IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-09

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01:27 dcook Neato!
01:27 dcook My record type facet works pretty nicely using the Leader...
01:28 jcamins Yay!
01:28 dcook Provided that people code the Leader correctly..
01:28 dcook Which this library has ^_^
01:28 dcook Mmm fixed field data
01:29 dcook Need to have better labels than the ones used in MARC though
01:29 dcook One does not necessarily equate "Two-dimensional nonprojectable graphic" and "Picture" at the drop of a hat
01:30 jcamins dcook: really? :P
01:30 dcook :p
01:31 wizzyrea lulz.
01:31 wizzyrea lunch!
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01:49 dcook Mmm lunch
02:10 dcook Interesting conversation on twitter at the moment regarding a way to have an "Open Access" facet
02:10 dcook While there are lots of ways to do it, it would be nice if a metadata scheme included a hook for that
02:11 dcook Err, reliable hook
02:15 jcamins dcook: it'd be very nice.
02:15 jcamins Fortunately MARC is a recent development that takes that sort of thing into account.
02:15 jcamins :P
02:16 dcook hehe
02:18 dcook $v - Hours access method available
02:18 dcook I suppose some websites still have scheduled downtime, but I'm pretty sure that subfield was made for uptime...
02:19 jcamins Heh. Yup.
03:47 wizzyrea @later tell bgkriegel did you need an account to that has posting rights?
03:47 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
04:03 mtj hey wizzyrea, you gonna come along to the perlmongers catchup tonite?
04:03 wizzyrea mm probably not, I've got kiddo in tow and an upgrade to do
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04:04 mtj aah yeah…that might be tricky :)
04:05 mtj next time
04:05 wahanui next time is in 87 years or something... ;-)
04:06 wizzyrea ^^^
04:06 wizzyrea totally apropos
04:06 wizzyrea well at least... 14 years
04:06 wizzyrea :P
04:09 mtj we could always arrange some sort of teleconference solution
04:10 wizzyrea lol
04:37 bag heya mason and wizzyrea
04:37 wizzyrea whaddup homie
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05:34 AmitG hi
05:34 AmitG all
05:34 AmitG chris around?
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05:42 cait good morning #koha
05:43 AmitG heya cait
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06:20 bag ok I'm open for quick thoughts - I'm only getting results on the staff side but not the opac for search
06:25 dcook opacsuppresion?
06:25 dcook sys pref that is
06:27 dcook Side note, how would one point to an XSLT on a different Koha site?
06:27 dcook In terms of forming the URL
06:29 bag
06:30 bag I've checked opacsuppression like 10 times
06:30 dcook Weird...that method isn't working for me..
06:30 bag hmm can you paste the URL in here?
06:31 bag dcook: I'm finding one that works for me
06:32 bag for example dcook http://media.bywatersolutions.[…]ntranetDetail.xsl
06:35 dcook Hmm, still no luck :/
06:35 dcook Your link almost worked for me though :)
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06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 bag yeah dcook the problem with my link is the import ref is pointing to /home/opac10
06:37 dcook Yeah, I noticed that, but it retrieved the xsl so overall it worked :)
06:37 bag if you copy that file and change the import ref to the local copy of MARC21slim etc...
06:37 bag <xsl:import href="/home/opac10/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-t​mpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl"/>
06:37 dcook I wonder..
06:37 bag that line needs to be your local MARC21blah blah blah
06:38 dcook Mmm, right.
06:38 dcook Still, I can't even access the file itself :S
06:39 dcook It should just be
06:39 dcook It seems..
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06:40 christophe_c hello #koha
06:44 bag so you can't even see that file in a browser?
06:44 bag dcook: ^^^
06:45 dcook Not like that
06:45 dcook This works: /opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MAR​C21slim2OPACDetail-Test.xsl
06:45 dcook But not /xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail-Test.xsl
06:45 bag alright my dog is whinning at me to take him home
06:45 bag night night
06:46 dcook night bag
06:49 drojf good morning #koha
06:49 dcook morning drojf :)
06:49 drojf hi dcook
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07:14 dcook night #koha
07:14 dcook (Almost said night dcook...are we sure it's not Monday in Oceania...)
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07:19 gaetan_B hello
07:20 drojf hi gaetan_B
07:21 drojf gaetan_B: did you solve the mystery of the reversed word order in that one title?
