Time Nick Message 00:02 mtompset http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_and_Effect_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29 00:02 mtompset I still think it is could be you, dcook. ;) 00:02 pianohacker Buenas noches all 00:02 dcook Ok... 00:02 dcook night pianohacker 00:03 mtompset Good night, pianohacker. 01:55 jcamins Wow. 01:55 jcamins Those orange-mint sugar cookies are magnificent. 01:58 mtompset ARG! What are my two parameters disappearing into thin air?! 01:58 mtompset ^what^why^ 01:58 jcamins mtompset: insufficient orange-mint. 01:58 jcamins Fortunately, my cookies do not share that problem. 01:58 mtompset not allowed on my diet. :( 01:59 dcook Mmm orange-mint sugar cookies. 01:59 jcamins You can't have orange-mint? 01:59 mtompset no sugar allowed. 01:59 jcamins Orange-mint is an herb. 01:59 mtompset fake sugars fine, but not sugars. 01:59 mtompset cookies are sugar. 02:00 jcamins Right, but your problem is the lacking orange-mint. 02:00 mtompset also, not allowed fruits in this phase of my diet. 02:00 jcamins No fruit involved. 02:00 mtompset or is orange-mint a particular kind of mint? 02:00 jcamins It's a variety of mint. 02:00 mtompset then I should be allowed that. :) 02:01 mtompset OH SHOOT! 02:01 * dcook 's stomach grumbles. 02:01 mtompset The soft drink I am drinking, I thought was diet. 02:01 dcook :O 02:02 mtompset Now I need to do a strict water only! 02:02 mtompset And exercise like crazy! 02:02 dcook Strict water and exercise probably make sense already 02:02 * dcook says somewhat hypocritically...having not exercised much lately 02:02 dcook There might be 5 soda cans near me as well... 02:02 dcook Usually, I'm a water only sort of person though. 02:03 dcook Well, water and beer 02:03 mtompset ARG! I had 66g of sugar! 02:03 dcook O_o 02:03 dcook Holy crap. What were you drinking? 02:03 dcook I thought a can of soda had ~42g 02:03 dcook Wow...my cherry coke had exactly 42g 02:03 cjh depends on how large a 'can' is 02:03 dcook American can :) 02:03 dcook 355 ml 02:03 dcook 12 fl oz 02:03 mtompset oh shoot... more. 02:04 cjh dcook: so a small can :p 02:04 dcook cjh: Yep. An imported can ;) 02:04 mtompset curses! My diet is ruined for today. 02:04 dcook Run around the block out of the question? 02:04 dcook Oooh...I should start doing that 02:05 cjh find 12 flights of stairs, that will sort it out. 02:05 dcook There is a racetrack and outdoor gym just across the street from the office 02:05 * dcook runs around the racetrack. Not in it...poor dogs :( 02:05 dcook \o tcohen 02:05 cjh tcohen: hello there :) 02:05 tcohen hi cjh dcook 02:06 tcohen i've just arrived home, after a two hour tennis match 02:06 cjh nice 02:06 dcook Playing or watching? 02:06 tcohen being here is a symptom of madness 02:06 * dcook has never played tennis, so that might be a ridiculous question 02:06 mtompset Greetings tcohen 02:06 tcohen winning :-D 02:06 dcook :D 02:06 cjh congrats 02:07 dcook Certainly a symptom of madness, but you're in good company ;) 02:07 mtompset so, can anyone explain how a perl function seemingly ignores two parameters passed to it? 02:07 dcook I'd suggest it was a mistake that the coder made :p 02:07 dcook Depends on how you're picking up the parameters? 02:07 dcook shift or @_? 02:07 mtompset it's losing it both ways! 02:08 dcook Sounds bizarre. You're sure it's actually being passed in intact? 02:08 mtompset The print is right after the @_ 02:09 dcook Right, but are you printing before you pass it to the function? 02:09 dcook Maybe it's getting "lost" before it makes it there 02:09 cjh mtompset: post the code to a pastebin 02:09 mtompset I'm passing 'stupid' and 'mtompset' as hard coded strings. 02:09 dcook lol 02:09 cjh mtompset: ideone.com 02:09 dcook Neato 02:11 dcook Not sure, mtompset. I'd have to see it to figure it out. 02:11 dcook jcamins: Do you bake while you code? 02:11 dcook As in, you whip it together and bake it while you work? 02:11 jcamins dcook: sometimes. 02:11 dcook I can't stop thinking about orange-mint sugar cookies now... 02:11 jcamins Not this time because the cookies were kind of high-maintenance. 02:12 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "where is the 'stupid' 'mtompset'?!" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/136 02:14 mtompset Any ideas? 02:14 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :) 02:15 jcamins Yeah, this came out really well. 02:15 cjh mtompset: are you sure that is the code you are running? 