliner maybe? 23:26 rangi edit those files 23:25 mtompset is there a way to re-select it? 23:25 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, rangi. 23:25 rangi and whatever is in /etc/apt/sources.lists.d/ 23:25 rangi its wahtever you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list 23:25 mtompset well, you select it on install. 23:25 rangi there is no such thing as a default in that case 23:25 mtompset sudo apt-get update... 23:25 rangi do you mean git remote? 23:24 rangi what do you mean default repository? 23:24 mtompset I was hoping for a command line type of command. 23:24 * dcook is so lost at the moment 23:24 mtompset and where is a list? 23:24 tcohen %s/old_one/new_one/g 23:24 tcohen found jcamins' blue cat http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/blogs/moatas-blog-idle/9022682/Another-week-on-planet-Earth 23:23 mtompset is there a nice way to change the default repository one is using? 23:23 rangi lots 23:23 rangi yep 23:22 tcohen several hosts? 23:21 rangi in front of apache 23:21 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/ has varnish and nginx 23:21 rangi ahh right 23:20 tcohen (just because our sysadmins don't want to try an event-based http server) 23:20 rangi yeah 23:19 tcohen and load balancing 23:19 tcohen we ended up putting an haproxy in front of our apache's 23:18 tcohen heh, been there 23:18 rangi it just hits swap, and we are dead in the water 23:17 rangi i can overwhelm apache with 100 concurrent requests 23:17 rangi i OOM my testing box before i OOM the nginx server 23:17 rangi the main win for me with nginx, is the much lower memory footprint 23:17 rangi yep 23:16 tcohen this is the main problem: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html 23:12 rangi http://www.theorganicagency.com/apache-vs-nginx-performance-comparison/ is quite interesting 23:12 rangi it also does a ton more too 23:11 rangi apache2 is way way way behind 23:11 rangi nginx is seriously fast 23:10 tcohen the event module should not be that slower that nginx/lighttpd 23:10 tcohen is there a benchmark for apache + mod_itk? 23:04 maximep anyway gtg... noting to ask sysadmins about it tomorrow to learn more =) 23:03 maximep but what isn't :P 23:02 rangi it would be a ton faster vs apache tho 23:02 rangi yeah it wouldnt vs nginx 23:02 maximep didn't notice much speed diff vs nginx 23:02 rangi to get the staff side fast 23:02 rangi but yes, you cna do magic with sessions/cookies too 23:02 maximep ok 23:02 rangi which is 90% of the opac 23:02 maximep our sysadmins do magic with it, but not sure I understand it yet -_- 23:02 rangi by default it speeds up everything where people arent logged in 22:59 maximep dont you have to do a lot of configuration in varnish to make it useful, ie to be used for anything with sessions ? 22:30 rangi but varnish is a cache 22:29 rangi probably about the same 22:29 jcamins And varnish is a lot faster than nginx? 22:29 rangi without doign anything 22:29 rangi = really fast 22:29 rangi just that + varnish 22:29 rangi nope 22:28 mtompset *sigh* Just when I thought I had something done, I realized that a missing piece is probably hiding in one of the 56 obsolete'd patches. ARG! 22:28 tcohen any problem with that rangi? 22:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config 22:27 rangi bug 10411 22:23 tcohen we've just reached 409 in the koha-es list 22:23 tcohen how many members does the koha list have? 22:02 gmcharlt g'night! 22:01 rangi mtompset++ 22:01 cait good night all 22:01 cait but for now i go to sleep :) 22:01 cait i had problems with setting up caching in thepast - for testing i will need some help when you are done :) 22:01 jcamins Darn. I should've started cooking wheatberries an hour ago. 22:01 cait :) 22:00 jcamins Sounds good to me. 22:00 rangi im down with that 21:59 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=11400&action=edit patch, Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching, Bug-8089-Use-KohaCache-for-all-caching.patch 21:59 gmcharlt jcamins: my inclination is to unobsolute attachment 11400, write some test cases, and have another go 21:55 jcamins Sadly, the better patch never materialized. 21:55 gmcharlt snap 21:54 gmcharlt yeah, what was the diposition of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9577 ? 21:54 jcamins We decided to revert it because dpavlin said he was working on a better patch. 21:54 jcamins Ohhh. I see. 21:54 rangi brb coffee 21:53 jcamins Oh, patch included. 21:53 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, that's my report. 21:53 rangi and one using plain old memoize 21:53 rangi 6 using memoize_memcached 21:53 rangi in total 21:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 21:53 rangi 7 subroutines 21:53 gmcharlt or heck, just read the first comment in bug 8089 for the list :) 21:52 jcamins Yeah, I remember patching those. We ran into problems on C4::SQLHelper, but fixed them. 21:52 rangi so 4 modules 21:52 rangi and C4::SQLHelper 21:52 gmcharlt git-fetch jcamins-brain 21:52 rangi C4::Koha 21:52 jcamins And I have no idea where it is. 21:52 gmcharlt jcamins: also C4/Biblio.pm 21:52 jcamins I wrote a patch that did. 21:51 gmcharlt any pending patches that do more than just the syspref cache? 21:51 rangi we used to anyway 21:51 rangi C4/Languages 21:51 jcamins Where are we using memoize? 21:51 gmcharlt hmm, wait 21:51 jcamins Hm. 21:51 jcamins I'm a little confused. 21:51 jcamins Wait... 21:50 gmcharlt jcamins: I'll take a look at it 21:49 * rangi defers to gmcharlt 21:49 jcamins Well... it falls back if there's no other option. But I think my thought was that the failures might have been because on Squeeze memcached::fast doesn't work. 21:49 rangi well they seem to pass for me, i wonder if its worth pushing it up to jenkins and seeing if he still hates it 21:49 jcamins Yeah. 21:49 rangi and we have since switched to Fast eh? 21:48 rangi hmm 21:48 jcamins I think my theory is that we may have been running afoul of the fact that the regular memcached library for Perl is BROKEN. 21:47 rangi they work on my ubuntu, ill have to test on squeeze too 21:47 rangi yeah 21:47 jcamins Both late in terms of release cycle, and late in terms of I was probably tired because the problem appeared at 10pm. 21:46 jcamins The tests passed for me, but not on jenkins, or on a second Squeeze VM I tried them on, and it was late, so I reverted. 21:46 rangi ohh its applies clean still 21:46 jcamins I couldn't figure out why it was failing, actually. 21:46 rangi can you remember what the problem with squeeze was? 21:45 * rangi has a quick play with the patch 21:45 rangi follow up would be the memoize_memcached 21:45 rangi yep thats part of it, killing the sysprefs 21:44 rangi oh yeah 21:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 21:44 jcamins Bug 8089 21:44 jcamins There is the patch I abandoned. 21:43 gmcharlt OK, so are there any patches pending to completely drop direct memcached access? 21:43 jcamins Easily. 21:43 rangi the Koha::Cache can do Memcached, FastMmap and Memory now, and could put Redis in there without much effort too 21:40 rangi another reason for memoize_memcached to die 21:40 jcamins I chose redis because I was told "you should be using redis." 21:40 rangi so for sessions, yes 21:40 rangi redis can write to disk 21:39 jcamins I don't entirely understand the difference between the two, but redis is pretty impressive. 