| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Just one more commit and I'll be up to #58 in master... |
| 00:20 |
|
pianohacker |
dcook: is there a ranking? |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
pianohacker: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ster/authors.html |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
I like numbers? |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
I think you're 45 |
| 00:21 |
|
pianohacker |
yup :) which surprises me, actually |
| 00:22 |
|
pianohacker |
and there's a huge long-tail effect |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
Very true. I appreciate the long-tail. Makes me feel better about my contributions, even though I have heaps left to do... |
| 00:25 |
|
pianohacker |
heh, yup. There's always stuff |
| 00:27 |
|
pianohacker |
dcook++ |
| 00:27 |
|
pianohacker |
regardless of size, all contributions are good |
| 01:04 |
|
dcook |
Hmm...just thinking about frameworks... |
| 01:05 |
|
dcook |
If the default framework has every possible field/subfield, except extremely local tags, then all data will be imported properly |
| 01:05 |
|
dcook |
However, if they edit using the default framework, they can still lose data, if there are fields that are marked as !Editor |
| 01:06 |
|
dcook |
Collapsed is fine, since they just won't see the data, but if it is hidden from the editor, that data will be tossed when they hit save, since the record is completely rebuilt from the HTML form... |
| 01:07 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: that's why I tell my libraries that they can add fields to the default framework but not remove them. |
| 01:08 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: Makes sense. |
| 01:08 |
|
dcook |
However, it looks like the default framework has at least some fields where all the subfields are hidden from the editor |
| 01:08 |
|
dcook |
Like the 773 |
| 01:09 |
|
jcamins |
Really? Weird. |
| 01:09 |
|
dcook |
My thoughts exacctly |
| 01:09 |
|
dcook |
exactly even |
| 01:09 |
|
* jcamins |
moves his default framework around. |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
The default should probably be a visibility of "3" rather than "-6"... |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
That way, it's hidden from the OPAC and Intranet, but is present (collapsed) in the editor... |
| 01:11 |
|
jcamins |
I question the value of hiding anything from the OPAC and intranet. |
| 01:12 |
|
jcamins |
I mean, it's not like it's not shown. |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
True. It just governs the MARC views when using TT |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
Not really sure how important that is |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
With the exception of non-public notes, perhaps |
| 01:13 |
|
jcamins |
Since the non-public notes still show up, I'm going to go with "not important at all." ;) |
| 01:13 |
|
dcook |
O_o |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
That's interesting |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
I was hoping this latest round of framework updates would fix things up for good |
| 01:14 |
|
jcamins |
Nope. |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
Having all the tags there is handy though |
| 01:14 |
|
jcamins |
It has nothing to do with the frameworks. |
| 01:15 |
|
jcamins |
The frameworks are just a list of fields. |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
Well...when I say "for good", I meant more in terms of what I was saying than what you were saying :p |
| 01:15 |
|
druthb |
o/ |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
hey druthb :) |
| 01:15 |
|
druthb |
Hi, dcook! |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: They *should* just be lists of fields, but they're certainly more than that |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
I meant in terms of functionality. |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
Although they might not govern any result/detail views (especially with XSLT), they still govern that editor view which is pretty important |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
especially in terms of functionality. |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
The only thing impacted by any setting is the editor. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Mmmm. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Good point. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
But then it is useful to sometimes hide fields from the editor |
| 01:17 |
|
jcamins |
Well, I suppose the "expanded MARC view" is impacted, but... show of hands... how many people use it other than Koha people? None? Right. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Or else we would only need one framework |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Expanded MARC view? |
| 01:17 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 01:18 |
|
jcamins |
iiI guess you don't use it either. |
| 01:18 |
|
jcamins |
s/^ii// |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
Possibly not? |
| 01:18 |
|
druthb |
@later tell bag d00d do you make a habit of keeping old ladies up past their bedtime? I may be here, give it a shot, or email me. |
| 01:18 |
|
huginn` |
druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:19 |
|
jcamins |
I think that proves my point admirably. |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
Might just be a difference of terminology |
| 01:19 |
|
mtj |
hi all, slightly off-topic but… has everyone discovered angular yet -> http://www.angularjs.org/ |
| 01:19 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: actually, I'm just playing with Angular now. |
| 01:19 |
|
jcamins |
*Right* now. |
| 01:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
they use that here some |
| 01:20 |
|
jcamins |
It seems very, very cool. |
| 01:20 |
|
mtj |
...the 'hello world' demo is flippn sweet -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]ded&v=uFTFsKmkQnQ |
| 01:20 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: actually, it's the "labeled MARC view," sorry. |
| 01:21 |
|
mtj |
^^ it makes jq look cumbersome |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: Mmm, I was wondering if that's what you meant. Yeah, I've never seen the point of that at all. |
| 01:21 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: jQuery *is* cumbersome. |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
Up until you compare it to plain old Javascript. |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
At which point you realize that you're okay with jQuery levels of encumberment. |
| 01:22 |
|
jcamins |
*encumbrance |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
Plain old Javascript...O_O |
| 01:22 |
|
mtj |
cumberment |
| 01:23 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: not recommended for DOM manipulation. |
| 01:23 |
|
dcook |
cumberbatch? |
| 01:23 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: I would guess not. I think my latest foray into plain old Javascript recently was analyzing the DOM and even that was...less than pleasant. |
| 01:30 |
|
mtj |
how do people feel about angular being used in koha? |
| 01:33 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: for the OPAC, absolutely not. For the staff client, I guess I'm not sure what the benefit would be. |
| 01:33 |
|
jcamins |
Actually, let me rephrase that. |
| 01:34 |
|
jcamins |
In a perfect world, yes for both. |
| 01:34 |
|
jcamins |
Given the amount of effort that would be necessary to do it well and with server-side fallback where server-side fallback is needed... I can't see anywhere near enough benefit to justify the amount of time it would take. |
| 01:35 |
|
mtj |
hmm, why no for the opac? |
| 01:35 |
|
jcamins |
Because server-side fallback is wildly complex. |
| 01:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
also there will probably be some suspicion of google. |
| 01:36 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: that wasn't one of my objections, though. |
| 01:36 |
|
jcamins |
I'm switching to Angular for Biblionarrator, but there's a lot less code. |
| 01:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
and is not necessarily one of mine, but it might come up |
| 01:36 |
|
jcamins |
And I have cheerfully thrown out 300% of the code that there is, so why not make it 400%? |
| 01:39 |
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| 01:44 |
|
mtj |
ah ok, i wasnt thinking about the server-side part of angular |
| 01:45 |
|
mtj |
…just as a friendlier replacement for general jquery code |
| 01:46 |
|
jcamins |
That'd be a heck of a lot of work. |
| 01:47 |
|
mtj |
heh, yeah, im not actually suggesting we should do that :) |
| 01:52 |
|
mtj |
tho, i think the big point might be… angular and jquery are quite different? |
| 01:53 |
|
mtj |
despite having some things in common |
| 01:53 |
|
jcamins |
They have very little in common, really, other than both being Javascript. |
| 01:54 |
|
jcamins |
jQuery is a library that does lots of stuff -- well, everything, when you take into account plugins -- and Angular is a framework with a templating and routing system. |
| 01:56 |
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| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
Quick question for any Koha XSLT whizzes out there... |
| 01:57 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
Does <xsl:with-param name="codes">a_t</xsl:with-param> refer to codes "a" or "t"? |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
I've seen strings like "abcdefgz" but not "a_t"... |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
I suppose I should look at the template.. |
| 01:58 |
|
jcamins |
It's because "at" is translated." |
| 01:58 |
|
dcook |
is the underscore Koha specific or an XSL thing? |
| 01:58 |
|
jcamins |
The _ is basically a no-op. |
| 01:58 |
|
jcamins |
Neither. |
| 01:58 |
|
wahanui |
neither is running out of time and beeing a nolifer because of all the zebra problems... |
| 01:59 |
|
jcamins |
It just so happens that _ is not a valid subfield code so it never matches anything. |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Tricksy |
| 01:59 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, jcamins dcook. |
| 01:59 |
|
druthb |
Trickssssy little catalogersssss.. |
| 01:59 |
|
druthb |
hi, mtompset! :) |
| 02:00 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. :) |
| 02:00 |
|
dcook |
hey mtompset |
| 02:00 |
|
wahanui |
somebody said mtompset was disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
less true right now. |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
More happier that I've tweaked my external authentication patch to modify LESS files. :) |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
Put it all in koha-conf.xml :) |
| 02:01 |
|
dcook |
And we use long strings because the XPATH contains does a substring search of the codes string... |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
Who needs sysprefs. ;) |
| 02:02 |
|
dcook |
Thanks, jcamins :). |
| 02:02 |
|
wizzyrea |
fewer. |
| 02:03 |
|
dcook |
Happier (minus the more :P) |
| 02:03 |
|
dcook |
Complimentary gifts always make me wonder as well... |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
Although this morning I was thinking I would probably be happier if I didn't notice spelling and grammar issues in the wild. |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
Who needs commas? |
| 02:04 |
|
* dcook |
goes back to the XSLT and thanks jcamins once again |
| 02:04 |
|
mtompset |
dcook: Nah... plus a much... much more happy. :P |
| 02:05 |
|
mtompset |
wizzyrea: fewer? |
| 02:06 |
|
mtompset |
how does xslt know that codes is only 1 character wide? |
| 02:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
mass nouns vs count nouns ;) |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
mtompset, but codes isn't 1 character wide most of the time, me thinks |
| 02:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
you can count the files, so you modify fewer of them. |
| 02:06 |
|
* wizzyrea |
goes away again |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
It substring matches the @code attribute against the codes string which is multiple characters wide |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: Unless they're LESS files rather than less files. |
| 02:07 |
|
mtompset |
less files [than before]. :P |
| 02:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
fewer files. |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
I think Sheldon on BBT did a pretty good explanation of fewer vs less. |
| 02:08 |
|
wizzyrea |
hehe probably |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
My wife used to ridicule me for watching that show...until she watched a few clips herself |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
Although she doesn't think it's funny when I say things like Sheldon :p |
| 02:08 |
|
wizzyrea |
no, his attitude is only funny coming from him, and when you're not the target of it. |
| 02:09 |
|
mtompset |
if you can't count the number of files, it's less. :P |
| 02:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
which actually, makes it kind of antisocial |
| 02:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
but you can, so it's fewer. |
| 02:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
;) |
| 02:09 |
|
mtompset |
at this hour, I can't count past 3. :P |
| 02:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
"you" in the general sense |
| 02:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
I can't speak to your current ability to ^.^ |
| 02:10 |
|
* dcook |
wonders what would happen if the 773 had both an A subfield and a T subfield...probably would just use the first subfield it encountered... |
| 02:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
and now that I've used up an entire year's worth of grammar naziism, i'm going away again. |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
Nope. |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
Both. |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, right |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
Because of the template's foreach |
| 02:11 |
|
mtompset |