02:16 mtompset I'll put extra prints in... just a second. 02:16 dcook Yeah...I don't see anything for flagsrequired either 02:16 dcook I'm thinking you're running a different checkauth 02:16 dcook I know there are a few 02:16 dcook I beat myself up over that one once 02:17 cjh although if you added that print then it must be the one you think 02:17 cjh my guess was your PERL5LIB was wrong, but that doesn't work if you added the print statement yourself. 02:18 cjh mtompset: since you aren't using shift you could also use Data::Dumper; die Dumper @_; 02:18 mtompset Hmmm.... strange... 02:19 mtompset maybe my hack.pl isn't the right onw. 02:19 mtompset one. 02:19 cjh it looks like you are seeing the output for some other called to checkauth, I can't see anything wrong with your arg handling or how you are calling it. 02:20 cjh s/called/call/ # my typing is rubbish 02:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 02:31 mtompset the advantage of sharing code... you can toss everything away, pull back your shared copy and restart. Maybe a fresh look will solve this. :) 02:57 mtompset YES! 02:57 mtompset I'm made a step closer to cleaner code. 02:58 mtompset ^I'm^I've^ 02:58 mtompset But clearly my grammar has not. 03:08 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/18/ 03:20 mtompset YAY! No more hardcoded ip addresses in my hack. :) 03:35 * dcook wonders who wrote the MARC bibliographic framework test 03:35 dcook These are some...not very helpful warnings 03:36 jcamins dcook: if you have a complaint, I have a guess. 03:36 dcook hehe 03:36 * jcamins was wrong. 03:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 03:38 dcook It probably makes sense...somehow 03:40 dcook [off] Mind you, if the framework weren't butchered, I might not need the test... 03:55 dcook Obscure messages almost done.. 03:55 dcook I'm sure this one makes some sort of sense: "There is more than 1 MARC tag related to items tab (10) : 952,999," 03:56 dcook Ah, got it 03:56 dcook Done! ^_^ 03:56 dcook With the exception of the biblionumber warning...the rest made sense in the end? Sort of.. 03:57 dcook Hmm, still getting a software error... 03:58 wizzyrea what's the error? 03:58 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "When I try to add an item..." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/137 03:58 dcook But the other one that I noticed first is... 03:59 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "When I try to edit an item..." (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/138 03:59 dcook I figure the framework is quite wonky 04:01 wizzyrea did you remove the mapping to koha item type? 04:01 dcook Something hidden that shouldn't be hidden, me thinks 04:01 wizzyrea deleted more likely 04:01 dcook The mappings look all right from what I can tell 04:01 dcook Both in Koha => Marc mapping, and the framework 04:09 dcook Nuked the framework and uploaded a new one. 04:09 dcook Problem solved. 04:09 wizzyrea hehe 04:10 wizzyrea much easier than trying to figure out what you've deleted 04:10 wizzyrea :P 04:10 dcook I didn't delete anything :p 04:10 wizzyrea you = the person who did it, not you in the specific 04:10 wizzyrea ^.^ 04:10 dcook Ah, yes, well, right then. 04:10 dcook ;) 04:10 wizzyrea easier than trying to figure out what the person who deleted the fields deleted. 04:10 wizzyrea there. 04:10 dcook Actually... 04:11 dcook It might've been that original framework error 04:11 dcook And then it might've been fixed by fixing the framework 04:11 dcook But I didn't flush the cache 04:11 dcook I just did after uploading the new framework as stuff still seemed borked 04:11 wizzyrea ah could be 04:12 dcook Hmm 04:18 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/19/ 04:18 dcook Booo 04:18 dcook Go on master_maria! 04:18 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 04:18 rangi only those failing 04:19 dcook Oooh. Nearly there, eh? 04:19 rangi yep 04:19 rangi (upgrading jenkins now) 04:21 dcook :D 04:21 dcook rangi++ 04:26 dcook wb jenkins_koha :) 04:27 bag evening 04:27 dcook hola bag 04:27 dcook How's life? 04:27 bag heya david 04:27 bag whoops heya dcook 04:27 dcook hehe 04:27 bag going well 04:27 dcook My secret identity revealed! 