07:22 gaetan_B hi drojf oh no i haven't, i think it's a zebra bug
07:22 drojf d'oh
07:30 drojf @later tell rangi i remember i had problems with a single (non-english) language installation at some point. i intuitively check both english and german when i do a german installation and i think it is because of that.
07:30 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
07:30 drojf rangi++
07:40 rangi yep, got a fix for that now
07:40 rangi ill submit it as a patch at some point unless someone wants to take that commit and do it for me :)
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07:57 drojf rangi: i'd say submit it when you're ready and i volunteer to test
07:58 rangi righto
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08:02 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:02 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.5°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
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08:13 * wizzyrea waves
08:14 wizzyrea it's so quiet!
08:16 kf it is :)
08:16 wizzyrea @joke
08:16 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
08:16 wizzyrea close enough
08:16 wizzyrea :)
08:17 kf @excuse
08:17 huginn kf: My excuse for today is "cosmic expansion"
08:17 wizzyrea hehe
08:22 wizzyrea I can't seem to get the unit tests to work on 8133 (bad version of dbd-mock I think)
08:22 wizzyrea anyway.
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08:46 eythian @wunder brighton, uk
08:46 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 20.8°C (9:45 AM BST on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
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09:12 gerundio good morning
09:12 gerundio calendar?
09:12 wahanui i think calendar is right
09:13 gerundio release?
09:14 wahanui somebody said release was the 22nd nz time every month
09:14 gerundio schedule?
09:14 wahanui i think schedule is not fixed yet..there has been some delay from the client side..
09:15 gerundio I've found two pages on the koha website related to the software releases, and
09:16 gerundio the calendar link on the top menu on the site doesn't show anything
09:16 gerundio is there any better place to look for an history of koha releases?
09:16 eythian if you want a history, probably history.txt in the release itself.
09:16 * eythian finds a link
09:17 eythian[…]a5f799947;hb=HEAD
09:17 eythian wahanui: history
09:17 wahanui eythian: what?
09:17 eythian wahanui: history is[…]story.txt;hb=HEAD
09:17 wahanui OK, eythian.
09:19 eythian wizzyrea: is the calendar on the k-c site your baby? Because it sure is broke.
09:26 wizzyrea oo hm
09:26 wizzyrea broken how
09:27 wizzyrea oh, like not showing broken. ^>^
09:30 wizzyrea well that's special
09:31 wizzyrea how's that looking now
09:32 wizzyrea it had a blank page cached
09:35 eythian there's a calendar there, though it doesn't have things like planned release dates on it, alas :)
09:35 wizzyrea not for july :)
09:35 wizzyrea it does have Pi on there
09:35 wizzyrea in november
09:35 wizzyrea it's not got the monthlies in it yet - it's pretty new
09:36 eythian yeah
09:40 wizzyrea right give that a refresh
09:40 wizzyrea that's a pretty flash display if I do say so
09:46 eythian it is. I wonder if making it display in the posterboard form could be a good defalt
09:47 eythian it just shows more stuff at once :)
09:47 wizzyrea I did that, actually - shift refresh?
09:47 wizzyrea you might have to click the calendar link again
09:47 eythian oh, I'd moved months around, so it probably defaulted to what it thought I wanted.
09:48 wizzyrea possibly, it's a bit squicky.
09:48 wizzyrea but darn pretty.
09:49 wizzyrea I think I'm going to have to give Daniel another lesson on proper anchors :/
09:49 wizzyrea the newsletters are never right.
10:40 gerundio eythian++, thanks for your input regarding the koha release history :)
10:40 eythian np
10:55 * kf waves
10:57 * eythian particles
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11:56 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:35 kf hi oleonard
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12:39 gabrielle_dusse Hello, i'm trying to create an account on and each time i have an error message, can someone help me?
12:40 kf hi gabrielle_dusse
12:40 kf could youreport your problem to koha-translate mailing list?
12:40 gabrielle_dusse I have the same error message when i try to report my problem,,,
12:40 kf http://lists.koha-community.or[…]fo/koha-translate
12:42 gabrielle_dusse i'll try with your link
12:46 tcohen hi gabrielle_dusse
12:46 tcohen what error?