wizzyrea: It's okay... It isn't like I'm going to the express lane where it is 12 items or less. ;) |
| 02:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
they're wrong too :P |
| 02:11 |
|
mtompset |
I know. |
| 02:15 |
|
mtompset |
just a second... testing something. |
| 02:15 |
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| 02:16 |
|
mtompset |
Oh... what time is 10:00 UTC? |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, of course...there had to be a time when there is both a A and a T... |
| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
Interesting... |
| 02:17 |
|
wahanui |
interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:17 |
|
mtompset |
6am... that should be possible, if I go to sleep now. |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
Gotta love the wording of MARC |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
"Main entry heading" |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
Pssh |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
night mtompset? |
| 02:19 |
|
mtompset |
I think so. :) |
| 02:19 |
|
mtompset |
Have a good night, jcamins wizzyrea dcook and all lurkers on #koha. :) |
| 02:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
later, sleep well |
| 02:26 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, looks like this jcamins fellow might've written the 773 section of MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl |
| 02:26 |
|
dcook |
jcamins++ |
| 02:29 |
|
jcamins |
IE-- |
| 02:39 |
|
trea |
hey #koha, has anyone seen a problem when trying to view as Card in the z39.50 search results? |
| 02:39 |
|
trea |
"Could not create file parser context for file "/home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/ccsr/en/xslt/compact.xsl": No such file or directory at /home/koha/kohaclone/catalogue/showmarc.pl line 62" |
| 02:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
no but |
| 02:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
guessing ccsr doesn't have that file |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
Isn't ccsr just for the opac though? |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, that looks like a bad path, actualy |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
with two l's |
| 02:41 |
|
trea |
ahh, that makes sense |
| 02:49 |
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| 02:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
does anyone recall a bug where items that are waiting cannot be placed on reserve from the result screen in the OPAC |
| 02:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
this sounds so familiar to me |
| 03:04 |
|
wizzyrea |
found it - bug 9774 |
| 03:04 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search results shows "no holds allowed" for items "Waiting" |
| 03:15 |
|
bag |
evening |
| 03:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
yay, create a whole bunch of testing users at once! http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/order.php |
| 03:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
borrowers, patrons, whatever |
| 03:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
hi bag |
| 03:17 |
|
bag |
hey wizzyrea |
| 03:17 |
|
wahanui |
wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 03:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
LOL |
| 03:17 |
|
bag |
hunks as in doods? |
| 03:17 |
|
* druthb |
reboots her parser. |
| 03:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
looool |
| 03:18 |
|
* druthb |
looks for a string of good-looking men in mental institutions all around, with connections to wizzyrea. |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
I didn't know he had that trick up his sleeve |
| 03:19 |
|
* wizzyrea |
is only married to one hunk |
| 03:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
and he's not institutionalised. |
| 03:19 |
|
cjh |
yet. |
| 03:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
spellcheck++ |
| 03:20 |
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bag |
trea is a dood hunk |
| 03:20 |
|
* trea |
blinks. |
| 03:20 |
|
cjh |
and now he is committed. |
| 03:20 |
|
bag |
and a fan of himself |
| 03:20 |
|
druthb |
wahanui: trea? |
| 03:20 |
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wahanui |
somebody said trea was a fan of Ender's Game too |
| 03:20 |
|
bag |
or we a fan's of dood hunks like trea |
| 03:20 |
|
trea |
i'm not insane. my mother had me tested. |
| 03:21 |
|
cjh |
heh |
| 03:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
that was a weird conversation. |
| 03:38 |
|
mtj |
weird and sexy... |
| 03:39 |
|
mtj |
its so hard these days, finding a hunk that values commitment |
| 03:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 04:18 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, anyone having issues doing phrase searches for titles with GMDs in square brackets? |
| 04:18 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, I think I see the reason again |
| 04:19 |
|
dcook |
I think jcamins might've outlined this once, but I don't think Zebra (at least with GRS-1) indexes the whole 245 |
| 04:19 |
|
dcook |
Or what I mean is... |
| 04:19 |
|
dcook |
the melm 245 adds each subfield to the title index |
| 04:19 |
|
dcook |
Rather than concatenating each subfield together to form one string to put in the title index... |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing#.22Abandon_hope.2C_all_ye_who_enter.22 |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
Blegh... |
| 04:29 |
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dcook |
I understand the example but that's...blegh |
| 04:41 |
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| 04:41 |
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AmitG |
papa around? |
| 04:41 |
|
papa |
yep, hi |
| 05:08 |
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| 05:12 |
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bag |
heya cait |
| 05:12 |
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cjh |
cait? |
| 05:12 |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, cait. |
| 05:12 |
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cait |
hi bag and cjh :) |
| 05:12 |
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cait |
cjh: wish i could :) |
| 05:12 |
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cjh |
eythian is <reply>go back to bed, eythian |
| 05:13 |
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cjh |
wahanui: eythian is <reply>go back to bed, eythian |
| 05:13 |
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wahanui |
...but eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.|an expert bot trainer... |
| 05:13 |
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cjh |
wahanui: eythian is also <reply>go back to bed, eythian |
| 05:13 |
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wahanui |
okay, cjh. |
| 05:17 |
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cait |
cjh: heh |
| 05:17 |
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| 05:17 |
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cait |
eythian? |
| 05:17 |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, eythian |
| 05:18 |
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cait |
:) |
| 05:18 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
when is the irc meeting today? |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
someone good with timezones? :) |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
or did i miss it already? |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
I think it's already past? |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
@wunder sydney, australia |
| 05:25 |
|
huginn` |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 15.0°C (3:00 PM EST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1032 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
For some reason I thought that would have UTC... |
| 05:26 |
|
dcook |
Or maybe it's in 5 hours.. |
| 05:26 |
|
dcook |
4.5 maybe.. |
| 05:26 |
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dcook |
cait: Yep, I think it's in 4.5 hours |
| 05:26 |
|
cait |
oh |
| 05:26 |
|
cait |
ok |
| 05:27 |
|
dcook |
Someone did a great job on the OPAC XSLT |
| 05:27 |
|
dcook |
Of course, it makes my record type facet look terrible now :p |
| 05:31 |
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dcook |
Hmm, maybe I'll just change my record type facet to accord with the defs laid out in the XSLT...that could work |
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bag |
hmmm… need a bit of logic help |
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dcook |
Logic? |
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dcook |
I like logic :D |
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cait |
too early in th emorning for that |
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cait |
:P |
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bag |
I'm creating a script to map leader positions or 008 positions to create itypes for a library that is not automated ... |
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bag |
but somewhere in my script if the record does not have a 008 - it bombs out |
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dcook |
Certainly sounds like a logic issue |
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dcook |
Neat idea, btw |
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bag |
so I know I need to add a - well SHIT if there isn't a 008 then skip the record dood |
| 05:39 |
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dcook |
lol |
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bag |
but it's just not clear to me at the moment |
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dcook |
Depends on how you're iterating through your collection of records, I suppose |
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dcook |
And with what language |
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bag |
language is bag = dumbass :P |
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bag |
well I'm just selecting bib number from items (got items but no itypes)… |
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dcook |
Not sure I follow.. |
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bag |
then running it through about 30 if eslif (leader 6 = 'a') && (008 = "i") make it this itype |
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bag |
or just leader 6 = 'c' make it this itype |
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bag |
but for some reason if there isn't a 008 in the record it doesn't make it down to my final esle - which say nothing found make it UNKONWN itype |
| 05:43 |
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bag |
basically dcook it's reading shitty perl by a tired person :P |
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bag |
heh |
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dcook |
Are you checking to see if you have an 008 defined before doing that elsif? |
| 05:45 |
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dcook |
If not, I'm sure you would get a "008 is not defined..." warning that would stop your script |
| 05:45 |
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dcook |
I know I've certainly done that when trying to extract values from a MARC object in Perl |
| 05:47 |
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dcook |
Oh my...DisplayOPACiconsXSLT does not make sense... |
| 05:47 |
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dcook |
But I don't overly want to fix it at the moment... |
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dcook |
Bug report! |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
good morning drojf |
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drojf |
hi cait :) |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.7°C (8:13 AM CEST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.3°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
hi BobB :) |
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BobB |
hi cait :) |
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BobB |
@wunder Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
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huginn` |
BobB: Error: No such location could be found. |
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BobB |
@wunder Sydney NSW |
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huginn` |
BobB: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:26 |
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BobB |
Well, we're here. |
| 06:26 |
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drojf |
hi BobB |
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drojf |
lol |
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drojf |
@wunder sydney, australia |
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drojf: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (4:00 PM EST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady). |
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BobB |
Hurumphhhh |
| 06:26 |
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BobB |
But thanks! :) |
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drojf |
:) |
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dcook |
I thought there was some vandalism until I realized I was the one who put in that test ISBN... |
| 06:40 |
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dcook |
My test bib? "Alcohol and alcoholism : international journal of the Medical Council on Alcoholism" |
| 06:40 |
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dcook |
Seemed relevant to that cover image... |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
bidet, reiveune |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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* dcook |
waves to gaetan_B |
| 07:25 |
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dcook |
That moment when you spend 15 minutes cleverly figuring out a way to make a Record Type facet match the "Type" of the XSLT...just to realize that you're really just changing the label for the same value: "a" |
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dcook |
