IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-26

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00:02 mtompset[…]ext_Generation%29
00:02 mtompset I still think it is could be you, dcook. ;)
00:02 pianohacker Buenas noches all
00:02 dcook Ok...
00:02 dcook night pianohacker
00:03 mtompset Good night, pianohacker.
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01:55 jcamins Wow.
01:55 jcamins Those orange-mint sugar cookies are magnificent.
01:58 mtompset ARG! What are my two parameters disappearing into thin air?!
01:58 mtompset ^what^why^
01:58 jcamins mtompset: insufficient orange-mint.
01:58 jcamins Fortunately, my cookies do not share that problem.
01:58 mtompset not allowed on my diet. :(
01:59 dcook Mmm orange-mint sugar cookies.
01:59 jcamins You can't have orange-mint?
01:59 mtompset no sugar allowed.
01:59 jcamins Orange-mint is an herb.
01:59 mtompset fake sugars fine, but not sugars.
01:59 mtompset cookies are sugar.
02:00 jcamins Right, but your problem is the lacking orange-mint.
02:00 mtompset also, not allowed fruits in this phase of my diet.
02:00 jcamins No fruit involved.
02:00 mtompset or is orange-mint a particular kind of mint?
02:00 jcamins It's a variety of mint.
02:00 mtompset then I should be allowed that. :)
02:01 mtompset OH SHOOT!
02:01 * dcook 's stomach grumbles.
02:01 mtompset The soft drink I am drinking, I thought was diet.
02:01 dcook :O
02:02 mtompset Now I need to do a strict water only!
02:02 mtompset And exercise like crazy!
02:02 dcook Strict water and exercise probably make sense already
02:02 * dcook says somewhat hypocritically...having not exercised much lately
02:02 dcook There might be 5 soda cans near me as well...
02:02 dcook Usually, I'm a water only sort of person though.
02:03 dcook Well, water and beer
02:03 mtompset ARG! I had 66g of sugar!
02:03 dcook O_o
02:03 dcook Holy crap. What were you drinking?
02:03 dcook I thought a can of soda had ~42g
02:03 dcook cherry coke had exactly 42g
02:03 cjh depends on how large a 'can' is
02:03 dcook American can :)
02:03 dcook 355 ml
02:03 dcook 12 fl oz
02:03 mtompset oh shoot... more.
02:04 cjh dcook: so a small can :p
02:04 dcook cjh: Yep. An imported can ;)
02:04 mtompset curses! My diet is ruined for today.
02:04 dcook Run around the block out of the question?
02:04 dcook Oooh...I should start doing that
02:05 cjh find 12 flights of stairs, that will sort it out.
02:05 dcook There is a racetrack and outdoor gym just across the street from the office
02:05 * dcook runs around the racetrack. Not in it...poor dogs :(
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02:05 dcook \o tcohen
02:05 cjh tcohen: hello there :)
02:05 tcohen hi cjh dcook
02:06 tcohen i've just arrived home, after a two hour tennis match
02:06 cjh nice
02:06 dcook Playing or watching?
02:06 tcohen being here is a symptom of madness
02:06 * dcook has never played tennis, so that might be a ridiculous question
02:06 mtompset Greetings tcohen
02:06 tcohen winning :-D
02:06 dcook :D
02:06 cjh congrats
02:07 dcook Certainly a symptom of madness, but you're in good company ;)
02:07 mtompset so, can anyone explain how a perl function seemingly ignores two parameters passed to it?
02:07 dcook I'd suggest it was a mistake that the coder made :p
02:07 dcook Depends on how you're picking up the parameters?
02:07 dcook shift or @_?
02:07 mtompset it's losing it both ways!
02:08 dcook Sounds bizarre. You're sure it's actually being passed in intact?
02:08 mtompset The print is right after the @_
02:09 dcook Right, but are you printing before you pass it to the function?
02:09 dcook Maybe it's getting "lost" before it makes it there
02:09 cjh mtompset: post the code to a pastebin
02:09 mtompset I'm passing 'stupid' and 'mtompset' as hard coded strings.
02:09 dcook lol
02:09 cjh mtompset:
02:09 dcook Neato
02:11 dcook Not sure, mtompset. I'd have to see it to figure it out.
02:11 dcook jcamins: Do you bake while you code?
02:11 dcook As in, you whip it together and bake it while you work?
02:11 jcamins dcook: sometimes.
02:11 dcook I can't stop thinking about orange-mint sugar cookies now...