12:46 gabrielle_dusse It says "servor error"
12:47 gabrielle_dusse server*
12:48 gabrielle_dusse when i try to create an account there: http://translate.koha-communit[…]ccounts/register/
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12:52 kf tcohen: i had someone else reporting that the verification mail didn'>t go out, i left bgkriegel a message but i am not sure he got it yet
12:52 tcohen that's correct kf, we solved it a few days ago
12:54 tcohen let me check gabrielle_dusse, the current admin is away, we are on winter holidays
12:54 gabrielle_dusse ok thanks a lot
12:54 kf tcohen: oh cool, thx
12:56 tcohen i guess the latter of course
13:05 tcohen gabrielle_dusse: the confirmation email send step is the one that failed, your user is created already
13:05 gabrielle_dusse but when i try to connect, it says that my account is not active
13:06 tcohen that's correct
13:06 tcohen you have 5 accounts actually
13:06 gabrielle_dusse i know i tried many times...
13:07 gabrielle_dusse do i have a way to confirm an account without the confirmation email?
13:07 gerundio hi
13:07 tcohen i'll do it by hand
13:07 gabrielle_dusse ok thanks
13:07 tcohen i'll pick your first attempt
13:07 gerundio I'm looking at the
13:07 gerundio Subscription summary of a serial collection
13:08 gerundio I have a list of records with status Expected
13:10 gerundio when I try to edit those records via the "Edit serials" button and for those the Status select form element is disabled
13:10 gerundio can anyone point me out the rules that allow that form select element to disabled/enabled?
13:11 jcamins gerundio: you can only edit the first item with a status of "Expected," I think.
13:11 jcamins If you change the old ones to "Late," you'll be able to edit them all.
13:12 gerundio right now I'm unable to edit 12 records with Status Expected
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13:12 gerundio does this make any sense?
13:13 gerundio I'm not a librarian, so I just received a call alerting me to this koha behaviour
13:14 gerundio which I don't know and don't understand
13:20 gabrielle_dusse tcohen: did you confirm my account?
13:20 jcamins gerundio: I am not 100% sure, but if my understanding of why it does what it does is correct, it does make a certain amount of sense: only one issue of a monthly journal will ever be expected at a time.
13:20 jcamins If it's October, the September issue is late, not expected.
13:20 tcohen gabrielle_dusse: bgkriegel is contacting you right now
13:20 bgkriegel gabrielle_dusse: I'll do that
13:21 gabrielle_dusse thanks
13:21 gerundio jcamins, fyi, someone added 12 issues with the same date for a given subscription
13:21 gerundio all of them are with status Expected
13:22 gerundio every record with date previous to those have status Arrived
13:23 jcamins gerundio: I don't know much about it, but I don't think that you'll be able to deal with this without a patch.
13:24 gerundio would changing the dates on those records do any good?
13:25 jcamins I don't think so. But I'm not 100% sure, so your best bet is probably to just experiment.
13:28 druthb @quote random
13:28 huginn` druthb: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011)
13:28 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
13:29 druthb wahanui:  botsnack annoying_SUV_drivers
13:29 wahanui :)
13:34 gerundio jcamins, changed the dates to match the weekly rule defined for this subscription
13:34 gerundio the form remaing with the disabled select elements for the 12 records
13:35 gerundio earlier you said "you can only edit the first item with a status of "Expected," I think"
13:35 gerundio in this case I'm unable to edit any record with status of "Expected"
13:36 jcamins gerundio: in that case, I'm thinking bug.
13:36 gerundio I'll look into the source code
13:36 jcamins It should definitely let you change the first one to "Late."
13:36 gerundio let me try to understand this feature
13:40 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Serial edition" (9 lines) at
13:41 gerundio jcamins, take a look at the paste I've made
13:41 jcamins Ooh. Expired subscription!
13:41 jcamins So, not a bug.
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13:42 gerundio that's how I read it too
13:43 gerundio so my questions now are:
13:43 gerundio 1. what does $serinfo->{'status1'} stand for?
13:43 gerundio 2. what does $serinfo->{'cannotedit'} stand for?
13:44 jcamins I have no idea about either.
13:44 gerundio 3. how can I temporarily remove the expiration from this subscription to edit these records?
13:44 jcamins But an expired subscription would make sense.
13:44 jcamins Just renew it for another 12 issues.
13:45 gerundio I see Subscription history
13:46 gerundio Hint: you can update the serial history manually. This can be useful for an old subscription or to clean the existing history. Modify these fields with care, as future serial receive will continue to update them automatically.
13:46 gerundio this looks just what I'm looking for
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13:57 vfernandes hello
13:57 vfernandes i'm having a little problem: call number searches and ordering are not working..
