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dcook |
http://www.cafekoha.com/ |
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dcook |
Seems like they have capitalization issues too |
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dcook |
https://www.facebook.com/pages[…]Cafe/323847370751 |
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dcook |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/koha |
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dcook |
I might be doing a Google search for Koha and filtering out the main Koha ILS sites...:p |
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rangi |
:) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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dac |
morning cait |
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dac |
@wunder konstanz |
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cait |
morning dac |
| 05:18 |
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huginn |
dac: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
heh thx |
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dac |
@wunder sydney, australia |
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huginn |
dac: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 14.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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dac |
That weather of yours is so bizarre |
| 05:18 |
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cait |
is it? |
| 05:18 |
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dcook |
Weren't you having days that were 18 degrees at this same time? |
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cait |
22 i think |
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cait |
yeah it has cooled down quite a bit |
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eythian |
hello cait |
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wahanui |
hello cait are you here? |
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eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait eythian druthb. |
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cait |
hi mtompset |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset! :) |
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mtompset |
I really should get some sleep. :) |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :) |
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* druthb |
should probably go to bed, but having had a nap earlier, probably would not sleep much |
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cait |
druthb? |
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wahanui |
Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 06:08 |
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cait |
hm. she finally went to bed that is :) |
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magnuse |
kia ora #koha! |
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magnuse |
eythian: still around? |
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cait |
kia ora magnuse |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
que tal, reiveune |
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kf |
Hi again #koha |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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magnuse |
bonjour! |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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kf |
hi christophe_c :) |
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christophe_c |
bonjour kf ;-) |
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christophe_c |
hello magnuse, yes not so hot in Marseille, but blue sky ..;-) |
| 07:26 |
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kf |
blue sky here too and fresh air after the rain |
| 07:27 |
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magnuse |
beautiful night here last night: sun, absolutely no wind, warm... until some fog drifted in around midnight. today is grey, though |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
bidet, gaetan_B |
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* dcook |
thinks his toes migiht be made of ice |
| 07:40 |
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dcook |
@wunder sydney, australia |
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huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (5:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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dcook |
I swear huginn's lying. |
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wizzyrea |
toes made of ice at 14. You are funny. |
| 07:40 |
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dcook |
Or maybe I secretly work in a freezer... |
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dcook |
I think it's actually warmer outside |
| 07:41 |
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dcook |
-30 at Christmas felt warmer than this |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:40 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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dcook |
Well...maybe not quite |
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kf |
hi wizzyrea |
| 07:41 |
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kf |
dcook: i think the weather is quite nice :) |
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kf |
but my coworkers disagree |
| 07:42 |
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dcook |
Maybe I should reserve my complaining until my appendages start actually falling off |
| 07:42 |
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dcook |
Actually, at the moment, I think it's time for cheap food and bad movies |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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* wizzyrea |
nods |
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wizzyrea |
it's chillyish |
| 07:43 |
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wizzyrea |
hi kf |
| 07:43 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
@wunder david's office |
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huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Coldwater, Michigan is 19.0°C (3:35 AM EDT on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
... |
| 07:43 |
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dcook |
I... |
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magnuse |
lol |
| 07:44 |
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dcook |
I think I might just quit while I'm ahead |
| 07:44 |
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dcook |
Have a good evening/night/morning/afternoon, everyone :) |
| 07:49 |
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magnuse |
so when the wmu.se people talk about "live availability and location lookups performed asynchronously through the koha-restful api", does that mean they use the rest code from biblibre? ( http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=summary ) |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
perhaps |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
you'd have to ask them |
| 07:51 |
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magnuse |
yup |
| 07:52 |
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magnuse |
but is there anything restful in koha today for querying item availability? |
| 07:52 |
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rangi |
not truly restful no |
| 07:53 |
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rangi |
you could do it with the ils-di |
| 07:53 |
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rangi |
but its not really restful |
| 07:53 |
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rangi |
however people say restful a lot, when they just mean a web based api |
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magnuse |
yup |
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magnuse |
and yes, there is the GetAvailability call in ILS-DI, nice |
| 08:02 |
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jajm |
magnuse, if you really need to get availability in a restful way, feel free to add this feature to koha-restful ;) it's also on github https://github.com/clrh/koha-restful (but maybe not up-to-date) |
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magnuse |
jajm: i don't need it at the moment, i'm just curious :-) |
| 08:05 |
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magnuse |
jajm: does that mean koha-restful does not support availability at the moment? |
| 08:08 |
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jajm |
magnuse, no it doesn't. you can look at the API in Koha::REST::Dispatch (http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]patch.pm;hb=HEAD) |
| 08:09 |
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magnuse |
ah, thanks |
| 08:09 |
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magnuse |
anyway, i sent a couple questions to the wmu.se people on the list, hope they'll answer :-) |
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rangi |
magnuse: |
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rangi |
self check? |
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wahanui |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 |
| 08:42 |
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magnuse |