04:27 bag how about you? 04:27 dcook Not too shabby. It's Friday here :) 04:27 dcook Also had a really nice lunch 04:28 dcook flat rice noodles with chili and basil 04:28 THEawesome whoops secert identity revealed 04:28 THEawesome heh 04:28 dcook :p 04:28 bag ah I had a nice dinner a few hours ago :P 04:29 dcook @wunder santa barbara 04:29 huginn` dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 04:29 bag dcook: it's almost beer time friday there :) 04:29 dcook :D 04:29 bag @wunder sba 04:29 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 17.0°C (8:53 PM PDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 04:29 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 04:29 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (2:00 PM EST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 04:29 dcook I was telling my wife last night that it's going to be colder in Canada after Kohacon than it's here right now 04:30 dcook She looked rather shocked :p 04:30 dcook http://gocanada.about.com/od/monthbymonthvancouver/p/nov_in_Vancou.htm 04:30 dcook 7 degrees might be a bit of a shock.. 04:31 dcook THEawesome, I guess it's already beer o'clock there? 04:32 bag it's 9:30pm 04:32 bag so it's more like whiskey time and bedtime :) 04:33 dcook :D 04:33 dcook How're your ladies doing? Ginny's 1 year slideshow was cute 04:40 dcook mtj: You still alive? 04:44 bag Ginny is doing great 04:44 bag and Sonja just defended her dissertation with success so she is now DR Sonja :) 04:44 bag pretty cool 04:44 bag Sonja++ 04:44 bag @karma Sonja 04:44 huginn` bag: Karma for "Sonja" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 04:45 bag nice nice :) way to go Wonja 04:45 bag HA 04:45 bag Sonja 04:45 bag @karma Elizabeth 04:45 huginn` bag: Karma for "Elizabeth" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 04:45 bag :D 04:47 dcook Awesome! That's great to hear :) 04:48 dcook Hmm, I need more vim foo 04:51 dcook These merge conflicts are child's play...this is great 04:58 * dcook would love if this z39.50 authority searching got in 04:58 dcook Both for the functionality and to add 713 insertions to my stats... 05:46 dcook Rar... 05:49 dcook Hmm, I wonder.. 05:51 dcook Bloody auto-merge.. 05:55 dcook Huzzah 06:01 MaxSayre Hi folks. Looks a bit quiet. I was just curious if anyone had ever migrated from Bibliotech (http://v8.bibliotech.com.au/) to Koha before. So I can avoid any pitfalls someone else might have come across. :) 06:02 dcook It is pretty quiet at the moment. Alas, I've never done that before, so I'm of no help :/ 06:03 MaxSayre No worries. I wasn't expecting a written documentation or a step by step. :) 06:03 MaxSayre Thanks for the response all the same. From the looks of it, importing book data via USMARC/MARC is probably the simplest way to go. 06:04 dcook Well, not so much simplest as only really 06:05 MaxSayre Ha. Yeah. Well, that too. 06:05 dcook I haven't checked the link but does Bibliotech have MARC exports? 06:05 MaxSayre Sorta. 06:05 MaxSayre Not exactly. 06:05 dcook If you can only export a CSV, you can either use MarcEdit, your own customized script, or... 06:05 MaxSayre Yeah. MarcEdit was going to be my choice. 06:05 dcook There is a "csvtomarc.pl" script out there somewhere too 06:06 MaxSayre My concern is that of patrons who have existing books out though. ie, students who don't return them before summer. 06:06 MaxSayre I assume the solution is print a list and refer to it until it's clear? hah 06:07 dcook To be honest, that's something I've wondered about myself 06:07 MaxSayre I was considering the migration mid-year and wasn't sure how to handle that. Importing patrons, yes. Importing books, yes. Keeping track of books already checked out.... ehhhhhh 06:08 dcook It might be worth posing that question to the listserv 06:08 dcook I'd love to know the answer as well 06:08 MaxSayre I haven't found a way (yet) to say... csv... UserX has BookX, BookY, BookZ... etc etc etc 06:09 MaxSayre Not a bad idea. 06:09 dcook Hmm 06:09 dcook There wouldn't be any way to do it in the MARC data (afaik) 06:09 dcook However, you might be able to do a custom script after the fact 06:10 dcook So long as you're able to retain some sort of identifier between your items in the old system and in Koha 06:10 dcook So that you could load up User X has BookX, BookY, BookZ 06:10 dcook Then scan Koha for those items and check them out to those borrowers programmatically 06:10 dcook I've never heard of anyone doing that, but...it'd be one way...and maybe someone does that 06:11 MaxSayre Well, I was thinking more a of a CSV assignment than actually going back through to re-check them out. 06:11 dcook Hmm, actually, that might work... 06:11 dcook Consider this... 06:12 dcook How to explain.. 