02:11 jcamins Not this time because the cookies were kind of high-maintenance.
02:12 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "where is the 'stupid' 'mtompset'?!" (25 lines) at
02:14 mtompset Any ideas?
02:14 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :)
02:15 jcamins Yeah, this came out really well.
02:15 cjh mtompset: are you sure that is the code you are running?
02:16 mtompset I'll put extra prints in... just a second.
02:16 dcook Yeah...I don't see anything for flagsrequired either
02:16 dcook I'm thinking you're running a different checkauth
02:16 dcook I know there are a few
02:16 dcook I beat myself up over that one once
02:17 cjh although if you added that print then it must be the one you think
02:17 cjh my guess was your PERL5LIB was wrong, but that doesn't work if you added the print statement yourself.
02:18 cjh mtompset: since you aren't using shift you could also use Data::Dumper; die Dumper @_;
02:18 mtompset Hmmm.... strange...
02:19 mtompset maybe my isn't the right onw.
02:19 mtompset one.
02:19 cjh it looks like you are seeing the output for some other called to checkauth, I can't see anything wrong with your arg handling or how you are calling it.
02:20 cjh s/called/call/ # my typing is rubbish
02:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:31 mtompset the advantage of sharing code... you can toss everything away, pull back your shared copy and restart. Maybe a fresh look will solve this. :)
02:57 mtompset YES!
02:57 mtompset I'm made a step closer to cleaner code.
02:58 mtompset ^I'm^I've^
02:58 mtompset But clearly my grammar has not.
03:08 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/18/
03:20 mtompset YAY! No more hardcoded ip addresses in my hack. :)
03:35 * dcook wonders who wrote the MARC bibliographic framework test
03:35 dcook These are some...not very helpful warnings
03:36 jcamins dcook: if you have a complaint, I have a guess.
03:36 dcook hehe
03:36 * jcamins was wrong.
03:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
03:38 dcook It probably makes sense...somehow
03:55 dcook Obscure messages almost done..
03:55 dcook I'm sure this one makes some sort of sense: "There is more than 1 MARC tag related to items tab (10) : 952,999,"
03:56 dcook Ah, got it
03:56 dcook Done! ^_^
03:56 dcook With the exception of the biblionumber warning...the rest made sense in the end? Sort of..
03:57 dcook Hmm, still getting a software error...
03:58 wizzyrea what's the error?
03:58 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "When I try to add an item..." (9 lines) at
03:58 dcook But the other one that I noticed first is...
03:59 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "When I try to edit an item..." (3 lines) at
03:59 dcook I figure the framework is quite wonky
04:01 wizzyrea did you remove the mapping to koha item type?
04:01 dcook Something hidden that shouldn't be hidden, me thinks
04:01 wizzyrea deleted more likely
04:01 dcook The mappings look all right from what I can tell
04:01 dcook Both in Koha => Marc mapping, and the framework
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04:09 dcook Nuked the framework and uploaded a new one.
04:09 dcook Problem solved.
04:09 wizzyrea hehe
04:10 wizzyrea much easier than trying to figure out what you've deleted
04:10 wizzyrea :P
04:10 dcook I didn't delete anything :p
04:10 wizzyrea you = the person who did it, not you in the specific
04:10 wizzyrea ^.^
04:10 dcook Ah, yes, well, right then.
04:10 dcook ;)
04:10 wizzyrea easier than trying to figure out what the person who deleted the fields deleted.
04:10 wizzyrea there.
04:10 dcook Actually...
04:11 dcook It might've been that original framework error
04:11 dcook And then it might've been fixed by fixing the framework
04:11 dcook But I didn't flush the cache
04:11 dcook I just did after uploading the new framework as stuff still seemed borked
04:11 wizzyrea ah could be
04:12 dcook Hmm
04:18 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/19/
04:18 dcook Booo
04:18 dcook Go on master_maria!
04:18 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/
04:18 rangi only those failing
04:19 dcook Oooh. Nearly there, eh?
04:19 rangi yep
04:19 rangi (upgrading jenkins now)
04:21 dcook :D
04:21 dcook rangi++
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04:26 dcook wb jenkins_koha :)
04:27 bag evening
04:27 dcook hola bag
04:27 dcook How's life?
04:27 bag heya david
04:27 bag whoops heya dcook
04:27 dcook hehe
04:27 bag going well
04:27 dcook My secret identity revealed!
04:27 bag how about you?