lol |
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kf |
magnuse: that's what I meant yesterday :) |
| 08:44 |
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magnuse |
ah |
| 09:06 |
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magnuse |
wow, books with two barcodes |
| 09:06 |
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magnuse |
@quote get 123 |
| 09:06 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 09:06 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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rangi |
2 barcodes is pretty special |
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magnuse |
hm, something weird with the 942$2 field in the cataloguing screen in marc21? |
| 09:23 |
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wizzyrea |
define weird |
| 09:24 |
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magnuse |
when i look at the marc view there is no 942 tag at all, but when i go to edit the record it shows "ddc" as selected for 942$2 |
| 09:24 |
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magnuse |
(it's MARC, so it's weird by definition, i know...) |
| 09:25 |
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magnuse |
s/no 942 tag/no 942 tag in the records i'm looking at/ |
| 09:25 |
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magnuse |
i think it should display the first, empty option when the record has no info in 942 |
| 09:26 |
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magnuse |
the way it seems to work now, 942$2 = ddc will be added to all records i edit, unless i remember to go to the 9 tab and choose the empty option |
| 09:32 |
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gaetan_B |
anyone knowledgeable with SIP around here ? |
| 09:32 |
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gaetan_B |
i just learnt you can create a new item through this protocol |
| 09:32 |
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gaetan_B |
i have no idea how koha would behave in this case or if this is supported at all actually |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
magnuse: system preference |
| 09:33 |
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wahanui |
system preference is probably ReservesMaxPickUpDelay |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
magnuse: look for classification in the system preferences - we just changed that in one of our installations like 5 min ago :) |
| 09:34 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: i think not supported |
| 09:34 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: it sounds a bit strange too actually - what's the use case? |
| 09:34 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: koha has other ways you can add items, via the restful api I think |
| 09:34 |
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wizzyrea |
I don't know of any koha library adding items that way |
| 09:34 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 09:34 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 09:34 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 09:35 |
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rangi |
gaetan_B: its an extension, not part of the standard spec |
| 09:35 |
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gaetan_B |
ok thanks, we won't use it then |
| 09:35 |
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rangi |
however it is part of standard ncip |
| 09:36 |
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gaetan_B |
kf: in this case someone would be in charge of putting the tags on the books, they would then be created in the system, after that, the person in charge of the cataloguing would just look up the correct tag, find the item and edit its metadata in the software |
| 09:37 |
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wizzyrea |
that sounds like extra work |
| 09:37 |
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magnuse |
kf: DefaultClassificationSource - thanks! |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: hm have never heard of doing it that way |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
I think here they either convert (have already a barcode that is then written on the tag) or they work with the ILS |
| 09:38 |
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gaetan_B |
me neither, also you would end up creating a lot of empty bibliographic records for data that you might already have |
| 09:39 |
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kf |
and how would sip know which record to attach the item to? |
| 09:39 |
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kf |
doesn't sound like a big win to me |
| 09:39 |
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gaetan_B |
exactly it doesn't |
| 09:39 |
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gaetan_B |
to me neither |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
the problem with SIP2 |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
is it isnt a ratified standard |
| 09:39 |
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wizzyrea |
you'd be better off sequencing your RFID tags, adding multiple copies |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
so you can do anything, or nothing |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
and still call it sip2 |
| 09:39 |
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wizzyrea |
then handing that off to the cataloguer |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
which is why ncip was created |
| 09:40 |
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wizzyrea |
This sheet of tags was added with numbers 1-10, they are in these books, here you go |
| 09:40 |
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wizzyrea |
sheet, roll, however they are delivered. |
| 09:41 |
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wizzyrea |
dunno seems... silly |
| 09:41 |
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magnuse |
wasn't there some library that was in a hurry to add ncip to koha? or am i confusing things? |
| 09:41 |
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wizzyrea |
this sounds like a library that was talked into some technology and now has to figure out how to make the investment worthwhile |
| 09:41 |
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rangi |
masscat |
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magnuse |
rangi: yup "We intend to have this coded and fully tested by the end of July 2013" |
| 09:49 |
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* magnuse |
wonders how that is going |
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* kf |
kinda doubts that the timeline |
| 10:05 |
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* magnuse |
keeps his fingers crossed |
| 10:06 |
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* magnuse |
goes looking for lunch |
| 10:06 |
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gaetan_B |
anyone ever had an error like "Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:" when running translate install ? |
| 10:10 |
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kf |
hm yes |
| 10:10 |
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kf |
sometiems a tempate problem, or a string weirdly translated maybe |
| 10:13 |
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gaetan_B |
the incriminated part seems to be this : |
| 10:13 |
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gaetan_B |
meh |
| 10:13 |
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gaetan_B |
can't copy and paste from vim |
| 10:17 |
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gaetan_B |
well i solved it by removing a lonely %, but i get an even more cryptic error now: "Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 126, <$fh> line 1." |
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kf |
gaetan_B: hm maybe the pref file |
| 10:40 |
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kf |
that is using yam |
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kf |
ö |
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kf |
yaml |
| 10:40 |
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gaetan_B |
well sophie_m has tried on another instance and has no error |
| 10:40 |
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gaetan_B |
so i guess the files are ok now actually |
| 10:40 |
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gaetan_B |
i think i will try installing them on their server now |
| 10:41 |
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gaetan_B |
maybe that will work better than on my local instance |
| 10:42 |
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gaetan_B |
ah |
| 10:42 |
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gaetan_B |
yes that's where the problem is coming from :) |
| 10:43 |
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gaetan_B |
alle klar now it seems |
| 10:43 |
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gaetan_B |
+s |
| 10:44 |
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gaetan_B |
kf: there's some metadata at the beginning of the po file, how important is that ? |
| 10:45 |
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gaetan_B |