And that there is no reason to have "Book" and "Continuing Resource" when they're both of "Language material" or "Text" type... |
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dcook |
Oy... |
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dcook |
All right. Night time. |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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sophie_m |
Guten Morgen kf |
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kf |
hi sophie_m :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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drojf |
hi eythian |
| 08:46 |
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drojf |
i wanted to send a meeting reminder to the mailing list but can't access that email account at the moment. if somebody else feels like doing it, go ahead |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising). |
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eythian |
@wunder brighton, uk |
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eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 21.6°C (10:15 AM BST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
10 seems optimistic |
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rangi |
yeah, its more like 7 |
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rangi |
hmm 8.8 apparently |
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rangi |
http://www.wunderground.com/we[…]asp?ID=IWELLING75 |
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cjh |
so the meeting is in 20 mins? |
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cjh |
leaving for home now, hope to make it.. |
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rangi |
yep |
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* drojf |
hopes somebody will bring meeting cookies |
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kf |
cookies |
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eythian |
wahanui: cookies |
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wahanui |
Cookies are delicious delicacies |
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wizzyrea |
cookies! Cookies for everyone! |
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cjh |
and back xD |
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drojf |
church bells say it's time for a meeting ;) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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jwagner |
My calendar says there's a meeting.... |
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BobB |
I think we're waiting for a chairperson? |
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kf |
are we? |
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kf |
gmcharlt: ? :) |
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kf |
worth a try |
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drojf |
oh look, kf volunteered :) |
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wizzyrea |
#startmeeting |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn`. |
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BobB |
:) |
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thd |
Someone in some other part of the world must be awake. |
| 10:06 |
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wizzyrea |
#startmeeting Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Wed Jul 10 10:06:34 2013 UTC. The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting_10_7_13' |
| 10:06 |
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kf |
wizzyrea: thx :) |
| 10:06 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic introductions |
| 10:06 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:06 |
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Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:06 |
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wizzyrea |
gogo |
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kf |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 10:07 |
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wizzyrea |
#info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 10:07 |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 10:07 |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
| 10:07 |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 10:07 |
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eythian |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 10:07 |
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cjh |
#info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT |
| 10:07 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (asleep) |
| 10:08 |
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kf |
lots of catalyst tonight :) |
| 10:08 |
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wizzyrea |
Alright, welcome everybody to the July edition of the Koha IRC community meeting |
| 10:08 |
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wizzyrea |
we'll start with |
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wizzyrea |
#topic Announcements |
| 10:08 |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:08 |
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wizzyrea |
anybody got any? |
| 10:09 |
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oleonard |
If anyone hasn't heard, I'm working on a new theme for the OPAC |
| 10:09 |
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wizzyrea |
we are running a copy of oleonard's responsive bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz |
| 10:09 |
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cjh |
awesome |
| 10:09 |
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kf |
wizzyrea: can we send that to the maling list maybe? |
| 10:09 |
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kf |
wizzyrea: culd get more libraries involved in testing |
| 10:09 |
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wizzyrea |
not really sure about that kf |
| 10:09 |
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oleonard |
It's still a work-in-progress, but I'm interested in getting feedback |
| 10:10 |
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thd |
oleonard: Is that also fully resizeable with no commitment to particular screen size? |
| 10:10 |
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wizzyrea |
thd: you should check it |
| 10:10 |
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oleonard |
thd: Responsive, yes |
| 10:10 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 10:10 |
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mtj |
hi all |
| 10:10 |
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mtj |
#info Mason James, NZ |
| 10:10 |
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wizzyrea |
#action Liz will check about sending the responsive demo to the mailing list |
| 10:11 |
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wizzyrea |
other announcements? |
| 10:11 |
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wizzyrea |
Alrighty then, on to |
| 10:11 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic 3.8 update |
| 10:11 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.8 update (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:11 |
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wizzyrea |
cjh, over to you |
| 10:11 |
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thd |
oleonard: just making certain people who believe the world is exactly 960 pixels wide have not been creeping in the back door. |
| 10:11 |
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mtj |
#info http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_10_July_2013 |
| 10:11 |
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cjh |
Things have been very quiet since 3.8.14 |
| 10:12 |
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cjh |
the problem we had with 3.8.14 regarding translations may have a fix, email from bgkriegel that I have to look into, so hopefully 3.8.15 will have some new translations :) |
| 10:12 |
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wizzyrea |
you planning a 15? |
| 10:12 |
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kf |
thd: I think oleonard has proven he is not one of those people |
| 10:12 |
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wizzyrea |
cool, so yes |
| 10:13 |
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cjh |
3.10.x hasnt had any more patches since it's last release, so I will have to check bugzilla for that, the translations themselves might justify a 3.8.15. |
| 10:13 |
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wizzyrea |
#info 3.8.15, assuming that the translations are fixed, will be on schedule |
| 10:14 |
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cjh |
I think that is everything I have worth saying. |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
cjh++ :) |
| 10:14 |
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wizzyrea |
how are you feeling about retiring the 3.8 line? |
| 10:15 |
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wizzyrea |
or, how is *anyone* feeling about retiring the 3.8 line |
| 10:15 |
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kf |
hm i think we always said that we will maintain it as long as someone wants to maintain |
| 10:15 |
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cjh |
my thinking was that at the 3.14 release I wouldn't continue, so it depends if someone else wanted to carry it on. |
| 10:15 |
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rangi |
releases are always maintained as long as someone wants to maintain them |
| 10:16 |
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drojf |
will we have packages of older releases at some point? |
| 10:16 |
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slef |
#info MJ Ray, software.coop member, England |
| 10:16 |
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wizzyrea |
#info cjh thinks he will stop as maintainer for 3.8 after the Pi release |
| 10:16 |
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rangi |
drojf: hasnt happened yet |
| 10:16 |
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kf |
so i think if cjh is willing to continue until 3.14 that would be nice? |
| 10:17 |
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eythian |
drojf: if you want to build and maintain them :) |
| 10:17 |
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drojf |
eythian: i don't :) |
| 10:17 |
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eythian |
(or, there's sufficient call for them, which hasn't really happened) |
| 10:17 |
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wizzyrea |
cjh++, thanks for the update |
| 10:17 |
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cjh |
kf: that is the plan :) |
| 10:17 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic 3.10 update |
| 10:17 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.10 update (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:18 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:18 |
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cjh |
I don't think Bernardo is here |
| 10:19 |
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wizzyrea |
I think the maintainer is not around - my knowledge of it is that releases are continuing on schedule |
| 10:19 |
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wizzyrea |
soo |
| 10:19 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic 3.12 update |
| 10:19 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.12 update (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:19 |
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wizzyrea |
is tcohen about? |
| 10:19 |
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kf |
hm might be a little early for him not sure |
| 10:20 |
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wizzyrea |
also not, so the same update there as well - releases are continuing on schedule. |
| 10:20 |
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wizzyrea |
does anyone have anything they would like to bring up for posterity regarding 3.10 or 3.12 at this time? |
| 10:20 |
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eythian |
oh one thing |
| 10:20 |
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wahanui |
i think one thing is sure there is no AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/Members.pm in the untarred source tree of koha-3.02.01.tar.gz |
| 10:20 |
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kf |
tcohen++ bgkriegel++? :) |
| 10:21 |
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oleonard |
Hush wahanui |
| 10:21 |
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wizzyrea |
continue, eythian :) |
| 10:21 |
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eythian |
a minor thing is that 3.12 has a new dependency, so the next release will require a dist-upgrade rather than a normal one. |
| 10:21 |
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eythian |
Just making sure it's documented somewhere. |
| 10:21 |
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eythian |
(this catches people out whenever it happens) |
| 10:22 |
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wizzyrea |
#info 3.12 has a new dependency, it will require a dist-upgrade instead of a normal upgrade for package users |
| 10:22 |
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wizzyrea |
cool, thanks eythian |
| 10:22 |
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wizzyrea |
speaking of, it's not in the agenda - but |
| 10:22 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic packaging update |
| 10:22 |
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Topic for #koha is now packaging update (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:22 |
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wizzyrea |
anything to note really? |
| 10:22 |
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cjh |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
besides what is already noted? :P |
| 10:23 |
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eythian |
not really. |
| 10:23 |
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wizzyrea |
excellent. no news is good news. |
| 10:23 |
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eythian |