06:12 dcook In the end, your items are going to exist as 952 tags in MARCXML 06:12 dcook Perhaps you could include a non-standard subfield that contains a patron identifer 06:13 dcook Then, after you upload into the catalogue...you run a script that loops through your items and performs the checkouts 06:13 MaxSayre That's a possibility. 06:13 dcook I mean...I guess you wouldn't have to do that...but then you would have data in the system 06:13 dcook Saying X has Y until ZZZZ 06:13 dcook But I probably wouldn't listen to me :p 06:13 MaxSayre Ha. 06:13 dcook How many items are you looking at? 06:13 MaxSayre I hadn't even considered the date. 06:14 MaxSayre I'm not sure I care when they're due as long as we know who has them out. 06:14 MaxSayre Honestly, probably not so many. 06:14 MaxSayre But I'm going to be migrating 4 schools (I hope), so streamlining that process would be useful. 06:14 dcook Oh snap... 06:14 MaxSayre If it was only the once... meh, I'd probably do it by hand. 06:14 dcook There is a "q" subfield for "checked out" 06:15 dcook So you can at least flag that the item is checked out 06:15 MaxSayre HA 06:15 MaxSayre But to a particular patron? :P 06:15 dcook Although your system might act oddly if you use that.. 06:15 dcook Nope 06:15 dcook Probably a date 06:15 dcook 4 schools? Sounds like more than a few things then 06:16 MaxSayre If I had to give the librarian(s) a list of a checked out books, it could be done. 06:16 MaxSayre Just more manual labor. 06:16 dcook That's probably your best bet 06:16 dcook But...put it to the lists 06:16 dcook http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 06:16 MaxSayre 2000 kids, roughly. 06:16 dcook Specifically koha-devel 06:16 MaxSayre Yeah, I just Googled those. :P 06:16 dcook http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel 06:16 dcook MaxSayre++ 06:17 MaxSayre Hah. Gold star on my jacket from a teacher the other day. I must be doing something right. :P 06:18 dcook \o/ 06:18 dcook Whereabouts are these schools? 06:18 MaxSayre Anyway, thanks for the help. Brainstorming is always better with more than one person. Hah. 06:18 MaxSayre Melbourne area. 06:19 dcook Cool :) 06:19 * dcook is up in Sydney 06:19 dcook You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 06:19 MaxSayre I'm only here for a few more weeks? Then moving to the UK. Hah. 06:19 dcook Are the schools running Koha themselves? 06:20 MaxSayre Nah. No worries. Talking to someone always sparks some good ideas. 06:20 MaxSayre Not yet, but will be. I'll just run up a new VM. 06:21 MaxSayre Was considering Active Directory integration, but the manual on that says "good luck"... so it's not an exciting idea. :P 06:21 dcook hehe 06:21 MaxSayre You have someone running Koha some where? 06:21 dcook Interesting. I'm always interested in institutions running their own Koha. 06:22 dcook We just recently did an Active Directory integration. It was...interesting 06:22 dcook I work for one of the paid support companies 06:22 MaxSayre The Bibliotech system hasn't been updated since 2009 and the schools pay licensing... and the support isn't all that great... meh. 06:22 dcook We have a lot of someones running Koha 06:22 MaxSayre Ah. Fair enough. 06:22 dcook Ah, well, I'm glad they're switching to Koha 06:22 MaxSayre Hiccups with the AD? 06:22 dcook Much better system and much better support :) 06:23 MaxSayre It's an option, and the best one so far. 06:23 dcook I think the issue with AD was the LDAP. 06:23 MaxSayre One of the schools I worked with opted for their own choice and it's just as out of date as Bibliotech, so, meh. 06:23 MaxSayre Ah. 06:23 dcook Mostly configuration stuff with passwords and somethign else with account generation, I think 06:23 dcook Mmm, well, Koha has a solid past, present, and future 06:24 MaxSayre Yeah, I noticed that. 06:24 dcook So you're setting them up and then they'll maintain it themselves? 06:24 MaxSayre The whole active development thing is a big encouragment. 06:24 dcook They have their own in-house IT folks? 06:24 dcook I know, right? ;) 06:24 MaxSayre I am the in-house IT. 06:24 dcook But you're moving to the UK 06:24 dcook Are you telecommuting or is someone new coming in? 06:24 MaxSayre I'm getting replaced. :P 06:24 dcook Whew 06:25 dcook I'd feel bad if they were left without no one 06:25 MaxSayre I'm sure they'll live. Hah. 06:25 dcook Well, it can be tough for non-tech people to upgrade and manage it 06:25 dcook What OS did you use and what installation method? 06:25 * dcook is just asking out of curiosity 06:26 MaxSayre What's the average disk usage for a running Koha install? 