also, where do you define what will show up in the link at the bottom to choose the language ? |
| 10:45 |
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gaetan_B |
right now the code we picked for the language shows up, instead of the name of the language |
| 10:45 |
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kf |
gaetan_B: that's in a database table |
| 10:46 |
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kf |
language_descriptions or similar |
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kf |
it's installed with the web installer, probably you need to add a frew lines there |
| 10:46 |
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gaetan_B |
ok i will have a look, thanks :) |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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kf |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi kf |
| 10:52 |
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drojf |
how are things in kohaland? |
| 10:53 |
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rangi |
bibframe mailing list? |
| 10:53 |
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wahanui |
https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfr[…]03089_animate.gif |
| 10:54 |
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drojf |
looks like a fun place :D |
| 10:55 |
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rangi |
that was exactly my reaction when i tried reading some of the messages |
| 10:55 |
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rangi |
we are all doooomed |
| 10:55 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 10:55 |
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wizzyrea |
and ... urgh |
| 10:57 |
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drojf |
oh, it's a new marc. LOL |
| 10:58 |
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magnuse |
never mind bibframe, take a look at https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf instead |
| 10:58 |
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drojf |
so marc could be even better? yay! :P |
| 10:59 |
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drojf |
rangi: http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bi[…]frame&T=0&P=11233 ;) |
| 11:01 |
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magnuse |
drojf: nope, MARC will never get better (at least not before it is dead and buried). but there are alternatives out there! |
| 11:07 |
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Viktor |
Hi! Just found out that our "more than one barcode" thing is odd :) |
| 11:09 |
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Viktor |
But not unique to this library. What's happened is that books have largely been sold with barcodes on the inside of the back cover. The library/libraries have then added one on the back for easy access so I think it's something that future migrations here might experience too. |
| 11:10 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
Viktor: *i* didn't say it was you ;-) |
| 11:10 |
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Viktor |
Question is if we can make barcode a repeatable field in the future while just storing in some junk field of MARC for now :) What say ye? |
| 11:11 |
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Viktor |
magnuse LOL I appreciate it :) |
| 11:11 |
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drojf |
won't most of koha implode if we had multiple barcodes? |
| 11:12 |
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khall |
rangi: any idea if we'll get the ability to attach patches with git-bz back? |
| 11:12 |
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gaetan_B |
hmm what's with the id column in language_descriptions ? schema.koha-community.org says it's linked to acquisitions somehow ? |
| 11:12 |
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Viktor |
drojf That's what I wonder. In my view multiple barcodes should be no problem at all, but I don't look in the plumbing of Koha. |
| 11:12 |
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gaetan_B |
isn't that really wrong ? |
| 11:13 |
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drojf |
khall: we can't attach patches anymore? |
| 11:13 |
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magnuse |
gaetan_B: maybe acq is using the language codes? |
| 11:13 |
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gaetan_B |
http://schema.koha-community.o[…]descriptions.html |
| 11:14 |
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gaetan_B |
this looks as if there's a confusion between basket group's ids and languages |
| 11:14 |
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khall |
drojf: I haven't been able to since rangi upgraded bugzilla over the weekend |
| 11:14 |
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khall |
and at least on other person has reported the same |
| 11:14 |
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gaetan_B |
or, the tool that generates the schema gets confused because the columns have the same name |
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drojf |
khall: oh that does not sound good. i was hoping to do a signoff or two later, i guess i will find out if it works for me |
| 11:16 |
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khall |
yeah, please let us know if it works for you or not! |
| 11:17 |
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drojf |
khall: will do |
| 11:22 |
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magnuse |
khall: do you get an error? |
| 11:23 |
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khall |
magnuse: yes, I get a lot of html from bugzilla, then: |
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khall |
Failed to attach patch to bug 10277, status=200 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10277 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add C4::Context->IsSuperLibrarian() |
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magnuse |
khall: ah, not good! does the html look like it has something to do with authentication? |
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khall |
one sec |
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khall |
http://pastebin.com/FWxUJnGQ |
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magnuse |
heh, the title of the page is "suspicious action" - could this be the nsa interfering? ;-) |
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magnuse |
It looks like you didn't come from the right page (you have no valid token for |
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magnuse |
the <em>create_attachment</em> action while processing the |
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magnuse |
'attachment.cgi' script) |
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khall |
my guess is the method git bz used for attaching has changed between the previous version and the current version. |
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khall |
so it probably means git bz needs updated before it will work again |
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khall |
either that or the api needs enabled by updating a library |
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khall |
The diff tool was disabled after the upgrade until I asked rangi to update the library it uses, then it came back |
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jcamins |
khall: did you update git-bz? |
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jcamins |
If you use the fishsoup branch in git.k-c.org, apparently it works. |
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khall |
I'll try that one, thanks! |
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khall |
jcamins: fishsoup confirmed as working! |
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nengard |
i came in at a strange time ... fishsoup? :) |
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magnuse |
nengard: lol |
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magnuse |
it's a branch in the git-bz repo on git.k-c.org |
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magnuse |
named after the website that originally published git-bz, i think |
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nengard |
okey dokey |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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nengard |
morning oleonard |
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aalex |
Hello |
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wahanui |
kai ora, aalex |
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aalex |
Where can I find a general diagram that explains the overview of the system components within Koha? |
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aalex |
Like a 1-pager PDF. |
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jcamins |
I don't think there really is one, though I would love to learn that I am wrong. |
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drojf |
what do you mean by system components? |
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aalex |
I am looking up the manual.pdf, but it is rather text-oriented. |
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aalex |
drojf, well, some kind of a high-level UML class diagram. |
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aalex |