it's all fine. |
| 10:23 |
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wizzyrea |
right - so |
| 10:23 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic 3.14 update |
| 10:23 |
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Topic for #koha is now 3.14 update (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:23 |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt? |
| 10:23 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology |
| 10:23 |
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wizzyrea |
well yes, but is he around? |
| 10:24 |
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wizzyrea |
I highly doubt it. |
| 10:24 |
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kf |
you know the ninja he is... |
| 10:24 |
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wizzyrea |
QA, would you like to say anything? |
| 10:24 |
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kf |
might just show up any second out of nowhere |
| 10:24 |
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BobB |
:) |
| 10:24 |
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kf |
hm i guess the usual: please people, keep testing and test well, sign off and write test plans |
| 10:24 |
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kf |
oh and also, try to go beyond the test plan of the developer |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
ask yourself what else might break and if the change makes sense |
| 10:25 |
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drojf |
i'm german, we follow orders |
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kf |
shush |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:25 |
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wizzyrea |
#info QA requests "please people, keep testing and test well, sign off and write test plans" |
| 10:25 |
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cjh |
kf++ |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
so nothing new really ;) |
| 10:25 |
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wizzyrea |
#info and please try to go beyond the test plan of the developer |
| 10:25 |
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kf |
thx wizzyrea :) |
| 10:26 |
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wizzyrea |
#info ask yourself what else might break and if the change makes sense |
| 10:26 |
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wizzyrea |
How are the queues looking? |
| 10:26 |
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kf |
dashboard? |
| 10:26 |
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wahanui |
i heard dashboard was at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 10:26 |
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kf |
not too bad |
| 10:26 |
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kf |
i think we need someone lookig at unimarc patches |
| 10:27 |
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wizzyrea |
#action someone please look at unimarc patches. It's getting a little silly. |
| 10:27 |
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kf |
and we have some bigger patches going back and forth |
| 10:27 |
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kf |
hey, i didn't say that! :) |
| 10:27 |
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wizzyrea |
I did! |
| 10:27 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 10:27 |
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wizzyrea |
#info let the record show that it was wizzyrea who proclaimed the level of unimarc patches "silly," not kf |
| 10:28 |
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kf |
heh |
| 10:28 |
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mtj |
'needs signoff' is quite high, atm |
| 10:28 |
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rangi |
nothing in there is very old to |
| 10:28 |
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rangi |
tho |
| 10:29 |
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drojf |
i think a lot goes in, a lot goes out |
| 10:29 |
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wizzyrea |
#info get busy signoffers! only about 3 months left! (ish) |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
oh wow true! |
| 10:29 |
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mtj |
thats a nice point chris :) |
| 10:29 |
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wizzyrea |
yea the turnover seems quite good lately |
| 10:30 |
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wizzyrea |
#info nothing in the signoff queue is all too old, so good work on that. Keep it up! |
| 10:30 |
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drojf |
we are a productive bunch of people ;) |
| 10:30 |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]?s=Koha&p=Koha&c= |
| 10:31 |
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wizzyrea |
ok, if there's nothing else about 3.14 (code name Pi) |
| 10:31 |
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wizzyrea |
on to |
| 10:31 |
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mtj |
fwiw, 'needs signoff' was very low 3 months ago… such is progress :) |
| 10:31 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic Kohacon13 |
| 10:31 |
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Topic for #koha is now Kohacon13 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:31 |
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wizzyrea |
3 months ago we released ^.^ |
| 10:31 |
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wizzyrea |
updates on kohacon? how is the planning going? |
| 10:32 |
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wizzyrea |
hm seems no one is around who wants to talk about that eh |
| 10:32 |
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wizzyrea |
fair enough - |
| 10:32 |
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BobB |
I'll be coming. We think (at the mo') that Irma may not this time. |
| 10:33 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, quick poll, how many in attendance are planning to go to Kohacon? |
| 10:33 |
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BobB |
+1 |
| 10:33 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 10:33 |
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rangi |
+1 |
| 10:33 |
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slef |
0 |
| 10:33 |
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drojf |
0 |
| 10:34 |
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kf |
what are we voting? |
| 10:34 |
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wizzyrea |
0 (lianza instead) |
| 10:34 |
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kf |
sorry, got distracted for a sec :) |
| 10:34 |
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rangi |
if we are going to kohacon |
| 10:34 |
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wizzyrea |
attendance to kohacon |
| 10:34 |
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kf |
+1! |
| 10:34 |
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* kf |
wants to mention the volunteers page |
| 10:34 |
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kf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon13_Volunteers |
| 10:34 |
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eythian |
0 |
| 10:34 |
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cjh |
0 |
| 10:35 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
| 10:35 |
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mtj |
0 |
| 10:35 |
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wizzyrea |
cool, so a few in attendance are going, and it should be a good time :D |
| 10:35 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic Kohacon14 |
| 10:35 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:35 |
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Topic for #koha is now Kohacon14 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
i said i'd send a mail to the list asking for proposals, which i did http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]-June/036518.html |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
i set up a wiki page for the proposals and we already got a first entry by tcohen and bgkriegel for kohacon in argentina http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con2014_Proposals |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
I think we got one proposal from argentina |
| 10:36 |
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wizzyrea |
ah good someone who has something to talk about! |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
I think next step would be setting a date for the vote? |
| 10:36 |
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kf |
that might also trigger more proposals |
| 10:36 |
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wizzyrea |
when do you want to cut off the proposals? |
| 10:37 |
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wizzyrea |
no later than kohacon? |
| 10:37 |
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wizzyrea |
or a month in advance? |
| 10:37 |
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drojf |
i'd say around kohacon13 |
| 10:37 |
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wizzyrea |
let's say have the vote a few weeks before Kohacon, so that the organisers can meet and hobnob |
| 10:38 |
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drojf |
a few weeks before kohacon is now :P |
| 10:38 |
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wizzyrea |
errr |
| 10:38 |
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wizzyrea |
it's in october :P |
| 10:38 |
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drojf |
so voting beginning of october? |
| 10:38 |
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drojf |
that is only a few weeks away ;) |
| 10:39 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, and submissions by mid september |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
wizzyrea. I think that drojf is correct meaning that you would be setting an impossible case. |
| 10:39 |
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rangi |
what? |
| 10:39 |
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BobB |
No, Sept is two months away. |
| 10:40 |
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wizzyrea |
kohacon14 |
| 10:40 |
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rangi |
you cant really have the vote after october |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
i think another reminder to the list and begining of october/end of september |
| 10:40 |
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rangi |
that would make it impossible to actually organise a functional conference (or at least very very hard) |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
and make sure we get the voting mechanism and tool sorted way in advance |
| 10:40 |
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wizzyrea |
#info submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
i'd send another mail asking for proposals a little before next meeting so we can have a look at the outcome at the meeting |
| 10:41 |
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wizzyrea |
will you do that drojf? |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
yes |
| 10:41 |
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kf |
drojf++ :) |
| 10:41 |
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wizzyrea |
#action drojf will send a reminder for people to get in their proposals by September 15 |
| 10:41 |
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BobB |
Cook is out. England 1-27 (for those who know what that means) |
| 10:41 |
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wizzyrea |
drojf++ |
| 10:42 |
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thd |
If we have people giving attention to proposed venues at this time the case may not be impossible, otherwise Argentina would be chosen by default. |
| 10:42 |
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rangi |
im fine with taht |
| 10:42 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic Action items from last meeting |
| 10:42 |
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Topic for #koha is now Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:43 |
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rangi |
its not like this is some new conference |
| 10:43 |
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wizzyrea |
we are still working diligently to "test all the things" so can put a tick next to that one |
| 10:43 |
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wizzyrea |
(but keep it up please and thank you) |
| 10:43 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:43 |
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wizzyrea |
and drojf is again on the hook for kohacon emails :) but other than that, I think we are done here |
| 10:44 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic Anything else? |
| 10:44 |
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Topic for #koha is now Anything else? (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:44 |
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kf |
nope |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
more cookies |
| 10:44 |
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wizzyrea |
Thank you all very much for your attention and commitment to the community, we will see you back here next month (if not before!) |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
we should set a date ;) |
| 10:44 |
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thd |
:) |
| 10:44 |
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kf |
and a time |
| 10:45 |
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wizzyrea |
oh yes |
| 10:45 |
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wizzyrea |
#topic time and date of next meeting |
| 10:45 |
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Topic for #koha is now time and date of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC meeting 10-7-13) |
| 10:45 |
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wizzyrea |