04:27 dcook Not too shabby. It's Friday here :)
04:27 dcook Also had a really nice lunch
04:28 dcook flat rice noodles with chili and basil
04:28 THEawesome whoops secert identity revealed
04:28 THEawesome heh
04:28 dcook :p
04:28 bag ah I had a nice dinner a few hours ago :P
04:29 dcook @wunder santa barbara
04:29 huginn` dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
04:29 bag dcook: it's almost beer time friday there :)
04:29 dcook :D
04:29 bag @wunder sba
04:29 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 17.0°C (8:53 PM PDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
04:29 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
04:29 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (2:00 PM EST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
04:29 dcook I was telling my wife last night that it's going to be colder in Canada after Kohacon than it's here right now
04:30 dcook She looked rather shocked :p
04:30 dcook[…]nov_in_Vancou.htm
04:30 dcook 7 degrees might be a bit of a shock..
04:31 dcook THEawesome, I guess it's already beer o'clock there?
04:32 bag it's 9:30pm
04:32 bag so it's more like whiskey time and bedtime :)
04:33 dcook :D
04:33 dcook How're your ladies doing? Ginny's 1 year slideshow was cute
04:40 dcook mtj: You still alive?
04:44 bag Ginny is doing great
04:44 bag and Sonja just defended her dissertation with success so she is now DR Sonja :)
04:44 bag pretty cool
04:44 bag Sonja++
04:44 bag @karma Sonja
04:44 huginn` bag: Karma for "Sonja" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
04:45 bag nice nice :) way to go Wonja
04:45 bag HA
04:45 bag Sonja
04:45 bag @karma Elizabeth
04:45 huginn` bag: Karma for "Elizabeth" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
04:45 bag :D
04:47 dcook Awesome! That's great to hear :)
04:48 dcook Hmm, I need more vim foo
04:51 dcook These merge conflicts are child's play...this is great
04:58 * dcook would love if this z39.50 authority searching got in
04:58 dcook Both for the functionality and to add 713 insertions to my stats...
05:46 dcook Rar...
05:49 dcook Hmm, I wonder..
05:51 dcook Bloody auto-merge..
05:55 dcook Huzzah
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06:01 MaxSayre Hi folks. Looks a bit quiet. I was just curious if anyone had ever migrated from Bibliotech ( to Koha before. So I can avoid any pitfalls someone else might have come across. :)
06:02 dcook It is pretty quiet at the moment. Alas, I've never done that before, so I'm of no help :/
06:03 MaxSayre No worries. I wasn't expecting a written documentation or a step by step. :)
06:03 MaxSayre Thanks for the response all the same. From the looks of it, importing book data via USMARC/MARC is probably the simplest way to go.
06:04 dcook Well, not so much simplest as only really
06:05 MaxSayre Ha. Yeah. Well, that too.
06:05 dcook I haven't checked the link but does Bibliotech have MARC exports?
06:05 MaxSayre Sorta.
06:05 MaxSayre Not exactly.
06:05 dcook If you can only export a CSV, you can either use MarcEdit, your own customized script, or...
06:05 MaxSayre Yeah. MarcEdit was going to be my choice.
06:05 dcook There is a "" script out there somewhere too
06:06 MaxSayre My concern is that of patrons who have existing books out though. ie, students who don't return them before summer.
06:06 MaxSayre I assume the solution is print a list and refer to it until it's clear? hah
06:07 dcook To be honest, that's something I've wondered about myself
06:07 MaxSayre I was considering the migration mid-year and wasn't sure how to handle that. Importing patrons, yes. Importing books, yes. Keeping track of books already checked out.... ehhhhhh
06:08 dcook It might be worth posing that question to the listserv
06:08 dcook I'd love to know the answer as well
06:08 MaxSayre I haven't found a way (yet) to say... csv... UserX has BookX, BookY, BookZ... etc etc etc
06:09 MaxSayre Not a bad idea.
06:09 dcook Hmm
06:09 dcook There wouldn't be any way to do it in the MARC data (afaik)
06:09 dcook However, you might be able to do a custom script after the fact
06:10 dcook So long as you're able to retain some sort of identifier between your items in the old system and in Koha
06:10 dcook So that you could load up User X has BookX, BookY, BookZ
06:10 dcook Then scan Koha for those items and check them out to those borrowers programmatically
06:10 dcook I've never heard of anyone doing that,'d be one way...and maybe someone does that
06:11 MaxSayre Well, I was thinking more a of a CSV assignment than actually going back through to re-check them out.