06:26 MaxSayre I haven't installed it yet. Though Ubuntu? Debian? Either. I don't really mind. 06:26 dcook Glad to hear that you're choosing either Ubuntu or Debian 06:26 dcook A package install, I hope? 06:26 dcook Makes life 100x easier 06:26 MaxSayre apt-get update? :P 06:26 * dcook thumbs up 06:26 dcook Not sure about the disk usage 06:26 dcook It depends on a few factors 06:27 dcook The indexing can eat up quite a bit of space if you have a lot of records 06:27 dcook Although I think that's temporary space 06:27 MaxSayre 10GB? 20GB? 100GB? 06:27 dcook I do think it depends on your records 06:28 MaxSayre Koha minimum specs are much more reasonable than some of the other options. One of them wanted 100GB, 4 cores, and 8GB of RAM minimum. 06:28 MaxSayre Of course. 06:28 dcook If you have 600,000+ records, I think you need over 20GB 06:28 dcook There was an email circulating around recently about that topic 06:28 MaxSayre I'm fairly sure we don't have that many books. Hah. 06:28 dcook Yeah, Koha can run on pretty basic stuff 06:28 dcook I have a little desktop at home with Koha on it 06:28 MaxSayre Well, *nix. 06:29 dcook Actually, I have a VM open right now with...2 gb of ram, 1 core, and...maybe 100 gb 06:29 dcook Wait, make that 10gb 06:29 dcook :p 06:29 MaxSayre Heh 06:29 dcook But I just use that for code development 06:29 MaxSayre Yeah, look, I can always make the disk bigger. That's not really an issue. 06:29 dcook It has maybe 100 records, I think 06:29 dcook Well there you go :) 06:30 dcook I don't know if "average" really applies to Koha 06:30 dcook Its user base is too diverse 06:30 MaxSayre But AD doesn't need 8GB of RAM for 200 machines, so when the library needs it... kinda overkill. 06:30 dcook We all have different ideas of normal 06:30 dcook What sort of system wanted that? 06:30 MaxSayre v-Library. 06:31 MaxSayre and the interface is awful. 06:31 MaxSayre Koha can at least look pretty. Though I wouldn't mind a slightly easier themeing option. Heh 06:32 MaxSayre It's kinda scary. Heh 06:32 MaxSayre Migrating to phone for the trip home... 06:34 dcook There's been a fair bit of discussion about themes as well 06:34 dcook the CCSR interface is pretty good in terms of responsive design. There is also work being done to add Bootstrap to the OPAC 06:35 dcook As for themeing...most can be done with CSS and JScript, but yeah...it would be nice if there were easier options. 06:36 christophe_c hello #koha 06:36 MaxSayre I'm not so much a graphic designer. would just love to see some generic ones. 06:36 MaxSayre Heya. 06:38 reiveune hello 06:38 dcook salut christophe_c et reiveune :) 06:39 reiveune salut dcook :) 06:39 MaxSayre I imagine one day a bunch of themes like WordPress. just download and install. not fancy, but at least flexible. :) 06:39 christophe_c bonjour dcook ;-) 06:39 dcook MaxSayre: Yeah, a few people (including myself) have mentioned that as well. If you're ever looking for a project...you could put in a themeing mechanism ;) 06:41 MaxSayre free time and me aren't really friends, but if something works out. :P 06:42 dcook hehe 06:42 dcook I know the feeling 06:42 dcook Even though I get paid to work on Koha for clients, I still try to volunteer in my free time 06:42 dcook But it's tough :/ 06:42 dcook Some people are amazing at it though and they're the core members of the community 06:44 MaxSayre FOSS <3 06:44 MaxSayre OSS too, but a little less. hah 06:45 dcook hehe 06:45 dcook Yeah, I'm quite the FOSS fan 06:45 dcook I'm a librarian turned developer, so I tend to advocate FOSS pretty hard for libraries 06:46 dcook hey ya cait! 06:46 dcook Wait a minute... 06:46 MaxSayre it's a good polIcy. 06:46 cait hi dcook 06:46 dcook You said you weren't going to work, cait :P 06:46 cait iam not working 06:46 cait just saying hi 06:46 dcook :) 06:46 cait moin drojf 06:48 MaxSayre Anyway, off to the land of lurking. Thanks for the chat! 06:49 dcook No worries. Good luck with the migration! 06:49 dcook morning drojf 06:52 cait hi matts 06:58 matts hi ! 07:03 cait :) 07:03 cait @wunder Reutlingen 07:03 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 20.1°C (9:03 AM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 07:05 cait @wunder Upfingen 07:05 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 07:05 cait thought so 07:10 druthb @wunder 77063 07:10 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (2:10 AM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 07:13 drojf morning 07:13 * drojf yawns 07:13 drojf a lot 07:13 drojf oh look, there are skittles everywhere 07:14 druthb drojf! 