14:04 gmcharlt tell us more
14:07 gerundio hey vfernandes, long time no see :)
14:07 gerundio jcamins, I managed to reactive the subscription
14:07 gerundio it's from a magazine since 1957
14:07 gerundio I inserted a 700 months duration for the subscriptio
14:07 gerundio subscription ^
14:08 gerundio now, the status for those records is enabled and the librarians can finish their work
14:08 gerundio not the best practice I guess, but it worked
14:08 gerundio jcamins++
14:08 vfernandes my itemcallnumber are being inserted but can be searched
14:09 vfernandes *can't
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14:40 eythian @wunder brighton, uk
14:40 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 28.0°C (3:30 PM BST on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
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14:46 drojf hi #koha
14:48 druthb Hi, drojf! :)
14:48 * druthb offers drojf a cookie.
14:53 drojf cookie \o/
14:53 drojf thanks druthb
14:53 druthb :)
14:58 oleonard Wow.
15:05 drojf when i do a fresh installation of 3.10, do i need to install mysql-server first if i want to use mariadb? or will it just work if i install mariadb-server?
15:09 eythian try it and find out
15:10 eythian I suspect that the changes in paths may throw it a bit, but that'll probably the worst of it.
15:12 drojf i just had a terrible time trying to install koha with mysql and a mariadb repo present. i'm not sure if it's better now without the repo, i got a different error. but i can log in to mysql. i could not before, it screwed something up with the root password.
15:13 eythian yeah, the code as it is is pretty specific to mysql and its command line operations. Abstracting that out wouldn't be hard.
15:13 eythian (assuming you're talking about packages, anyway)
15:13 drojf i am
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15:24 reiveune bye
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15:24 gmcharlt eythian: what changes in paths, though?  I've been running mariadb (via MariaDB's APT repository) on Wheezy; thus far haven't had any problems
15:25 eythian just expecting that the koha-common.cnf that gets linked to from /etc/mysql may not work.
15:25 drojf gmcharlt: but you did not install with MariaDB but changed to it later i suppose?
15:25 eythian although
15:25 eythian I can't actually remember what that does
15:25 eythian I think it's rarely used.
15:26 jcamins drojf: you need to install mariadb-server and not mysql-server, I think.
15:26 eythian might be for creating new databases
15:26 jcamins If you install mysql-server first, you'll end up with incorrect configuration files.
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15:27 jcamins (because MariaDB will not clobber MySQL's configuration)
15:27 jcamins At least, that's what I found.
15:28 drojf jcamins: i installed mysql-server while the mariadb repo was present and apparently it pulls stuff from there then and it breaks koha package installation
15:28 jcamins drojf: what broke about the installation?
15:28 gmcharlt eythian: yep, jsut appears to be used for providing credentials when creating and dropping databases
15:28 jcamins On my server with MariaDB, the MariaDB files are exactly where the MySQL files would go.
15:28 drojf jcamins: it wasn't possible to create an instance
15:29 drojf it b0rked something about the pw i think
15:29 drojf i could not log in either
15:29 jcamins That happened to me when I installed MySQL before MariaDB.
15:29 drojf all very weird and using the mysql root pw reset wan't possible either
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15:29 drojf it just works after commenting out the mariadb repo
15:30 drojf i will try what it does when i switch to mariadb after koha is running
15:31 kf hey drojf :)
15:31 drojf hola kf
15:31 gmcharlt I think that explicitly intalling mariadb-server first, then koha-deps (from a blank slate) out to work as well
15:36 kf hi gmcharlt :)
15:36 kf oleonard: around?
15:36 oleonard Yes
15:36 kf ooh can i ask you some css? :)
15:37 gmcharlt hi kf
15:37 kf I'd like to recolor the cart and list button for a new library, but not sure why it doesn't work what i do
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15:52 drojf eythian: i think the problem is that koha-common depends on libmysqlclient18 and that gets sucked in from the mariadb repo if present. seems like it does not work well in a mysql environment.
15:52 eythian that could be it.
15:52 drojf looks like installing with mysql and then switching to mariadb worked fine
15:52 drojf i'll try skipping mysql completely later
16:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10496 - CCSR theme OPAC tabs to not show correct active state <[…]943cae573b056d3f4>
16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1298 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:16 drojf gmcharlt: you were right. installing mariadb-server, then koha works fine. as does using mysql-server and switching later. seems like problems only show up when you want to use mysql while you got the mariadb repo enabled -- which seems like a rather uncommon situation.