06:11 dcook Hmm, actually, that might work...
06:11 dcook Consider this...
06:12 dcook How to explain..
06:12 dcook In the end, your items are going to exist as 952 tags in MARCXML
06:12 dcook Perhaps you could include a non-standard subfield that contains a patron identifer
06:13 dcook Then, after you upload into the run a script that loops through your items and performs the checkouts
06:13 MaxSayre That's a possibility.
06:13 dcook I mean...I guess you wouldn't have to do that...but then you would have data in the system
06:13 dcook Saying X has Y until ZZZZ
06:13 dcook But I probably wouldn't listen to me :p
06:13 MaxSayre Ha.
06:13 dcook How many items are you looking at?
06:13 MaxSayre I hadn't even considered the date.
06:14 MaxSayre I'm not sure I care when they're due as long as we know who has them out.
06:14 MaxSayre Honestly, probably not so many.
06:14 MaxSayre But I'm going to be migrating 4 schools (I hope), so streamlining that process would be useful.
06:14 dcook Oh snap...
06:14 MaxSayre If it was only the once... meh, I'd probably do it by hand.
06:14 dcook There is a "q" subfield for "checked out"
06:15 dcook So you can at least flag that the item is checked out
06:15 MaxSayre HA
06:15 MaxSayre But to a particular patron? :P
06:15 dcook Although your system might act oddly if you use that..
06:15 dcook Nope
06:15 dcook Probably a date
06:15 dcook 4 schools? Sounds like more than a few things then
06:16 MaxSayre If I had to give the librarian(s) a list of a checked out books, it could be done.
06:16 MaxSayre Just more manual labor.
06:16 dcook That's probably your best bet
06:16 dcook But...put it to the lists
06:16 dcook[…]ha-mailing-lists/
06:16 MaxSayre 2000 kids, roughly.
06:16 dcook Specifically koha-devel
06:16 MaxSayre Yeah, I just Googled those. :P
06:16 dcook http://lists.koha-community.or[…]stinfo/koha-devel
06:16 dcook MaxSayre++
06:17 MaxSayre Hah. Gold star on my jacket from a teacher the other day. I must be doing something right. :P
06:18 dcook \o/
06:18 dcook Whereabouts are these schools?
06:18 MaxSayre Anyway, thanks for the help. Brainstorming is always better with more than one person. Hah.
06:18 MaxSayre Melbourne area.
06:19 dcook Cool :)
06:19 * dcook is up in Sydney
06:19 dcook You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
06:19 MaxSayre I'm only here for a few more weeks? Then moving to the UK. Hah.
06:19 dcook Are the schools running Koha themselves?
06:20 MaxSayre Nah. No worries. Talking to someone always sparks some good ideas.
06:20 MaxSayre Not yet, but will be. I'll just run up a new VM.
06:21 MaxSayre Was considering Active Directory integration, but the manual on that says "good luck"... so it's not an exciting idea. :P
06:21 dcook hehe
06:21 MaxSayre You have someone running Koha some where?
06:21 dcook Interesting. I'm always interested in institutions running their own Koha.
06:22 dcook We just recently did an Active Directory integration. It was...interesting
06:22 dcook I work for one of the paid support companies
06:22 MaxSayre The Bibliotech system hasn't been updated since 2009 and the schools pay licensing... and the support isn't all that great... meh.
06:22 dcook We have a lot of someones running Koha
06:22 MaxSayre Ah. Fair enough.
06:22 dcook Ah, well, I'm glad they're switching to Koha
06:22 MaxSayre Hiccups with the AD?
06:22 dcook Much better system and much better support :)
06:23 MaxSayre It's an option, and the best one so far.
06:23 dcook I think the issue with AD was the LDAP.
06:23 MaxSayre One of the schools I worked with opted for their own choice and it's just as out of date as Bibliotech, so, meh.
06:23 MaxSayre Ah.
06:23 dcook Mostly configuration stuff with passwords and somethign else with account generation, I think
06:23 dcook Mmm, well, Koha has a solid past, present, and future
06:24 MaxSayre Yeah, I noticed that.
06:24 dcook So you're setting them up and then they'll maintain it themselves?
06:24 MaxSayre The whole active development thing is a big encouragment.
06:24 dcook They have their own in-house IT folks?
06:24 dcook I know, right? ;)
06:24 MaxSayre I am the in-house IT.
06:24 dcook But you're moving to the UK
06:24 dcook Are you telecommuting or is someone new coming in?