someone who is good at calendars please help |
| 10:45 |
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drojf |
i think it's the uneuropean timeslot. 2UTC? |
| 10:45 |
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kf |
7th? |
| 10:45 |
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wahanui |
i guess 7th is worth a try |
| 10:45 |
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wizzyrea |
7 Aug, 2UTC? |
| 10:46 |
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* kf |
will be sleeping |
| 10:46 |
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* drojf |
too |
| 10:46 |
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wizzyrea |
#agreed Next meeting is 7 Aug, 2013, 0200 UTC |
| 10:47 |
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wizzyrea |
because no one stopped me to tell me otherwise |
| 10:47 |
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thd |
Would anyone objecgt to 14 Aug.? |
| 10:47 |
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wizzyrea |
mmm we usually do it first week |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
unless brooke visits the opera |
| 10:47 |
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wizzyrea |
errr |
| 10:47 |
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thd |
Oh actually 2 UTC is not an obstacle for the first week. |
| 10:47 |
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kf |
i think shorter is better than longer |
| 10:47 |
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kf |
ok, have to go - bbl |
| 10:48 |
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wizzyrea |
ok, 7th is alright - all ok :) |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
+1 14 Aug. 2 UTC |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
+1 7 Aug. 2 UTC |
| 10:48 |
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thd |
s/14/7/ |
| 10:48 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 10:48 |
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wizzyrea |
gotya |
| 10:48 |
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wizzyrea |
Thank you all again, have a good $timeofday |
| 10:48 |
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wizzyrea |
#endmeeting |
| 10:48 |
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BobB |
Thanks wizzyrea |
| 10:48 |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 10 July 2013 at 10:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes |
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Meeting ended Wed Jul 10 10:48:49 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn` |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-10-10.06.html |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-07-10-10.06.txt |
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huginn` |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]10-10.06.log.html |
| 10:48 |
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drojf |
wizzyrea++ |
| 10:49 |
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BobB |
thd, oleonard I will look forward to meeting you in Reno. |
| 10:49 |
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mtj |
wizzyrea++ nice driving |
| 10:49 |
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oleonard |
wizzyrea++ |
| 10:49 |
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* wizzyrea |
only drives because no one else seems to want to :P |
| 10:50 |
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* oleonard |
caught a possum in his back yard last night |
| 10:50 |
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thd |
I will be pleased to see everyone in Reno. |
| 10:50 |
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* oleonard |
wonders what to do with it |
| 10:50 |
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BobB |
??? |
| 10:50 |
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BobB |
kidding, surely? |
| 10:51 |
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oleonard |
Nope. |
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thd |
oleonard: Build a possum gymnasium. |
| 10:51 |
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oleonard |
Live trap, baited with some fruit. |
| 10:51 |
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oleonard |
We just got baby bunnies, and we knew some kind of animal had been coming to the back yard. |
| 10:51 |
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BobB |
squirrel, p'raps |
| 10:52 |
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thd |
Possums are much better gymnasts than baby bunnies. |
| 10:53 |
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drojf |
have a possum BBQ? |
| 10:53 |
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* thd |
continues sleeping in the darkness where the possums cannot find me |
| 10:53 |
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BobB |
http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/40[…]ca-all-explained/ |
| 10:53 |
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BobB |
You had me going there :) |
| 10:53 |
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wizzyrea |
animal control? |
| 10:54 |
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wizzyrea |
possums have those weird ratlike tails |
| 10:54 |
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wizzyrea |
and pointy faces |
| 10:55 |
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oleonard |
Ah, so Australia has cute possums, America has terrifying devil possums |
| 10:55 |
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rangi |
possums are bad wrong and evil |
| 10:55 |
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wizzyrea |
they put out poison pellets to kill them off |
| 10:55 |
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wizzyrea |
they are quite bad about the birds, I think |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conserv[…]ests-a-z/possums/ |
| 10:56 |
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wizzyrea |
now, hedgehogs, on the other hand |
| 10:56 |
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wizzyrea |
are adorable pests. |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
they are fine in australia |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
bad in nz |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
we dont have dingos to kill them |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
and they arent cute when they are hissing and clawing their way up your leg |
| 10:56 |
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drojf |
i think it's lovely http://cdn.bobinoz.com/wp-cont[…]_819581de1c_o.jpg |
| 10:57 |
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BobB |
Anything introduced is generally bad |
| 10:57 |
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drojf |
i bet it likes black metal. maybe it is even a black metal singer |
| 10:57 |
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BobB |
Cane toads!@!**@! |
| 10:58 |
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rangi |
possum + merino = nice clothes |
| 10:58 |
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* wizzyrea |
imagines bald possums, shudders |
| 10:58 |
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rangi |
http://wearnewzealand.com/fash[…]m-merino-knitwear |
| 10:58 |
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rangi |
you kills them first |
| 10:58 |
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rangi |
serves them right for eating kiwis |
| 10:59 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, they should not eat kiwis. :( Kiwis are cute. |
| 10:59 |
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rangi |
deer too |
| 10:59 |
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rangi |
and rabbits |
| 11:00 |
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rangi |
and then the stoats they introduced to kill the rabbits |
| 11:00 |
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rangi |
that dude was a genius! |
| 11:00 |
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rangi |
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conserv[…]pests-a-z/stoats/ |
| 11:01 |
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wizzyrea |
blarg |
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wizzyrea |
more cats now too eh |
| 11:01 |
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wizzyrea |
ok stoats are reasonably cute. |
| 11:01 |
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wizzyrea |
but still vile. |
| 11:02 |
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BobB |
good night #koha |
| 11:02 |
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rangi |
yeah cats are super bad when you have flightless birds |
| 11:02 |
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rangi |
cos cats kill for fun |
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oleonard |
I'll be back later |
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rangi |
psychos |
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oleonard |
I'll check the logs for more info on wild animals |
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drojf |
who needs birds if you can have cats? |
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* wizzyrea |
has the friendliest tui in her neighborhood |
| 11:03 |
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wizzyrea |
chatty thing, we talk every morning |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh_Ly4ewgCM |
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wizzyrea |
<3 |
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wizzyrea |
the one in my neighborhood has a specific call for me |
| 11:05 |
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wizzyrea |
it's the same every day |
| 11:05 |
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wizzyrea |
breeeeet <click click click> |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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wizzyrea |
hm might be bedtime |
| 11:24 |
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eythian |
I think you mean lunchtime. |
| 11:24 |
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wizzyrea |
thanks, I had curry for lunch |
| 11:25 |
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wizzyrea |
but yes have a good lunch I'll jabber at you all on the flip side |
| 11:25 |
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eythian |
later |
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kf |
:) |
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eythian |
http://www.april.org/en/first-[…]ity-free-software |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 12:08 |
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oleonard |
Because I know you were all waiting to see my catch: http://imgur.com/KE19Hxz |
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jcamins |
oleonard: what is that, and where did you catch it? |
| 12:12 |
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oleonard |
It's an American Opossum, and I caught it in my back yard. |
| 12:13 |
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oleonard |
(this is why you shouldn't miss meetings jcamins, you miss out on all sorts of stuff) |
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jcamins |
But you know what I didn't miss out on? I didn't miss out on sleep. |
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chris_n |
nice catch oleonard; did he hiss much at you? |
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oleonard |
No hissing, just baring of teeth. He was a very bummed-out possum. |
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chris_n |
heh, I imagine so |
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khall |
mornin all! |
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khall |
oleonard: this patch could use a bit of your UI magic: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10558 |
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huginn` |
Bug 10558: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Convert records table in manage-marc-import.pl to ajax DataTable |
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oleonard |
I'll take a look khall |
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khall |
thanks! |
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oleonard |
khall: What does the OPAC's course reserves search form search? |
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khall |
oleonard: department, course number, section, course name, term, public note, intstructor |
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oleonard |
So basically everything :) |
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oleonard |
Thanks |
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khall |
pretty much! |
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khall |
One note: search by instructor has to by "Firstname Surname" or "Surname Firstname" |
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khall |
I mean "Surname, Firstname" |
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drojf |
oleonard: great catch. what are you doing with it now? |
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oleonard |
drojf: Trying to decide whose yard to release it in ;) |
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drojf |
lol |
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kf |
oleonard: well done! |
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jcamins |
@wunder 11375 |
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jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 24.9°C (8:58 AM EDT on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
oleonard: the annoying neighbour's window counts as a yard, right? |
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eythian |
@wunder BN1 1AL |
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eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 25.6°C (2:01 PM BST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 28.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
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oleonard |
An Ohio Department of Wildlife official told us that if we caught a raccoon we should shoot it. |
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oleonard |