21:39 gmcharlt jcamins: which reminds me of a thought that's been wandering all alone through my mind -- redis is arguably a better session store than memcached 21:38 jcamins I just added redis to Biblionarrator. 21:38 jcamins No. 21:38 jcamins lol 21:37 wizzyrea ^ not koha eh? 21:37 jcamins But it's hard to resist just paginating back and forth. 21:37 rangi :) 21:37 jcamins Okay, doing other things too. 21:37 * jcamins should know, he's spent the last half hour going back and forth in search results admiring the speed and responsiveness. 21:37 rangi you could totally make the search results an include (including the rendered xslt) 21:36 gmcharlt jcamins: not for the coffee producers of the world! 21:36 jcamins 20ms response time on search results *rocks*. 21:36 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/Koha/Template/Plugin/Cache.html 21:36 jcamins The next page of search results. 21:36 rangi yep 21:36 gmcharlt rendered XSLT output 21:35 rangi with the TT plugin 21:35 rangi i made the first one really easy too 21:34 rangi yep 21:34 gmcharlt and the MARC frameworks, which are indeed expensive to recalculate 21:34 rangi makes sense to me 21:34 rangi and the output of things like the getlanguages 21:33 rangi caching the rendered html snippets 21:33 jcamins If you're worried about syspref queries, reduce the number of times you query the same syspref. 21:33 rangi jcamins: exactly, apache will asplode well before mysql 21:33 jcamins rangi: yeah, but with sysprefs, that doesn't even apply, because scalability is only a reasonable argument if you're preloading, and it takes days to make up for the expense, especially with Apache. 21:33 rangi ie you can test it works easily 21:32 rangi gmcharlt: id be fine with it, because its something that is provable 21:32 gmcharlt in particular, as a possible target for 3.14 21:32 rangi but even with that in mind, youd struggle to ever reach the point where you overloaded the db with syspref queries 21:32 gmcharlt how badly would folks be terried at the prospect of koha-conf.xml => zebra-conf.xml + //yazgfs/config from the old koha-conf.xml turning into a simpler text file 21:31 rangi that it isnt for speed (at least not the first goal) but for scalability 21:31 rangi im sure ive ranted about caching before too 21:31 gmcharlt speaking of config 21:31 tcohen paul's tests concluded caching sysprefs was not worth the trouble, yes 21:31 jcamins I had to scream and shout in order to get my patch that makes it possible to disable the syspref cache in. 21:31 rangi mysql can do them faster than we can fetch and deserialize 21:30 rangi thats what we should be doing, not the result of sql queries 21:30 rangi caching the output of heavy functions 21:30 gmcharlt you're telling me! 21:30 jcamins But, some people are *very attached* to it. 21:30 jcamins It was a horrible idea. 21:30 gmcharlt '09 21:30 jcamins gmcharlt: caching sysprefs is an expensive and wasteful operation. 21:30 rangi a while, only recently was it fixed to actually ever expire 21:29 tcohen how long ago was memoize introduced? 21:29 rangi which was yuck 21:29 gmcharlt jcamins: cachhing sysprefs have always struck me as potentially the least bang for the buck -- mostly on account of the fact that MySQL does caching too 21:29 rangi they were doing in perl caching too 21:29 rangi the sysprefs have/had bigger problems 21:29 rangi heh 21:28 jcamins Arguably I should've fixed it, but as patch author and RM, no one had any opportunity to try and make me. 21:28 jcamins I wrote a patch that changed the sysprefs, but it didn't work on Squeeze, so I reverted it. 21:28 rangi yeah 21:28 gmcharlt just a thought 21:28 gmcharlt rangi: as long as the replacement actually gets done, as opposed to the current incomplete state? 21:28 rangi :) 21:28 rangi we could even unit test it ... shock horror!! 21:27 rangi and replace with saner caching 21:27 rangi remove all traces of memoize 21:27 rangi maybe thats a good hackfest task 21:27 rangi :) 21:27 jcamins So, those of you who have been thinking "I'd use caching if only I didn't have to call set and get myself, you're in luck. 21:26 jcamins Oh, yeah, I did push it. 21:26 rangi *nod* 21:26 jcamins Well, at the very least, there's an example of a shim object somewhere in bugzilla. 21:26 jcamins Maybe we don't. 21:26 jcamins did I push that? 21:26 jcamins Wait... 21:26 jcamins And we even have a shim cache *object* for those people who don't want to actually think about caching. 21:26 rangi we are 80% of the way to sane caching :) 21:25 rangi exactly 21:25 jcamins Fortunately we have a cache module that could do that. 21:25 rangi and do caching proplery 21:25 rangi unfortunately yes, and we should remove those 21:24 * jcamins thinks that memcached is mostly unusable anyway thanks to our use of memoize_memcached. 21:24 gmcharlt (along the lines of regardless of how the settings are passed, it helps if the current cache is actually fully used ;) ) 21:24 * cait gave up on trying to set it up 21:24 tcohen i'm pretty sure people have mixed settings all over the place, thinking they have a functional memcached setup 21:24 rangi :) 21:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10503 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , incorrect initialization parameters passed to Memoize::Memcached 21:24 * gmcharlt apropos of nothign at all, whistles the bug 10503 tune 21:23 rangi but yeah in my spare time someday, mayble ill change the apache config to look at the koha-conf.xml and set its variables 21:23 tcohen as i see it, this intermediate state is a problem 21:22 rangi i remember having a spaz when that was changed and losing that fight 21:22 rangi yep 21:22 tcohen hi rangi, yes, but currently the code looks for them in apache 21:22 jcamins rangi: well, sure, but the settings should do something. 21:21 rangi tcohen: no yours is right, memcache settigns in the httpd conf are wrong :) (imho) 21:21 jcamins Oh, lovely. 21:21 jcamins It means looking at C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'). 21:21 tcohen C4/SQLHelper.pm: my $servers = C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'); 21:21 tcohen it looks like SQLHelper needs those settings on koha-conf.xml, and the rest uses ENV 21:20 tcohen jcamisn: changing "so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml" means rewrite some stuff, right? 21:19 jcamins tcohen: I did not look at it. 21:19 tcohen my memcached for packages patch is wrong then, it relies on koha-conf.xml, which is wrong 21:19 cait wb 21:18 rangi back 21:16 jcamins Excellent! 21:16 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 21:16 wizzyrea I changed the wording slightly here to yet more strongly suggest packages 21:16 jcamins Though it should be changed so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml, now that it's possible to cache koha-conf even with the settings there. 21:15 jcamins tcohen: just in Apache at the moment, I think. 21:15 cait jcamins: or antipasti 21:15 tcohen so, memcached config variables are needed in both apache and koha-conf.xml 21:15 cait jcamins: sounds like salad yes 21:15 gmcharlt but something that can go away once DBIC is in 21:15 wizzyrea snap! 21:15 jcamins Nearly everything. 21:14 gmcharlt tcohen: some bits here and there, including patron search 21:14 wizzyrea i seem to recall it had something to do with the borrower search 21:14 tcohen what is using C4/SQLHelper.pm ? everything? 