drojf, but at this scale, one cannot see all the classes involved. |
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aalex |
drojf, so it's more about packages - in a C++-way. |
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aalex |
(or Java) |
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aalex |
Maybe there is a wiki page that list all the components? |
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jcamins |
You can check the wiki, but I've never seen aything like that. |
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jcamins |
If you produce a diagram like that, please put it on the wiki for others with similar needs. |
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aalex |
sure |
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aalex |
I usually use Dia for this kind of work. |
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jcamins |
Out of curiosity, what is your end goal with this diagram? |
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jcamins |
Perhaps there is something else already available that will help you accomplish it. |
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aalex |
Hmm, maybe this page gives me what I want: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ |
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aalex |
jcamins, oh, I just want to get a clear view of all it can do. I am getting ready for a job interview. :) |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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drojf |
but that's just the perl part. and not very diagramy |
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jcamins |
The POD is probably not going to help you understand the gestalt of the system. |
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aalex |
drojf, what are the non-perl parts? desktop applications in Java, right? |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately. |
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drojf |
aalex: there is no java |
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jcamins |
Nope, no desktop application, and nothing in Java. |
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oleonard |
Thank goodness. |
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drojf |
and no desktop application. it's webbased |
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aalex |
oh, so what other languages, then? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: amen! |
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drojf |
you will find html, css, javascript, sql… |
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aalex |
yeah, Java is kind of too much to type. |
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jcamins |
The interface is all written in Template::Toolkit, and most of the actual pages will not have POD. |
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aalex |
oh that, but that doesn't count ;-) |
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oleonard |
Did anyone figure out what's up with git-bz attachments failing? |
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drojf |
oleonard: something about eat ,ore fishsoup |
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drojf |
more |
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oleonard |
So I can't eat this sandwich for lunch? |
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drojf |
sure you can |
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aalex |
jcamins, what is POD? (sorry) |
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drojf |
just add fishsoup to it |
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drojf |
:) |
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jcamins |
aalex: Plain Old Documentation ( =perldoc) |
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jcamins |
oleonard: you need to use the git-bz from the fishsoup branch on git.k-c.org. |
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drojf |
the git-bz on git.k-c.org has a branch called fishsoup |
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jcamins |
wahanui: git bz problem is <reply> You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. |
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wahanui |
OK, jcamins. |
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jcamins |
git bz problem? |
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wahanui |
You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. |
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oleonard |
And it's called fishsoup because git + bugs = fish soup. |
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druthb |
>.< |
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drojf |
opacsuppression still only suppresses the zebra part and i can directly access the biblio if i know the number, right? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the original author is fishsoup. |
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jcamins |
drojf: I think so. |
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magnuse |
aalex: i'd say if you want to know what koha can do, the documentation is your best bet |
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drojf |
jcamins: ok. i think that should be changed… |
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magnuse |
aalex: it's organized by "functional modules", not code modules |
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drojf |
basically koha is just Search.pm with some stuff around it :P |
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jcamins |
drojf: yes, probably. |
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* druthb |
offers drojf a cookie. |
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drojf |
cookie \o/ |
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magnuse |
"it's just a database, with crazy rules" |
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druthb |
lol |
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drojf |
i guess our legal department agrees. with the opacsuppression thing, and maybe also with the cookie part |
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aalex |
magnuse, yes, I think you are right. And just checking the screenshots gives me a rather good idea on the scale of the software. |
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magnuse |
mind you, the database is kind of crazy too, at times :-) http://schema.koha-community.org/ |
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aalex |
magnuse, does it have a graphical representation of these tables? |
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aalex |
a UML database diagram |
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magnuse |
aalex: no, i don't think so |
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magnuse |
someone tried to create something like that a while back i think, but ran out of space to draw in.. |
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oleonard |
Mmm... fish soup. Reminds me of Marseille. |
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drojf |
lol magnuse |
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magnuse |
there is some stuff here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema but apart from the links to http://schema.koha-community.org/ it is partial and outdated |
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nengard |
speaking of the schema ... it was last updated in Sept 2012 ... how do we get a new version pulled out there? |
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nengard |
I know there are new tables and more documentation now |
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aalex |
magnuse, ah! thank you!! |
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jcamins |
nengard: it is a manual process apparently, so it has to wait on when rangi has enough time. |
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nengard |
k |
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nengard |
so never ever again :) hehe |
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aalex |
so, I am going for the interview. :) |
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aalex |
I might hang out on this channel more often in the few years... we'll see. |
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magnuse |
aalex: fingers cossed! |
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aalex |
hehe |
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magnuse |
MARC view in the OPAC seems to display fields in a weird order - anyone else seen that? (where weird = e.g. 000, 001, 081, 250, 100, 245, 886, 942) |
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jcamins |
magnuse: it displays them in the order they are in the record. |
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magnuse |
but when i export marcxml they are in the order i expect |
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jcamins |
I think the export reorders the fields. |
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jcamins |
I seem to recall problems with that at some point. |
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magnuse |
ah |
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drojf |
is the order supposed to be significant (from a marc standard point of view)? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