06:24 MaxSayre I'm getting replaced. :P
06:24 dcook Whew
06:25 dcook I'd feel bad if they were left without no one
06:25 MaxSayre I'm sure they'll live. Hah.
06:25 dcook Well, it can be tough for non-tech people to upgrade and manage it
06:25 dcook What OS did you use and what installation method?
06:25 * dcook is just asking out of curiosity
06:26 MaxSayre What's the average disk usage for a running Koha install?
06:26 MaxSayre I haven't installed it yet. Though Ubuntu? Debian? Either. I don't really mind.
06:26 dcook Glad to hear that you're choosing either Ubuntu or Debian
06:26 dcook A package install, I hope?
06:26 dcook Makes life 100x easier
06:26 MaxSayre apt-get update? :P
06:26 * dcook thumbs up
06:26 dcook Not sure about the disk usage
06:26 dcook It depends on a few factors
06:27 dcook The indexing can eat up quite a bit of space if you have a lot of records
06:27 dcook Although I think that's temporary space
06:27 MaxSayre 10GB? 20GB? 100GB?
06:27 dcook I do think it depends on your records
06:28 MaxSayre Koha minimum specs are much more reasonable than some of the other options. One of them wanted 100GB, 4 cores, and 8GB of RAM minimum.
06:28 MaxSayre Of course.
06:28 dcook If you have 600,000+ records, I think you need over 20GB
06:28 dcook There was an email circulating around recently about that topic
06:28 MaxSayre I'm fairly sure we don't have that many books. Hah.
06:28 dcook Yeah, Koha can run on pretty basic stuff
06:28 dcook I have a little desktop at home with Koha on it
06:28 MaxSayre Well, *nix.
06:29 dcook Actually, I have a VM open right now with...2 gb of ram, 1 core, and...maybe 100 gb
06:29 dcook Wait, make that 10gb
06:29 dcook :p
06:29 MaxSayre Heh
06:29 dcook But I just use that for code development
06:29 MaxSayre Yeah, look, I can always make the disk bigger. That's not really an issue.
06:29 dcook It has maybe 100 records, I think
06:29 dcook Well there you go :)
06:30 dcook I don't know if "average" really applies to Koha
06:30 dcook Its user base is too diverse
06:30 MaxSayre But AD doesn't need 8GB of RAM for 200 machines, so when the library needs it... kinda overkill.
06:30 dcook We all have different ideas of normal
06:30 dcook What sort of system wanted that?
06:30 MaxSayre v-Library.
06:31 MaxSayre and the interface is awful.
06:31 MaxSayre Koha can at least look pretty. Though I wouldn't mind a slightly easier themeing option. Heh
06:32 MaxSayre It's kinda scary. Heh
06:32 MaxSayre Migrating to phone for the trip home...
06:34 dcook There's been a fair bit of discussion about themes as well
06:34 dcook the CCSR interface is pretty good in terms of responsive design. There is also work being done to add Bootstrap to the OPAC
06:35 dcook As for themeing...most can be done with CSS and JScript, but would be nice if there were easier options.
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06:36 christophe_c hello #koha
06:36 MaxSayre I'm not so much a graphic designer. would just love to see some generic ones.
06:36 MaxSayre Heya.
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06:38 reiveune hello
06:38 dcook salut christophe_c et reiveune :)
06:39 reiveune salut dcook :)
06:39 MaxSayre I imagine one day a bunch of themes like WordPress. just download and install. not fancy, but at least flexible. :)
06:39 christophe_c bonjour dcook ;-)
06:39 dcook MaxSayre: Yeah, a few people (including myself) have mentioned that as well. If you're ever looking for a could put in a themeing mechanism ;)
06:41 MaxSayre free time and me aren't really friends, but if something works out. :P
06:42 dcook hehe
06:42 dcook I know the feeling
06:42 dcook Even though I get paid to work on Koha for clients, I still try to volunteer in my free time
06:42 dcook But it's tough :/
06:42 dcook Some people are amazing at it though and they're the core members of the community
06:44 MaxSayre FOSS <3
06:44 MaxSayre OSS too, but a little less. hah
06:45 dcook hehe
06:45 dcook Yeah, I'm quite the FOSS fan
06:45 dcook I'm a librarian turned developer, so I tend to advocate FOSS pretty hard for libraries
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06:46 dcook hey ya cait!
06:46 dcook Wait a minute...
06:46 MaxSayre it's a good polIcy.