21:14 wizzyrea mediterranean salad 21:13 jcamins What should we have for dinner? 21:13 jcamins I have 5 tomatoes, 3 cucumbers, 2 tiny bulbs of fennel, and 2 green peppers. 20:54 tcohen that's possimpible 20:53 jcamins No, this cat was just blue. 20:53 jcamins Hehe. 20:52 tcohen smurf cat? 20:52 cait ooh 20:52 jcamins cait: not recently. 20:51 cait jcamins: are you still visiting the blue cat? 20:51 * cait sends greetings to myshkin 20:51 cait lol 20:50 jcamins lol 20:50 wizzyrea haha 20:50 gmcharlt http://opac.zadi.librarypolice.com/feline.txt 20:50 wizzyrea that way every koha has one ;) 20:50 wizzyrea we already have a history file, I think, why not use that for humans.txt? 20:49 ibeardslee wizzyrea: ahh .. good idea 20:48 tcohen i forgot my own work on putting memcache stuff in apache conf :/ 20:48 wizzyrea ibeardslee: http://humanstxt.org/ 20:46 wizzyrea so much this. 20:46 gmcharlt and relegate some of the more obscure scenarios down in docs/ 20:46 jcamins +1 20:46 tcohen lets make standard == packages 20:46 jcamins The argument for it was that "it'll work on shared hosting," but that is absolutely not the case anymore. 20:46 wizzyrea ^^^ 20:45 gmcharlt why I'm spitballing is having the top-level install docs be few(er) in number, and focus on the most common, recommended scenarios 20:45 * jcamins thinks that single should probably be abolished. 20:45 gmcharlt mtompset: too much, IMO -- at least at the top level 20:45 * mtompset is going to pick up his son from daycare. 20:44 wizzyrea no 20:44 ibeardslee humans.txt = "Ask a non-human sysadmin to read the INSTALL.TXT" ? 20:44 wizzyrea ;) 20:44 wizzyrea when myshkin submits a patch, I'll add felines.txt 20:44 mtompset gmcharlt: INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single}? 20:44 wizzyrea kek. 20:44 jcamins Speaking of humans.txt, Myshkin feels discriminated against. 20:43 cait humans.txt? 20:43 wizzyrea speaking of trivial changes, I promised a humans. txt 20:43 gmcharlt reorganize so that we have INSTALL & INSTALL.special, perhaps? 20:43 mtompset I would generalize away the git vs. tarball. 20:42 mtompset oh no... it would be ubuntu specific. 20:42 wizzyrea you said generalise and I heard "instructions for everybody in one monolith" 20:42 wizzyrea right - just don't generalise away from distro specific instructions. 20:42 mtompset you can do a dev install from a tarball. 20:41 mtompset you can do a standard install from a git directory. 20:41 mtompset I understand where you are coming from, and would love a INSTALL.ubuntu.git and INSTALL.ubuntu.tar, but the fact is, it isn't about the tar or git... it is about the dev, standard, or single. 20:40 wizzyrea it's not confusing for people who know what they're doing already 20:40 mtompset wizzyrea: You are in the minority opinion on that. 20:40 wizzyrea often that gets really confusing for people. 20:40 mtompset but I haven't gotten to it yet. 20:40 wizzyrea mmm yea wouldn't generalise 20:40 mtompset and then clean up the excessive ubuntu install instruction files. 20:39 mtompset I'm hoping to generalize to "source based install". 20:39 mtompset We have an earlier variation of my tarball instructions in the install.ubuntu type files. 20:39 wizzyrea just sayin. 20:38 wizzyrea ...perhaps we should use them in install.ubuntu or install.debian instead of what's there? 20:38 drojf "webapp" is a funny word for an ILS 20:38 mtompset plus, my tarball instructions are better, but I didn't link to them. ;) 20:37 mtompset I didn't spend hours on end to write bad instructions, only to have someone confuse the masses. :) 20:36 wizzyrea mtompset++ even 20:36 drojf mtompset++ 20:36 wizzyrea for good advice on the mailing list 20:36 wizzyrea mtompsett++ 20:35 cait doens't he always? :) 20:34 wizzyrea rangi++ for fighting the good fight with librarians re: RDA 20:23 wahanui 3.4 is, like, Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011 20:23 mtompset 3.4? 20:18 rangi right time to go to school 20:13 drojf [off] i begin to think it is a plot to make the livedvd look better in comparison 20:13 cait [off] not even loading for me? 20:13 drojf [off] yes, that one :( 20:12 rangi [off] the wiki of bad advice? everyday it seems 20:12 drojf and good morning rdangi ;) 20:10 drojf [off] how often is that link going to show up now on the list? :/ 20:09 rangi but i seem unabel to make that point 20:09 rangi i understand RDA could potentially be good ... im just saying that at the moment it isnt :) 20:08 wahanui thanks druthb :) 20:08 druthb wahanui: botsnack RDA proponents. 20:08 druthb lulz 20:07 jcamins Unless you're arguing that, in which case, OH MY GOD SOMEONE KIDNAPPED RANGI AND REPLACED HIM WITH AN ALIEN! 20:07 rangi https://twitter.com/DebsLunch/status/370234771286147073 20:07 jcamins Who argues that RDA isn't crap? 20:07 rangi yup 20:07 wahanui really is off now 20:07 jcamins rangi: really? 20:06 druthb lol 20:06 * wahanui huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing 20:06 druthb wahanui: RDA? 20:06 druthb lol 20:06 rangi cos they are still arguing with me on twitter 20:06 rangi are there any RDA proponents there? 20:06 druthb suits me, cait. 20:06 cait morning rangi :) 20:06 * cait suggests that all koha people move to Konstanz 20:06 rangi morning 20:05 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 34.7°C (3:05 PM CDT on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 20:05 cait you mean not super hot? 20:05 druthb @wunder 77063 20:05 cait heh 20:05 druthb nice and pleasant in Germany! 20:04 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.6°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 20:04 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1383: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1383/ 19:46 cait wizzyrea++ 19:45 maximep man, http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/ is the best thing ever -_- 19:33 cait bgkriegel++ # being an awesome German translator! 19:33 mtompset I think your rough draft is an impro--vement. 19:32 oleonard Bye #koha 19:32 mtompset Bye, tcohen. 19:32 oleonard Now I will leave. 19:32 cait with a bit more styling :) 19:32 oleonard Okay, I will keep tinkering with it... tomorrow. 19:32 cait oleonard: i think i like yours better :) 19:32 tcohen heading home to do some rmaint tasks 19:31 tcohen bye #koha 19:31 mtompset Hmmm... you lost the title "Place on" related to the radio buttons. 19:31 cait after the other 19:31 cait only from one record 19:30 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/t7jeyWMOxi 19:30 mtompset Nope. :P 19:29 oleonard Geez don't you guys ever place holds from the OPAC? :P 19:28 mtompset I did ask about a before shot. ;) 19:28 cait i have no idea how it looks now actually 19:28 cait oleonard: i am undecided :( 19:27 mtompset one more yes and he goes to hollywood. ;) 19:27 gmcharlt ;) 19:27 mtompset cait? Is it a yes or no? 19:27 nitpicker but... but... but... 19:27 gmcharlt yes 19:26 oleonard :) 19:26 jcamins Yes. 19:26 oleonard Okay, but the VERY GENERAL IDEA people are okay with? 19:26 jcamins I like the idea, but I think the Edit notes link might be confusing. 19:26 cait oleonard: i wonde about the edit notes link a bit 19:26 oleonard gmcharlt: Sure, I just wanted to float the general idea 19:26 * mtompset nods in agreement with gmcharlt. 