07:15 drojf druthb! 07:15 * druthb chucks skittles at her second-favorite German, to wake him up. 07:15 drojf that will help ;) 07:15 druthb :D 07:16 druthb oooh. two caits! 07:17 cait_ hmpf 07:17 * druthb leaves the zombie one for drojf and #koha, and runs away with the fresh one. 07:20 cait_ lol 07:20 cait_ help i am kidnapped 07:21 druthb caitnapping! 07:22 cait_ hm nap 07:22 drojf lol 07:23 druthb hm. that actually sounds like a good idea. 07:23 * druthb heads for bed. 07:24 dcook Eeep! I'm late I'm late I'm late for an important date 07:24 dcook Toodles #koha 07:25 gaetan_B hello 07:59 drojf every damn time someone talks about the MARC leader i have to think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fnmhj58o0kv 09:21 cjh goodbye internet, see you all Monday 10:49 bigbrovar_ Hi guys, trying to import biblio records from spreedsheet to koha via marc edit.. here is a copy of the spreedsheet https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwZLwGECm70wNHRUVXpvYk1TY2c/edit?pli=1 I have mapped each columns to the relevant marc tags and also have columns for koha holding tags in 952 10:51 bigbrovar_ however after mapping and importing the marcedit generated mrc file to koha. I noticed all the items have multiple holdings (8 holdings to be exact) I don't know what I am doing wrong :/ 12:22 oleonard Hi #koha 13:03 oleonard Bug 10649 13:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory 13:03 oleonard Somebody stop me if that sounds stupid. 13:35 oleonard This is a good day to get consent for harebrained schemes based on silence. 13:37 * druthb doesn't think oleonard's scheme is all that hare-brained. 13:37 oleonard I'm just sayin' 13:38 druthb doo eeet. 13:39 oleonard A patch will be ready as soon as I finish this commit message. Two hours or so. 13:39 tcohen upgrading UNC 3.8 > 3.12 its like 13:39 tcohen for i in $(cat instances) ; do koha-create --use-db $i ; done ; koha-upgrade-schema $(koha-list) 13:40 tcohen voila 13:40 tcohen still can't belive it 13:40 tcohen #kohails rocks 13:40 jcamins Yeah, pretty amazing. 13:41 tcohen (of course I already have my passwd file and DBs loaded on their new home) 13:41 oleonard @seen khall 13:41 huginn` oleonard: khall was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <khall> is this as good a place to start as any? 14:22 gmcharlt @quote random 14:22 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) 14:22 gmcharlt always a relief 14:23 druthb @quote random 14:23 huginn` druthb: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011) 14:23 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 14:25 oleonard What git command will show me a list of revisions similar to what the "history" link in gitweb shows? 14:27 gmcharlt oleonard: git log --abbrev-commit --pretty=short path/to/file 14:27 gmcharlt does most of it 14:28 vfernandes hi :) 14:29 vfernandes guys today I've detected that /intranet/cgi-bin/patroncards/image-manage.pl isn't in koha tar.gz 14:29 vfernandes where I can get that file? 14:30 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt 14:31 * oleonard can't figure out why git mv doesn't seem to be copying over a file's history 14:33 gmcharlt oleonard: try adding the --follow switch to your git log invocation 14:33 oleonard Is the "--follow" required to track across moves? 14:34 gmcharlt yes 14:36 gmcharlt oleonard: and to more fully emulate gitweb: 14:36 gmcharlt git log --follow --date=short --abbrev-commit --pretty=format:"%h%x09%ad%x09%an%x09%s" about.pl 14:36 vfernandes anyone? 14:36 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 14:36 gmcharlt vfernandes: whcih version of the tarball? 14:37 vfernandes 3.12 14:42 gmcharlt vfernandes: I just downloaded the latest 3.12.2 tarball, and it does contain patroncards/image-manage.pl 14:48 vfernandes yes it is... by some reason the .pl wasn't in the folder... solved... another problem 14:48 vfernandes install Graphics::Manager 14:49 oleonard vfernandes: Are you in a situation which requires you to choose the tarball over a package installation? 14:51 vfernandes oleonard I always install Koha by downloading tar.gz from repository and install it manually because I've to work with very diferent SO 14:51 vfernandes now I need to install graphics::magick in ubuntu 14:51 oleonard "SO" ? 14:52 vfernandes OS... sorry... ubuntu, opensuse, centos, etc... 14:53 oleonard I see. Sounds difficult... or tedious at the very least. 