06:46 cait hi dcook
06:46 dcook You said you weren't going to work, cait :P
06:46 cait iam not working
06:46 cait just saying hi
06:46 dcook :)
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06:46 cait moin drojf
06:48 MaxSayre Anyway, off to the land of lurking. Thanks for the chat!
06:49 dcook No worries. Good luck with the migration!
06:49 dcook morning drojf
06:52 cait hi matts
06:58 matts hi !
07:03 cait :)
07:03 cait @wunder Reutlingen
07:03 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 20.1°C (9:03 AM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
07:05 cait @wunder Upfingen
07:05 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
07:05 cait thought so
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07:10 druthb @wunder 77063
07:10 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (2:10 AM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
07:13 drojf morning
07:13 * drojf yawns
07:13 drojf a lot
07:13 drojf oh look, there are skittles everywhere
07:14 druthb drojf!
07:15 drojf druthb!
07:15 * druthb chucks skittles at her second-favorite German, to wake him up.
07:15 drojf that will help ;)
07:15 druthb :D
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07:16 druthb oooh.  two caits!
07:17 cait_ hmpf
07:17 * druthb leaves the zombie one for drojf and #koha, and runs away with the fresh one.
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07:20 cait_ lol
07:20 cait_ help i am kidnapped
07:21 druthb caitnapping!
07:22 cait_ hm nap
07:22 drojf lol
07:23 druthb hm.  that actually sounds like a good idea.
07:23 * druthb heads for bed.
07:24 dcook Eeep! I'm late I'm late I'm late for an important date
07:24 dcook Toodles #koha
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07:25 gaetan_B hello
07:59 drojf every damn time someone talks about the MARC leader i have to think of this
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09:21 cjh goodbye internet, see you all Monday
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10:49 bigbrovar_ Hi guys, trying to import biblio records from spreedsheet to koha via marc edit.. here is a copy of the spreedsheet[…]k1TY2c/edit?pli=1 I have mapped each columns to the relevant marc tags and also have columns for koha holding tags in 952
10:51 bigbrovar_ however after mapping and importing the marcedit generated mrc file to koha. I noticed all the items have multiple holdings (8 holdings to be exact) I don't know what I am doing wrong :/
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12:22 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:03 oleonard Bug 10649
13:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10649 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory
13:03 oleonard Somebody stop me if that sounds stupid.
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13:35 oleonard This is a good day to get consent for harebrained schemes based on silence.
13:37 * druthb doesn't think oleonard's scheme is all that hare-brained.
13:37 oleonard I'm just sayin'
13:38 druthb doo eeet.
13:39 oleonard A patch will be ready as soon as I finish this commit message. Two hours or so.
13:39 tcohen upgrading UNC 3.8 > 3.12 its like
13:39 tcohen for i in $(cat instances) ; do koha-create --use-db $i ; done ; koha-upgrade-schema $(koha-list)
13:40 tcohen voila
13:40 tcohen still can't belive it
13:40 tcohen #kohails rocks
13:40 jcamins Yeah, pretty amazing.
13:41 tcohen (of course I already have my passwd file and DBs loaded on their new home)
13:41 oleonard @seen khall
13:41 huginn` oleonard: khall was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <khall> is this as good a place to start as any?
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14:22 gmcharlt @quote random
14:22 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
14:22 gmcharlt always a relief
14:23 druthb @quote random
14:23 huginn` druthb: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011)
14:23 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:25 oleonard What git command will show me a list of revisions similar to what the "history" link in gitweb shows?
14:27 gmcharlt oleonard:  git log --abbrev-commit --pretty=short path/to/file
14:27 gmcharlt does most of it
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14:28 vfernandes hi :)
14:29 vfernandes guys today I've detected that /intranet/cgi-bin/patroncards/ isn't in koha tar.gz
14:29 vfernandes where I can get that file?
14:30 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt
14:31 * oleonard can't figure out why git mv doesn't seem to be copying over a file's history
14:33 gmcharlt oleonard: try adding the --follow switch to your git log invocation
14:33 oleonard Is the "--follow" required to track across moves?
14:34 gmcharlt yes
14:36 gmcharlt oleonard: and to more fully emulate gitweb:
14:36 gmcharlt git log --follow --date=short --abbrev-commit --pretty=format:"%h%x09%ad%x09%an%x09%s"
14:36 vfernandes anyone?
14:36 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
14:36 gmcharlt vfernandes: whcih version of the tarball?