19:25 gmcharlt oleonard: looks OK, but the checkboxes seem to be free-floating; I think they should preceed the title 19:25 mtompset Is there a before shot? 19:25 cait hm placing holds for multiple items from the result list? 19:24 tcohen hi mtompset 19:24 oleonard So what if I redesigned the OPAC place hold screen? Rough: http://www.screencast.com/t/8w3MrwoYGKHp 19:23 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/QA_team_meeting,_22_August_2013 19:23 cait hi mtompset 19:20 mtompset Greetings, tcohen cait drojf. 19:20 drojf is it not? maybe i did not try the fun stuff 19:18 jcamins drojf: are we talking about the same wiki? 19:18 drojf because it is too easy to use? :) 19:18 cait mediawiki still puzzles me 19:18 cait hm 19:17 drojf "QA_IRC_meeting_<date>" as opposed to "General_IRC_meeting_<date>"? 19:16 * cait wonders where to put a page for a qa team irc meeting in the wiki 19:15 tcohen [off] ok ok, just clarifying 19:14 jcamins [off] Just the LC classification system. 19:14 cait [off] in general or right now? 19:14 tcohen [off] is jcamins insulting people? 19:12 jcamins :P 19:12 jcamins Ba dum pssshhh. 19:11 jcamins No, more like stupid stupid. 19:11 mtompset Or flying purple people eater without punctuation? 19:10 mtompset general special?! Isn't that like saying stupid smart? 19:09 drojf bad wahanui, no cookie 19:08 drojf unfair 19:08 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 19:08 drojf @later tell eythian test 19:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 19:08 drojf more confetti? 19:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 19:08 drojf confetti? 19:06 jcamins Because real people will *totally* understand that. 19:06 jcamins Rather, LC classification. 19:05 jcamins My new favorite LCSH classification: "general special." 19:02 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 19:02 cait confetti! 19:02 cait i have heard there is gbsd this friday? :) 19:02 cait :) 19:00 huginn` magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes 19:00 magnuse @confetti! 18:59 wahanui confetti is, like, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 18:59 magnuse confetti! 18:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1383 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 18:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. 18:45 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 18:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1382: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1382/ 18:45 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 18:37 mtompset okay. Then I guess hard coding is the way to do it. :) 18:37 jcamins That is true of most fields, so, based on that snippet, I'm speculating that is true of the 856$u too, yes. 18:36 mtompset So, the 856$u field gets put into the MARCXML field or something? 18:35 magnuse Lee_in_Butte: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/57054003179/when-someone-we-havent-seen-in-a-while-pops-back 18:35 jcamins mtompset: at a guess because it doesn't map to a Koha field. 18:34 Lee_in_Butte posted on the listserv by nancy Keener 18:34 jcamins Ah. 18:34 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this good code? Why not use GetMarcFromKohaField in C4::Biblio?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/179 18:34 Lee_in_Butte There will be an IRC meeting on Wednesday August 28 to update everyone on the KohaCon 13 progress. Meeting time is 18 UTC. 18:34 oleonard KohaCon meeting jcamins 18:33 jcamins There's a meeting on the 28th? 18:33 Lee_in_Butte yeah... nothing else I rather do than hang with you O 18:33 * magnuse waves to Lee_in_Butte 18:32 mtompset Still good to know the IRC link is working. :) 18:32 oleonard It's okay Lee_in_Butte, just hang out til then. 18:32 Lee_in_Butte duh 18:32 Lee_in_Butte not the 21 18:32 Lee_in_Butte LOL sorry its on the 28th 18:32 mtompset What?! That's not the rules. 18:32 oleonard You owe *me* a coke! 18:32 oleonard Didn't say jinx! Jinx! 18:31 mtompset You owe me a coke. ;) 18:31 mtompset Meeting? 18:31 oleonard meeting? 18:31 Lee_in_Butte just checking to be sure this irc link still works....on my end. I wanna catch the meeting today 18:30 Lee_in_Butte hey there 18:29 oleonard Hi Lee_in_Butte! 18:23 mtompset [off] which person? Oh.... the .za email person? He really doesn't keep up to date with the Ubuntu documentation. 18:16 cait cookies :) 18:14 jcamins [off] the former. 18:14 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 18:14 drojf cookies! 18:13 * druthb shares cookies, and fruit-and-nut bars. 18:13 druthb :D 18:13 cait hehe 18:13 drojf lol 18:13 cait druthb! 18:13 drojf druthb! 18:13 drojf [off] the webinar or being th ebad one? :D 18:13 druthb cait! drojf! 18:12 jcamins [off] rangi already said he'd do it, I think. 18:12 cait [off] volunteers drojf 18:11 drojf [off] the one telling that person with the overly complicated, weird koha-on-ubuntu-installation that he should not be doing the webinar 18:10 oleonard [off] Bad one? 18:10 drojf [off] so, who is going to be the bad one? 18:09 drojf hi cait 18:09 cait hey drojf 18:05 cait i was thinking about the second one :) 18:05 wahanui okay, oleonard. 18:05 oleonard DND is also Dungeons 'n' Dragons 18:05 oleonard DND is Do Not Disturb 18:04 * cait waves 18:04 cait DND? :) 18:01 jcamins Right. 18:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 18:01 wahanui bug 6874 is, like, epic 18:01 mtompset bug 6874 18:01 mtompset (if you want something done quickly, yourself is usually better) 18:01 oleonard Which bug? 18:01 mtompset or suffer the pain of rebasing it myself? 18:00 * jcamins didn't write it, and last looked at it ages and ages ago. 18:00 jcamins Get someone to rebase it. 18:00 jcamins It's against master. 17:59 mtompset Okay, so, I'd like to play with the bug that you mentioned yesterday, jcamins, but it says it is against 3.14, but there is no such tag, so I tried master, but it conflicts like crazy. So, how could it be signed off? 17:58 mtompset Got to love wireless issues. 17:58 mtompset Greetings again, #koha. 17:57 magnuse humidity-induced ouch! 17:57 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 17:57 magnuse @wunder boo 17:43 magnuse um, is it really necessary that "Import patrons" says "Parsing upload file test.csv" for each and every line in the imported file? 17:43 magnuse kia ora NateC! 17:38 * magnuse waves to druthb 17:37 * druthb waves to magnuse 17:36 * magnuse pokes his head in again 17:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1382 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 1 day 0 hr ago) 17:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules 17:31 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC 17:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1381: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1381/ 17:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. 17:18 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 17:18 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #62: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/62/ 16:55 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 16:55 tcohen @later tell kf I think it is, because bgkriegel is not available till past-release time 16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #62 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:39 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ac32b4d11383356405ea76f26751db09cf90231> 16:38 kf bye all :) 16:36 mtompset Yes, I discovered that. 16:36 jcamins git tries to save you from doing something you'll regret like forcibly deleting possibly-useful data. 16:36 jcamins You have to look in the documentation to find the correct argument to forcibly remove them. 16:35 mtompset git gc didn't remove them. 16:35 jcamins Yes, I told you. git gc. But that's not your problem. 