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16:41 * drojf heads home
16:44 eythian wahanui: this
16:44 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
16:45 eythian wahanui: this is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
16:45 wahanui ...but this is <reply>...
16:45 eythian now wahanui, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
16:45 eythian no wahanui, this is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
16:45 eythian no, wahanui: this is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
16:45 eythian ...
16:45 eythian wahanui: this is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
16:45 wahanui ...but this is <reply>...
16:46 eythian no wahanui, this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.
16:46 eythian this?
16:46 wahanui this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.
16:46 eythian there we go
16:50 jcamins aquarius?
16:50 wahanui Mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation
17:00 * jwagner looks around for a lava lamp....
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17:07 mjk hey there kohaphiles
17:07 mjk does anyone know a way of batch-generating lots of koha-compatible sequential barcodes in owrd or something
17:08 mjk preprinted barcodes from a commercial vendor are overpriced and my attempts to create barcodes with koha have brought nothing but pain...
17:09 jcamins mjk: choose a barcode font, use Excel equations to create a list of lots of numbers, change the font to the barcode font you chose earlier, and print?
17:10 jcamins "Koha-compatible" doesn't make sense when talking about barcodes. What you need to be compatible with is your barcode scanner.
17:10 kf ie--------------------------------------------
17:12 jcamins But I will say, for what it's worth, I'd just spend the 3.7 cents per label.
17:13 druthb kf++
17:14 mjk store-brand avery 5160-compatible blanks cost under 1 cent per label
17:14 kf huh?
17:15 jcamins mjk: I'm not saying it's not way less expensive. I'm saying having barcoded libraries, I'd consider the additional expense worth it.
17:15 jcamins But, as I said, it's easy to generate the barcodes. Excel will generate a list, and then you can just use mail merge to print them.
17:15 mjk my library is a science fiction club. every large expenditure comesbefore the business meeting and needs to be approved.
17:16 jcamins Actually, if you're good with Excel you can probably even print them directly out of Excel.
17:16 jcamins I am not very good with spreadsheet software so I couldn't say how, but that seems like a logical thing for it to be possible to do.
17:17 mjk even getting permission to install koha on a spare computer and start cataloging was like pulling teeth. arguing that we shopuld spend over $500 on labels just to make my life easier won't fly
17:18 jcamins Fair enough.
17:19 mjk i'm just lucky another member saw the value of the project and donated an old bluetooth barcode scanner...
17:25 * druthb is so old, she doesn't think of bluetooth as "old," remembering when serial scanners were the only way there was.
17:25 jcamins druthb: I apparently am so old too.
17:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1298: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1298/
17:26 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10496 - CCSR theme OPAC tabs to not show correct active state
17:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10496 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , CCSR theme OPAC tabs to not show correct active state
17:26 druthb bah.  Youngster!
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17:28 * druthb raises an eyebrow.
17:28 druthb Drive-by nengarding.
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18:28 kf bye all
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20:40 drojf it's no fun reading the log if you people don't talk
20:46 gmcharlt heh
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20:50 pianohacker heh heh
20:50 martian523 hi I have ver 3.10, just wondering if there's a way to merge multiple authorities consisting of same information
20:55 pianohacker there is misc/migration_tools/, but you need to manually give it two authids to merge
20:58 rangi :(
20:58 rangi[…]ff-hillandale-rd/
20:58 tcohen :(
20:58 pianohacker that is unfortunate, yum is excellent
20:59 rangi off topic, does anyone know if koha works with refworks?
20:59 martian523 hmm...that's not really what i'm looking for
20:59 pianohacker martian523: You could _try_ dumping your authority records, then reimporting them but with a match rule using
20:59 drojf :(
20:59 pianohacker martian523: You'd have to manually relink the authorities afterwards though
21:00 pianohacker well,
21:00 rangi martian523: there is a patch that i qaed recently to do it in the interface
21:00 wahanui i guess is almost certainly not the right tool for the job.
21:00 rangi not in 3.10.x tho
21:00 bag rangi I think there is something in the JQuery library that deals with RefWorks
21:00 martian523 so theres no click click click and "merge these authorities" tool
21:00 rangi cool
21:01 rangi martian523: not in 3.10.x in 3.14.x yes
21:01 martian523 o, then i should do an upgrade. =)
21:01 drojf 3.14 will be here in half a year ;)
21:01 rangi martian523: its not released yet :)
21:01 rangi bug5202
21:01 rangi bug 5202
21:01 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Merge authority records
21:01 rangi that is the patch :)(
21:02 rangi bag: thanks
21:02 drojf martian523: are you running a package installation of koha?