...all us Americans each having a gun, naturally. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: naturally. |
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eythian |
he meant with a camera. |
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* oleonard |
hopes it's legal to shoot a possum with a camera in this state |
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* eythian |
reports oleonard |
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* kf |
stops eythian |
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kf |
we still need him to finish the new theme |
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oleonard |
I believe the original Joy of Cooking had dressing instructions for possums... it did for other varmints. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I think it did, yes. |
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kf |
hm but wouldn't it just lick off the dressing? |
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oleonard |
:P |
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kf |
bug 10401 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10401 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add ability to merge invoices |
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oleonard |
Bugzilla upgrade? Things look different |
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oleonard |
Dashboard? New Case? New Run? |
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eythian |
I wonder if that's a plugin |
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kf |
it#s something rangi and gmcharlt were testing |
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kf |
ithink you can savely ignore the dashboard line right now |
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kf |
i asked rangi this morning about it |
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kf |
oleonard++ :) |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: yep, something I'm playing with -- goal is to have some place to store test plans |
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eythian |
@wunder BN1 1AL |
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jcamins |
oleonard: do you know of any examples where we visually highlight a row on a table? |
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oleonard |
On the items edit page if you are editing one of the existing items |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Slept it too late for the meeting. :( |
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mtompset |
^it^in^ |
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drojf |
what is a good (and free, preferably as in freedom) text editor with syntax highlighting (html is enough) for mac os? |
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eythian |
vim? |
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wahanui |
well, vim is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dex.php?title=Vim |
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jcamins |
Definitely vim. |
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drojf |
...for somebody that starts learning html |
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eythian |
now you go with the scope creep. |
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jcamins |
TextWrangler? |
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drojf |
jcamins: i found that. is it good? |
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jcamins |
drojf: it's not vim, but other than that it seems fine. |
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jcamins |
Shari's been using it. |
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drojf |
looks like it is only free as in beer but i think that will do for the person who is supposed to use it |
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drojf |
thanks :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, jcamins eythian drojf. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1299 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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mtompset |
Okay... feature idea: if a user has catalogue or superlibrarian access they can override the OpacHiddenItems for their branch or completely in OPAC. Good, bad, strange? Feedback anyone? |
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eythian |
to what end? |
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eythian |
they can just use the staff client. |
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mtompset |
To allow patrons who are not staff, but are allowed to see hidden collections to see them. |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10356: improve display of serial issue dates in staff bib details page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1b216d2bab8efbdc9> |
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mtompset |
If the patrons were only staff who wanted this, I would agree that the staff client is the way to go, eythian. |
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eythian |
but if they have those permissions, they are staff. |
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eythian |
It's the wrong approach anyway |
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eythian |
If you want certain borrowers to be able to see suppressed thing, create an attribute for borrowers called "can see suppressed things" |
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eythian |
don't overload something else, especially something important. |
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mtompset |
so extended attributes, that makes sense. |
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tcohen |
if it will be on koha's business logic then not an extended attribute |
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eythian |
dunno about extended attributes specifically, they tend to be less function-oriented. |
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eythian |
But something. |
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wahanui |
somebody said something was fishy |
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eythian |
yeah, what tcohen said |
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eythian |
I'm wondering about an option in the patron categories settings. |
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eythian |
so you can apply it to a range of "special" people. |
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mtompset |
So actually modifying the borrower record for this attribute? |
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mtompset |
by patron category... |
| 15:06 |
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mtompset |
That's possible. |
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mtompset |
That's cleaner. |
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eythian |
not the borrower record, the borrower categories. |
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drojf |
mtompset: but you need a user category for it? in contrast to "show it to people that are logged in, not to those who are not"? |
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drojf |
i mean, you want to also have users that can login, but not see the hidden stuff? |
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drojf |
can't form useful sentences after 7 hours in the office |
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mtompset |
Yes, users could login without seein everything. |
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eythian |
They have a lot of secret codexes to hide. |
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drojf |
does OpacHiddenItems really hide the items (and show the biblios)? |
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mtompset |
I believe so. |
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drojf |
and that is what you want? |
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drojf |
if i find a biblio in the opac that has no items i would wonder why it is in the opac in the first place |
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drojf |
or do you only have secret doublets to hide? |
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eythian |
I tend to think they should be hidden anyway. Perhaps with conditions that show them, e.g. has an 856 entry. |
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eythian |
@marc 856 |
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huginn` |
eythian: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
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eythian |
@marc 852 |
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huginn` |
eythian: Identifies the organization holding the item or from which it is available. May also contain detailed information about how to locate the item in a collection. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,p,q,s,t,u,x,z,2,3,6,8] |
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eythian |
I often confuse those two numbers. Not this time however. |
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mtompset |
drojf: Yes, that's what I'd want. |
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drojf |
you have weird secrets |
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drojf |
and our secrets are more secret than yours apparently :P |
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mtompset |
Yes, yes we do. |
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mtompset |
because you don't catalogue them? ;) |
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drojf |
we suppress the biblio |
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drojf |
from search results and, coming soon, the detail view |
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khall |
gmcharlt, rangi, jcamins, et al : I'm working on a Patron Lists feature not dissimilar to the record lists feature Koha already has. I have a namespace question. I've started writing it using patron_lists as the table and Koha::PatronLists as the namesapce. I'm wondering if I should switch to BorrowerLists, however, I'm concerned it seems like lists *for* borrowers, and not lists *of* borrowers. In addition, I like the idea of moving |
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jcamins |
khall: idea of moving... [cut off here] |
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khall |
like the idea of moving our internal nomenclature to match our external nomenclature. Any input would be great. I don't have to get all the way done and have to rename everything! |
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khall |
s/moving/making/ |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jcamins |
khall: well, I'm the wrong person to ask about nomenclature. |
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jcamins |
I have had to rename every single class I've written at least once. |
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khall |
heh! |
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eythian |
There are two tricky problems in computer science: caching, naming things, and fencepost errors. |
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khall |
I imagine gmcharlt is the go to for this, but I'm not sure when he'll be around. I guess I'll just push on and worry about it later. |
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jcamins |
He was here an hour ago. |
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eythian |
@seen gmcharlt |
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huginn` |
eythian: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> oleonard: yep, something I'm playing with -- goal is to have some place to store test plans |
| 15:35 |
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gmcharlt |
khall: given the wide disparity of internal naming for patrons in particular, it's not like you have a single example to point to maintain consistency with |
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gmcharlt |
consequently, using "patron" in the class name is fine with me |
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drojf |
or you could come up with yet another naming for patrons |
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khall |
gmcharlt: thanks! |
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eythian |
"Personages" |
| 15:36 |
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drojf |
one we have not covered |
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gmcharlt |
well, let's not do what drojf suggests ;) |
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khall |
to nitpick even further: Koha::PatronLists vs Koha::Patron::Lists? |
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gmcharlt |
khall: more the former; the latter kinda implies that lists are an attribute of a patron, which isn't the case |
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khall |
drojf: I suppose we could use Loanees ; ) |
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khall |
gmcharlt: agreed. Thanks for the input! |
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drojf |
khall: oh that's fantastic |
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gmcharlt |
another option might be Koha::Container::Patron, or Koha::List::Patron (to go along with a putative Koha::List::Biblio) |
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eythian |
K::L::P makes more sense to me |
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eythian |
assuming it's more of a list focus than a patron focus |
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khall |
yeah, I really like the idea of Koha::List::Patron |
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kf |
i wonder if sticking with the database names might be good |
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kf |
patrons is only english.... varies in translation and who knows |
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kf |
maybe in some years we decide to call them customers |
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kf |
guests... loaneess... |
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kf |
:) |
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eythian |
kf: it's only in some English, too |