16:35 mtompset There has to be a nice way to remove dangling blobs/trees. 16:35 jcamins In case you were wondering. 16:34 mtompset I was trying to apply that bug you mentioned yesterday, jcamins. But was having difficulty. 16:34 jcamins I have three screens full of dangling blobs. 16:34 mtompset I really need to keep track of what I am doing, so I don't keep doing this. 16:34 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 16:34 jcamins Interesting. 16:33 mtompset They were. 16:33 jcamins *that were changed were actually 16:33 jcamins mtompset: just as a thing-for-next-time, did you check to see that the files that were actuall committed? 16:33 liw I broke git today, by having my laptop crash 16:33 mtompset I don't know how but my one branch tracking origin/master had edits in it, but 'git diff origin/master' wasn't showing differences. 16:32 mtompset No, that wasn't the problem. 16:32 jcamins kf: well... git was unhappy. 16:32 jcamins However, since mtompset did not say "how do I recover data from a disk that has suffered a catastrophic failure and corrupted 90% of my files?" I suppose that's not the problem we're dealing with. 16:31 kf that doesn't count really, does it? 16:31 jcamins Catastrophic disk failure FTW. 16:31 jcamins I managed once. 16:30 kf it's really hard to break git actually 16:28 kf but without telling us what the problem is a bit better it's hard to tell :) 16:28 jcamins Dangling blobs are not a problem. 16:28 kf mtompset: not sure it's necessary 16:28 mtompset nevermind... I'm taking the pain AGAIN. 16:27 mtompset git fsck 16:27 jcamins How do you know you have dangling blobs? Did you get an error message? 16:27 jcamins And are you sure they are actually on your branch? 16:26 mtompset I may have and not noticed until now, but it seems strange that a 'git diff origin/master' didn't pop out these difference. 16:25 jcamins So you are saying that you accidentally added commits to the wrong branch? 16:25 mtompset downloading is a pain! 16:25 mtompset I just want to reset without a full reclone. 16:25 * drojf recommends fire 16:25 mtompset I have files with contents that are in another branch. 16:24 mtompset I have files in a branch that I wasn't expecting. 16:24 mtompset I now have dangling blobs. 16:24 jcamins In what way? 16:24 mtompset because a series of git am's and git bz's (ordering and attempts all lost) have created a git mess. 16:23 jcamins But, A) why are you trying to do this, and B) git gc. 16:23 jcamins mtompset: for dangling blobs I generally recommend seeing a specialist. 16:22 mtompset So any ideas on how to reset a git repo without a full reclone? 16:19 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :) 16:19 * druthb waves to mtompset 16:18 mtompset How do I delete dangling blobs? 16:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1381 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 23 hr ago) 16:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. 16:16 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() 16:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() 16:16 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided 16:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report 16:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once 16:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page 16:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports 16:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once 16:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once 16:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1380: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1380/ 16:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules 16:12 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC 16:12 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #61: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/61/ 16:06 gaetan_B bye ! 15:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #61 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. 15:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() 15:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() 15:34 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided 15:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report 15:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once 15:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page 15:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports 15:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once 15:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once 15:34 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #60: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/60/ 15:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=841fe4559f6264295ec4cfde6ddd6e22a151d6bf> 15:28 kf :) 15:27 drojf druthb: i'm going to allow this :) 15:27 reiveune bye 15:25 druthb drojf++ # I am so stealing "frankenstein-y". 15:25 druthb mad_scientists++ 15:11 drojf filemaker-- 15:11 drojf omg, i made filemaker do an sql query. i feel like a mad scientist doing frankenstein-y things. 15:07 drojf [off] tcohen: but seriously, he said he goes back to nz in about a week. don't know if he will go back to work immediately though 15:06 tcohen hehe 15:04 wahanui drojf: de rien 15:04 drojf wahanui: @later tell eythian is <eythian> i am out of office right now. thank you for leaving a message. if i do not get back to you within one hour, please leave me another message. 15:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1380 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:00 drojf heh 14:58 oleonard eythian should have set up a vacation @later autoresponder 14:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #60 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:52 drojf tcohen kf eythian is still on vacation and really looking forward to hundreds of "@ later"s :P 14:49 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90e90a436ac009014abef0c557ea371b42b124d0> / Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e189d4166e852118c1bf3b340991bf8fa0e3b720> / Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report an 14:46 kf np 14:43 tcohen thanks for telling kf 14:43 kf might take a bit until you hear back 14:43 kf tcohen: i think he is still on vacation 14:41 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:41 tcohen @later tell eythian I need your advice for including a config file in case a suggested dependency is installed (bash-completion) 14:10 gmcharlt and too long (by default, 10 minutes), and the Apache backend process times out 13:59 kf but it can take a while 13:58 kf hm not aknown one 13:56 magnuse is there a known limit to how many patrons can be imported at once with the "import patrons" tool? 12:49 kf morning tcohen 12:47 tcohen morning #koha 12:44 oleonard Where did this empty pbr folder come from and why isn't it filled with cheap beer? 12:41 * druthb wriggles happily 12:41 kf hi druthb 12:40 druthb g'morning, #koha! 12:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page 12:39 * oleonard ought to see if we can fund Bug 6615 this year... 12:25 drojf actually win2k only had IE6 i think 12:22 drojf windows 2000 was the last windows i had installed in a non-VM version. good times. i might consider using it again if koha works with IE7 :P 12:20 jcamins [off] Or they're embedded systems developers, I suppose. 