14:56 vfernandes now I need to isntall graphics::magick in ubuntu 14:56 tweetbot [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "Happy SysAdmin Day! #KohaILS #egils" 15:08 reiveune bye 15:38 gaetan_B bye ! 15:38 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "OSCON: Using Open Source in the Classroom Every Single Day http://t.co/fGFjhq6U3e #KohaILS" 16:22 jcamins Do we have a guide for getting started as a translator? 16:37 gmcharlt jcamins: 1. For best results, arrange to be born in a country with a tradition of multilingualism... 16:38 jcamins gmcharlt: heh. 16:38 oleonard D'oh! 16:39 gmcharlt seriously, maybe http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha, but that doesn't have enough detail to be a soup-to-nuts intro 16:40 jcamins Yeah, that's all I saw, and it doesn't really give a whole lot of instruction on where to get started if you are not a developer. 16:42 jcamins So I said "register an account on Pootle, and take a look around. 16:43 jcamins " 16:43 jcamins And I'll provide more detailed instructions if necessary. 16:45 oleonard So you found someone who wants to do a translation jcamins? 16:47 jcamins oleonard: yeah, one of my librarians might contribute to the Greek translation. 19:15 drojf evening 19:15 oleonard Hi drojf 19:15 drojf hey oleonard 19:15 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 19:16 drojf [off] thanks a lot to the person buying all 20 cases of gluten free beer the afternoon before the hottest weekendever. i hope you die from a hops allergy 19:17 gmcharlt [off] I can't help but giggle at that one; sorry for your pain, though 19:18 drojf [off] if i'm lucky they get some more tomorrow. i really hope so 19:19 drojf so what's new in kohaland? 19:21 drojf that is not much ;) 19:22 oleonard That's about it drojf. It's a ghost town in here today. 19:22 drojf i blame holiday cait 19:44 druthb hi, drojf! :) 19:44 drojf druthb! :) 19:45 * jcamins chucks skittles at druthb. 19:45 drojf lol 19:45 druthb ! 19:45 druthb you're supposed to chuck *cookies*, jcamins. 19:45 druthb Via USPS Priority, please. 19:45 jcamins Hehe. 19:45 jcamins You'll be getting cookies soon, too. :) 19:46 druthb :D 19:48 * druthb chucks skittles at jcamins and drojf. 19:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:52 druthb how convenient. 19:52 * druthb chucks skittles at mtompset, too. 19:52 mtompset too? 19:52 wahanui it has been said that too is impatient. 19:52 mtompset wahanui forget too 19:52 wahanui mtompset: I forgot too 19:53 druthb I just chucked some at drojf and jcamins, too, right before you showed up. 19:53 mtompset Are you a violent person, and skittle chucking is your only release? 19:54 * druthb remembers her past, and debates a way to answer that question without scaring people. 19:54 drojf o.O 19:54 druthb I used to have a moderately-wild temper. 19:56 * pianohacker holds tongue 19:56 druthb back years ago, I conquered that monster; a good meditation practice, and a lot of self-examination did me a whole lot of good. 19:56 drojf i prefer getting chucked skittles at over, say, a bar stool ;) 19:57 oleonard You can't get a good wind-up at that distance drojf 20:00 drojf heh 20:02 druthb I never hurt anyone—well, anyone *else*—with my temper. But it was kind of stunning when people saw it; they truly did not expect that of me, as my public persona has always been very passive. 20:07 drojf so chucking skittles is what remained? ;) 20:07 mtompset Poor skittles. druthb abuses them regularly. 20:08 drojf omg. it sounds like… rain? 20:08 mtompset :P 20:08 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 20:08 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.8°C (9:42 PM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 20:08 mtompset @wunder toronto, canada 20:08 drojf weid 20:08 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 22.0°C (4:00 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 20:08 drojf weird even 20:09 drojf hmm maybe a neighbour watering the plants? 20:15 oleonard have a good weekend #koha 20:15 drojf you too oleonard 20:15 drojf ha, once before he quit 20:18 mtompset So, druthb did you get the chocolate you needed? 20:18 druthb yes. 20:18 druthb :) 20:18 drojf so… i can connect with a sip account to asterisk on the raspi from a browser. unfortunately i can't from the firefox os browser and now i fear that webrtc is just not ready there… :O 20:20 drojf Stage Planning Status In progress 20:20 drojf meh 20:20 drojf Release target Phase 1 - TBD (first release planned this year, 2012) <- lol 20:40 rambutan @wunder 64507 20:40 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 29.3°C (3:40 PM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 21:10 pianohacker drojf: ? 