21:03 martian523 hmm?
21:03 pianohacker how did you install koha?
21:03 martian523 the IT departement did
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21:06 martian523 anyway, thanks!  you gave me a lot of help already
21:06 drojf you could, in theory, build your own debian package with 3.10 plus the patch that has the new function. depending on how important it is to you.
21:06 martian523 i'll see if they can do the patch
21:06 drojf but it is some work
21:07 drojf and if you got an it department that has to be convinced to do it that might be another problem ;)
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21:13 drojf when i use the 'Tags' feature in bz, is there a way to put in a tag without triggering an email?
21:26 maximep seth vidal is dead and almost all comments talk about the meaning of the words accident vs crime ?
21:27 rangi maximep: never ever ever read the comments
21:27 maximep like if it was on the comments of a blog post that they would decide
21:27 * wizzyrea suspects that this is how geeks show grief
21:27 maximep I was hoping for comments celebrating what the guy did
21:27 rangi its my rule of thumb for the entire internet
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21:27 wizzyrea yea, don't read the comments
21:28 maximep well in the case of the death of Ryan Davis (of giantbomb gaming site), *all* comments were the best
21:28 wizzyrea it's a very analytical thing though, obsessing over "was it an accident or a crime"
21:28 drojf i stil very much appreciate rangi telling me about the youtube comments extension for firefox that changes all comment text to herp derp
21:28 maximep I guess programmers and linux people care about dumb details more
21:28 cait hi #koha
21:28 wizzyrea hi cait
21:28 cait :)
21:28 drojf hi cait
21:29 rangi hi cait
21:29 cait hi drojf and rangi
21:29 cait wizzyrea: trea wants me to buy an txtrbeagle?
21:29 trea ^.^
21:30 cait oh there he is :)
21:30 trea i'd buy one, but they want me to be in germany. strange.
21:30 pianohacker drojf: That extension is amazing! More interesting than hiding them, but it helps curb my self-destructive impulse to read youtube comments
21:31 cait trea: heh - do you want me to buy one for you? ;)
21:31 pianohacker rangi: I'd say reddit is pretty much the only exception to that rule, and even that can take some subreddit filtering :P
21:31 rangi yeah
21:31 rangi some blogs are ok, where they curate
21:32 drojf pianohacker: i think reddit is unusable without throwing away a lot of subreddits nowadays
21:32 wizzyrea ^.^
21:32 rangi im totally fine with blogs where comments are curated, its your blog, you can allow on it what you want
21:32 rangi is the way i see it
21:32 wizzyrea it's really only proper censorship if the state does it.
21:32 rangi i dont let through a lot of the dumb comments on my blog
21:33 drojf we have the fine tradition of shouting "CENSORSHIP OMGWTF!!11" when somebody deletes comments on his/her blog. why should people allow every idiot to comment on their own blogs? :/
21:33 pianohacker drojf: yeah, I'm only subscribed to about 3 of the default 20
21:34 pianohacker you can curate an _amazing_ information feed with reddit, but it takes digging
21:34 drojf wizzyrea: exactly
21:34 rangi drojf: exactly
21:34 pianohacker but then you find beautiful things like
21:34 drojf pianohacker: i have not used it much recently. i think i would have to dig deeper than i have time to do
21:35 pianohacker it's worth the effort imo :)
21:36 drojf the koha subreddit is not very active ^^
21:38 maximep a koha section on stackoverflow would be fun
21:38 rangi there was a library section
21:39 tcohen hi rangi
21:39 drojf hi tcohen
21:39 maximep imo the format of stackoverflow where you upvote the best answer is more useful than searching on a ml
21:39 tcohen hi drojf
21:40 drojf maximep: as long as the voting is done by people that know what they are doing…
21:40 drojf (unlike on reddit :P)
21:40 wizzyrea well, the asker usually submits the answer that fixed it for them
21:40 wizzyrea upvotes
21:41 wizzyrea on stackoverflow
21:41 maximep there's a pretty good WP extension that duplicates stackoverflow. I wonder if it would be cool on
21:41 wizzyrea hm what is it called?