12:18 jcamins [off] And the others work at companies where the tail wags the dog. 12:17 jcamins [off] A lot of them are old people who don't have any kids. 12:17 oleonard Who are these IE7 users and what the hell is wrong with them/their IT departments? 12:16 jcamins Probably. 12:16 oleonard Windows XP is so old Microsoft doesn't even support it anymore, and even that can run IE8. 12:16 oleonard Are there really people out there using Windows 2000 who can't upgrade to IE8? 12:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10772 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7 not loading reset-fonts-grids.css in staff client 12:15 oleonard (re: Bug 10772) 12:15 jcamins lol 12:15 oleonard I had a bowl full of angry condemnation of Internet Explorer 7. 12:14 * magnuse wonders what oleonard had for breakfast ;-) 12:02 oleonard Hideley-ho koharinos 11:51 marcelr hi #koha 09:11 * dcook crosses his fingers that he gets there in time 09:11 dcook Public library time! 09:11 dcook Have a good day/night all. 09:08 dcook Three legitimate ones to make up for my not so legitimate one :p 09:02 kf Joubu++ :) 09:00 magnuse moahahaha 08:59 dcook Tricksy magnuse getting me to stay uber late.. 08:59 dcook Hmm..might not make it to the library now 08:44 dcook Oh dear... 08:42 * dcook checks the archive 08:42 dcook Perhaps this is the week of grandstanding :p 08:42 rangi now im doubly glad i replied to the eifl mail 08:41 kf thx :) 08:41 rangi a new english bit of slang for you :) 08:41 rangi kf: To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience. 08:40 rangi latest email on the koha list 08:40 kf grandstanding? 08:40 rangi to assuming they are grandstanding now 08:40 rangi im moved on from assuming they are wanting to help 08:40 rangi oh good grief 08:30 dcook Up now.. 08:30 dcook Having troubles loading the email archive. Might be an issue on my end though.. 08:29 dcook Hmm... 08:28 dcook Mm, I'll take a look 08:26 rangi ah on the main list, from eifl 08:25 dcook Not sure I've noticed that one 08:19 rangi i replied saying if the webinar can be delivered via free software, id be interested 08:16 dcook I seem to notice it more and more all the time :/ 08:16 rangi lots of KOHA today 08:01 dcook Love me a good Shakespeare remake 08:00 dcook Ooh. Ran does sound good.. 08:00 drojf reminds me i still have not watched sátántangó. 7 hours of quiet hungarians in black and white. had to download it, never watched it. i should still have it somewhere 07:59 rangi kurosawa remakes king lear :) 07:58 rangi that was great too 07:58 cjh they are hilarious. 07:58 rangi ran 07:58 * cjh is currently watching all the bond films 07:58 dcook hehe 07:58 rangi may as well do the free trial 07:58 rangi :) 07:57 cjh I have been thinking of signing up to fatso for scifis, an '50s, '60s and '70s japanese movie education might just tip me over the edge. 07:57 rangi yep 07:57 dcook I wonder if that will/has come up with Koha 07:57 rangi http://www.fatso.co.nz/Search/Director/Akira_Kurosawa/8113 07:57 dcook Mind you, I only have two branches at mind so I guess that's not a huge problem.. 07:57 dcook Still disappointed about the libraries here charing for reservations.. 07:57 dcook I think I got both Kurosawa films from the library back home :) 07:56 rangi quickflix.co.nz only has one 07:56 dcook Interesting. I'd never heard of the site before. Good ol' NZ 07:54 cjh :o that may be the reason to get fatso that I have been looking for. 07:54 rangi when i had fatso.co.nz i went through a phase where i watched all of the kurosawa movies 07:53 rangi hi kf 07:53 * cjh takes notes 07:53 dcook hey ya kf :) 07:53 * kf waves 07:53 dcook I knew Magnificient Seven was a homage to Seven Samurai but I didn't know that Seven Samurai was itself an homage to spaghetti westerns as well. Sweet. 07:52 dcook hehe 07:52 cjh heh 07:52 rangi full circle 07:52 rangi theny they went and made the magnificent seven, which was a homage to seven samurai 07:52 rangi that was his homage to spaghetti westerns 07:51 dcook Admittedly, I watched it in stages :p 07:51 dcook So you have to be willing to sit for a while 07:51 dcook Mind you, Seven Samurai is nearly 4 hours long.. 07:51 dcook cjh: They're pretty classic 07:50 dcook I'll have to check them out sometime :) 07:49 * cjh hasnt seen any of those 07:48 rangi as is sanshiro sugata 07:48 rangi yojimbo is great 07:48 dcook I might have The Hidden Fortress somewhere though. Keep meaning to watch that.. 07:48 rangi oh you are missing out 07:47 dcook Actually, Seven Samurai might be the only one I've seen of his 07:47 dcook I've never seen Ikiru.. 07:46 rangi confusing it with ikiru 07:46 rangi you might be right 07:46 dcook I think Otomo did the whole thing himself 07:46 dcook I don't think Kurosawa was on the film 07:45 dcook Wait... 07:45 rangi yeah 07:45 dcook Although apparently Otomo also did the script for the movie I think.. 07:45 dcook Seems pretty different from what I can tell so far 07:44 dcook rangi: Yep, although it's been a couple years. 07:44 dcook hehe 07:44 wahanui facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. 07:44 * dcook facepalm 07:44 dcook *facepalm* 07:44 dcook The method of installation and setup described below is called the "original tarball" installation method. Do not confuse it with any other installation method. 07:44 rangi have you seen the kurosawa movie of the same name? 07:43 dcook I want to pick up the rest of Akira but the library doesn't close for a while.. 07:43 dcook I'll look at doing another. 07:43 dcook Thanks :) 07:42 magnuse dcook++ for the actual signoff 07:42 dcook Indeed, wahanui. Indeed. 07:42 wahanui the is probably a stop word 07:42 dcook What the.. 07:42 magnuse oh noes... 07:41 rangi then go on and do the tarball .. wtf 07:41 rangi http://wiki.lib.sun.ac.za/index.php/KOHA#Step_1_-_Install_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_server_software_on_a_bare_metal_or_virtual_machine. 07:41 rangi they set up the package source 07:41 rangi that wiki is so wrong 07:41 dcook gah? 07:41 rangi gah 07:40 dcook There we go, magnuse. An actual sign off :p 07:35 dcook hey ya matts 07:35 matts hi ! 07:33 dcook Ooo, bugs to sign off.. 07:29 dcook Improving the wiki instructions seems like the way to go 07:29 dcook mtompset++ 07:28 dcook I think people do think they're helping but such a bad idea 07:28 dcook I should probably go back and check some time though.. 07:28 dcook I have a blog where I occasionally talk about my adventures with Koha but I think I've tried my best to not actually reference anything specific 07:28 cjh amen. 07:27 dcook Those! 07:27 dcook ^^ all comments 07:27 rangi i assume they mean well .. but not actually helping 07:27 rangi our starting their own wiki with old instructions 07:26 rangi fly spaghetti monster save us from people helping with bad advice about cron 07:16 dcook Not very useful in the web view but handy when you download as CSV.. 07:12 dcook group_concat using a newline separator so that the SQL report can show multiple values for the patron :D 07:11 dcook Oh...I think I've nearly got it.. 07:09 dcook Well...the public library is open until 8...maybe I can get in an actual test once I finish up this report I'm writing.. 