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kf |
yeah |
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kf |
and i think we have a majority for borrowers still in the dtabase |
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gaetan_B |
bye! |
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kf |
and probably the template variables/scripts? |
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kf |
khall: ping :) |
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gmcharlt |
kf: indeed |
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gmcharlt |
"patron" is very common in US (and I believe) Canada |
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gmcharlt |
whereas "member" doesn't really fit the vast majority of USian libraries -- there are very, very few libraries where getting a library card somehow gives you membership in the organization |
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kf |
there are various words in german too |
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kf |
Benutzer, Entleiher, Ausleiher, Kunden... |
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gmcharlt |
"borrower" is reasonably common and understood, but less commonly used |
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kf |
i thik we have more members and borrowers in the codebase currently, but that's only a feeling |
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drojf |
i think "kunden" is horrible in a library context |
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gmcharlt |
as a point of information, in many contexts, Evergreen calls the equivalent "user" (or "actor.usr") records |
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kf |
member because i think that's what most scripts do |
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kf |
and borrowers in the database |
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* drojf |
heads home |
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kf |
so i tend more in that direction but i am happy with whatever :) |
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* gmcharlt |
starts laughing uncontrollably |
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gmcharlt |
I started taking a look at what syspref names were doing |
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kf |
lol |
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kf |
you shouldn't do that |
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gmcharlt |
and came across this: PatronSelfRegistrationBorrowerMandatoryField |
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kf |
I protested about that |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
it's on the bug! |
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kf |
heh |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: patron sounds quite weird in NZ english. |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: yeah, I can see that; occassionally a USian will ask "since when does a public library get contributions from the nobility?" |
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kf |
hm how can i see if something is deleted as a cascade in mysql workbench... does someone know? |
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kf |
on cascade |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: yes, that's my first definition too. |
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jcamins |
kf: show create table |
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kf |
hm i will try that :) |
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kf |
hm i did try for borrowers |
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kf |
and i see nothing |
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kf |
is there nothing or is it me? |
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kf |
i was wondering about reviews, ratings, borrower_attributes etc |
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eythian |
the cascade appears on the side that would be cascaded to |
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eythian |
compare biblio->biblioitems->items |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1299: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1299/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Chris Hall: bug 10356: improve display of serial issue dates in staff bib details page |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , adding date published to catalogue detail page |
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kf |
eythian: thx |
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kf |
sorry, dumb wednesday i think |
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kf |
we do cascade for ratings :) |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
we don't for search_history |
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kf |
interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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oleonard |
Be careful to attribute to design what is more likely due to forgetfulness or laziness. |
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kf |
oleonard: totally true |
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kf |
i am pondering filing a bug for that |
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gmcharlt |
about that -- if we add a FK constraint, do we want it to casacde on delete or set null? |
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eythian |
it depends totally on what it is |
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gmcharlt |
the latter would have the effect of anonymous the search history of a deleted patron, while still leaving it available for the library to data-mine |
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eythian |
If that's a meaningful thing to do (which for search I'd say it is) then I'd say just set null |
| 16:24 |
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eythian |
or you might even not have an FK at all |
| 16:24 |
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gmcharlt |
which is the status quo |
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eythian |
right, if it's useful to know that they were separate borrowers, even if you don't know who they are, then not havin gthe FK might be the best way. |
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kf |
i think you could argue either way |
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jcamins |
Hmm. If I always buy the cheap soba noodles, does that mean I'm making copy pasta for lunch? |
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kf |
anonymizing should take those table into accounts i think |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
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eythian |
or maybe you want to link them up to deleted_borrowers (is that a thing?) |
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kf |
i will have to come up with sql to delete patron data according to our privacy documentation... and it's all over the place |
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kf |
the patron data. |
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eythian |
that's the nature of normal forms :) |
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kf |
jcamins: lol |
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kf |
eythian: yeah yeah... i know |
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gmcharlt |
liw++ # http://blog.liw.fi/posts/married/ |
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kf |
liw++ :) |
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kf |
bye all |
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mtompset |
Oooo... gmcharlt you gave me another idea. |
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* gmcharlt |
cowers |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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mtompset |
well, first to test a DBIx run. |
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* druthb |
runs and hides |
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mtompset |
second... why limit 1 if where false works. |
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* mtompset |
really appreciates the feedback and ideas the Koha community generates. :) |
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* mtompset |
throws skittles at druthb while druthb runs away. :P |
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druthb |
! |
| 17:21 |
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mtompset |
For the one time you randomly threw them at me. :P |
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mtompset |
SWEET! |
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druthb |
I've only chucked Skittles at you once? |
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mtompset |
Thankfully, yes. |
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* druthb |
must remember to do that more often. |
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mtompset |
That would be a strange way to show friendship. :P |
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pianohacker |
I like skittles |
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mtompset |
SWEET! The "WHERE 1=0" works! |
| 17:23 |
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mtompset |
and it is obviously faster than the LIMIT 1. :) |
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gmcharlt |
Skittles for EVERYBODY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh-IsQ6XCyg |
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mtompset |
and WHERE 1=0 is ANSI SQL! |
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mtompset |
YAY! no extra function call or if's. |
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mtompset |
"What if this rainbow doesn't exist?" -- http://youtu.be/QUmXhCmVaQg |
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pianohacker |
hey #koha, bibliographic format bikeshedding time, if you're interested |
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pianohacker |
working on an SRU proxy for ebook providers, and I'm currently using dublin core (plus a namespaced extension for koha-specific stuff) as a simple generic metadata format |
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pianohacker |
any objections, better ideas? |
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pianohacker |
jcamins, gmcharlt: would be especially interested in your input |
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jcamins |
No objection from me. |
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jcamins |
I'm not particularly pro-DC, but in this case you're presumably not getting anything richer than ONIX, so it would seem to make sense, and MODS would be a lot more overhead. |
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pianohacker |
okay. dublin core isn't perfect, very limited set of information, so any more comprehensive alternatives that aren't as complex as MARC would be welcomed :) |
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jcamins |
Well, MODS is at least moderately more sensible. |
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jcamins |
Or you could leapfrog the competition! |
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jcamins |
bibframe? |
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wahanui |
https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfr[…]03089_animate.gif |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: as a least-common-denominator, it's possible that DC may be the best that you could do, though MODS might be better if the underlying data can support it |
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gmcharlt |
on a broader note, though -- I think a bit more visibility is warranted for this sort of discussion -- i.e., koha-devel |
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pianohacker |
hrm, yeah. I'll send out a note |
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gmcharlt |
as snap judgments in IRC may not yield the best answers |
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pianohacker |
I don't know if I can make MODS work in this context, as the underlying JSON is... bare-bones |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: DC can be converted to MODS. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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jcamins |
It'd just be kind of pitiful MODS. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Do you know of any pitiful-MODS examples? :) MODS is not an easy thing to google... |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I'd just convert a DC record to a MODS record. |
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pianohacker |
fair enough. thanks |
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pianohacker |
I'd love it endlessly if some kind of standard format came back from these, but my expectations of technical competence from ebook vendors have gone down _drastically_ in the past month or two |
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mtompset |
greetings, cait pianohacker. :) |
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pianohacker |
hey mtompset |
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wahanui |
mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
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gmcharlt |
one of the reasons why I giggle when library folks talk about ONIX in terms that make it sound like publishers never mess it up |
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mtompset |
Again not so true. More like happy due to pure ANSI SQL goodness. :) |
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pianohacker |
oh wow. ONIX is interesting but seems to have even more overhead than ONIX... |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: recursive data formats generally are ;-P |
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pianohacker |
... |
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pianohacker |
wtf did I just type |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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pianohacker |
*more overhead than MODS |
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pianohacker |