14:37 vfernandes 3.12
14:42 gmcharlt vfernandes: I just downloaded the latest 3.12.2 tarball, and it does contain patroncards/
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14:48 vfernandes yes it is... by some reason the .pl wasn't in the folder... solved... another problem
14:48 vfernandes install Graphics::Manager
14:49 oleonard vfernandes: Are you in a situation which requires you to choose the tarball over a package installation?
14:51 vfernandes oleonard I always install Koha by downloading tar.gz from repository and install it manually because I've to work with very diferent SO
14:51 vfernandes now I need to install graphics::magick in ubuntu
14:51 oleonard "SO" ?
14:52 vfernandes OS... sorry... ubuntu, opensuse, centos, etc...
14:53 oleonard I see. Sounds difficult... or tedious at the very least.
14:56 vfernandes now I need to isntall graphics::magick in ubuntu
15:08 reiveune bye
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15:38 gaetan_B bye !
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16:22 jcamins Do we have a guide for getting started as a translator?
16:37 gmcharlt jcamins: 1. For best results, arrange to be born in a country with a tradition of multilingualism...
16:38 jcamins gmcharlt: heh.
16:38 oleonard D'oh!
16:39 gmcharlt seriously, maybe[…]/Translating_Koha, but that doesn't have enough detail to be a soup-to-nuts intro
16:40 jcamins Yeah, that's all I saw, and it doesn't really give a whole lot of instruction on where to get started if you are not a developer.
16:42 jcamins So I said "register an account on Pootle, and take a look around.
16:43 jcamins "
16:43 jcamins And I'll provide more detailed instructions if necessary.
16:45 oleonard So you found someone who wants to do a translation jcamins?
16:47 jcamins oleonard: yeah, one of my librarians might contribute to the Greek translation.
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19:15 drojf evening
19:15 oleonard Hi drojf
19:15 drojf hey oleonard
19:15 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:19 drojf so what's new in kohaland?
19:21 drojf that is not much ;)
19:22 oleonard That's about it drojf. It's a ghost town in here today.
19:22 drojf i blame holiday cait
19:44 druthb hi, drojf! :)
19:44 drojf druthb! :)
19:45 * jcamins chucks skittles at druthb.
19:45 drojf lol
19:45 druthb !
19:45 druthb you're supposed to chuck *cookies*, jcamins.
19:45 druthb Via USPS Priority, please.
19:45 jcamins Hehe.
19:45 jcamins You'll be getting cookies soon, too. :)
19:46 druthb :D
19:48 * druthb chucks skittles at jcamins and drojf.
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19:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:52 druthb how convenient.
19:52 * druthb chucks skittles at mtompset, too.
19:52 mtompset too?
19:52 wahanui it has been said that too is impatient.
19:52 mtompset wahanui forget too
19:52 wahanui mtompset: I forgot too
19:53 druthb I just chucked some at drojf and jcamins, too, right before you showed up.
19:53 mtompset Are you a violent person, and skittle chucking is your only release?
19:54 * druthb remembers her past, and debates a way to answer that question without scaring people.
19:54 drojf o.O
19:54 druthb I used to have a moderately-wild temper.
19:56 * pianohacker holds tongue
19:56 druthb back years ago, I conquered that monster; a good meditation practice, and a lot of self-examination did me a whole lot of good.
19:56 drojf i prefer getting chucked skittles at over, say, a bar stool ;)
19:57 oleonard You can't get a good wind-up at that distance drojf
20:00 drojf heh
20:02 druthb I never hurt anyone—well, anyone *else*—with my temper.  But it was kind of stunning when people saw it; they truly did not expect that of me, as my public persona has always been very passive.
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20:07 drojf so chucking skittles is what remained? ;)
20:07 mtompset Poor skittles. druthb abuses them regularly.
20:08 drojf omg. it sounds like… rain?
20:08 mtompset :P
20:08 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
20:08 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.8°C (9:42 PM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:08 mtompset @wunder toronto, canada
20:08 drojf weid
20:08 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 22.0°C (4:00 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
20:08 drojf weird even
20:09 drojf hmm maybe a neighbour watering the plants?
20:15 oleonard have a good weekend #koha
20:15 drojf you too oleonard
20:15 drojf ha, once before he quit
20:18 mtompset So, druthb did you get the chocolate you needed?
20:18 druthb yes.