And it is not supposed to be numeric the way Koha insists on making it. |
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magnuse |
but the marcxml import has the fields in the order i expect (rising numbers) |
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jcamins |
Yes, that's why it's a problem. |
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pastebot |
"magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "record before import" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/84 |
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jcamins |
Oh, in that case, I don't know. |
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jcamins |
Sounds like that's a different bug than the one that I meant to report but never did. |
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magnuse |
that paste v.s. this: http://hylte.demo.bibkat.se/cg[…]?biblionumber=768 |
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jcamins |
There is _also_ a bug where the MARCXML export from Koha has the fields reordered in the wrong order. |
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jcamins |
(i.e. numeric) |
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jcamins |
Is that the entire file? |
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jcamins |
Because that is completely invalid MARCXML. |
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magnuse |
i don't really care about the order (life is too short... :-) but the records where i have seen the order being out of um order seem to have some other problems too, so i wonder if they are related |
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magnuse |
jcamins: nope, that is just the one record |
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jcamins |
I'm surprised the import didn't just die. |
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* jcamins |
would die, if he were a MARCXML parser. |
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magnuse |
hm, did i double paste? |
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jcamins |
Oh... maybe? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that maybe is a momentaneous error |
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jcamins |
I see two leaders, two 001s, and the end of a second record at the bottom. |
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magnuse |
this is part of the file i imported: http://paste.koha-community.org/85 |
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magnuse |
yeah, that must have been me mis-pasting |
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magnuse |
jcamins: see paste #85 |
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jcamins |
What's that 84? |
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jcamins |
(not paste 84, but the number 84 in the middle) |
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drojf |
jcamins: and you were saying you are no marcxml parser? |
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pastebot |
"magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "imported record, take 3" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 |
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magnuse |
wow, i think it's time i called it a day |
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magnuse |
the 84 is not there in the file i imported |
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jcamins |
OMG! I've been living a lie! I am not a person, I'm a MARCXML parser! |
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magnuse |
hm, that would explain a lot of things... |
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magnuse |
;-) |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
Odd. I don't see anything wrong with that record. |
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drojf |
i'm less surprised than i should be ;) |
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drojf |
wie lang urlaubt es? |
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drojf |
wrong window |
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* magnuse |
wanderen auf, um mittagessen zu maceh |
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magnuse |
s/maceh/machen/ |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010) |
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oleonard |
And now he's neither rm nor god. |
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liw |
rangi's a very nice person anyway |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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magnuse |
hear hear! |
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liw |
rangi++ |
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liw |
in fact |
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gmcharlt |
rangi++ |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kf |
rangi++ :) |
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drojf |
i put something about the fishsoup branch on the wiki, is it correct like this (haven't used it yet)? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6 |
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drojf |
someone remind me to use a small sample of biblios in my dev VM. reindexing 40k files in a virtual machine is no fun. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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slef |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
slef: Long time no chat. |
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slef |
drojf: could do with an explanation why it's needed. |
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drojf |
yay, i waited what felt like hours and now my disk was full |
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drojf |
slef: i have no idea :) |
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mtompset |
Isn't that a bad thing (tm), drojf? |
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mtompset |
(the full disk) |
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slef |
And while I'm asking, can we have openID login back on the wiki, someone (anyone) please? |
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drojf |
mtompset: kind of. also it just restarted indexing after that. i'm not sure that makes sense ;) |
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mtompset |
oooo... filling hard drive during a reindex. sounds really bad. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf kf |
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drojf |
has -z always been default for koha-rebuild-zebra? i can't get around it, i had to comment it out in the script. i think this vm is getting weirder every day |
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mtompset |
So, has anyone had time to look at bug 10454 and tell me how bad (or good) it is? :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated |
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drojf |
mtompset: do you see a comment? |
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mtompset |
Not since Galen's, no. :( |
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drojf |
then i guess you have the answer to your question :P |
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gmcharlt |
did somethign happen to break git bz? |
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pianohacker |
bz upgrade |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: known fix? |
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drojf |
gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6 |
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pianohacker |
fishsoup branch |
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wahanui |
i guess fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway. |
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pianohacker |
exactly! When wahanui isn't staring in my window at night, breathing heavily, he agrees with me and is therefore good |
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gmcharlt |
thanks |
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oleonard |
git bz problem? |
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wahanui |
You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. |
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* gmcharlt |
sends note to koha-devel |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt++ |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ |
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drojf |
so i had 12 rebuild_zebra processes running. lol |
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* drojf |
wants his mummy |
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* gmcharlt |
shivers |
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gmcharlt |
hopefully no gas masks are involved! |
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drojf |
i'm not going to tell you :D |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt has spoiled our closely-kept git-bz secrets. |
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drojf |
OMG now everybody can become a developer /o\ |
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gmcharlt |
ZOMG nothing whatsoever has changed in how we operate here! ;) |
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rural |