07:08 magnuse ah, i better be more careful with my ++s next time ;-) 07:08 dcook I'm already staying late at work.. 07:08 dcook papa: Almost certainly. If only I weren't so swamped :S. 07:08 dcook For my own bug...:/ 07:07 dcook It was me changing a bug back to signed off from failed qa 07:07 dcook It wasn't legitimate 07:07 dcook Ahh...I see 07:05 papa maybe this is an incentive.. 07:05 * dcook tries to remember 07:05 dcook That doesn't sound right 07:05 dcook I did a sign off? 07:03 magnuse dcook++ papa++ cait++ for doing signoffs 07:02 wahanui gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day 07:02 magnuse gbsd? 07:02 wahanui i think next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day 07:02 magnuse next gbsd? 06:57 dcook lol 06:57 wahanui you are, like, afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza 06:57 magnuse me? 06:57 dcook So I'll still see cait but no one else :o 06:56 dcook 7:55am 06:56 dcook Aha, diagrams.. 06:54 dcook Or 9:55am? 06:54 dcook It will be 7:55am rather than 8:55am in Germany? 06:53 dcook So in October... 06:53 dcook I still have a hard time wrapping my head around this concept.. 06:53 alex_a salut dcook 06:52 dcook bonjour alex_a 06:52 wahanui salut, alex_a 06:52 alex_a hello 06:51 dcook Which actually were only 9 blocks away from each other... 06:50 dcook We actually wound up at different coffee shops with the same name 06:50 dcook Well, actually, she knew that I'd be late because I would forget about the time change 06:50 dcook Made me late for coffee with someone once :p 06:50 magnuse heh 06:50 dcook I've only encountered it...5 times in my life really 06:50 gaetan_B nihau wahanui 06:50 dcook I grew up in Saskatchewan where we don't have daylight savings time 06:50 gaetan_B hi magnuse, dcook 06:50 dcook That's the same back in Canada 06:50 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.3°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 06:50 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 06:50 magnuse ouch 06:50 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse 06:50 magnuse awesome! 06:49 magnuse ooh, *parts* of australia has daylight savings time? 06:49 dcook Hmm, chilly again today.. 06:49 reiveune hi magnuse, dcook :) 06:49 dcook salut gaetan_B, reiveune 06:49 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:49 magnuse @wunder boo 06:49 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (4:30 PM EST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:49 magnuse @wunder sydney, australia 06:48 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 06:48 magnuse @wunder sydney 06:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.0°C (8:45 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 06:48 magnuse @wunder konstanz 06:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:48 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune et gaetan_B 06:48 magnuse dcook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country 06:47 reiveune hello 06:47 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 06:47 gaetan_B hello 06:46 cait bbl 06:46 dcook [off] Just learned that there is a thing called "The Sentinel Chicken Surveillance Program" here in Australia. Can't help but think of chickens pursuing X-men or chickens with rifles and combat boots... 06:44 cait hm takes a bit longer i think 06:44 dcook I keep thinking there's a time when you folks show up earlier than just before I'm supposed to leave :p 06:43 * dcook tries to remember when daylight savings time is around the world 06:42 drojf hi dcook and cait 06:41 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:41 cait hi papa, magnuse and drojf! 06:40 dcook hey ya drojf 06:39 drojf hei magnuse 06:38 magnuse moin drojf 06:37 drojf good morning #koha 06:33 magnuse hiya dcook and papa 06:31 papa hi there 06:31 dcook papa++ 06:31 dcook Hey ya magnuse 06:25 * magnuse waves 06:20 dcook http://dl2sl.org/ looks kind of neat... 06:20 dcook Apparently I'm a bit slow 06:20 dcook Cookie! 05:47 * cait hands you a cookie 05:47 cait hm it started when i came online? 05:44 dcook I wasn't feeling hungry before though.. 05:38 dcook Pretty late 05:35 cait isn't it late for lunch? 05:35 cait probably :) 05:35 * dcook should go eat lunch... 05:35 dcook Hey ya cait 05:05 dcook The default options seem rather horrible 05:05 dcook What web browsers do people use on Linux? 04:44 cjh awesome http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/57956294721/interfacing-with-overdrive-3m-well-pretty-much 04:10 dcook Ah, perhaps I spoke too soon for all the praise... 04:04 dcook hdl++ 04:04 huginn` dcook: Karma for "hdl" has been increased 69 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 68. 04:04 dcook @karma hdl 04:04 dcook Or rather the lines near the bottom 04:03 dcook I so want to give them a highfive 04:03 dcook Whoever designed C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc is awesome. 03:36 dcook C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc looks about right... 03:36 * dcook tries to remember which sub allows you to get an authorized value's description.. 02:46 * druthb waves, and goes to do something else for a bit. 02:45 dcook That second one was for druthb 02:45 dcook :( 02:45 dcook poor rangi :( 02:42 * druthb sets this patch aside for now, in frustration. 02:39 * druthb melts a UNIMARC record... 02:38 gmcharlt druthb is making s'mores! great! 02:37 * druthb grumps s'more. 02:35 wizzyrea hate it when that happens! 02:34 jcamins lol 02:34 rangi i accidentally read a mail 02:34 wizzyrea ? 02:34 rangi aarrrrrgggh 02:32 dcook hehe 02:26 jcamins *Now* I understand: http://geek-and-poke.com/geekandpoke/2013/8/20/naming-is-key 02:24 jcamins druthb++ 02:24 druthb Unsure, wizzyrea; this is from M. Saby's test DB. 02:23 wizzyrea the framework is properly configured? 02:23 dcook druthb++ 02:23 druthb jcamins: Signing off a patch. 02:23 dcook Damn :/ 02:23 druthb dcook: Wasn't that. nuts. 02:22 jcamins druthb: why are you using UNIMARC? 02:20 dcook I've had that happen quite a few times and it ended up being caching 02:20 druthb 'sec. lemme try that. 02:20 dcook Did you clear your cache? 02:19 druthb Set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow", but still can't add a 700 on a UNIMARC. Still locked out. 02:18 dcook :( 02:15 * druthb grumps. 02:15 druthb hrm. 01:54 dcook Perhaps that's a "cross that bridge" when it comes to it.. 01:48 * dcook sighs 01:48 dcook When I say doesn't embrace, IE7 doesn't import the stylesheet if there is a media query attached to the rule. 01:47 dcook Short of using IE specific comments in the HTML, I don't see a way around this.. 01:47 dcook I think...I might be stumped. IE7 doesn't seem to embrace media queries in the @import rule. 01:41 wizzyrea [off] dcook: http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/LC%20RDA%20course%20table.html 01:39 dcook Well, if you want to be accurate :p 01:38 gmcharlt heh 01:38 wizzyrea *A* hunk and *A* sprog. :P 01:38 dcook wizzyrea has all the hunks and sprogs 01:38 * wizzyrea has already done her selecting ;) 01:37 mtj let the selecting of hunks commence! 01:36 dcook Don't like media queries, eh? Jerk... 01:36 dcook ie7-- 01:36 huginn` dcook: Karma for "ie7" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 01:36 dcook @karma ie7 01:32 wizzyrea whaddup 01:32 wahanui wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. 