21:13 drojf pianohacker: looks like 1) the mozilla wiki is very outdated 2) firefox os does not support webrtc so i can't use sip telephony on my phone 21:13 jcamins drojf: really? That seems like a rather crucial feature. 21:14 drojf that's what i thought 21:14 pianohacker drojf: heh, "Note: Much of this content is out of date. We will be updating it soon 21:19 jcamins You know, there are a lot of people making mobile phones with new technology... wouldn't investing that $32m in a platform that exists have made more sense? 21:19 drojf heh 21:20 jcamins Sorry, sorry! Logic asserted itself briefly there. 21:20 jcamins I didn't mean for it to, it just sort of happened. 21:20 jcamins @wunder 11375 21:20 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 27.0°C (5:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 21:21 drojf what plattform would that have been? android? 21:21 jcamins drojf: I was thinking FirefoxOS. 21:22 drojf the platform that exists? 21:22 drojf it obvioulsy exists only to a certain degree ;) 21:23 drojf unfortunately i don't understand the mozilla bugtracker at all so nobody knows when it will work i guess 21:24 jcamins drojf: it'd exist a lot more fully if people invested $32m into it. 21:24 drojf i would have expected an os that is build after a browser to have soime of the cool features of that browser 21:24 drojf built 21:25 drojf at least in its browser ^^ 21:26 drojf jcamins: i think i am confused about what $32m you are talking 21:26 drojf i thought you meant mozilla invested that in building fxos and should have put it into somethng that already exists 21:26 jcamins drojf: Ubuntu phone. 21:27 jcamins A F/OSS project just created a new fully-F/OSS phone. 21:27 drojf AH! 21:27 drojf i forgot about ubuntu :) 21:27 jcamins They got a staggering amount of money so far, too. 21:28 drojf investing in something other people started would not lead to one shuttleworth to rule them all i suppose 21:28 drojf i bet it will have nice amazon integration and other shopsy stuff 21:29 jcamins Heh. 21:29 drojf as if there wasn't enough notreallyfree linux on phones already :/ 21:29 drojf woah, now it's really raining 21:29 drojf at first i thought someone was chucking skittles at me 21:48 drojf "resource://jid1-xufzosoflzsoxg-at-jetpack/api-utils/lib/cuddlefish.js" 21:48 drojf oops 21:51 drojf the unimarc bugs are clogging up that old bugs section 21:52 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 22:01 drojf bug 10610 has a great title 22:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , sysprefs.sql is really boring to rebase 22:20 tcohen is there a way to report what permissions does a patron have? 22:21 gmcharlt tcohen: I think there's one or two examples in the SQL library 22:22 tcohen what's the relation between user_permissions and flags? 22:22 gmcharlt tenous 22:22 gmcharlt :) 22:23 gmcharlt more seriously, flags came first and is a bitmap, where each position controlled access to a broad module 22:23 gmcharlt user_permissions was bolted on later 22:23 tcohen and they have never been merged 22:23 gmcharlt and module_bit in user_permissions correspods to the bit position in flags for the corresponding module 22:25 tcohen if my database has an empty user_permissions table, what does it mean? 22:26 gmcharlt all of your patrons/users have top-level permissions and were never assigned any sub-permissions 22:30 gmcharlt as a historical note, there used to be a syspref called GranularPermissions that controlled whether subpermissions could be used or were hidden 22:30 tcohen you're all crazy 22:30 tcohen heh 22:31 gmcharlt given enough time, without constant viigilence, all people^Wcodebases become crazy ;) 22:32 tcohen i'm pretty sure you're right 22:35 tcohen so, to make a report (for some audit tasks) i need to: check if there are module-level permissions at user_permissions, and otherwise check borrowers.flags 22:50 tcohen gmcharlt: do u know why perms are binded to userid instead of borrowernumber? 22:53 gmcharlt say what? 22:58 tcohen i'm sorry, thinking loudly 22:59 tcohen the param for the call get_user_subpermissions is userid instead of borrowernumber, and it was kind of weird to read 23:01 gmcharlt legacy -- haspermission, for example, has always used userid 23:21 tcohen is that bitmap method sound?