So we have spent a couple of work days setting up and familiarizing ourselves with Koha. It seems to fit our needs nicely. Our complements to everyone involved in the project. |
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drojf |
rural: nice :) |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
rural: where are you from? :) |
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slef |
rural: you mean you're sending urbans to everyone, or did you mean compliments? ;-) |
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drojf |
i wonder if unstaging 40k records would be less annoying if the progress bar worked |
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slef |
(I'm guessing urban is the complement of rural...) |
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rural |
We're from rural Alberta. A small Catholic school division. |
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slef |
drojf: no. It would show 90% done for all of it. |
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kf |
welcome to the community :) |
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kf |
we are quite international, so always interesting to hear where someone actually is :) |
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rural |
I actually took a stab at this a couple of years ago. It worked, but politics prevented the project from moving forward. |
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rural |
But we're having a heck of a time changing the logos. |
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drojf |
slef: maybe we could replace the progress bar then. maybe with a choice of movies to watch while waiting ;) |
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rural |
Is it correct that we have to change the settings for opacsmallimage and opacheader? |
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rural |
'cause we've done that. |
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rural |
But it doesn't go. |
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oleonard |
rural: opacsmallimage is the setting to change if you want to swap out the Koha logo |
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drojf |
i heard about this guy that does some kind of web stuff that has a blog about these things |
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rural |
At least we're in the right place then. |
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rural |
We've read a couple of blog entries on it. |
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rural |
The settings apply, but the logo doesn't change. |
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rural |
We'll keep hammering on it. |
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kf |
hm |
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oleonard |
rural: Is your OPAC online where we can see it? |
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kf |
koha 3.12 has broken umlauts in the patron search |
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kf |
ok, just a note, will file a bug later :) |
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drojf |
rural: have you cleared the cache? |
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rural |
oleanard: It might be. |
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rural |
drojf: Obvious! |
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rural |
Well... We feel dumb. |
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slef |
rural: dumb will probably like that... ;-) |
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rural |
In other news: We tried Evergreen before Koha. Fought with that for at least a week before someone recommended Koha here on IRC. |
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kf |
I thnk the logo problem is solvable :) |
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kf |
what did you enter into opacsmallimage? a complete url? |
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kf |
does the logo show up when try to access the logo from that url in your browser? |
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rural |
Our problem was that we were expecting the logo to change on the same page that we were changing the OPAC settings. |
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kf |
is the koha logo still showing? or did it vanish? |
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rural |
kf: It's all good. We just weren't looking at the page where the change was applied. |
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drojf |
happens all the time |
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kf |
oleonard: i know it's a very dark place... |
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kf |
but could yo umaybe take a look at the display problem witht he item form in acq? |
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oleonard |
Remind me what the problem is? |
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kf |
trying tor find the bug sec |
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kf |
bug 10475 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly |
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kf |
it used to work in 3.6.... but something must have changed and now shrinking the form to a usable size is not really working |
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kf |
I linked to a similar problem we had before |
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drojf |
wow that is ridiculous. it would be faster to setup a new dev VM than undoing the import of 40k records |
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drojf |
and if its not done soon i have to do it all again since i have to leave |
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jcamins |
Out of curiosity, why didn't you just delete all the records from the DB, if the VM is underpowered? |
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jcamins |
If there are only ~40k records in the database it would make more sense to reindex when you're done anyway. |
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drojf |
because there were other imports that i wanted to keep. and i did not think it would take hours |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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drojf |
but yes, i think that is an option if it won't suddenly stop within the next ~5 minutes |
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jcamins |
I'd just like to point out this is what happens if you run a VM on your Raspberry Pi. Things take a long time. :P |
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drojf |
lol |
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* druthb |
hands jcamins the "Capt. Obvious" badge. |
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drojf |
it i snot a vm on the pi ;) |
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drojf |
is not |
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drojf |
but it feels like it was |
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drojf |
if i want to do it in sql, do i simply truncate the biblio, biblioitems, items tables? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. Or do a DELETE on biblio that deletes all biblios that were added by the batch in question. |
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jcamins |
I used to do that when I was developing on a VM. |
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jcamins |
Now that I have a server, there's no need. |
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drojf |
raspberry pi server? :P |
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slef |
drojf: you snotted a vm onto the pi? Talented nose! |
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jcamins |
Real server, TYVM. |
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jcamins |
Well, VM on a real server. |
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drojf |
slef: lol no i did not |
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pianohacker |
my goodness, slef. Hi there! |
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slef |
pianohacker: ? |
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pianohacker |
it's been a while. hello |
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slef |
pianohacker: hello. It's summer here, you know. I was out visiting Spain and riding bikes silly distances. |
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slef |
well I say Spain, I mean Catalonia |
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pianohacker |
that sounds amazing |
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slef |
pianohacker: I think it's https://friends.mayfirst.org/profile/mjray if you want to stalk me more |
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pianohacker |
yay stalking! What else have you been up to? |
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drojf |
when i logged into mysql koha got so afraid that suddenly "Success: Import reversed" |
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pianohacker |
oh no here come da feds run away |
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* drojf |
heads home |
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oleonard |
kf: Bug 10475 ready for signoff |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly |
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kf |
oleonard: awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kf |
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kf |
oleonard++ |
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kf |
oleonard: what was the problem? |
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oleonard |
I don't think that particular page ever worked correctly. The template modified for Bug 7116 was a different one. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields |
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kf |
oleonard: hm, yes, but we are using this with 3.6 and it didn't show the gaps there |
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kf |
maybe something else changes |
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kf |
changed |
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oleonard |
Yes, the addition of services/itemrecorddisplay.pl |
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kf |
aah |
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kf |
yeah that would be a big something :) |
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kf |
bye all |
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pianohacker |
Does anyone know of a reliable source for whether `date` is an SQL 92 keyword? |
| 18:26 |
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pianohacker |
It's not an MS-SQL or MySQL keyword, but that's all I've confirmed |
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mtompset |
I think it may be. |
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mtompset |
http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-92.bnf.html |
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mtompset |
Hope that helps, pianohacker. :) |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: according to this page on MSDN, ODBC and SQL-92 have the same reserved keywords, and DATE is one of them: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-u[…]07(v=SQL.80).aspx |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: I found that, and it seemed handy, but thank you. I wish there was a less-thirdhand source though |
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pianohacker |
hrm. Time to find an alternative |
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pianohacker |
SQL has such a huge goddamned reserved word list that latin seems like a reasonable alternative... |
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pianohacker |
Anyone know of a good synonym for `date`, as in, the date when a calendar event occurs? |
| 18:34 |
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pianohacker |
vague, I know, but that's the context |
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jwagner |
pianohacker --EventDate? |
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pianohacker |
that's probably what I'll go with, yeah |
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pianohacker |
also, hey jwagner :) |
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druthb |
WhatDateDidItHappen? :P |
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jwagner |
hey there, how are things going? |
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pianohacker |
Good! Enjoying another summer working on Koha |
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mtompset |
juncture? occasion? |
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jwagner |
Always fun.... |
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pianohacker |
at_what_date_does_this_event_occur_singly_without_repetition_good_chap |
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jwagner |
gotta run, bye |
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mtompset |
happenstance for repeating events? ;) |
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pianohacker |
heh :) |
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pianohacker |
http://www.addedbytes.com/blog[…]php-were-british/ |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... the $VERSION in BEGIN blocks in perl code... that sets the version of the code represented by the current file? |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: yeah, for that module only |
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pianohacker |
according to the coding guidelines, though, it's not something we're worrying about as of 3.12 |
| 19:02 |
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mtompset |
Oh right. I should review those, since my patch for SAML I'm working on is bigger than my usual bug fixes. |
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mtompset |
guidelines? |
| 19:12 |
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mtompset |
coding guidelines? |
| 19:12 |
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wahanui |
coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 19:14 |
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mtompset |
oh... it would seem my temporary sample patch fails the guidelines for bug 10454... I just called it UID. I didn't call it cardnumber_sequence_id. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... Don't fully like perltidy. |
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rangi |
just as well you dont have to |
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mtompset |
Perl2: use Modern::Perl; is used instead of use strict; use warnings;? |
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rangi |
its there to be consistent not liked :) |
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mtompset |
I like, for example, wasting vertical space on my variable declarations so I can add, remove variables without affecting other lines. :) |
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rangi |
yep, but the point of coding guidelines is consistency, not perfection :) |
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rangi |
http://york23thingsblog.blogsp[…]mmons-images.html |
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rangi |
handy for presentations |
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bag |
search? |
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wahanui |
i guess search is for the patrons not the librarians |
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bag |
zebra? |
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wahanui |
somebody said zebra was a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
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cait |
rangi: cool :) |
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* rangi |
goes to take kids to school |
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druthb |
bag? |
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wahanui |
I LIKE BASEBALL |
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druthb |
lulz. |
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pianohacker |
bahahahaha |
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druthb |
wahanui: pianohacker? |
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wahanui |
i heard pianohacker was a brilliant young whooper-snapper. |
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* druthb |
keeps waiting for some grammar-nazi who doesn't speak Southern English to modify that. |
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pianohacker |
here, if we're going for defining characteristics |
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pianohacker |
forget pianohacker |
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wahanui |
pianohacker: I forgot pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
pianohacker is <reply>I HATE XML |
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pianohacker |
pianohacker? |
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wahanui |
I HATE XML |
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druthb |
druthb? |
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wahanui |
Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
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pianohacker |
yup, all's well and correct |
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mtompset |
Why do you hate XML, pianohacker? |
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pianohacker |
every technologist needs an irrational, deep-seated hatred |
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mtompset |
I'll grant you that, but why XML? |
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mtompset |
Why not be more fundamental and hate SGML? :P |
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pianohacker |
but more seriously, I see it used in far too many applications where its syntax, conceptual model and programmatic access are not only bad fits but worse fits than many other alternatives |
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mtompset |
Ah, but then you don't really hate XML, but rather the dumb bosses that only know of XML and think that is the solution to everything. :P |
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pianohacker |
XSLT, for example, is an awesome technology hampered by an incredibly clumsy syntax |
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pianohacker |
Well, yeah, but that's like saying I don't hate Ford Pintos except for the people that keep filling them with gas and letting other people crash into them |