21:41 rangi hi tcohen
21:41 maximep except for the part that I rewrote half of it. trying to remember it's name
21:41 tcohen i'm stuck
21:42 tcohen my battery life goes down, because of crappy support on the kernel
21:42 tcohen (samsung to blame)
21:42 tcohen i never used windows on a daily base in my whole life
21:42 maximep[…]wers-plugin-lite/
21:43 gmcharlt aropos -[…]307&L=CODE4LIB#35
21:43 gmcharlt er, apropos
21:43 tcohen and am thinking of using it to virtualize my dev toolbox
21:45 wizzyrea maximep: did you pay for the full version?
21:45 drojf "…just like StackOverflow, Yahoo Answers…" it's really ridiculous to see these two next to each other :D
21:45 wizzyrea and what compelled you to rewrite half of it?
21:45 wizzyrea because those are not exactly inspiring statements of support ^.^
21:46 maximep wizzyrea: I don't think so. My company never pays for anything
21:46 maximep because it wasn't done at all to be customizable
21:46 wizzyrea if the plugin were amazing I would pay the 9 bucks
21:46 maximep and we had to add stuff to it
21:46 maximep so would i
21:46 * wizzyrea checks to see if it's actually open source
21:46 maximep the lite version is
21:46 maximep well
21:46 maximep "open"
21:46 wizzyrea everything we do is 100% GPL, so you can customize it as much as you want, we’ll even give you a hand!
21:47 wizzyrea open source doesn't mean "free"
21:47 wizzyrea it just means open :)
21:47 maximep yes, that's why I wrote "open" after. free isn't open hehe
21:47 drojf "If you liked Q&A Lite, you’ll  love... Infinite SEO" sounds lie a threat
21:47 maximep lol
21:48 drojf s/lie/like
21:50 wizzyrea the resistance I feel we will come up against, with using something like q and a
21:51 wizzyrea is that nobody wants to check *another* forum.
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21:51 wizzyrea so in all likelihood, without extensive tending by someone, it won't actually ever get used
21:52 wizzyrea I could be wrong about that.
21:52 maximep only speaking from my experience, I don't use mailing lists
21:52 wizzyrea but a Koha user definitely gets the best exposure for issues by sending questions to the list
21:52 maximep never did, never will. I don't even know how they work
21:52 wizzyrea mailing lists?
21:52 wahanui mailing lists are[…]ha-mailing-lists/
21:52 wizzyrea just like that :P
21:52 maximep that's always been a problem with tons of projects
21:53 maximep I never know who to reply to, always get confused about flow of the conversation
21:53 maximep 95% of messages seem to be reply text
21:53 wizzyrea well you can browse the koha list through gmane or another web portal
21:53 wizzyrea that does threading
21:54 wizzyrea see at the bottom of that page
21:54 wizzyrea you can even reply there
21:54 maximep sure, that's what I use most of the time
21:54 wizzyrea and the replies go to the list
21:54 wizzyrea oh so you *do* use them
21:54 wizzyrea :)
21:54 maximep but still, it's hard to find an answer to a question hidden in 12 replies
21:55 maximep i'm suscribed to all koha digests of the ml
21:55 wizzyrea yea, my thought is that you really need a combo of the lists + upvoting
21:55 maximep but never answered anything
21:55 wizzyrea ugh digests are terrible.
21:55 rambutan gmcharlt: apropos is a perfectly good Linux command that I never use because it takes me too long to figure out how to spell it
21:55 wizzyrea no wonder you're frustrated.
21:56 wizzyrea gmail is good for lists because it has the threaded view
21:56 wizzyrea bad because spying.
21:56 gmcharlt rambutan: heh
21:57 maximep hmmm the best would be a forum/ml/stackoverflow all combined
21:57 maximep haha
21:58 maximep well hmmm there's probably a vanilla (forum) plugin for that
21:58 wizzyrea now, if you could take the web version of the mailing lists, and add upvoting of answers to that
21:58 wizzyrea it would be a winner.
21:58 wizzyrea then the mailing list users could continue doing that, and the people who like web forums could do that
21:58 wizzyrea and they all see the same stuff.
21:58 wizzyrea :P
21:59 * wizzyrea will be expecting your solution to that
21:59 wizzyrea ;) j/k
21:59 maximep I really like because it's usable as a forum, but you can use it as a mailing ling
21:59 maximep *list
21:59 maximep add upvoting to that and it's perfect =)
22:00 wizzyrea hm
22:01 maximep maybe it's because I used forums for years before discovering ml
22:01 maximep when I switched to linux
22:01 wizzyrea could be.