this feels like a describe-everything-ever syntax that would be _incredibly_ painful to work with in practice |
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* mtompset |
is frustrated by DBIx. |
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mtompset |
Back to what I should be working on. |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: apropos of nothing, do I recall hearing that you were going to be revisiting your Connexion-esque MARC editor interface? |
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pianohacker |
yes! that's my next project, currently waiting on client feedback before I get started |
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pianohacker |
can't wait, have wanted to make it a full, powerful editor for years now |
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pianohacker |
won't have as interesting a data model as biblionarrator, but should be much better than koha's current marc editor |
| 19:32 |
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pianohacker |
it even has a top secret codename, it has to be good |
| 19:32 |
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jcamins |
Well, given that you can't jetison MARC, you're kind of limited in the creativity of data structures. |
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jcamins |
*jettison? |
| 19:32 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, two 't's. |
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cait |
ooh super secret name? |
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jcamins |
Operation Stop Librarian Teeth Gnashing is GO GO GO! |
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pianohacker |
hahahah yeah |
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pianohacker |
you should listen to nengard describe the current interface |
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jcamins |
I daresay she's probably someone more diplomatic and polite than I am. ;) |
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pianohacker |
she really hates it about as much as you can without insulting someone's mother |
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* jcamins |
crosses that line. |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
our libraries are mostly not using it |
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cait |
becuse noone here actually catalogs marc :P |
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oleonard |
The interface has not changed significantly since it was introduced over 10 years ago. |
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oleonard |
People have loved to hate it pretty much all that time. |
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cait |
pianohacker: i should explain they use the software from the union catalog for cataloguing and then we sync |
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cait |
pianohacker: but i'd love to keep a simple form based interface for fast adds etc. |
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cait |
oleonard++ :) |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: Yeah, pretty much |
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pianohacker |
cait: Yeah, the current plan, to my knowledge, is to have the interface choice selectable by user |
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oleonard |
The fact that it hasn't been updated is testimony, I assume, to the difficulty of the task? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: and the tragedy of the commons. |
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jcamins |
Which reminds me. |
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jcamins |
My music stopped. |
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cait |
pianohacker: that sounds good - but maybe even make it possible to switch? |
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cait |
pick a stanard, but make it possible to switch |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: I'd say so. My hacked-together text MARC editor was a hell of an effort, and that didn't support authorities, broken-out fixed fields, any number of things... |
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pianohacker |
cait: yeah, most likely. Not sure how much the client wants, but I'll try to make it easy to expand that later if needed |
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cait |
k |
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cait |
maybe ask them about fas cataloguing ;) |
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cait |
:) |
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pianohacker |
worth a shot. what is the union cataloging interface you mentioned like? |
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cait |
hm tht is text based, but not marc |
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cait |
some internal format, using four number codes for fields and subfields like marc |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
i think opinions about it vary too :) |
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cait |
probably not possible to build a cataloguing interface everyone likes |
| 19:53 |
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jcamins |
You know what'd be really cool? Some sort of coherent editor API so that people could add their own. |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
:) |
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* jcamins |
can think of... |
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jcamins |
zero... |
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jcamins |
librarians who would take advantage of it. |
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jcamins |
But it'd be cool. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: We're halfway there, with the scripts in /svc/ |
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pianohacker |
Really we just need something to dump framework information and we're there |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: and something to handle items. |
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pianohacker |
ah, true |
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jcamins |
I didn't think that the /svc/ scripts coped with items. |
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rangi |
we extended it to do that im pretty sure |
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rangi |
slef and papa did |
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jcamins |
Oh, cool. |
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jcamins |
I must've missed that. |
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jcamins |
I had looked at the /svc/ API for my cataloging interface, and I'm pretty sure I ultimately decided to just not use items. |
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rangi |
bug 7729 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, CLOSED FIXED, svc API should allow modification of items |
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rangi |
thats the one |
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rangi |
?items=1 |
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jcamins |
Very nice. |
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cait |
good morning kathryn :) |
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kathryn |
ah you beat me to it, hi cait :) |
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cait |
:) |
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kathryn |
and hello all :) |
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cait |
@wunder konstanz |
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cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.2°C (10:45 PM CEST on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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rambutan |
@wunder 64507 |
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rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 32.9°C (4:20 PM CDT on July 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
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wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). |
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pianohacker |
hey wizzyrea |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
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wizzyrea |
hi pianohacker :) |
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mtompset |
svc? Did someone say svc scripts? |
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mtompset |
pianohacker: What are you doing with svc scripts? :) |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: ah, we were talking about whether you could make an external MARC editor with them |
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pianohacker |
consensus was you could. I think all that could be missing is frameworks |
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mtompset |
That would be a cool idea! |
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pianohacker |
yup. The MARC editor I'm going to be working on soonish will be more integrated than that, but it is a cool idea |
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mtompset |
If I'm in C4::Items.pm, can I get the user id using C4::Context? |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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dcook |
morning #koha |
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pianohacker |
hey dcook |
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dcook |
hey pianohacker |
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wahanui |
I HATE XML |
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dcook |
lol |
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pianohacker |
yup yup |
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pianohacker |
he speaks the truth |
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pianohacker |
how's it going, dcook? |
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dcook |
Mmm, not too bad. Reading about OOP, hopefully renewing a lease, and looking at XSLT in a moment :p |
| 23:25 |
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dcook |
How about you? |
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mtompset |
hey pianohacker?! |
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wahanui |
I HATE XML |
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mtompset |
Why did you program wahanui to say that, pianohacker? |
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pianohacker |
because I hate XML :) (it is of course more nuanced than that, but wahanui isn't good at nuance) |
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pianohacker |
and with that, I'm gonna skedaddle |
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pianohacker |
bye all |
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dcook |
see ya pianohacker |
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mtompset |
bye? But you left me hanging. :P |
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mtompset |
What's the nuance? :P |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: ask me again tomorrow :) It's also in the logs somewhere |
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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook. :) |
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wizzyrea |
the superlibrarian really ought to be able to edit all lists regardless of owner. |
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wizzyrea |
edit/delete |
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wizzyrea |
there may be a bug about that somewhere. |
| 23:28 |
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wizzyrea |
but I just felt the need to rant. |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: I couldn't agree more. |
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dcook |
I think I've had that same rant. |
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dcook |
hey, mtompset :) |
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wizzyrea |
and even better, apparently there was a bug at some point that set the owners to NULL, so there are lists existent that cannot be edited by anyone?! |
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mtompset |
woo hoo! |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
That was a sarcastic woo hoo. ;) |
| 23:34 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I think that bug is still alive and well in 3.8.0 |
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dcook |
I recently had to change the owner of a list in the DB because the owner had been deleted and thus the owner nullified |
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wizzyrea |
oh that must be what happened here |
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dcook |
I'd sign off a patch that made superlibrarians overlords of lists |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
bug 9833 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9833 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Failed QA , New virtual shelves/lists permissions |
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dcook |
I suppose if there were a "manage_shelves" permission...the default would be for the superlibrarian to have that permission (or not need it) |
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wizzyrea |
oh it's in fail qa that doesn't seem right |
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dcook |
That is a bit confusing...I can't tell if Marcel passed or failed it based on the comments.. |
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dcook |
Although it does look like he's asking for some changes? |
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wizzyrea |
then he attached a patch... |
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dcook |
Yeah, I'm confused by that |
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wizzyrea |
but it looks like it's the same? |
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* wizzyrea |
looks more |
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dcook |
I think it might be the same, but I'm not sure |
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