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mtompset |
Right, in which case you actually hate the people who crash into the Pintos. :P |
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* druthb |
wonders if she has any irrational deep-seated hatreds, or has simply grown too old and tired to have the energy to hate anything. |
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pianohacker |
heh |
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pianohacker |
nah, hatred's the realm of people too young to have anything better to do |
| 20:35 |
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mtompset |
True, and hate is a very consuming emotion. |
| 20:35 |
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mtompset |
I would rather say I love flat text files over an RDBMS. :P |
| 20:36 |
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mtompset |
Than say that I hate a particular RDBMS. :) |
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bag |
alright I've tried everything I can think of… I can even search my indexes from yaz-client but I just can't get the staff-client or the opac to search my indexes |
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bag |
I'm open for any ideas at all :) |
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cait |
are there any errors when you try searching? |
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cait |
in the logs? |
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bag |
I will look in the logs again |
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bag |
weird = select * from systempreferences where variable = 'SearchEngine'; |
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bag |
Empty set (0.00 sec) |
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bag |
hmmm…. why would that be missing :) |
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cait |
i don't know |
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cait |
but it doesn't sound right |
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cait |
have you checked the syspref? |
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bag |
cait I'm saying the sys pref is not in my database :P |
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cait |
problem solved then? :) |
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bag |
we will see :D |
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rangi |
back |
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bag |
welcome back rangi |
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tcohen |
hi rango |
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tcohen |
rangi |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
i took the tiem to watch Rango after wizzy's joke |
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trea |
that movie is crazy |
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tcohen |
rangi: thanks for signing es stuff |
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rangi |
no worries |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. |
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gmcharlt |
@qutoe random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: I suck |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011) |
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gml |
hello, plz anyone could answer: after some months of operation time, what are the tables in Koha whose data size increase more fastly? |
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cait |
action_logs maybe, sessions maybe if you don't purge it using the cronjob |
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tcohen |
zebraqueue |
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wahanui |
hmmm... zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes. |
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tcohen |
and session |
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tcohen |
rangi, could yo ucheck the structure i created for the release maintainance wiki? am i missing smth? |
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tcohen |
release maintainance? |
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tcohen |
release maintenance? |
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wahanui |
i heard release maintenance was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lease_maintenance |
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gml |
cait tcohen: I'll take it in account, thx :) |
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tcohen |
was cait around? hi cait |
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rangi |
when i get a chance ill take a look |
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rangi |
gml: statistics |
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wahanui |
it has been said that statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that. |
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cait |
hey tcohen :) |
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cait |
tcohen++ |
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cait |
documentation! :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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jcamins |
This just in! Facebook recording excessive amounts of users' personal information! |
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jcamins |
Gosh that is so... unsurprising. |
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gmcharlt |
and in further news, most cats like tuna |
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rangi |
heh, has that come out again? |
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eythian |
wahanui: breaking news |
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wahanui |
eythian: i'm not following you... |
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eythian |
I feel there needs to be a factoid there, but I don't know what. |
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eythian |
wahanui: status |
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wahanui |
Since Mon May 13 00:02:56 2013, there have been 1465 modifications and 467 questions. I have been awake for 43 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 29972 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
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rangi |
oh jcamins and gmcharlt you will appreciate this one |
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rangi |
bibframe mailing list? |
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wahanui |
https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfr[…]03089_animate.gif |
| 22:57 |
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jcamins |
lol |
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gmcharlt |
rangi++ |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
question: should I avoid disclosing information on the server layout? |
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tcohen |
writing the uploading and header.html fixing step |
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rangi |
hmm? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: does it include secret e-mail addresses and unlisted phone numbers? |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I see no harm in writing it down |
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rangi |
yeah |
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tcohen |
i was asking just in case |
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rangi |
the wiki page looks good to me |
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tcohen |
i almost finished documenting the release maintenance process |
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tcohen |
(itsfar from perfect obviously) |
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tcohen |
i'm missing the gpg send-keys step, but i think is out from the scope of the document |
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jcamins |
gpg send-keys step? |
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rangi |
remind me to sign your key at kohacon |
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tcohen |
ack rangi |
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tcohen |
it took me two vacuum bottles of mate to write that docs! |
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eythian |
I don't know what that means. |
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tcohen |
how do u call that recipient you'd use to maintain water hot? |
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jcamins |
Kettle? |
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eythian |
oh. flask I guess. vacuum flask if you are being specific. |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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jcamins |
I see. |
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eythian |
I also don't know what 'mate' is :) |
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jcamins |
It's a type of tea. |
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jcamins |
I've never had it. |
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ibeardslee |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ? |
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eythian |
oh, also "thermos" which I assume was a brand name. |
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