22:01 wizzyrea probably it's just a preference :)
22:01 wizzyrea don't need to have a reason to have feels
22:02 maximep like everything, once we get used to something, it's hard to learn something new
22:02 drojf i'd prefer not to have discussions about why so many people downvoted xy. like, another live dvd
22:03 gmcharlt maximep: yeah, the flipside is that a *lot* of librarians are very used to MLs
22:03 maximep announcing a live cd isn't really a question and is better suited to mailing lists
22:03 maximep mailing lists are the best for announcements
22:06 drojf trea: you can only use the beagle with an android smartphone because it requires a certain app to send books? :/
22:06 trea that's not a problem for me personally
22:07 drojf it would be for me
22:07 pianohacker drojf: no smartphone, or different platform?
22:08 drojf different plattform. but i would also find it ridiculous if i had an android
22:09 pianohacker removes a lot of complexity from the reader :)
22:09 jcamins Alas, no cait.
22:10 drojf • Store and read up to five books at a time … • 4GB internal memory
22:10 jcamins drojf: you may know the answer to this: I was asked if there were public Z39.50 servers for the major German consortia.
22:10 drojf ???
22:10 jcamins drojf: huh?
22:10 cjh drojf: my bet is that some of that 4GB is used by something already, or the books are REALLY high-def :p
22:11 drojf jcamins: i think you usually need an account. which you can get either by being a member or by just asking
22:11 drojf but cait will know better
22:11 drojf cjh: biiig letters lol
22:11 jcamins Thanks. I'll ask cait tomorrow.
22:12 cjh drojf: books in 1080p !
22:13 drojf oh no i broke my notebook power supply again. either i have to take soldering lessons or finally buy a new one
22:13 wizzyrea jcamins: irspy?
22:13 wahanui irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See
22:13 drojf cjh: lol
22:13 drojf cjh: on the 800xsomething screen. but in theory, it's great resolution ;)
22:14 drojf and a really fine gray scale. with gazillions of different grays
22:14 cjh heh
22:14 drojf jcamins: looking for something specific?
22:14 cjh marketing department worked hard on that.
22:15 jcamins wizzyrea: that'd require me to know the names of the consortia.
22:15 wizzyrea you can't search by country
22:15 wizzyrea ?
22:15 jcamins drojf: no, I was asked if there were Z39.50 servers for the large consortia.
22:15 wizzyrea I thought you could
22:15 jcamins wizzyrea: ooh, maybe.
22:15 jcamins Cool! Do you know, I never knew that.
22:16 wizzyrea but your point stands, you'd still possibly have to know the name of the consortia.
22:16 wizzyrea hehe
22:16 wizzyrea highfive!
22:16 wahanui i heard highfive was o/*HIGHFIVE*o
22:16 wizzyrea forget highfive
22:16 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot highfive
22:16 wizzyrea highfive is <reply> o/* HIGHFIVE *\o
22:16 drojf trea: i did not know they sell the beagle for 20€ now. i could of course just buy a cheap android on top of that ;)
22:17 jcamins Actually, I can recognize a lot of them, and at the very least there's HEBIS, KOBV, and GBV.
22:17 wizzyrea yay I helped!
22:17 trea i suppose you could drojf, if you felt the need.
22:18 drojf jcamins:
22:18 drojf trea: not really. but i should check dpavlin's blog if he hacked that thing by any chance .)
22:18 drojf :)
22:18 jcamins And I bet I can find someone who will tell me if there's one for SWB. :)
22:18 * trea returns to useful work.
22:19 * drojf got the implied label of unuseful work
22:21 drojf jcamins: kobv says you have to ask per email. i think they made us an account at some point but i can't check right now[…]rofil_kobv_index/
22:21 drojf (and we are not a member AFAIK)
22:28 drojf jcamins: SWB lite unimarc+ISO 8859-1 sounds vaguely attractive
22:34 jcamins drojf: gee, thanks.
22:35 jcamins Now I need a super-stiff drink.
22:43 * drojf gives up on the power supply and goes to bed
22:43 drojf good night #koha
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23:23 bag @later tell druthb hey if you are around tonight I wanted to talk with you about some data ideas that I need help with - I'll be back in channel around 9pm my time
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