20:18 druthb :)
20:18 drojf so… i can connect with a sip account to asterisk on the raspi from a browser. unfortunately i can't from the firefox os browser and now i fear that webrtc is just not ready there… :O
20:20 drojf Stage Planning   Status In progress
20:20 drojf meh
20:20 drojf Release target Phase 1 - TBD (first release planned this year, 2012) <- lol
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20:40 rambutan @wunder 64507
20:40 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 29.3°C (3:40 PM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
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21:10 pianohacker drojf: ?
21:13 drojf pianohacker: looks like 1) the mozilla wiki is very outdated 2) firefox os does not support webrtc so i can't use sip telephony on my phone
21:13 jcamins drojf: really? That seems like a rather crucial feature.
21:14 drojf that's what i thought
21:14 pianohacker drojf: heh, "Note: Much of this content is out of date. We will be updating it soon
21:19 jcamins You know, there are a lot of people making mobile phones with new technology... wouldn't investing that $32m in a platform that exists have made more sense?
21:19 drojf heh
21:20 jcamins Sorry, sorry! Logic asserted itself briefly there.
21:20 jcamins I didn't mean for it to, it just sort of happened.
21:20 jcamins @wunder 11375
21:20 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 27.0°C (5:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
21:21 drojf what plattform would that have been? android?
21:21 jcamins drojf: I was thinking FirefoxOS.
21:22 drojf the platform that exists?
21:22 drojf it obvioulsy exists only to a certain degree ;)
21:23 drojf unfortunately i don't understand the mozilla bugtracker at all so nobody knows when it will work i guess
21:24 jcamins drojf: it'd exist a lot more fully if people invested $32m into it.
21:24 drojf i would have expected an os that is build after a browser to have soime of the cool features of that browser
21:24 drojf built
21:25 drojf at least in its browser ^^
21:26 drojf jcamins: i think i am confused about what $32m you are talking
21:26 drojf i thought you meant mozilla invested that in building fxos and should have put it into somethng that already exists
21:26 jcamins drojf: Ubuntu phone.
21:27 jcamins A F/OSS project just created a new fully-F/OSS phone.
21:27 drojf AH!
21:27 drojf i forgot about ubuntu :)
21:27 jcamins They got a staggering amount of money so far, too.
21:28 drojf investing in something other people started would not lead to one shuttleworth to rule them all i suppose
21:28 drojf i bet it will have nice amazon integration and other shopsy stuff
21:29 jcamins Heh.
21:29 drojf as if there wasn't enough notreallyfree linux on phones already :/
21:29 drojf woah, now it's really raining
21:29 drojf at first i thought someone was chucking skittles at me
21:48 drojf "resource://jid1-xufzosoflzsoxg-at-j​etpack/api-utils/lib/cuddlefish.js"
21:48 drojf oops
21:51 drojf the unimarc bugs are clogging up that old bugs section
21:52 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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22:01 drojf bug 10610 has a great title
22:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , sysprefs.sql is really boring to rebase
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22:20 tcohen is there a way to report what permissions does a patron have?
22:21 gmcharlt tcohen: I think there's one or two examples in the SQL library
22:22 tcohen what's the relation between user_permissions and flags?
22:22 gmcharlt tenous
22:22 gmcharlt :)
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22:23 gmcharlt more seriously, flags came first and is a bitmap, where each position controlled access to a broad module
22:23 gmcharlt user_permissions was bolted on later
22:23 tcohen and they have never been merged
22:23 gmcharlt and module_bit in user_permissions correspods to the bit position in flags for the corresponding module
22:25 tcohen if my database has an empty user_permissions table, what does it mean?
22:26 gmcharlt all of your patrons/users have top-level permissions and were never assigned any sub-permissions
22:30 gmcharlt as a historical note, there used to be a syspref called GranularPermissions that controlled whether subpermissions could be used or were hidden
22:30 tcohen you're all crazy
22:30 tcohen heh
22:31 gmcharlt given enough time, without constant viigilence, all people^Wcodebases become crazy ;)
22:32 tcohen i'm pretty sure you're right
22:35 tcohen so, to make a report (for some audit tasks) i need to: check if there are module-level permissions at user_permissions, and otherwise check borrowers.flags
22:50 tcohen gmcharlt: do u know why perms are binded to userid instead of borrowernumber?
22:53 gmcharlt say what?
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22:58 tcohen i'm sorry, thinking loudly
22:59 tcohen the param for the call get_user_subpermissions is userid instead of borrowernumber, and it was kind of weird to read
23:01 gmcharlt legacy -- haspermission, for example, has always used userid
23:21 tcohen is that bitmap method sound?
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