01:32 bag heya wizzyrea 01:31 wizzyrea sprog hehe 01:25 * druthb waves to mtj 01:25 mtj hi! hi! 01:24 bag hey Mason! 01:24 dcook hey ya mtj :) 01:24 * mtj waves to druthb, dcook and bag 01:24 dcook \o/ 01:23 dcook hehe 01:23 bag well with a happy happy girl like Ginny! she makes me laugh and is always happy! 01:22 bag it's the best! 01:22 dcook When I have a sprog, I hope I get to have hometime with them. 01:21 dcook Yay for time with Ginny :) 01:21 bag been busy - and this week - no daycare so I'm with Ginny all week :) :D 01:21 dcook Haven't seen you around in a while 01:20 dcook hey bag 01:20 bag heya druthb and dcook 01:15 dcook \o 01:15 druthb o/ 00:51 dcook ie-- 00:36 dcook Without a doubt, I'm glad to be working on Koha where these things are possible :) 00:34 dcook Baby steps I guess 00:33 dcook And any attempt to migrate that data while preserving all that data will almost necessarily involve copying across some of its not so great conventions as well... 00:33 dcook I suppose it's hard to start fresh when the data isn't fresh. 00:32 dcook Libraries are great (even if they charge you a 1.80 fee for reserves...*grumbles*) 00:32 dcook Certainly not all of it bad :) 00:31 gmcharlt maybe 100+, not all of it bad :) 00:31 dcook Well, maybe 40+ 00:31 dcook Mind you, it's tough breaking out of 50+ years of tradition 00:30 dcook I suppose I wish that more library world people were involved in trying to push ahead as well 00:30 dcook Makes sense 00:30 gmcharlt dcook: to answer your question, yes 00:23 wahanui maybe both are related 00:23 dcook Maybe both.. 00:23 dcook I was rambling to someone about this recently. As a Koha developer, is our job to give people what they want or to push ahead and try to give them what might be good? 00:22 wizzyrea right lunch 00:22 dcook I suppose the requirement gathering is where the real work is 00:22 dcook The subfield selects...those will probably come up 00:22 dcook That's not much work though. I did the extra fields pretty quickly. 00:21 dcook Touché 00:21 wizzyrea to be done 00:21 dcook hehe 00:21 wizzyrea ^ work 00:21 dcook Other than that...a lot of it is frameworks/slight mods of the subfield selects in the XSLTs 00:21 dcook I could submit a patch at some point for the 336, 337, 338, and 264 00:20 dcook If I'm not mistaken, the XSLTs already handle limitless 7xx fields for authors, I think 00:20 dcook Which doesn't really matter in our cases 00:20 dcook Like the rule of three bit and the elimination of standard abbreviations 00:20 dcook To be honest, a lot of RDA seems to do with description rather than encoding 00:19 dcook Well... 00:19 wizzyrea to cope with RDA records 00:19 wizzyrea anyway - there's clearly work to be done there 00:18 dcook Which...yeah...blessing and a curse 00:18 dcook They probably only thought about it from a bibliographic angle 00:18 dcook I'm not sure they thought that far ahead necessarily 00:18 * wizzyrea wonders what storage medium they had in mind - xml maybe? 00:17 dcook (Probably) 00:16 wizzyrea (because I suspect that if they knew the info was available, they would make him/her take it down) 00:16 dcook Which...I suppose is a blessing and a curse 00:16 dcook I noticed the part where they said RDA wasn't designed with MARC in mind 00:16 dcook Yeah? 00:16 wizzyrea talks about that 00:16 wizzyrea whoever did this blog, which I suspect we should archive RIGHT NOW 00:15 dcook Either RDA/AACR2/ISBD or no standard 00:15 wizzyrea I know right! 00:15 dcook Mind you, even if we don't have MARC, we still have RDA 00:15 dcook At least, not yet. 00:15 dcook No one is really offering a viable alternative though 00:14 wizzyrea iti's just so head shakingly bad. 00:14 dcook I've had those same sighs 00:14 wizzyrea meh, not poor me 00:14 dcook Poor wizzyrea 00:14 dcook hehe 00:14 * wizzyrea sighs a lot 00:14 * wizzyrea sighs. 00:13 rangi lemme just build a natural language parser into my opac 00:13 dcook Which is why they had fixed value fields...except people couldn't figure out the codes 00:13 wizzyrea stupid. stupid. stupid. 00:13 wizzyrea yea naw. 00:13 dcook Which isn't likely to work with free text fields 00:13 dcook Yep 00:13 wizzyrea that kind of only works if you are super consistent? 00:13 rangi good luck with that 00:12 wizzyrea These fields are not display fields. Sirsi (or LMxAC) will have to design a way for the information contained in the 336-338 fields to map to a display in the OPAC. 00:12 dcook rangi: Pretty much 00:12 rangi and wasting everyones time and money 00:12 dcook Although personally...they probably would be better used as replacements for fixed field data (since a lot of people don't use the fixed fields as the spec says they should) 00:12 rangi piling more crap on top of crap 00:12 wizzyrea what he said. 00:12 wizzyrea yea exactly 00:12 rangi its a clustefuck 00:11 wizzyrea heh 00:11 dcook LoC displays them and I had a library wanting them displayed though 00:11 dcook "These fields are not display fields." 00:11 dcook http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/10/content-media-and-carrier-fields/ 00:10 wizzyrea that site isn't bad generally 00:09 dcook Hmm, that's not a half-bad blog post 00:06 dcook http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=jscmap1 00:05 dcook Actually, I posted a link to the rdatoolkit where they gave away some info.. 00:05 dcook True enough. Lots of info out there already. 00:04 dcook Yeah, I've used the RDA toolkit a few times and looked at their pricing/user info 00:04 wizzyrea http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/10/specific-changes-from-aacr2-to-rda/ 00:04 rangi you dont buy a copy 00:04 rangi you lease it 00:04 dcook But people can say "we need this" or "we need that" 00:04 rangi resold or transferred. 00:04 rangi The RDA Toolkit may not be 00:04 rangi Neither Licensee nor Authorized Users acquire ownership rights to the RDA Toolkit. 00:04 dcook Oh law... 00:03 dcook Could be 00:03 rangi or, it doesnt have one as draconian as the rda toolkit 00:03 rangi they break their license agreement 00:03 rangi license regardless of subscription mechanism. 00:03 rangi separate Site requires its own RDA Toolkit 00:03 rangi Each 00:03 rangi under the terms and conditions set forth herein. 00:03 rangi RDA Toolkit 00:03 rangi d in 00:03 rangi assignable license to access materials include 00:03 rangi - 00:03 dcook How do people get away with posting AACR2 guidelines at universities? 00:03 rangi transferable, non 00:03 rangi - 00:03 rangi exclusive, non 00:03 rangi - 00:03 rangi Licensor hereby grants to Licensee a non 00:02 rangi nope 00:02 dcook However, what about summaries? 00:02 dcook I can understand not cutting and pasting from licensed documents 00:02 dcook rangi: I've wondered about that 00:02 rangi only record them if the license allows 00:01 * dcook looks at the rdatoolkit pricetag and all the RDA workshop ads. 00:01 dcook As far as I can tell, the average person needs to pay for specifics 00:01 dcook If you do get specifics, it would be great if you could record them somewhere 00:00 dcook Where cataloguers are supposed to only add up to three additional authors in the 7xx fields 00:00 dcook I think RDA might get rid of the "rule of three" for authors 00:00 dcook Mmm, could be 00:00 wizzyrea I'm waiting on specifics